13 dead 10 injured California bar
 

Turned on CNN and guess what another mass shooting. 13 dead 10 This one done by an ex-marine.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/08/us/th...now/index.html

The shooter

https://coedmagazine.files.wordpress...ng?w=735&h=383

Is there even a point to make these threads anymore?

Thoughts and prayers blah blah blah.

fyi: Unless he was dishonorably discharged, he is a former Marine or veteran Marine.

Nope, no point in making these threads anymore. Getting to be as common as daily shitty drivers.

Coworker just asked me on lunch if I heard about the shooting and my automatic response was which one? That's what it has come to now where I can't keep up anymore.

even worse is police aren't prepared to deal with mass shooters like this,they had to be scared as hell to know a police officer was hit and they just ended up waiting for more police force to show up...Costing more lives.

it's like the 14 dollars an hour rent a cop who stood outside the university while a shooter was active from the last mass shooting That happened couple of years ago.

That was the parkland high school shooting 9 months ago...

That guy was a full on sworn & armed deputy from the local sheriff's office.

This is getting way out of hand, it's like u read the headlines and See the persons skin color, u already know what's going

A Muslim with a gun is a terrorist

A black with a gun is a thug or one of black lives matter guys

A white guy with a gun is someone with a mental health problems

I didn't click on the article, I just read the title, saw skin color and assumed ex soldier with mental health issues

From The Beaverton: "We're sick and tired of reposting this too."

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2015/10...fpsP-GU_g1fnzM

It’s like how South Park leads off all the new episodes with a school shooting that has zero impact on the characters or the plot.

No one does anything about it and people are becoming de-sensitized to it unless it directly affects them or someone close to them.

I actually ended up watching the whole thing. You can feel just how mad this guy is

Seems like 2 years ago since there have been like 30 since then, but not the case.
The irony in Trump talking about "shithole countries" gets bigger by the minute.

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news...on/1932962002/

Telemachus Orfanos saw too much horror.

First, he survived last year's massacre at a Las Vegas country music festival, where 58 people were slain. He was also at the Borderline Bar and Grill Wednesday night, when a gunman, dressed in black, killed 12 people.

One of them was Orfanos.

"My son was in Las Vegas with a lot of his friends, and he came home. He didn't come home last night," his mother, Susan Schmidt-Orfanos, told a local TV reporter. "I don't want prayers. I don't want thoughts. I want gun control."

This got me looking

Vehicle related deaths in 2017:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ths/340012002/

Gun related deaths in 2017:

https://www.thetrace.org/rounds/gun-...increase-2017/

California has some of the strictest, if not the strictest gun control in the country.
The gun used was legally obtained in that state.

And they want more gun control. Other than an outright ban (not going to happen) which can be argued to not even work in curbing violence, gun control laws simply does not work. Perhaps these gun control laws actually harmed the people the government claimed they are protecting. Decades of increasing gun control and nothing has changed. Perhaps one should starting looking at the real causes of gun violence: mental health and family breakdown, but who has time for that.

All of these guns being legally acquired for these mass shootings is an argument for stronger gun control, not against.

Yeah because the ease of firearm acquisition has nothing to do with the problem.
There are a few fucking layers to the onion.

What laws that they don't already have In California would you suggest could have prevented this?

I don't know, I'm simply pointing out your logic is working completely backwards from the point you are trying to get at.
If people keep buying guns at the store with no issue to commit mass shootings, perhaps thats an issue.....or is it not? Should it be easier to get guns? Would that have helped? Is this happening in other developed countries with as much frequency? What do you think makes America different?

I haven't argued anything.
I haven't said anything other than California has some of the strictest gun control in the country and what would you change.

So What's your answer? Please be more specific than just "stronger gun control".

I don't know enough about Californias laws to have an answer to that, nor did I claim to.
Maybe I'm guilty of assuming you were taking an angle, that you weren't, based on your other posts.
So, is the fact someone can easily, legally acquire a gun (not necessarily in California, but America) making things easier to commit these acts?

a better licensing process would be a good start.

https://crossarmory.com/five-steps-t...firearm-in-ca/

this is a list of steps required to obtain a firearm in california.

the only testing requirement costs 50$ and when i looked it up, it was a 50ish page pdf, and supposedly has a test you have to write.

for comparison, to get a non-restricted firearms license (most small calibre rifles with a few exceptions, and pump/lever/bolt action rifles and shotguns, and some centre fire rifles) in canada requires taking an 8 hour course, writing a fairly long test, and then waiting 6-8 weeks while the RCMP reviews your file and checks your background, and calls your references.

the restricted license (all handguns, and most semi automatic centrefire rifles) is an extra couple hours i think, and an extra test on top of the NR. same background checks, though when you buy your first restricted firearm they do another set of checks i believe.

the tests for these licenses are usually rolled up into the cost of the course, i think the person i got my restricted training from carges like ... 140 for non-restricted and 180 for non-restricted and restricted.

there is a 60$ application fee for NR, 80$ if you're applying for a restricted license (which requires an NR license) i was adding restricted onto my NR license so i just paid the difference because it hadn't been long since i got my NR license.

so all-in-all you're looking at nearly 300$, and a significant time investment.

Maybe do more illegal firearms crack downs or something like that, but hey what the hell do I know right