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Former prime minister Stephen Harper says he advised Mark Carney's government to move away from the U.S.
'This really is a wake-up call for this country': former prime minister says Canada needs to diversify trade
If the current government asked him a year ago for advice on Donald Trump being reelected and wanting to renegotiate trade, he would have said: "This is a real opportunity for Canada to really deepen its economic and security partnership with the United States."
"However, when this government did actually ask me a few weeks ago ... my advice was the opposite," he told the Midwestern Legislative Conference, an annual, non-partisan event, which is being held in Saskatoon this year under the shadow of the ongoing U.S.-Canada trade war.
Harper called the trade war unfortunate, but said "this really is a wake-up call for this country to truly diversify its trade, export markets."
Canada has become "grossly" overly reliant on the U.S., "independent of the current disputes," and "there is no reason for that," he said.
"Just because we have that geographical proximity does not justify the degree of dependence that we have on a single market."
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Gee.. we needed Harper to tell them that after a decade of bullshit?
We’re in worse shape than we could have imagined.
Jesus Christ man, finally some semblance of non-adversarial bullshit “cooperate in the interests of Canada instead of ourselves” politics in this country and you just flippantly shit all over it.
Literally asking your hero for advice which seems very pragmatic to me and somehow that’s a shit move too.
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Again.. year 11 of the liberals..
They needed Harper to tell them to diversify?
The liberals plans behind closed doors was Trump not winning, that was it.
Harper literally said that one year ago he would have told them to strengthen their US partnership, which is to not diversify. I don’t like Harper, but I’m objective enough to know he is smart.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
The issue is now, you could have a blue haired trans Bernie Sanders follow up Trump, and a lot of these policies will stay.
Nothing will ever go back to the way it was. You can say whatever you want about Trump, at the end of the day a good chunk of these policies in regards to trade are in the USA’s best interest, they will never be reversed.
So that leaves Canada in their typical position, caught with their pants down, and master negotiator Carney to sort it out.
Pretty sure even PP would have been able to not make a deal/accept a trash deal on behalf of Canada.
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The issue is now, you could have a blue haired trans Bernie Sanders follow up Trump, and a lot of these policies will stay.
Nothing will ever go back to the way it was. You can say whatever you want about Trump, at the end of the day a good chunk of these policies in regards to trade are in the USA’s best interest, they will never be reversed.
So that leaves Canada in their typical position, caught with their pants down, and master negotiator Carney to sort it out.
Pretty sure even PP would have been able to not make a deal/accept a trash deal on behalf of Canada.
So we would have been in the exact same position in regards to trade, but we’d have PP blaming woke for the deal. Sounds like the better choice was still made. We will see how carney does building the economy with other partners. That’s really going to be the measure of what’s going on.
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Westopher is correct.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
but we’d have PP blaming woke for the deal. Sounds like the better choice was still made. We will see how carney does building the economy with other partners. That’s really going to be the measure of what’s going on.
The bolded part is pure conjecture. Pierre has argued that Canada & USA working together makes USMCA region competitive against the world, which is true. Trying to pivot to other trade partners will take decades.
Nothing will ever go back to the way it was. You can say whatever you want about Trump, at the end of the day a good chunk of these policies in regards to trade are in the USA’s best interest, they will never be reversed.
tariffs are generally not in the best interest of the USA, they are inflationary.
the consumer has to pay more for everything now.
the only beneficiaries are the companies that now get to jack up their prices as high as the market can bear.
sure they can hire more people now, but you're helping a small percentage of people and harming a much larger percentage.
Pierre doesn’t know fuck all about anything, lifetime government hack, if he lost his seat he literally wouldn’t know what to do with himself, would only get a job based on some insider connection offering him something in exchange for favourable connections to the gov.
100% sycophant and not even good at that, somehow lost the easiest guaranteed election win in modern history he pulled off the political equivalent of that guy from the Dallas Cowboys getting the ball smacked out of his hand while celebrating early walking untouched into the end zone lol
Pierre doesn’t know fuck all about anything, lifetime government hack, if he lost his seat he literally wouldn’t know what to do with himself, would only get a job based on some insider connection offering him something in exchange for favourable connections to the gov.
100% sycophant and not even good at that, somehow lost the easiest guaranteed election win in modern history he pulled off the political equivalent of that guy from the Dallas Cowboys getting the ball smacked out of his hand while celebrating early walking untouched into the end zone lol
I actually don't care about Pierre as he is not PM. All I care about is how Carney performs as PM. I don't really care about the outside noise. Actions vs works matter above all.
The issue is now, you could have a blue haired trans Bernie Sanders follow up Trump, and a lot of these policies will stay.
Nothing will ever go back to the way it was. You can say whatever you want about Trump, at the end of the day a good chunk of these policies in regards to trade are in the USA’s best interest, they will never be reversed.
So that leaves Canada in their typical position, caught with their pants down, and master negotiator Carney to sort it out.
Pretty sure even PP would have been able to not make a deal/accept a trash deal on behalf of Canada.
That's total nonsense. Free trade is good and tariffs are bad - that's not a left or right debate, that's common sense economics. Tariffs are an internal tax against efficient production (cheaper goods). Even the left has come around to accepting that free trade is a good thing (recall how much they pushed back against NAFTA back in the day).
Trump's economic policies are bad for Americans - they increase costs for them with no benefits. While there are some goods that they can onshore they can't "build" bananas in the US (Lutnick actually suggested this). When the US applied steel tariffs the last time around it saved some jobs in the steel industry but it cost them 10x as many jobs in industries that needed steel. Tariffs mean that American industry loses access to cheap energy and materials making them less competitive. Even worse, the trade deals they are doing are making it cheaper for other countries - the auto related deals means it's now cheaper for automakers to build cars in their native countries than in the US.
No American with basic knowledge of economics would want to support what Trump is doing on the trade front.
The solution is to import more asians. Thats why richmond is the best!
You so racist ... inspiring. Summary: Asians are hardworking, law-abiding, elder respecting bunch, but don't eff with Asians in wars and in trying to put drug dens in their hood (this part I added).
Or…. You know Markham is the temu Richmond, BRA (get it? Cuz you’re a woman… bra… for your… feet… or something)
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You so racist ... inspiring. Summary: Asians are hardworking, law-abiding, elder respecting bunch, but don't eff with Asians in wars and in trying to put drug dens in their hood (this part I added).
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That's total nonsense. Free trade is good and tariffs are bad - that's not a left or right debate, that's common sense economics. Tariffs are an internal tax against efficient production (cheaper goods). Even the left has come around to accepting that free trade is a good thing (recall how much they pushed back against NAFTA back in the day).
Trump's economic policies are bad for Americans - they increase costs for them with no benefits. While there are some goods that they can onshore they can't "build" bananas in the US (Lutnick actually suggested this). When the US applied steel tariffs the last time around it saved some jobs in the steel industry but it cost them 10x as many jobs in industries that needed steel. Tariffs mean that American industry loses access to cheap energy and materials making them less competitive. Even worse, the trade deals they are doing are making it cheaper for other countries - the auto related deals means it's now cheaper for automakers to build cars in their native countries than in the US.
No American with basic knowledge of economics would want to support what Trump is doing on the trade front.
Your hard on for Trump gets in the way of actual facts.
Biden was slapping tariffs down on Canada and other countries on top of Trump and pre-existing tariffs and you seem to never bring that up?
It’s not just spooky Trump throwing out tariffs. These exact same issues go back decades with numerous administrations.
That’s what you can do when you have all the power.
Tariffs are bad business no matter who implements them - you're preventing consumers (both retail and wholesale) from being the most competitive. I don't care who applies them.
Edit: I'm a fence sitter on retaliatory tariffs - they hurt us if we do it as much as it hurts them. I get it's a game of politics and perception though.
A lot of those older examples, the countries who did not implement retaliatory tariffs, Japan for example, the US saw their trade deficit either stay at the same level, or lower given inflation etc.
Frankly I do not understand this in depth enough to see what those net outcomes are, but it seems like they worked exactly as the US had intended in these cases.
Canadian softwood lumber has worked exactly as they expected over the last number of decades.
At some point this is all so high level, it doesn’t really matter if Joe Schmo doesn’t see a net positive out of it. They obviously enact these tariffs for reasons other than just lining their friends pockets books.
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Pierre doesn’t know fuck all about anything, lifetime government hack, if he lost his seat he literally wouldn’t know what to do with himself, would only get a job based on some insider connection offering him something in exchange for favourable connections to the gov.
100% sycophant and not even good at that, somehow lost the easiest guaranteed election win in modern history he pulled off the political equivalent of that guy from the Dallas Cowboys getting the ball smacked out of his hand while celebrating early walking untouched into the end zone lol
Little PP is 100% controlled opposition. The illusion of choice.
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Trump's economic policies are bad for Americans - they increase costs for them with no benefits.
Does it?
Bro, I love how you didn't quantify anything in your post at all.
A 25% tariff will decrease US GDP by less than 1%, meanwhile, it will decrease Canada's GDP by 3.8% and 5.6% if with dollar-for-dollar retaliation occurs. The impact in the US is much less than you make it out to be.
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