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Not sure why this isn't raising alarm bells .. sounds like that Richmond deal/agreement except it covers practically all of Vancouver! Badhobz was right ... all those land acknowledgments is finally coming home to roost.
Government of Canada's landmark agreement recognizes Musqueam First Nation's Aboriginal title in Metro Vancouver
The full details and terms of the agreements are not immediately known as they have not been made public, but this “Rights Recognition Agreement” is by far the most consequential, as it “recognizes that Musqueam has Aboriginal rights including title within their traditional territory and establishes a framework for incremental implementation of rights and nation-to-nation relations with Canada.”
Your ruthless colonial ancestors would be appalled at how you’re squandering away all your ill gotten possessions just to have a slight morality boost. Fuck that shit
I think the confusion is causing all kinds of issues in Cowichan land rights & Richmond. Rightly or wrongly, no one knows exactly what this aboriginal land rights mean. So owners in that swath of land are trying to sell are up the creek cuz people are scared to buy and what that implies. Story of another who couldn't borrow against the property because everything is up in the air.
Not sure why this isn't raising alarm bells .. sounds like that Richmond deal/agreement except it covers practically all of Vancouver! Badhobz was right ... all those land acknowledgments is finally coming home to roost.
Government of Canada's landmark agreement recognizes Musqueam First Nation's Aboriginal title in Metro Vancouver
The full details and terms of the agreements are not immediately known as they have not been made public, but this “Rights Recognition Agreement” is by far the most consequential, as it “recognizes that Musqueam has Aboriginal rights including title within their traditional territory and establishes a framework for incremental implementation of rights and nation-to-nation relations with Canada.”
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Sparrow says under his leadership, the Musqueam are taking a different approach outside of the courts. In a statement issued in December 2025 addressing growing public concern over the implications of the Cowichan Tribes decision, Sparrow said the Nation’s long-standing strategy has been to prioritize negotiations with governments — rather than litigation — when seeking the transfer of government-owned public lands within areas it considers part of its traditional territory. He added that Musqueam is not pursuing private property through these agreements.
“Musqueam is not coming for anyone’s private property,” said Sparrow in December 2025. “Our approach to traditional unceded territory is one of partnership and relationship with our neighbours, not trying to take away our neighbours’ private property.”
...at least, they're not trying to take your home?
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Yah but it is causing a lot of confusion for those affected in the Cowichan/Richmond agreement which was announced first. Both for seller and for potential buyer. Even though it says in black and white that it doesn't affect private home title ownership, there are lots of other 'what ifs' and unknowns. Like what if First Nations decide to build a casino in that Cowichan/Richmond swath of land somewhere?
Not worried, if they want, they'll take Badhobz home first.
Yah but it is causing a lot of confusion for those affected in the Cowichan/Richmond agreement which was announced first. Both for seller and for potential buyer. Even though it says in black and white that it doesn't affect private home title ownership, there are lots of other 'what ifs' and unknowns. Like what if First Nations decide to build a casino in that Cowichan/Richmond swath of land somewhere?
Not worried, if they want, they'll take Badhobz home first.
Even the Cowichan have said many times they weren't asking for any private land in their lawsuit and as far I can tell the First Nations have universally acknowledged there's no going back when it comes to private land and that their dispute will be about reclaiming gov't land (as it has been for the last 40-50 years).
Could they change their minds? Yes, they're entitled to do so but they seem to know (as the courts have even said so) that it'd be a really bad game to play if they tried and they'd lose a lot of support if they did (like what happened with the Cowichan case). I suppose there could be an explicit agreement saying this but that'd give away a lot of their leverage with the govt. The best and most realistic bet is continued negotiations of land that goes piece by piece - the easy stuff is rural areas, the tough stuff is the urban stuff which is really lucrative for them.
if they didnt want private land then what the fuck is all this for? i dont believe for a second these entitled, freeloading fucks aren't out for land and $$. They already have a huge leg up on any other Canadian with all the subsidies they get and the whole tax free thing while working on their own land bs.
Even the Cowichan have said many times they weren't asking for any private land in their lawsuit and as far I can tell the First Nations have universally acknowledged there's no going back when it comes to private land and that their dispute will be about reclaiming gov't land (as it has been for the last 40-50 years).
Could they change their minds? Yes, they're entitled to do so but they seem to know (as the courts have even said so) that it'd be a really bad game to play if they tried and they'd lose a lot of support if they did (like what happened with the Cowichan case). I suppose there could be an explicit agreement saying this but that'd give away a lot of their leverage with the govt. The best and most realistic bet is continued negotiations of land that goes piece by piece - the easy stuff is rural areas, the tough stuff is the urban stuff which is really lucrative for them.
I really think this is much ado about nothing.
When it comes to legal things, one group 'saying' that they won't ask for something doesn't hold a lot of water in the courts or legal system. It is what is written explicitly and even then, interpreted by judges if it goes to court. Say, this gen of Cowichan leaders who negotiated this agreement sincerely and truly 'say' they are not after simple private ownership, what if the next generation of Cowichan peoples become greedy and suddenly want to explore this simple private ownership loophole (that isn't explicitly stated in the agreement at the moment)?
Ultimate test ... would you buy a house or property for investment in the Cowichan/Richmond area now?
To think that there are NO concerns about this is a bit naive, honestly. I mean, at least go back to the agreement and put it in writing explicitly that with this treaty agreement, the Cowichan tribe cannot take possession over simple private ownership homes and land and this agreement only affect government owned rural areas.
When it comes to legal things, one group 'saying' that they won't ask for something doesn't hold a lot of water in the courts or legal system. It is what is written explicitly and even then, interpreted by judges if it goes to court. Say, this gen of Cowichan leaders who negotiated this agreement sincerely and truly 'say' they are not after simple private ownership, what if the next generation of Cowichan peoples become greedy and suddenly want to explore this simple private ownership loophole (that isn't explicitly stated in the agreement at the moment)?
Ultimate test ... would you buy a house or property for investment in the Cowichan/Richmond area now?
To think that there are NO concerns about this is a bit naive, honestly. I mean, at least go back to the agreement and put it in writing explicitly that with this treaty agreement, the Cowichan tribe cannot take possession over simple private ownership homes and land and this agreement only affect government owned rural areas.
But this is true for practically all of BC because "we" never negotiated the purchase of BC from the First Nations like we did in other parts of the country - "we" broke our own laws at the time. We live on unceded land that belongs to the First Nations and this has never been in dispute - the Cowichan case merely shines a bright light on this truth. This should not be a surprise for anyone - those land acknowledgments some like to mock are real reminders to whose land this is.
It would be stupid for the First Nations to explicitly cede their rights to our land prior to reaching agreements with the government - that would be bad negotiating on their side. At the same time we've got a few decades of treaty negotiations that show they aren't seeking private property from the gov't - this doesn't mean they couldn't change course but all evidence says they don't want it and have given up on being able to win that in a meaningful way (eg. it wouldn't get tied up for decades in the courts) - they'd rather just negotiate for public lands so they can go make some money off that (like the Musqueam are with the Senakw project which is projected to make them $20B).
Claiming private property rights is just a backstop negotiating tactic - it's the equivalent of countries with nuclear weapons threatening one another. They have to have this option but no one would seriously consider it (other than maybe Trump).
if they didnt want private land then what the fuck is all this for? i dont believe for a second these entitled, freeloading fucks aren't out for land and $$. They already have a huge leg up on any other Canadian with all the subsidies they get and the whole tax free thing while working on their own land bs.
Totally agree. If they truly want to ensure the public that they are not going after private land, make an amendment to the agreement and show that you meant what you say. Talk is cheap.
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I tell her that in the last election, someone asked all the candidates and posted their answers online and will do it again.
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I was the guy who asked all the candidates last election and will do it again.
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