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One of us really isn't understanding it properly, that's for sure. It's either a racist attack on white people, or trying to reason with people who otherwise never had to think of this stuff before... I guess it's not for me to say which of us is right. |
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If the link doesn't work a guy is using a hammer to break bricks loose, protestors grab him, get the hammer away from him and haul him over to the police. edit: here's a tweet of it, maybe this will embed? |
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Black perpetrators committed 24% of all hate crimes, while making up only 12% of the population. https://www.city-journal.org/democra...s-racism-crime |
A simple cartoon with some humour to explain how it feels when people say "all lives matter" https://chainsawsuit.com/wp-content/...ousesredux.png |
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This goes back to what you said in a previous post about white people should ‘revoke their white privilege’ or whatever. Something almost impossible to quantify. Want me to quit my lower middle class super generic grocery store job? Give up my right to universal health care that *every Canadian has a right to*? Or just be normal and not vote for racists Edit: definitely not trying to get in an argument, I hate forums for shit like this and would rather sit down and have a coffee together. Just trying to understand exactly what you mean. Do you intend to suggest to whites in Canada (let’s say me in the GVRD) to literally give up our write privilege, or just be critical thinkers and do what we can to level the playing field (elect people in power we think have good judgement, teach our children to be fair and equal, etc) |
^This. I'm very much open to having a face-to-face discussion with someone such as Honda, or Welfare who seem to not understand the situation here. There is some obvious trolling going on in this thread, and if anything here we are arguing about the very obvious. Trevor Noah said it very eloquently in a recent post, and I've described this situation the same way. If you're having an issue with the rioting and destruction, the reality is society is in fact a contract, we in society agree to be civil with one another, taking into account that society is just for all. The problem here is the people who are rioting, that are fed up, understand that this "contract" we call society is not being upheld by those in power. It is convenient for you to say "this isn't the way to protest", well what is then? There is no "right" way to protest. How can you have an affinity for a community that does not grant you the same rights that it does others outside of your race? If society at large refuses to uphold the civil liberties and respect that it does for others of a different skin tone, there is no reason to follow that society's rules, as it is not serving all people equally. Hence the violence, and hence these protests. What you are seeing is the personification of pure outrage, people are tired of this daily assault on basic human rights, and a society that has ignored this problem for far too long, if that results in some "looting" and burnt buildings, then so be it. |
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Go back to your firearm thread and cry about Trudeau stealing away your guns, no one is asking you to interject here. |
its amazing how many people still don't like to hear the words "black lives matter". |
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eye for an eye didn't work in 1992, nor HK last year (the reverse happened) |
These are pictures of police showing support for protesters. Some cops are taking a knee, doing fist bumps with protesters, and holding signs to support the peaceful protests. The pics that news outlets do not show in their headlines. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...1f584d52bb.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...5c75592eac.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...2cf0ad3b08.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...37cb7506c0.jpg Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
to expand on that, if you wanna see a good way to protest follow what those officers in Flint MI are doing taking off riot gear and marching with the protesters or the protesters trying to hold off the looters...because in already in fragile times with 110k dead in america last 2mos regardless of wealth and race, they need unity Quote:
ie: blocking ubc, vpd, vpl from marching in the pride parade :moderated: |
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You say an eye for an eye didn't work in 1992, well neither has peaceful protest, has it? Furthermore, comparing HK protests to this is a complete misnomer. One is a homogeneous population protesting their autonomy from a government, the other is a protest about the basic human right to live, and being actively oppressed by the basis of your very race. These are two very different things here. By the way, where was the outrage about the "looting" and "robbing" of the black community? Have you ever read about Black Wallstreet in Tulsa? Have you ever read about the GI Bill which invigorated the modern white middle-class in America, while entirely leaving out black servicemen, resulting in much of the wealth segregation we see in America today? Have you ever researched "redlining" and it's economic impacts on the black community? Where is your outrage for that historical "looting"? |
By the way, speaking to the 1992 riots, and your comment that nothing changed. A study in fact was done on that very subject: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journ...6D/core-reader The study did in fact come to a conclusion that rioting had a positive effect on policy discussion: "This study provides evidence for a plausible effect of violent protest on local policy support. Our results indicate that a riot can help build support for policy or symbolic goals by mobilizing supporters or building sympathy among others. We demonstrate that white and African American voters were mobilized to register, that new registrants tended to affiliate as Democrats, and that voters shifted their policy support toward public schools, net of a general shift in support for education spending. This mobilization appears to have persisted: those mobilized by the riot remained regular participators over a decade later and remained more Democratic than the general population, even after accounting for demographics." Of course the data can be skewed somewhat, as LA's response to the riot was uncharacteristically positive in a policy sense, given that it happened in California. But food for thought nonetheless. |
Trump cant' even speak to his nation .. he doesn't know how to articulate words to unite everyone... instead... they turn off the lights. https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/352/...hite-house.jpg |
On the flip sided BNN just had Somone on who went on about how the areas where those protests happened back then had MASSIVE downsides around the epicentre of the riots because there was mass exodus of both white people and other minorities as well as a huge number of businesses moving out. Essentially turning the area into ghettos in a incredibly short span because people did not want to live in those areas any longer nor did they think business would be viable. |
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i can easily flip the same question to you: where's the outrage about ongoing genocides? they're fighting to live too, no? should we start a thread on those atrocities too? Quote:
Spoiler! sounds like domestic terrorism to me violence erodes sympathy for many i agree with the other posters showing police officers kneeling/marching is more effective |
I don't know what I can intelligibly say about the protests themselves, so I'll shut up and not say anything about that. But one thing that deeply concerns me and is something that I can intelligibly mention is the numerous reports on police attacking members of the press when those members of the press are clearly and undeniably identifiable by numerous means. At least one reporter has been shot blind (much like how the exact same thing happened in Hong Kong). https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52880970 |
CNN reports that riot police are throwing tear gas at protesters outside the White House now. Trumpy is trying to show the "tough guy " image before his speech scheduled for today at the White House's Rose Garden. :facepalm: |
https://mashable.com/article/dallas-...-lives-matter/ Cops asking for snitches for videos of rioters breaking the law. "If you have a video of illegal activity from the protests and are trying to share it with @DallasPD, you can download it to our iWatch Dallas app," they wrote. "You can remain anonymous." Their web site crashed when everyone started to upload K-pop videos hahahahaha In Chicago someone hacked the police frequency they used to broadcast stuff. The hacker blasted out NWA tunes. Stupid Chicago police, that system was not encrypted or protected. |
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SOME leaders in the US have a goal of de-escalating situations, and get out there with people to talk to them. They also LET people protest peacefully, as long as they want. "Civil Disobedience" is not in itself illegal, even if there's a curfew. That's what I was talking about before, the major difference being fighting an oppressive regime vs fighting a regime that uses oppression. And to those who say HK "lost" the protests because of security law.. I think it's the opposite. They goaded China into not just "sorta ignoring the constitution just enough to not draw the ire of other countries" to completely burning it to the ground. Xi has thrown away 20 years of progress, and is going to keep going backwards as more countries say enough of this shit, we've been putting up with you way too long. The HK protests really could eventually lead to very drastic changes in China. Last June that would have been insane to say, and now it's totally plausible. And the way this shit seems to be moving at warp speed, it could take months instead of decades EleGiggle |
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You're probably more aware of one than the other though, understandably. But the national security law is a huge huge huge deal worldwide. They are breaking the deal they made, and that doesn't come without consequences. America no longer giving HK special treatment is a HUGE thing. HK doesn't have a high GDP, obviously, but their system is (was) crucial for international banking in China. It will cost them so much at the worst time possible. Hundreds of MPs and Governors around the world are getting ready to go deal with it; that kind of thing moves a bit more slowly than dealing with the virus, and now we have the protests in America to worry about. So yeah, pandemic bit them in the ass in terms of reputation (since there's no proof yet of its origins nobody can definitively act upon this anyway) but throwing away the agreement they made in 1984 is actually what will lead to consequences. Anyway this is a digression from this important topic, sorry about that. |
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