Why don't you cut the dog whistling and just admit the truth here.

You support the HK protests because they are demographic of people homogeneous to you, thus you carry empathy for people of your own race, and you seem to not be able to empathize with those outside of that.

I'm not Asian, however I've supported the HK protesters, and have fully understood their rights and reasons from the very get go, that's the difference between you and I.

Your last comment was absolutely ridiculous. You claim the HK protesters have no choice, and yet black Americans do?

That is so unbelievably laughable that it truly shows your complete and absolute ignorance on the very subject. The black community, the NAACP, The Southern Poverty Law Center, the list goes on of groups that have cried for a dialog with the Federal and State governments on this issue for fucking decades now, with literally NO ACTION.

I still truly can't believe you wrote that post thinking that was any type of credible rebuttal.

To claim that the HK protesters have no option, and yet the black community does, is so asinine, I don't even know how to unpack that sentiment.

If you can't see that blatant hypocrisy in your comments, I ask you to educate yourself further on this subject and the respective advocacy groups fighting this cause for longer then you've been living on this Earth.

Oh yes Candace Owens, the proverbial sycophantic Uncle Tom minstrel that right-wing conservatives love to cart out as a representative of the black community in times like these :lol

Candice Owens has never, and will never, represent the black community writ large. What's next a video of comments from David Clarke, or Omarosa? :lol

I appreciate you admitting you have little knowledge on the subject, I'll give you credit for that, at least.

Tell you what Hehe, based on your opinion.

Maybe I should just say the HK Protesters need to smarten up, what's their message anyways? They're Chinese, they need to support their government, the CCP. They need to understand that Hong Kong is part of China, and to give it up already. Why are they causing so much damage to their community? The CCP has given them prosperity, these people need to accept the fact that times up, and that they need to step in line and be a part of the country at large.

Besides, what's their message anyways? I just see a bunch of kids rioting and protesting, fighting with cops, and carrying umbrellas.

I'm being sarcastic here, but you see how stupid these comments sound? That's exactly what you're saying here in relation to the cause I'm speaking about.

What do you think about what she said?

To paraphrase, the Democrats don't care about black people, they just want black votes. Police brutality and white nationalism were ALSO brought up in the last election as talking points because those issues stir up a lot of anger, which is great for news media. The real issues facing black people: high rate of single motherhood and illiteracy are not things that are ever brought up because the Dems don't really care.

I think those are some good points. And keep in mind this video is from last year.

Do you have any opinions on those specific ideas? In my opinion you don't have to represent the community to have an opinion on it.

And I'm not a right-wing conservative. I'm more of a classical liberal.

Like Rosanne?

I'm not sure what Roseanne thinks.

I shouldn't say I'm this or that actually, because I might not agree with every single issue that's pigeon-holed for each group.

I think a government should have a minimal influence on the lives of people. In my opinion the main roles should be to:
Have an army and national defence to defend the country from foreign invaders
Have a police force to protect individuals from coercion from other individuals
Have courts to provide a mechanism for individuals to adjudicate disputes
Maintain the roads and bridges
Fire protection with fire halls
Significantly lower taxes to pay for a smaller government

That's it. We the people can handle everything else.

Candace Owens is a coon.

You can dismiss what comes out of that woman's mouth.

What do you want me to tell you Bird? Now you're trying to direct the conversation about Democrats and Republicans, both parties have their share of issues in terms of race, but we know quite clearly which one elected the first black president, bit of a false equivalency there, my friend :lol But I'm not here to cape for the Democrats, both parties have failed the black community, with one being far worse.

Both your points are classic white washed arguments that have been utilized for ages. Blame the victim, it's like grabbing a child's arm and hitting them with it, and then asking them why they're hitting themselves.

You are mentioning the consequence without addressing the causation.

Much of the damage to the family unit over the last number of decades can directly be traced back to Jim Crow era laws, exacerbated by the war on drugs in the 80's, and the subsequent crime bills of the 90's.

When you incarcerate wide swaths of black men, what do you expect will happen to the family unit? What do you think those children will learn as men without having their fathers around? It is a self fulfilling cycle.

You mention literacy. You do know how public schools work, don't you? They are funded through property taxes, what happens when you historically red-line communities to where there is no economic wealth? You end up with financially strapped, poor public schools, with the obvious consequences. That is further exasperated by many southern states which have continued to push segregation by abolishing school bus initiatives used in the past to allow black students to attend schools in the wealthier white communities, where more tax dollars are directed to via elected politicians.

It's all very clear the reasons to why these communities are in the state they are in today, I truly don't understand how such basic facts can be escaped by those such as yourself.

Is there some culpability in the black community? Sure. Though to deny the very fundamental reasons we are here in the first place as a result of rampant historic, and current inequality is quite disingenuous.

Are you practicing simple cognitive dissonance or is it purposeful?

1) This is a worldwide problem that has lasted centuries

2) Canada isn't much better in terms of how cops treat black people or first nations people compared to white

3) Look at the Canadian Politics thread. Ultra conservatism exists in Canada and needs to be countered. There are people who want to take the very worst aspects of America and bring them to Canada.

4) Making America better makes Canada better. Like it or not, they're the leaders of the free part of the world. They kind of suck right now, but we still count on them for a lot.

If America really falls apart (which sounds ridiculous but actually is feasible) you do not want to live in that world. Unless you're a billionaire fascist of course...

I don’t see any cognitive dissonance in what I’m saying. You’re going to have to be more specific.

I’m not suggesting that it’s entirely the fault of black people that they have a high father-lessness rates. One reason is because the government has incentivized people receiving social welfare to not marry the father of their child. If you marry, you get less social welfare money so you have generations of people who are going to grow up without fathers. The problem is going to get worse until this is addressed. Like the majority of government policy, it hurts the very people it professes to help because the people making these economic decisions, these politicians, don’t care about the results, they just want votes.

RE: Affirmative action, at Harvard, 70% of black students we’re failing or at risk of dropping out. This is because they were admitted to a school that was more difficult than they could handle. Those black students had high test scores and would have been star students had they gone to a school that matched their skill level. Going to Harvard and dropping out hurt their confidence and made them feel like failures.

The war on drugs, minimum wage, social welfare, affirmative action – these are the major things we should be studying to help improve the lives of the poor. Minimum wage for instance is not something I’ve heard any real economist say has a positive benefit to society. The only ones who like the idea are politicians who push it to a largely uninformed and economically uneducated population.

We live in a world where virtue signalling and being politically correct is more fashionable than the truth. Our consumerist society is obsessed with Instagram influencers and we treat celebrities like gods. I really don’t give a shit what the Rock has to say. I know it’s some pre-planned bullshit script meant to brainwash me.

The point is, the Democrat party supports these very programs that hurt poor people the most. You can blame racism and donate more money to BLM but it’s not going to do anything because you're not targeting the core issues. You can "end" police brutality and stop the 300 black lives that are being killed by police every year and you're still going to be wondering why black lives aren't improving. Watch us have the same conversation 4 years from now. Maybe next time it'll be because white people aren't hiring black people so now companies must have 40% minorities.

By the way, this is something you regularly do:

Definition of ad hominem
marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made

It's gross and shows that you argue in bad faith.

Black people has no choice. They have a gov't who isn't willing to have dialogue. After all, they do whatever Trump says, and if USA Government is letting Racial discrimination to continue to change stance, nothing will change. So, going on the street, even if there's the risk people rioting, one'd just take it. Because that is the last resort. The Black community and protesters in USA made their requests loud and clear. Black citizens NEVER had a dialogue. It abandoned the proposal because it gave up. But it's clear that Trump doesn't want ANY dialogue whatsoever because it doesn't want to set a precedent of "things are negotiable".

Fuckin grosssssss have they learned NOTHING this past week?

*incident in Buffalo, google it*

People will get so mad if I leave that up

I have to take it down because it's a disgusting violent act. However I know your intent is not the same as the gaslighting attempts the other member was doing. Unfortunately I'm pretty numb to this kind of footage myself, having seen police do exactly this on a weekly basis for the past year. But it's fair to just remove all this kind of footage, since I was forced to do so by the gaslighting that occurred on the last page. I knew this would happen eventually... I just have to accept that someone got their way, and successfully manipulated the thread from its intent (again we need a shrug emote lol)

In case people are wondering, an elderly protester was standing in front of a line of police, then didn't move away when they marched towards him as the curfew came into place. They shoved him backwards hard, and he fell backwards, cracking his skull on the cement, bleeding from his head and ears. He wasn't moving.

Another angle of the incident shows the disgusting sound it made as his skull hit the ground

He is alive in a hospital, that's all that's known about his condition. What happens from here, we won't know for a while.

Two police have been suspended (not arrested). Buffalo police said he tripped and fell. Thankfully it was caught on film, so we know it was actually attempted manslaughter.

Update: The mayor of Buffalo says the 75-year-old man is in serious condition. Unknown if he'll make it.

So, you are saying that looting and rioting is JUSTIFIABLE when a black dude die and suddenly BLM is the most trending hashtag on Twitter because we have to bring the unknown amount of racists out there.

Now, 7 million of yellow dudes and dudettes are having their BASIC FREEDOM, ALL THOSE GUARANTEED to YOU by our charters and the constitution in the US, taken away and that's NOT justifiable?

Who's the hypocrite here? Admit it... you care BLM ONLY because it's the fucking trend. It's the topic that's IN... if you don't talk about it and support it, it's wrong.

Where is your sympathy on yellow skin people? I thought we are arguing about racial equality. So, how many yellow skin dude's death would it take so that #YellowLivesMatter become a trend?

You think about that and then come to tell me who's the hypocrite here. The FACT is that you DON'T CARE BLM. You probably don't have any close black friends and you are only arguing for black people BECAUSE it's the COOL THING to do.

I'm pretty sure Mike is black, or at least part black I don't know him personally lol, and you're going to say he's hopping on the BLM train cause it's trending?

I don't know what posts of his you've been reading but he's been nothing but supportive of the people and the shit going down in Hong Kong, yet you've done nothing but shit on what's been going on with Black people in the States.

You want hypocrisy? Read your posts defending what's going on in HK and thinking the shit happening to Black people in the States can be handled by simple dialogue. It's seriously laughable.

Also if the US actually becomes a proper developed nation it stops giving people the easy out of "well at least we're better than the US" for everything.

Hahahaha... maybe you aren't in the US so you are based on a limited information.

Do you know who controls pretty much EVERY MAJOR cities in US currently in chaos? You can google it, but I'll give you the fact right here, DEMOCRATS.

Why democrats want to let this to carry out? Of course of their political reasons. I've said it before, these people should feel ashamed of themselves when they put their own personal/groupal agenda before actually doing things they have to do.

And you tell me this is "their" last resort? I believe you refer to the black people and people who "support racial equality"? So, before this incident, and the one prior (also "I can't breathe), where have they been all these time?

Oh yes... I'm sure Floyd's death brought this to their attention again. And they have finally had enough. You know the funny thing? The first case of I can't breathe... the death of Eric Garner in NY happened 5years ago. A time under Obama (Dem) administration and Cuomo never let the protest went out of control. There were even counter-protest arranged to show support to the police.

And also, many looting video I see in 2020 are people in their 20s and probably teens. I'm sure they were SUPER aware of racial discrimination cases back then, and this time they couldn't stand anymore, they needed to resort to violence.

So many coincidences.... :rukidding:

It doesn't make any difference if he's black or not. I'm just saying that if he thinks BLM because a black dude died. Then YellowLivesAlsoMatter because many Kongers have already died and injured for the cause.

In fact it's worse... If he thinks only BLM and not YLW... then he is also racist and hypocrite in his posts. BLM because it's trending and it matters to him because he's also black. So Yellow, or any other color for that matter currently suffering in the world don't deserve the same attention? Where's his racial equality?

And regarding having a dialogue. I am sorry, but I've yet to see any organizers asking to have one. They just went on the street, shout BLM and then started looting and rioting. Explain that to me how exactly they were PREPARED to have a dialogue?

False.
The five highest per pupil funded school districts are all overrepresented by black students.
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres...-spending.html
Baltimore city district, the third highest funded in the country, reported six schools where not one single student was proficient in math or reading.
https://www.educationdive.com/news/s...eading/443155/

You mean charter schools?
Of which the Trump administration has been a huge proponent?
Biden on the other hand...
https://exclusive.multibriefs.com/co...vil-government

how about HBCU's? This administration has spent more than any other President in history.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/l...t/65-543185506

Who said any other lives don't matter? Jesus Christ, if people don't get that saying BLM MEANS ALL LIVES MATTER then I don't know what to say. It's so obvious when they say black lives matter they are pleading with people that they are human too, just like everyone else. They aren't trying to put themselves on a pedestal saying their lives are worth more, they are saying they don't deserve to be treated less.

Do some research, they've done the 'I have a dream' speeches, shit didn't work.

Bahahaha.... yes... I'm sure BLM meant all lives matter. If that makes you feel better, by all means, stick your belief in that.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/nba-an...atter-comment/

One thing I want to make ABSOLUTELY CLEAR here. I'm ALL IN FULL SUPPORT of racial equality and any fight to bring this issue to an end. I'm a minority myself, I have encounter many many instances of racism against myself. So I know what kind of problem racism brings.

What I AM AGAINST is people USING THIS AS AN EXCUSE to bring havoc. And also people who are using this to bring another FORM of racism. So now BLM? How about everyone else? Heck, even the white people.

I SUPPORT RACIAL EQUALITY. Where no RACE SHOULD HAVE ANY Priority. As of now, many of the BLM movement seem to be going the wrong way. It's ONLY BLMatter... but they don't give a rat ass fuck about others. I'm sorry... but THAT IS RACISM AT ITS WORST in my opinion.

And if one thinks otherwise... ANYTHING other than BLM.... you are guilty as charged.

If that's what this has come to... then I've nothing else to say... I'm just a yellow guy... my life doesn't matter because all they care is BLM.

In one ear and out the other, have a good night.

What about water, sewer, and garbage?

Psssssssstttt..... this argument is completely invalidated by the fact every major city in the USA is Democratic... kind of hard for any Republican mayor of a major city to show what they might have done differently............... because there aren't any!

Here's a heat map for you, only rural / arguably poorly educated places vote heavily Republican...

https://mk0brilliantmaptxoqs.kinstac...yvoteshare.png

All the blue areas are big cities or highly developed areas... all the red is, well, you can put it together.

Hehe you really need to re-read what you are posting. You are calling out someone else for doing something that YOU are literally doing in every post.
Mike never once said he didn’t support HK protesters. You continue to state reasons why the HK protests are more valid because their government refuses dialogue.
CAN YOU REALLY BE IMPLYING THAT THE US GOVERNMENT IS WILLING TO HAVE DIALOGUE ABOUT THESE ISSUES OF SYSTEMIC RACISM THAT HAVE EXISTED SINCE THE FOUNDING OF THE COUNTRY? Don’t you think maybe it would have happened by now? I mean, it’s not like people never asked.