Two years in a row Max doesn't get a proper celebration. Last year was controversy and this year was confusion. Guess he'll have to win again next year to make up for it lol

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMF2Qj77p/

My tiktok has been pumping out hilarious F1 videos

His dad will still hate him lol.

Now there will be another cloud over the 2021 championship with it coming to light that Redbull overspent on the cost cap. If the FIA doesn't throw the book at them, it will be open season for all other manufacturers to risk spending more in hopes of winning the championship and just eating whatever minor penalty that inevitably get's given to Redbull.

I'm waiting to see what the reprimand is. Any meaningful amount of driver points is going to take the driver's championship away from Max.

RB didn't even win the team's championship, so that's kind of pointless.

They've probably benefited this year as well from the overspend.

*sigh* shit like this is why I stopped watching in the first place

They HAVE to give Redbull a substantial penalty or else teams are just going to overspend and take whatever monetary fine to get a championship. I don't buy the catering excuse one bit.

I wouldn't be against taking championships from Redbull.

Aren't they only over by a couple million? That's rather nominal considering the cap is like 150million? That's like a rounding error by their accountant :lol


Cool AM suzuka video

Rumour is a couple millions but a couple million is worth a few tenths on the track and the effects can easily carryover to future development if it's a core part of the car. A few tenths would have meant Hamilton winning his 8th championship (alternatively the FIA could have followed their own rules to achieve this) or those few tenths is how Red Bull is kicking Ferrari's ass this year (Ferrari's doing plenty to kick their own ass though).

Come on guys, I guarantee there is zero chance last year's WDC is taken away from Max over this.

Take could take away their WCC points and prize money (essentially a big fine at this point) but they're not opening up the WDC can of worms and you know it.

I believe that the rules say they can't take away a WDC which is partly why Hamilton wasn't given the 2021 title even after the FIA said they screwed up in the final race.

I don't think a fine is going to be enough unless Red Bull went over a small amount (less than a million) and it was inadvertent. The rich teams all have more than enough money to pay nearly any kind of fine that the FIA could come up with - Mercedes F1 reported a huge increase in profits last year due to the cap, so much that parent company didn't actually have to put any money into the team.

We're likely talking less wind tunnel time - maybe significantly (20%?) - plus a fine that's at least 10x whatever they went over by. I can't imagine the other teams will be happy with anything less - they've all gone on record with how breaking the cap is as bad as cheating.

I'm not sure there are any rules that state a WDC can't be retroactively removed. There has just never been a precedent of it ever occurring. The closest thing I can think of is when Schumacher was completely disqualified from the championship after deliberately running into Villeneuve, but Villeneuve came out of that incident better than Schumacher and won anyways.

However, the Abu Dhabi incident was a completely different situation. It was the FIA that fucked up their safety car procedure. Verstappen did nothing wrong there. And well, you can't really go back and re-write an ending to the race based on the assumption of how others think it "should have" ended.

If the driver benefitted from his team cheating, he should absolutely have his championship revoked, and maybe remove some points from this season as well.

Don't suspend the driver obviously, but the wins will be tainted forever now and it should be made official.

Maybe he should, but he won't.

You guys get way too emotionally invested in this shit.

I take the drama "fluid" nature of the rule interpretation as part of the whole deal to watching F1.

It's also easy because I don't really have a favourite driver or team.

I don't care which team or driver it was, I don't really have a favourite either. But there's nothing I hate more than cheating in sports. Except getting caught for cheating and having no repercussions.

At this point the 2021 championship for Max should be treated the same as Barry Bonds home run record in baseball. The record exists but it should have an asterisk next to it.

A few tenths? That's harsh

The fact the FIA even has two tiers for the infractions Minor (<5%) and Major (>5%) suggests they expected teams to be slightly over and for it to not be considered serious, so it would likely have minimal penalties (else there would be no reason to tier it)


imo if the FIA tiers the levels of breach that means the punishments are tiered as well

Actually come to think of it what are the punishments?

Maybe a minor breach means disqualification, and a major breach means banning from the sport

Or maybe a minor breach means a reprimand/££££££ and a major means disqualification

I'd be fine with either result, we'll have to see what the FIA says, the punishments should really be set out already tho so that we could easily lookup what a procedural/minor/major breach calls for, but it seems like the FIA is just making it all up as they go along (as usual)

Even if it's "a few hundredths", Verstappen beat LeClerc by 1/100th and Sainz by 5.7/100th in Q3 at Suzuka

See that's what I'm saying. I don't hate the cheating.

To me it's always been a part of motorsports, especially in series with more open development like F1. I find some of the cheats themselves fascinating. The turbo air bypass cheat of the '95 Celica WRC car was amazing engineering. Here's a good video about some of the cheat stories in NASCAR over the years:
The punishments aren't for me to decide, and I don't get worked up about their leniency or severity. I find the politicking and drama around the whole thing fun to watch.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cjr8n...d=NGI3YWI1Y2U=

A wholesome moment from the Alfa Romeo team:QQ:

was there no cheating/manipulating by Mercedes while Hamilton won his championships?

It ain't cheating if you don't get caught. :)

I think that's a fascinating aspect of racing that has always been there, but if you're going to let teams do that, you might as well just give the championship to whichever team spends the most money.

There was the off season private tyre testing with pirelli that comes to mind

Well I mean Aston Martin also allegedly broke the cap last year and they finished 7th, so...