Me and you die together okay ? Save on funeral costs. :fullofwin:

Honestly the stories I get from guys at work (we work one on one for hours at a time in pure boredom) with kids in their teen years is pretty disheartening. The issues with this pronoun stuff, the fact I worked with 2 guys in a month (where their kids were transgender taking hormone pills) is kinda insane (out of 10 guys total). Kids boyfriends/girlfriends that don’t identify as boys or girls so I guess partners? Going to family dinners and challenging the grandparents on the identity/pronoun subjects because they don’t know what is what. It’s kind of fucked. But maybe that’s just confused teenagers?

It may sound odd to us or our parents to use "partner" and other non gendered words. But who cares? Language is always developing. Many languages don't use gender pronouns at all. In Japanese for instance, everyone is "them/they" unless you need to specify. More often you'd use their name

I want to be understanding, compassionate, and accepting ... but when children under 16 (as young as 13) can start the process of transgendering with or without the parent's permission ... I'm really at a loss of what to think (well, actually, I don't think it's right, it's insane !!). If someone who is an adult wants to ... then go ahead but a minor without parental consent or knowledge ??!!

I don't know if it is conspiracy tin foil stuff or not but apparently, there are some who have transgendered and then regret it ... it doesn't actually solve what it is that they were originally looking or searching for but if you raise this, you're seen as anti-transgender :rukidding:

Reference from BC Medical Journal - Legal rights of transgender youth seeking medical care
https://bcmj.org/articles/legal-rights-transgender-youth-seeking-medical-care#:~:text=Once%20a%20youth's%20care%20provider, right%20to%20consent%20to%20treatment.

Once a youth’s care provider concludes that the minor is able to understand a proposed treatment and its potential risks and benefits, and that the treatment is in the minor’s best interests, then the minor has the exclusive right to consent to treatment. The parents (or the ministry, if the youth is in care) are not entitled to decide what is in the child’s best interests They can neither consent nor refuse consent to the treatment. Note that there is no specific age cutoff in BC: a minor may be competent to decide about a particular medical treatment[15] at a young age, depending on the nature of the treatment and the minor’s maturity.

It's also ok to ask people use the gendered partner terms for yourself if that's what you wish, it works both ways.

Like I'll use "partner" when I don't know someone's situation and want to be safe.

However, when someone refers to my wife as my partner (I know she hates being referred to as my partner), I'll correct them.

For example, just recently someone I was talking to was like "Great68, what does your partner do for work" and I reply with "My wife does blah blah"

YOU GO STRAIGHT TO JAIL AND TAKE YOUR PARTNER WITH YOU

If people are truly concerned about the medical well being of children, perhaps a more sensible place to start is that parents are allowed to refuse things like blood transfusions for religious reasons that actually result in the death of their children.
If these people are truly looking out for kids and not just basing it on their anger over the "gay woke agenda" there's more pertinent places to start.

Quoted for truth when it eventually comes up. We’ll obey your wishes

Instead of a ship it will be one of his M3's

It's not tinfoil stuff at all. It seems that many who de-transition were swept up in the craze of becoming something they never were but, for many, they went too far in and cannot ever fully revert back. The biggest consequence being sterility and therefore unable to conceive.

Social media doesn't help. It has taken Transgenderism and morphed it into TRENDS-genderism. It reminds me of the emo craze of the late 2000s. But at least with emo, you can ditch the makeup, the clothes, change your hair and actually smile. Something that isn't so easy to do when you when surgically alter your body to the point of no return.

This discussion is reminding me of a local case a couple years back where the BC supreme court said 13yr old children are old enough to decide they can transition and begin treatment on their own volition without the need of parental consent, and also ruled that if any parent tried to convince or persuade their child not to seek out therapy on their own would be deemed domestic violence

The father of the child was arguing that not all the science is being considered and that his child wasn't old enough to consent to such medical treatment

The father was slapped with a domestic violence charge iirc bcuz he refused to accept his child's new pronouns

What reminded me of this story is just how vehemently ppl are split on the issue, where even discussion is taboo and just garners hateful/derogatory comments by both sides

Just curious who here would be cool with their kid deciding to transition when their 13 or younger? Not just dressing like the opposite sex but the whole shebang

^ I think that's a great question ... this just isn't referring to a colleague with the right pronoun or storytime at the local library stuff ... now this is where the rubber meets the road.

When this is permissible with or without a parent's consent ... you don't have to be an ultra right wing nut to say, wait a minute here.

In my case, best to avoid the situation all together and not have kids hahaha

But hypothetically. If my dumb ass kid wanted a sex change at 13 id refuse it and tell them to wait till they are 18 and out of my house. Then you can do whatever the fuck you want and break your poor fathers heart afterwards.

Until 18 though their ass is mine and I get the final say as to what is their best interest.

That and I’ll probably beat the lgbqt+xzy out of them so I don’t know. Doesn’t seem like a big deal to me

I’d also restrict social media. Don’t give them access to that internet debauchery and ensure they attend a very very expensive private school full of like minded idiots to ensure they are molded into an outstanding snooty piece of shit that I wouldn’t want to be associated with.

i'm not a parent nor do i plan to be, but given that, what are the consequences of having your kid who is trans not transition if that's what they want?

it's never healthy to have unsupportive parents. you'd most likely destroy your relationship with your kid, your kid would probably eventually do it anyway, and also the strain on their mental health would be significant.

Suicide rates for teens who are gay or trans (or any "different") are much higher because of a lack of parental acceptance/support (and many other factors).

https://www.newportacademy.com/resou...suicide-rates/

The word partner wasn’t really what I was getting at. Although I probably didn’t state it very well either.

The main concern of my coworker is their child identifies as something else, dating someone identifying as someone else. This partner is so sensitive (or just a pure shit disturber) they can’t get through a Christmas dinner without actively trying to cause an argument at the table in regards to the situation. Pin pointing grandparents who let’s get real, will never understand. This partner then starts labeling other people as “they” as the table because they have a more feminine voice then what a man would normally have. So not only are they extremely sensitive about what people call them, they are labelling others themselves. Honestly this is more of immaturity and trying to control than anything else but it’s all messed up.

Westopher brought up a good point in regards to the religious health practices. Considering I actually grew up in one of these religions for the first 5 years or so of my life I can agree with you 100%. It doesn’t make sense at all. But I also think you are vastly underestimating the psychological damage this confusion is causing the large portion of the younger generation, even if it doesn’t end in immediate death.

You can be a supportive parent while still saying "let's pump the brakes a bit" because you're making life altering decisions here.

Eventually if nothing changes they are going to do what they want anyways, why are we so eager to start that young when they might actually not feel the same way a few years down the road.

Exactly. Do people really think that shoving them back in the closet for 5 years because of "You don't do this in my house" is going to be conducive to a healthy upbringing and mental state in those years and into the future? Do they really think a kid will "grow out" of wanting to transition?

I guess those are the same people that think conversion therapy actually works...

It's not about shoving them into the closet keeping it hush hush, it's about a kid that might not have even finished puberty yet making decisions that will impact them for the rest of their lives.

Fuck yeah I think it's possible someone who is 10 years old might grow out of wanting to transition, I guarantee there's people out there that regret transitioning right now.

Your first sentence said it all ... I was the best parent before I had any kids.

I'd like to hear some real comments from parents with teens. None of this keyboard, hypotheical, if I had a child BS.

What I would hope as a parent is that I could have a good enough relationship with my daughter that we could have a serious discussion about waiting until she was older to make such a drastic decision, and if she still felt that way a year from then, we would travel down that road. A lot of parents out there do not have their kids best interests in mind in situations like this as far as I'm concerned and their judgement is clouded by their own ego/image. Kids at that age are capable of having some reason, and with that could come conversations of the pros and cons of their decisions so they can come to a conclusion of what's best for them, with the appropriate guidance and support from their parents.
I was raised being "allowed" to do things, but my mom definitely pushed me in directions through logic and reason that helped me make the right choices (sometimes) and you have to realize that you truly can not control another living being, your kid or not.

Well the reality contradicts your fears. Studies point overwhelmingly to those who choose to transition, even at young ages, keep their identities and experience no regret.

This study of 317 who started transitions between 3 and 12, 94% were happy with their transisions 5 years later. Only 2.5% re-transisioned back to their birth sex.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-...ater-rcna27253

So I mean I guess you can hold out hope your kid is that special one in that 2.5% group, but statistically speaking that'd be unlikely and you'd probably be doing more harm than good by preventing them from starting early.

In adults it's even lower, something like 0.8% experience transition regret, with 0.1% actually de-transitioning.

One study of 317 people that's great. What's crazy to me is the group is between 3 AND 12. Yeah sorry but I'll never see eye to eye with anyone who supports that.

Is Reuters a reliable news source? This article seems legit. From this article ... there are nuances, as with any research article.


Why Detransitioners are crucial to the science of gender care

https://www.reuters.com/investigates...outh-outcomes/

In the past year, MacKinnon (is a 37-year-old transgender man and assistant professor of social work at York University) his team of researchers have talked to 40 detransitioners in the United States, Canada and Europe, many of them having first received gender-affirming medical treatment in their 20s or younger. Their stories have upended his assumptions.

Many have said their gender identity remained fluid well after the start of treatment, and a third of them expressed regret about their decision to transition from the gender they were assigned at birth. Some said they avoided telling their doctors about detransitioning out of embarrassment or shame. Others said their doctors were ill-equipped to help them with the process. Most often, they talked about how transitioning did not address their mental health problems.

Dr Laura Edwards-Leeper, a clinical psychologist in Oregon who treats transgender youths and a co-author of WPATH’s new Standards of Care for adolescents and children, said MacKinnon’s work represents some of the most extensive research to date on the reasons for detransitioning and the obstacles patients face. She said the vitriol he has encountered illustrates one reason so few clinicians and researchers are willing to broach the subject.

“People are terrified to do this research,” she said.

For this article, Reuters spoke to 17 people who began medical transition as minors and said they now regretted some or all of their transition. Many said they realized only after transitioning that they were homosexual, or they always knew they were lesbian or gay but felt, as adolescents, that it was safer or more desirable to transition to a gender that made them heterosexual. Others said sexual abuse or assault made them want to leave the gender associated with that trauma. Many also said they had autism or mental health issues such as bipolar disorder that complicated their search for identity as teenagers.

“There’s a real need for more long-term studies that track patients for five years or longer,” MacKinnon said. “Many detransitioners talk about feeling good during the first few years of their transition. After that, they may experience regret.”