Come Onnnn man. You sound like you're living in the 1950s or something. It's 2025. You wanna live and "hoe around" in Europe? You can do that until you're 60 years old and no eyebrows will be raised. Wanna drive a ferrari until you crash it due to cataracts in your 80 year old eyes? You certainly seem to have enough money to do that. NO one is telling you to settle down and get married or have kids or become a C-suite fuck. Certainly not as a man. You can do whatever the fuck you want and society will literally not give a flying fuck.

Again dude it's 2025.

^its quarter life crisis bro. its a real thing for these kids nowadays.

All my boring older friends and family have always said this to me. Why are you tryna mix-max everything, just live without thinking. Be happy with your life, you don't have to strive for more. That mindset handicapped me for awhile, I thought my entire life was just gonna be my highschool friends and maybe some uni friends. My only hobby was cars. It wasn't until I started min/maxing life was when I found tons of characters in various hobbies, most like-minded, and life has never been better. We're all doing more and experiencing as much as life has to offer.


If I never min-maxed, I'd probably be poor, fat, never played sports, never met any of my post hs/college group of friends, never ventured in 10+ hobbies, never move out, buy a business, and probably be mid at anything I try.

I stopped taking advice from people I don't wanna be, who're living lives I don't wanna live.

It's probably because we don't have any struggle anymore, we have all the options to do everything whereas 1980's kids had to survive.

I don't have a spreadsheet or list, but this is a common topic amongst 25-33 year old, we're in an economy where we are fucked by housing costs that benefited everyone who bought pre 2016. So we wanna maximize life given the constraint which is money and time. You plan your life for career, relationships, and friendships. Why not take the effort to plan experiences and how you want your lifestyle to be.

I follow the mantra of this book
https://www.diewithzerobook.com/welcome

I'm not sure I agree about whether people care about what you've done. Circumstances matter, too, and you decide who you want to associate yourself with.

Re: 35 at a concert with wife. If you can have both a Ferrari engine and a Yamaha, why not? No hard rule to say you can't. You're at a different stage in your life, so it all boils back down to circumstances. You have the option of choosing to stay single, and if you ask me openly, there's no judgement on that. I'm a pretty care-free liberal, "laissez faire" kinda guy (the type Hondaracer hates so much) so you do you. And you'll be fine.

It's perfectly fine to want to achieve something for yourself or strive to be better. But the way people try to assign value and collect experiences, friends, possessions. I dunno man I don't see that as a healthy mindset in the long run.

It's certainly not something most people can even afford to entertain so erm just check your privilege .

Why wait till 65 for a mountain of coke + hookers, ppl are doing that now

That's my favourite memory of the S2000 as well, everyone sitting in their first convertible or sports car is really exciting. 2nd is meeting people who always wanted to sit in one and giving them that experience to drive/sit in it. Third is top down ROAD DOME, you can only do that in early 20's without thinking too much.

I really want kids and ideally in my mid 30's so I can competitively play sports and golf with them like I do with my friends parents. My mom's 74 and she's functional but she can't anything intensive anymore. Dad passed away super early, so it'd be a shame if I didn't see my kids grow up because I had them late.

Hence why time is a constraint, no kids and I'm not worried about time.

THATS GEEZER TALK ! you should encourage these kids to min max so we have CPP money left over.... (dont tell them the secret)

Spy balloon knows all and SEES ALL !!!!! she's the eye of sauron

I can't tell if it's because kids in the 80s had it easier (income x housing/car cost) or if we just chase more because we're exposed to more over social media.


I really feel like we haven't found the right words about optimizing our experiences and lifestyle. I feel like I come across contrived/superficial when I describe how things happened but most of it was really just bringing a good vibe and be someone people wanna introduce to their friends.

Penetrating into social circles that do activities listed in the previous page is difficult because those hobbies are expensive and everyone who can afford to do them are high performers to be able to afford it.

While I think nobody really cares about you and what you do, it's so much easier to make new friends and be "accepted" when you roll in as a solid character. People say it's hard to make good friends post college and I agree because people don't have the time, energy and want to put the effort to meeting new people or developing stronger friendships because they already have their social circle. That's why you have to be strategic on how you make friends in Vancouver, once you figure it out it's easy mode.

I think you're misinterpreting the message, I don't place high value at all about collecting friends or possessions.

I want to put my best foot forward to meet the great people in life to share extraordinary experiences together. Activities and having nice things is a fun but enjoying them with your friends and loved ones is what makes it an 11/10 experience.

Do a line off her, and then do a line off me

I don't think it's about min-maxing every aspect of your life. IMO it has more to do with having the curiosity, interest, drive, and energy (and funding, of course) to seek out different experiences to see what you enjoy more -- including success.

Many of these qualities seem to be far more readily available in our prime -- when life haven't burdened us with too many responsibilities yet. When we are burdened with too many responsibilities, regardless of whether we got into them willingly or not, we start losing the drive to keep going and trying.

With a day job, mortgage, house chores, family reponsibilities -- including being the support person to my aging parents and inlaws, when my duties for the day are finally done at 11pm or 12am, pretty much the only thing I want to do is to chill or go to bed. There just isn't any gas left in the tank anymore, so to speak, to make the conscious effort to min-max anything.

I realize I am already speaking from a position of relative privilege, since I already have a roof above my head, food on the table, have the time to take on some of those aforementioned responsibilities, and even the luxury to enjoy a hobby or two every now and then. But I sure wish I'd have more time for myself to pursue what I want to do.

This sounds like a pay-to-play transaction model. I don't think making friends this way is all healthy. CivicBlues said it best in his post above. Check your privlege.

Re: The struggle. I don't know how to articulate this but I think feelings and egos get hurt too easily.

One relatable experience of AstulzerRZD not getting the job he wanted resonated with me because I had to turn someone down recently (Gen Z'er.) His approach was he was entitled to it. No, he was not. I explained to him very clearly he did not have the right skills (social / leadership) to do the job well, and to lead others. I gave him valuable feedback on how to improve and that we could revisit this later when the opportunity came again. He didn't like this, told me to rot in hell, and he quit. He is now on welfare.

I remember when I was younger (still in 3rd year) I got passed on for a job. Out of anger, I sent in my resignation letter. Someone had a word with me to reconsider it and I swallowed my pride, went to the director and asked for my resignation latter back. It was painful, but it was a good life lesson. Most people would have just left. If I didn't take a shot to the gut with that situation, I don't think I'd be where I am today.

They had it easier, we're spending 2x more on housing to get half the bedrooms. So we live the same or worse lifestyle despite making 1.4-2x more. Like my neighbour is 34, his parents bought him a $299K pre-sale in 2010, he lives the same life as me making 50% less, drives a german car. Has pretty much no housing costs because mortgage is so low.

I think Gen Z's chase because of social media and because they don't have to worry about food and shelter, so they're the next generation to strive for more "wealth". I don't care about that, give me my old Honda and some extra bedrooms to pop babies in. I don't need nor want luxury stuff.

Civicblues reminds me of everyone in my brother's friend group who are 5-10+ years older than me. Every time we talk about life and what we're up to, 90% of their responses are the same negative feedback.
- "You should be content, why do you wanna do more? Just sit and relax and watch some Netflix"
- "I don't need new friends, my hs friends are enough, you just need 1 close friend"
- "Oh, you shouldn't do those hobbies, they're so expensive, save money"
- "You worry too much about what you eat and exercise too much, that's too much work and you'll hurt yourself"
- "Oh opening a business is so risky, are you sure it makes money?"


Then they also say this a week later
- "Damn, how'd you achieve x,y,z"
- "Vancouver is such a clique city, how do you meet so many people all the time, invite me out"
- "Why don't you invite/teach me to play golf, tennis, grass vball"
- "How do you stay in shape so easily? I need to start dieting"
- "My HS friends never host fun events, do any hobbies or start cool businesses"

prease forgive civicblues. thats our generation.

We are all very glum and gloom/doom even though we had it easier than you kids.

Im supportive of you guys min maxing your life. its good, just dont focus too hard on comparing yourselves to others as it seems social media is your greatest enemy. It gives you unnecessary pressures on an already stressful life. Also please go have kids, make up for the ones that i dont have. Otherwise 3rd world countries will overpopulate and take us over.

Just dont expect me to hire any of your shitty kids. FUCK THAT SHIT.

Shut up rich old man :okay: Sucks to be poor, okay?

On a serious note, yes, agreed with Badhobz. Social media is dangerous. I, too, once got caught up in the frenzy and it drove me crazy I didn't have the latest 911, er, beetle, or fly business class on every flight when I was actively traveling on a regular basis. Once I shut all that shit down, life has been tremendously more comfortable. There's more than what meets the eye.

You find simple pleasures in even meeting your old geezer friends in a parking lot for a grocery store burger. I would personally welcome you to come join us to see how retarded we are.

Poor people can do fun poor people things!

I remember when i was poor, i enjoyed 2 dollar churchs chicken specials and stealing free slurpee coupons from the back of Z95 stickers.

Ahhh good times. Theft was fun.

Hey Hey Hey...I maybe only agree with maybe 5 or 6 of these things :D

But seriously go enjoy your life, I'm not telling you not to do it...I'm just telling you to shut up about it and just do it. I've done/tried all these things (except maybe entrepreneurship) and more. What I don't really understand is trying to seek validation from others for doing so as if it's some kinda game you need to "win" at...especially from online strangers.

I guess that's just the Elder Millennial in me. If no one "likes" something, did it really happen?

Hey what's wrong with being 35 and seeing a concert with your wife? I just did that a couple weeks ago seeing Sum 41 :lol The only difference was we were in seats rather than on the floor.

People have always been trying to keep up with the Jones', but now you see edited versions of people way outside your social circle and the price of the "best" of things is now way higher than before. Like even if you were insanely rich in the 80's and went out and bought a Ferrari Testarossa it was $115k. In todays money that's about $300k. Sure a normal person can't afford it, but you could at least dream about winning a few million in the lotto and getting one.

Nowadays the F80 is $3.9M. Effectively 13x more expensive. You can't even afford one if you win a regular lotto, it has to be a big one. Now even a lotto win doesn't let you live out the dream of buying the best of the best.

yes things are fucked nowadays. The less you compare yourself to others the better. There's always some mofo who has more and the magically the algorithm will find it and send it to your feed to make sure you feel THAT much worse about yourself.

Collecting friends/colleagues to have “experiences” with sounds like some contrived bullshit anyways lol…

So what you’re trying to find these perfect relationships to fill this need in your life? lol sorry but it’s probably not gonna happen.

Firstly anyone with a family, young kids, dependants, they are out of that group.

Second, “high performing” people probably don’t have time to play your games of tagging along till you become good enough friends to do what you’re looking for with them.

I’ve been in and out of a few social circles that were well above my pay grade and outside of the people who were just fake, or wealthy but jaded af, none of them were doing anything so far out of my reach that I thought this was a relationship worth fostering in order to get something out of it. They might spend more money than I’d be comfortable spending on certain things, but other than that I couldn’t care less about hopping up in social status for the sake of personal benefit. It’s way too much work.

If you want torpedo your dreams of freedom, travel, activities, go have a kid. There ya go, your next 20 years of life are planned out for you lol

If you’re already caving to the societal norms that you’re in your mid 30’s and running out of time to have a kid, well.. sounds like you’ve already got a plan.

Stop occupying the mcmansions while we're in 1BR's tryna pop 3 kids, or let me live with you, we can share cars and wives.

We're both XL too!

There's a lot of shitty rich people, just gotta sift through for the good ones that have same values as you!

almost none of the rich people i know have a good set of core values.

They got there either by being born into it (which is the worst because they dont value any of it)

Fought and clawed their way to the top (makes them stingy, jaded, and super protective)

Or fell into it due to sheer luck either due to marrying into it, or getting lucky on stocks, or just being at the right time an place. Ideally they came from peasant stock so they remember when they were poor (this is probably your best bet to make a good friend who isnt a complete asshole/retard).

peepoClap you can be my wife's pool boy peepoClap
p.s. we dont have a pool..... so you can just be the boy. my adopted son that i never wanted or know that i have.

Rich is subjective, I'm talking from my pov of rich from a mid to late 20's standpoint



Your wife's boyfriend would like to drive your LC when you're not using it :lawl:

i havent used it in like 2 months. i dont even know why the fuck i treat it like its predecessor, its not like its gonna break. Its got 9000kms on it in almost 3 years while the hitlerbox is already at 7000kms and thats only 7 months old.

This one hits hard. I remember when I first started my business that was the most common negative feedback - even with my close friends, with the same comments (a few years later). Some of these people aren't my friends anymore with how different our lifestyles had become and shifting of priorities.

Also, the doom and gloom people are usually the same type of ppl that go like "businesses are evil; I deserve more money", but don't actually know what goes into running a business, let alone the personal risk and manhours required to even keep people on payroll.

(And before someone makes a comment about my previous employment. My issue with them was that they used company funds for non-company activities, then paraded the line we need to cut costs. And I gave them way too much leeway with how they treated employees, having first hand experience with all the backend efforts to run a business.)

Edit: Also, opening a business isn't necessarily about making money. Obviously, that's the goal for any side quest hustle, but it's also about the experiences you'll gain while running this business. I obviously didn't become rich running my business, but I wouldn't trade that experience for anything. Hell, I should have taken that 20K gamble into penny stocks (scam) into running another business, that would have been way more worthwhile LOL.