[nns]

Interested to see how many recreational shooters are on this forum? Only interested in serious responses. Would like to know when and how you began, how often you practice, where you practice, etc.

[Yodamaster]

I'm into shooting, I don't have my license yet, but I've had some experience with a variety of platforms. I've mostly gone out in the wilderness with buddies that have firearms, I've visited DVC multiple times since I don't have a firearm of my own.

Other experiences have been in the United States, there are more options down south when it comes to recreational shooting. I've always liked guns, but I didn't get serious until a couple of years ago.

[Doubl3_H]

membership with PCDHFC, but havent gone out there quite enough

I just have handguns right now, im eyeing the Tavor in FDE, looks fucking sweet and its NR.

What do you have OP

[kkthind]

I thought Canadians are not allowed to have hand guns? :badpokerface:
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[z3german]

always wanted to get into it, but damn its inaccessible here.

[geeknerd]

I thought Canadians are not allowed to have hand guns? :badpokerface:
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nah its fine to have handguns. though we have restricted requirements like cant carts that load up more then 10 bullets, barrel length etc.

you need to go through program and apply for license though.

[Doubl3_H]

I thought Canadians are not allowed to have hand guns? :badpokerface:
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..oops

I said too much

[nns]

I don't have a license, have guns, or shoot. But it looks like a hobby i'd like to pick up, hence the questions.

[van_city23]

Got my license a few years ago. Don't shoot as much as I used to, actually not much at all any more. I used to go up to squamish gun club.

[JHatta]

I have my RPAL and PAL, but haven't gotten around to purchasing anything yet. Any suggestions?

[nns]

I recall somebody mentioning there's a guy out in Richmond who runs a beginner's course. Anybody remember who he is?

[supremematt85]

I have my RPAL and PAL, but haven't gotten around to purchasing anything yet. Any suggestions?
Sks or Mosin Nagant
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[T4RAWR]

i shoot...

[Lomac]

Is it wrong that I had a completely different image when I read "recreational shooter?"

[fliptuner]

Is it wrong that I had a completely different image when I read "recreational shooter?"

No midgets, asshole.

inb4 Lo misread that as midget's asshole :troll:

On topic, there's also:
http://www.pcdhfc.com/

[fT-z33wor]

I'm a member with PCDHFC as well, just got into it this year.

edit:

had my eyes set on the Daniel Defense AR this year but I under estimated the cost my bike build for this track season. So it's the bike first :lol

I currently shoot a gen4 g17

[fliptuner]

Do you know Matthew by any chance?

[fT-z33wor]

Do you know Matthew by any chance?

doesn't ring a bell? unless that wasn't directed at me!

[Hondaracer]

Firearmsafetytrainingcourse.com is located in cloverdale and they run a really good course for anyone interested in getting their PAL/RPAL

Had my PAL since I was 13 and recently wanted to get my RPAL just in case laws change etc, ended up being the only one in their Saturday course so it was me and the instructor lol had a great experience though and I'd highly recommend it for anyone interested.

Any of you guys who shoot just out in the bush locally mind sharing your spot (PM if needed) I'm just looking to bring a few friends out to sight in some rifles and I want to stay far away from gross sylvester/mission areas
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[fliptuner]

doesn't ring a bell? unless you that wasn't directed at me!

Yes it was. He goes every Thursday I believe and is practicing for some upcoming competition.

[fT-z33wor]

Yes it was. He goes every Thursday I believe and is practicing for some upcoming competition.

Hmm I have a high school friend named Mark I was recently at pcdhfc with just last weekend. I know hes pretty big on ipsc and the 3 gun comps? Usually heads south of the border a lot.

definitely unfamiliar with a Mattew though.

[falcon]

I've been shooting on and off with friends for about 2 years. Usually go out in the bush, shoot targets and clays. Last year I got a temp hunting lic. which made me go out and get my PAL and RPAL. Which I just got this week. Currently own a Browning Xbolt 30-06 and looking into a Ruger SR9 for range target.

[EmOne]

you can bring your NRs n shoot anywhere that is deemed crown land and I believe it has to be 1000m off a major hwy.
There's a spot not far from lions bay that a bunch of CGNutz go to. I'll find out more later
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[CRS]

membership with PCDHFC, but havent gone out there quite enough

I just have handguns right now, im eyeing the Tavor in FDE, looks fucking sweet and its NR.

What do you have OP

Dude, I've been eyeing the Tavor Gen2 in FDE as well. Looks like an absolute beauty. The reviews are great on it too.

It isn't that expensive either but man, I just can't justify 2.5k on a single gun at the moment.

[Shorn]

I went once to the range as a date and found it to be pretty fun. Definitely an expensive hobby but I would love it if I could afford it
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[RRxtar]

I shoot. Member of Oceola Fish and Game club in Kelowna/Lake Country but shoot 50% there, 50% in the bush.

Got into shooting originally to get a shotgun for bear defense when camping solo a million miles from anywhere, and quickly got hooked. Mainly shoot for fun, but will get into hunting in a year or 2 as well.

Currently have these 2 badboys, with a Rem700P-LTR on the way as I want to get into precision shooting to 800 yards +.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/g2mike/random/IMG_00001002_zps833182a3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/g2mike/random/IMG_00000362_zps057b46f2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/g2mike/random/boom1_zpsc5fbeb0a.jpg


Also have a scope and bipod for the SR and shoot that out to 150+ yards but its not really meant for accuracy

[lungfish23]

I shoot as well. Member of Abby. Have everything from shotguns, ARs, handguns. Precision rifles.

Got into it with trap shooting. Then worked at a tactical store and instantly got crazy into tac rifle and such.

Would love to get more into precision shooting though.
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[MindBomber]

I have a PAL and RPAL but don't take advantage of the latter at all. I strictly shoot in the bush. I don't see a lot of appeal to shooting in ranges. I got into it through going out with friends that hunt so there being guns in the camp. It's a good time. I'd suggest staying clear of the pseudo redneck shitshow that is shooting around sylvester/stave in mission if you're into going out to the bush.

[Gh0stRider]

got my PAL, but no firearms yet.

[Doubl3_H]

Dude, I've been eyeing the Tavor Gen2 in FDE as well. Looks like an absolute beauty. The reviews are great on it too.

It isn't that expensive either but man, I just can't justify 2.5k on a single gun at the moment.

doood, I want to get it so badddd, but cant hide that from the wifey.....lol

Someday I guess, I also want to build a short barrel AR......

Too many hobbies, not enough $$$

[Doubl3_H]

I'm a member with PCDHFC as well, just got into it this year.

edit:

had my eyes set on the Daniel Defense AR this year but I under estimated the cost my bike build for this track season. So it's the bike first :lol

I currently shoot a gen4 g17

lol, we're into the same hobbies.....

We should ride there on bikes and shoot guns....... that'd sweet

DD's ARs are sick, check out the DD's MK18 and PWS's MK 102, both are my dream rifles....

[PeanutButter]

Shooting gets pretty expensive.
I don't have my license, but my friend does and I've been out shooting with him three times.

Because i'm not a member at the gun range, you pay $30-35 as an entrance fee.
Then you pay for ammo.

He had an AR 15 and I think ammo for that was either 5 or 10 cents per bullet. He also had a bigger long range rifle and ammo for that was like $0.50, then his shot gun was also around $0.50 cents per round. I'm not quite sure about the numbers, but when we went to buy ammo at the store, we spent about $150 on ammo.

So the entire day cost me around $100 including ammo and the range fee. Not something I could do on the regular.

By the way, shooting the AR15 standing up was next to impossible. When you're seated and the gun is stationary, it is pretty easy. But, as soon as you stand up the cross hare feels like you're on a boat. The movies make shooting a gun look so easy, it is significantly more difficult to shoot standing up. Great experience though.

[T4RAWR]

By the way, shooting the AR15 standing up was next to impossible. When you're seated and the gun is stationary, it is pretty easy. But, as soon as you stand up the cross hare feels like you're on a boat. The movies make shooting a gun look so easy, it is significantly more difficult to shoot standing up. Great experience though.

learning to shoot off hand isnt all that hard. i shoot my bolt action cz with iron sites off hand without too much trouble. i would say that once you have the technique drilled down its practice practice practice.

cool to see so many RS'ers into shooting.

[BrRsn]

I got my RPAL/PAL in May 2013 ... since then I've been shooting with a friend and he's slowly trying to push me towards owning my own rifle (currently stuck deciding between an SKS and a 22)

People who don't take the gun course think shooting is a big joke with a bunch of rednecks running around emptying mags, but after going to a real gun range they take safety pretty seriously.

tl;dr -- don't make friends off revscene, they'll introduce you to guns and make you buy one

[T4RAWR]

I got my RPAL/PAL in May 2013 ... since then I've been shooting with a friend and he's slowly trying to push me towards owning my own rifle (currently stuck deciding between an SKS and a 22)

People who don't take the gun course think shooting is a big joke with a bunch of rednecks running around emptying mags, but after going to a real gun range they take safety pretty seriously.

tl;dr -- don't make friends off revscene, they'll introduce you to guns and make you buy one

i think semi's get boring with the 5 round mag cap. even if you're running an AR platform with the LAR15 mags its still only 10 rounds. i prefer shooting bolt guns primarily; got my eyes set on a ruger gunsite scout for some large calibre fun :fullofwin:

i'd go with the .22lr first then move onto the sks after

[DragonChi]

yeah, i plan on getting .22lr as my first calibre. ammo is cheap, easy to load. :)

I've been eyeing the gunsite too. I think getting one in .308 win and shooting military surplus 7.62 NATO would be pretty cheap too.

They're selling a canadian version on wolverine supplies. Outta my price range though. I like how it comes with a picanny rail, easy to mount scopes onto it. :) Not sure how to get scopes sighted yet. I'm thinking either a gunsmith or someone at a range would know how. I heard that the people out at the abbotsford range are real nice about it.

[Ichi]

g34
usually at pcdhfc

expensive hobby lol. haven't gone in 6 months.

[CRS]

doood, I want to get it so badddd, but cant hide that from the wifey.....lol

Someday I guess, I also want to build a short barrel AR......

Too many hobbies, not enough $$$

hahaha tell me about it.

If I end up getting one, I'll likely report back.

First one that gets it brings the other to the range.

But back to topic if you're looking to get your PAL and/or RPAL, I took mine with Silvercore and would recommend taking it with them. They have classes at different times but I ended up with a weekend one. It is also ridiculously cheap; something like 200 for the course and then you have the standard 75 to get the license via RCMP.

If you're looking to be part of a gun range, I would suggest Poco since it's pretty much the closest one and everyone there is a gun owner (more responsibility and accountability). I'm not knocking DVC but the environment is certainly different.

[RRxtar]

If you get an sks as tour first rifle be ready to buy a second one real fast. They get pretty boring after a while since they have no accuracy and are a pita with cleaning.

I'd recommend a 10/22 for a first. Learn how to shoot on 500 round boxes of ammo for $30. And shooting 200 yards with a 22 is harder than shooting 600 yards with a 308 and will teach you more.
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[CRS]

If you get an sks as tour first rifle be ready to buy a second one real fast. They get pretty boring after a while since they have no accuracy and are a pita with cleaning.

I'd recommend a 10/22 for a first. Learn how to shoot on 500 round boxes of ammo for $30. And shooting 200 yards with a 22 is harder than shooting 600 yards with a 308 and will teach you more.
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My sks gives me awesome accuracy.

[jinxcrusader]

Surprised to see some PCDHFC here members here :) My friend runs the black badge class there for IPSC

[hal0g0dv2]

I shoot my buddies polytech m14 every couple months it's pretty bad ass
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[Hondaracer]

SKS had great accuracy for what it is IMO my brother got his first two deer with one using the iron sights
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[ruthless]

hahaha tell me about it.

If I end up getting one, I'll likely report back.

First one that gets it brings the other to the range.

But back to topic if you're looking to get your PAL and/or RPAL, I took mine with Silvercore and would recommend taking it with them. They have classes at different times but I ended up with a weekend one. It is also ridiculously cheap; something like 200 for the course and then you have the standard 75 to get the license via RCMP.

If you're looking to be part of a gun range, I would suggest Poco since it's pretty much the closest one and everyone there is a gun owner (more responsibility and accountability). I'm not knocking DVC but the environment is certainly different.

+1 for silvercore, took the 2 day weekend course for PAL/RPAL and actually learned a lot. Found it fun.

I shoot. Member of Oceola Fish and Game club in Kelowna/Lake Country but shoot 50% there, 50% in the bush.

Got into shooting originally to get a shotgun for bear defense when camping solo a million miles from anywhere, and quickly got hooked. Mainly shoot for fun, but will get into hunting in a year or 2 as well.

Currently have these 2 badboys, with a Rem700P-LTR on the way as I want to get into precision shooting to 800 yards +.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/g2mike/random/IMG_00001002_zps833182a3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/g2mike/random/IMG_00000362_zps057b46f2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/g2mike/random/boom1_zpsc5fbeb0a.jpg


Also have a scope and bipod for the SR and shoot that out to 150+ yards but its not really meant for accuracy

Nice SR22, I want one :drool

[stump]

I have restricted and non restricted with half a dozen guns. We usually head up to TMSA because it's way less busy then the poco range. I've also shot at Abbotsford which is a really nice range and DVC a few times.

Sylvester Road in Mission used to have some nice gravel pits to shoot at after a drive up a gravel road but apparently it's a mess there now with people not cleaning up after themselves. Haven't been there in a few years though so maybe it has gotten better.

I wish there were some longer distances to shoot at locally. I think Poco has the longest at 200 yards. :(

[RRxtar]

What do you guys mean by great accuracy? 4moa groups? lol

It is definitely fun to have a legitimate Russian war rifle for $200. And when you stop and think about that, it is pretty cool that such a thing is even available. Something that was the main military killing machine of the Solviet and Chinese armies 50 years ago can be easily had, very cheap.

[CRS]

What do you guys mean by great accuracy? 4moa groups? lol

It is definitely fun to have a legitimate Russian war rifle for $200. And when you stop and think about that, it is pretty cool that such a thing is even available. Something that was the main military killing machine of the Solviet and Chinese armies 50 years ago can be easily had, very cheap.

Well, I would imagine that any shooter can get a 3.5 moa on it and better shooters can get 1 or 2 moa.

[stewie]

PAL/RPAL

Refuse to hunt, strictly sport shooting.

Me and the gf and friends load up the truck with 2 boxes of clays (will last all day), clay thrower, few 12 gauge shotguns, several rifles, dozens of targets + staple gun, truck full of fire wood and camping chairs and head up to stave lake. Once were about 20+ km into the mountain there's spots where you'll find areas that have been logged down and you'll find millions of empty casings on the ground...that's where most ppl shoot. After were done, head to the mud flats and have a bon fire and get muddy and put the winches and tow straps to use :p


I have shotguns, rifles/some tactical, and a couple vintage rifles from the early 1900's handed down from my grandfather to my dad to me.

Buying a kimber 1911 custom ii in stainless sometime this summer.


Shooting is fun, but can get expensive lol
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[MindBomber]

I'm curious why you refuse to hunt, stewie?

[stewie]

I enjoy shooting targets as a sport, but in the end I like animals way to much. I can't bring myself to kill one for sport just so I can mount it's antlers on my wall. Hunting a just not for me, I don't want to see an animal die....but I'll eat the food when I buy it in the grocery store..

So yeah, I won't go hunting..lol
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[MindBomber]

Interesting. Thanks for the very honest response.

[CRS]

PAL/RPAL

Refuse to hunt, strictly sport shooting.

Me and the gf and friends load up the truck with 2 boxes of clays (will last all day), clay thrower, few 12 gauge shotguns, several rifles, dozens of targets + staple gun, truck full of fire wood and camping chairs and head up to stave lake. Once were about 20+ km into the mountain there's spots where you'll find areas that have been logged down and you'll find millions of empty casings on the ground...that's where most ppl shoot. After were done, head to the mud flats and have a bon fire and get muddy and put the winches and tow straps to use :p


I have shotguns, rifles/some tactical, and a couple vintage rifles from the early 1900's handed down from my grandfather to my dad to me.

Buying a kimber 1911 custom ii in stainless sometime this summer.


Shooting is fun, but can get expensive lol
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Well there's your problem. Shooting is fun and can get really expensive if you're buying the Kimbers and Sig Sauers of the world.

:lol

Side note
Would sell body parts for some of the following:
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Sig-Sauer-Zeus.jpg
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Sig-Sauer-Barracuda.jpg
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Sig-Sauer-King-Tut.jpg

My personal favourite:
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Sig-Sauer-Alexander-The-Great.jpg

And some of the others...
http://www.sigsauer.de/englisch/mastershop/prestige/viking.html

Some organismic pictures:
http://www.guns.com/2013/06/28/the-amazing-works-of-sigs-master-engravers-photos/

[incubus]

heading out to poco right now, I find it gets pretty busy time to time you just gotta go around lunch or super early most the time I get lucky and miss the rush. I kinda like the abby range because it's more private who knows I might switch.

I've been actively shooting for about a year now running a 9mm and a Daniel defense m4v7.
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edit: theres something better than a lar, ive got 2 beowolfe mags for my ar i can fit 14 rounds :D

i love my sigs and all but thats too much bling might as well get a sailent arms for that price

[Hondaracer]

What do you guys mean by great accuracy? 4moa groups? lol

It is definitely fun to have a legitimate Russian war rifle for $200. And when you stop and think about that, it is pretty cool that such a thing is even available. Something that was the main military killing machine of the Solviet and Chinese armies 50 years ago can be easily had, very cheap.

Great accuracy to me is taking down a deer where it stands

Dgaf about groupings lol, I'll lock my 7mm into a vice and shoot targets if I want to have tight groupings but at the end of the day putting an animal down is all I care about.

Ever since I got my RPAL been really looking at the desert eagle lol, problem is the magnum research one looks pretty cheap and you can get a very nice .45 or 9mm for the price of this knock off DE
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[stewie]

OH!! Btw, I posted this in the where to buy locally thread, but I tried the suggested reply and got zilch.

Gun shops don't stock them or have extra kicking around...

I've a bushnell banner dusk&dawn multi x scope, while adjusting the windage a tiny 5mm set screw (aprox size) dropped out into the dirt and was lost....

Anyone happen to have an old damaged scope that MIGHT possibly have a screw that I could have? :p

Bushnell will replace it if I could find my receipt...
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[jlo mein]

I really recommend the shooting classes of Rob at the Abbotsford range. His website is Active Shooter (http://www.activeshooter.ca) . Trust me, you really save a lot of time, money, and bad habits by learning the fundamentals from a good instructor. Rob is a national champion sport shooter and very familiar with tactical shooting. Sometimes half his students will be law enforcement. Good training can cost $200-800/day, but Rob charges $20 for 3 hours at his weekly classes.

Fridays nights is for beginners, all handgun calibers allowed including 22. Saturdays is more advanced (no 22) and can include holster draws (no black badge required), moving targets, moving and shooting, etc. Can only go on saturdays if he approves you.

I can't recommend him enough and you don't have a lot to lose by trying it out one Friday night in Abby for $20. A lot of people (myself included) don't know how to really shoot until we get professional training.
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[supremematt85]

Get M1 Garand. Unpinned 8 round internal mag with glorious PING
M1 Garand firing & clip ejection- high speed camera-600fps slow motion - YouTube

K31 Straight bolt with Match Grade surplus ammo
K31 Swiss Rifle - YouTube

[ruthless]

^ Hickok is the man

Want a Tavor so bad
Tavor - YouTube

[DragonChi]

Yeah, bullpups can be awkward to be reload. From what I've researched..

Dude in the video alludes to the same thing...

[CRS]

Yeah, bullpups can be awkward to be reload. From what I've researched..

Dude in the video alludes to the same thing...

I would imagine it's only awkward to reload because of where you would place the mag since it is the opposite of where you would place a traditional mag. I'm sure it would take little time to get used to it.

[rsx]

Don't own any at the moment, but shoot every now and then...just borrowing friends' guns.

Love the cz-75 sp-01. Always loved the sig226, but after shooting both. I'd choose the cz.

[Hehe]

I learned shooting when I was 14. But never shoot since I moved to Canada in 2001 because of the limited options I had in Victoria.

I remembered back in the day, I went to a private shooting field with my cousin. The owner was a complete gun nut. He basically had the entire gun line-up of CS and some more. The ricochet that one feels shooting an AWP or AK47 is unreal... you'd remember it for life.

But a very expensive hobby indeed. I remember emptying a fully loaded automatic AK47 (not legal per se) and it was U$30 or something in that range. The bullet for AWP was U$4 a pop back in 1998~99. By the time I learned how to actually hit the dummy with AWP, I already blew 200 bucks. :fuckthatshit: And that plus the inevitable bruising that last a few weeks.

[geeknerd]

I learned shooting when I was 14. But never shoot since I moved to Canada in 2001 because of the limited options I had in Victoria.

I remembered back in the day, I went to a private shooting field with my cousin. The owner was a complete gun nut. He basically had the entire gun line-up of CS and some more. The ricochet that one feels shooting an AWP or AK47 is unreal... you'd remember it for life.

But a very expensive hobby indeed. I remember emptying a fully loaded automatic AK47 (not legal per se) and it was U$30 or something in that range. The bullet for AWP was U$4 a pop back in 1998~99. By the time I learned how to actually hit the dummy with AWP, I already blew 200 bucks. :fuckthatshit: And that plus the inevitable bruising that last a few weeks.

yea its hard to forget when your body is catching ricochets :derp:

yea shooting is expensive especially more if you are buying ammo at the gun ranges. the one at poco costs 32$ for 50 shots of 9mm.

[Hondaracer]

Honestly that DVC shit is a joke. Sure if it's your buddies and a one off thing ok, but it's probably cheaper to go get your PAL, buy an SKS and 1200 rounds

Don't have the variety but paying like $3 or whatecer for .45's is retarded
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[incubus]

dvc is a rip off but it's great for people wanting to try different guns before buying them.

I work at a gun shop and coworker owns a tavor and a Daniel defense m4v5, the only thing the tavor has is its non restricted, accuracy and the trigger aren't so great on the tavor and he's not anywhere near being a bad shot.

guys shooting 9mm and 22, from what I'm hearing it's getting harder to aquire
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[jlo mein]

. the one at poco costs 32$ for 50 shots of 9mm.

Does anyone else think the DVC rental range is raking in mad profits? I wonder why no one's tried to compete with them. Not only do they charge $3o entrance fee, but they make ~100-200% profit on ammo and targets. Past few times I've went they seem not to care about members at all, and only want non-members there.

[originalhypa]

Want a Tavor so bad


My shooting buddy has one, and it's great. The feel of a bullpup and the sound and smell as the mechanical and chemical interations happen right next to your head is second to none.

That's why I bought this the other day.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/hypasteve/B529BC8A-AD7A-4B78-9068-0620355F7D36_zpsfewffmel.jpg

Norinco T97NSR.
I wanted the FDE Tavor, but we try to keep away from doubles in our group. So instead I bought this, and ordered a Jericho 941.
:D

guys shooting 9mm and 22, from what I'm hearing it's getting harder to aquire
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:(

It's true.
I snagged a few thousand 22LR rounds a few months ago when the local shops got a bunch of new stock in. But we have had a hell of a time finding 9mm. Now that my rimfire stock is down, I'm finding the same issue with those too.

I miss my Luger 9mm fmj.
http://www.kygunco.com/prodimages/35039-DEFAULT-L.jpg

They're like little sculptures. It's almost a shame to shoot them.

[stewie]

Does anyone else think the DVC rental range is raking in mad profits? I wonder why no one's tried to compete with them. Not only do they charge $3o entrance fee, but they make ~100-200% profit on ammo and targets. Past few times I've went they seem not to care about members at all, and only want non-members there.



to lazy to check their site since i'll never go there...but aren't you able to bring you own firearm+ammo there if your a member or something? if not, its probably cheaper to have a truck/suv (or a friend with one), and head into crown land. the only thing i like about the port coq. gun range is that every time ive gone, the people on both sides of me offer to swap guns for a few rounds.

ps - friend i know goes there every now and then, he says that on friday/saturday nights theres a good chance you'll see hot girls fully decked out shooting with their gf's for a bridal shower/bachelorette party or before they go out downtown. any truth to that????? lol

[CRS]

to lazy to check their site since i'll never go there...but aren't you able to bring you own firearm+ammo there if your a member or something? if not, its probably cheaper to have a truck/suv (or a friend with one), and head into crown land. the only thing i like about the port coq. gun range is that every time ive gone, the people on both sides of me offer to swap guns for a few rounds.

ps - friend i know goes there every now and then, he says that on friday/saturday nights theres a good chance you'll see hot girls fully decked out shooting with their gf's for a bridal shower/bachelorette party or before they go out downtown. any truth to that????? lol

I don't think anyone would go to DVC if they had their own firearms. It's realistically a place for people who don't have their license and firearms to get their shoot on. There is nothing wrong with that but at the same time, these people also don't know the seriousness of what is happening.

The biggest thing for me is that it is an indoor range. This translates to being loud as fuck. That in combination with wannabe gangsters is just unappealing that I would not go there.

As for PoCo, it is an outdoor range! And the absolute best part? People are genuinely nice. Some things that you don't ever see anymore (or at least you find it super weird) is having people just randomly talking to you. At the range, guys will shoot the shit with who ever is around them. This includes strangers. I've had people randomly come up to me during a cease fire and talk about guns, life, wife/gf, how their guns are like their wife, etc...

And you hit it right on too. If someone is shooting next to you and you see something that peeks your interest and you talk to the guy, chances are, he will offer to let you shoot it! I saw a guy with a decked out AR-15 with an ACOG, guard rails, light, and whatever else it was and dude saw me looking over and he asked straight up "Hey man, want to try her out?" I'm absolutely floored at how nice other shooters are.

[Hondaracer]

If anyone is interested in a cool non-restricted "black gun" check out the JR carbine, comes in 9mm and .45 pistol mags, rifles with 10 rounds ftw
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[stewie]

And you hit it right on too. If someone is shooting next to you and you see something that peeks your interest and you talk to the guy, chances are, he will offer to let you shoot it! I saw a guy with a decked out AR-15 with an ACOG, guard rails, light, and whatever else it was and dude saw me looking over and he asked straight up "Hey man, want to try her out?" I'm absolutely floored at how nice other shooters are.


bout a year ago the bolt handle on my ambidextrous rifle broke loose (loc-tite and a good tightening fixed that afterwards). the guy about 3 stalls over saw me at cease fire and was asking what was wrong, so i told him. he saw that i was using 9mm and still had a few hundred rounds left, so he gave me his kimber 1911 until i was out of bullets. playing with that gun is the reason i want one now :D

(was using a jrc 9mm rifle, non restricted, fun little bugger. uses ar15 parts, ambidextrous, and can easily be converted to a .45 for cheap...other than me not screwing in the bolt tight enough when i swapped the bolt to the right side...the guns never had a problem, would recommend it as a fun bush gun)

[underscore]

I don't have my PAL/RPAL or any "real" guns yet but I get a lot of use out of my air rifles. Obviously not as powerful but still fun to target shoot and it's cheap as hell depending on what you choose to get, I think I pay something like $15 for 500 pellets. For shredding targets and such without all the complications of a gun requiring a PAL it sure works well.

[incubus]

complications? I've never had any troubles, non restricted you can walk out once it paid for, my Daniel defense ar I waited 30 mins after it was received
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[supremematt85]

I don't have my PAL/RPAL or any "real" guns yet but I get a lot of use out of my air rifles. Obviously not as powerful but still fun to target shoot and it's cheap as hell depending on what you choose to get, I think I pay something like $15 for 500 pellets. For shredding targets and such without all the complications of a gun requiring a PAL it sure works well.http://m.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/winchester-22-long-rifle-36-grain-rifle-ammunition-555-rounds-0751384p.html
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[underscore]

^ that's still twice the price :p I did not realize certain types were available that cheaply though. Damn you, now I have shopping to do :D

Complications may not be the correct term as none of it is terribly difficult to do, but you need to store and transport the gun a certain way, cleaning, etc. A non-PAL airgun is pretty easy to own.

[supremematt85]

I don't have my PAL/RPAL or any "real" guns yet but I get a lot of use out of my air rifles. Obviously not as powerful but still fun to target shoot and it's cheap as hell depending on what you choose to get, I think I pay something like $15 for 500 pellets. For shredding targets and such without all the complications of a gun requiring a PAL it sure works well.

555 rounds of .22lr is $25. Perfect varmint round.
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[fT-z33wor]

Complications may not be the correct term as none of it is terribly difficult to do, but you need to store and transport the gun a certain way, cleaning, etc. A non-PAL airgun is pretty easy to own.

Transporting just requires a LATT/long term ability to transport, your firearm registration papers (if restricted), and PAL.

storing is pretty simple, just need to be stored in an opaque case secured with a lock and a trigger lock on the actual firearm itself (or something that locks the action, or even removing the bolt for some rifles all together)

Safes are not required, but I got one anyways for peace of mind.

[CRS]

Transporting just requires a LATT/long term ability to transport, your firearm registration papers (if restricted), and PAL.

storing is pretty simple, just need to be stored in an opaque case secured with a lock and a trigger lock on the actual firearm itself (or something that locks the action, or even removing the bolt for some rifles all together)

Safes are not required, but I got one anyways for peace of mind.

It's actually even easier than that.

If your firearm is not restricted, all you need is... Your PAL.

If your firearm is restricted, you'll need a long term ATT, the registration, and your RPAL.

As for storing of your firearms:

Non-restricted: secure locking device or cabinet/room that is difficult to break into.
Restricted: secure locking device and opaque case/cabinet/room with another lock on it.

All the above will require the firearm that is unloaded.

[BrRsn]

I just don't like DVC because shooting inside feels so wrong

That .. and i don't exactly like the idea of people with no previous gun experience being handed a loaded pistol and being told "Go nuts" 2 feet away from me. I can't imagine how many times someone has pointed a pistol/rifle/shotgun to their left or right instead of only pointing directly down-range

Demographics are a bit better at PoCo too -- Last time i went me and the group of friends I went with were the only 'younger' people there, remainder were all people who looked/behaved like they were well into their late 20s/early 30s


For those of you who have SO's/GF's/Family that oppose guns, how'd you overcome it? I'm going to buy one eventually, just preparing myself for the verbal lashing from some very anti-gun cousins/friends :fuckthatshit:

[CRS]

For those of you who have SO's/GF's/Family that oppose guns, how'd you overcome it? I'm going to buy one eventually, just preparing myself for the verbal lashing from some very anti-gun cousins/friends :fuckthatshit:

When the zombie apocalypse comes just remind them that it's one man one kit.

:lol

[incubus]

take them shooting everyone that has gone shooting for the first time realize everyone is quite educated and not all people are gun slinging back country people haha
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[stewie]

take them shooting everyone that has gone shooting for the first time realize everyone is quite educated and not all people are gun slinging back country people haha
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i dunno...lol...i took the gf's brother in law up to stave lake for his first time shooting, first thing we saw while we were shooting around the 20-25km area was a group of redneck fucks beer bonging while stoned and shooting straight up into the sky. on our way out we saw an rcmp suv going up the trail...so hopefully they saw them.

[2damaxmr2]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/2damaxsupra/Savagemkii_zps7517aed2.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/2damaxsupra/media/Savagemkii_zps7517aed2.jpg.html)
Result @ 50m with CCI standard
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/2damaxsupra/Group50mPocorange_zps9c8e9890.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/2damaxsupra/media/Group50mPocorange_zps9c8e9890.jpg.html)

[incubus]

nice grouping, how long have you been shooting?

im not really big into pistol caliber carbines but everyone has preferences at the end of the day its still a pistol round and they werent meant for range but that being said if i had to choose one itd be the Beretta storm cx4

shot a type 97 it shot pretty well even though it was a norinco :P id love a tavor or try to shoot a fn f2000 but heard if you jam in a f2000 its a bitch to clear only thing is price tags i just dont see myself spending 2700k+ on a gun alone

stewie didnt know maybe a range wouldve been better haha

[MindBomber]

take them shooting everyone that has gone shooting for the first time realize everyone is quite educated and not all people are gun slinging back country people haha
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I've never met a "back country" person that's careless with guns.

It's city people that weren't raised around guns that are generally the issue.

But that's only my experience.

[incubus]

fair enough mindbomber, didnt wanna use the term redneck or anything like that, but I've seen some people shoot and handle firearms i kinda roll my eyes at and wonder how they got their pal

heres my pride and joy my second and not last ar LOL

[Zedbra]

I just passed my CORE and PAL at the end of April and sent in my paperwork....so I wait. I plan on hunting, so I am looking into a decent 7mm and also have my eye on a BPS or Supernova. I have a friend buying the Supernova, so I will try his out before deciding.

[incubus]

congrats supernovas are really nice actually any beneilli is nice haha

what was your price range? tikas are really nice ruger americans arent too bad at all for the price either

[Hondaracer]

I've got the tikka T3 7mm in the composite stock, great gun for out in the bush because it's so light can easily be carried with one hand
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[T4RAWR]

I just passed my CORE and PAL at the end of April and sent in my paperwork....so I wait. I plan on hunting, so I am looking into a decent 7mm and also have my eye on a BPS or Supernova. I have a friend buying the Supernova, so I will try his out before deciding.

I have a supernova and its is very nice. Shoots well and thr ghost ring sights surprisingly work well.

[Zedbra]

congrats supernovas are really nice actually any beneilli is nice haha

what was your price range? tikas are really nice ruger americans arent too bad at all for the price either

My price range is under a grand for the rifle, sights can be extra.

I've got the tikka T3 7mm in the composite stock, great gun for out in the bush because it's so light can easily be carried with one hand

That is a nice looking rifle - will be on my short list.

[jlo mein]

Charging with the PCV magazine - YouTube

Found this video while looking for magazines...Does this channel belong to someone on RS? Seems like asian dudes shooting in BC would be guys in this thread...

[Pooface55]

Got my Rpal last year and shoot regularly at DVC. Started to reload to save money LOL. For guys who like toys this is an extremely expensive hobby. Really close to buying a Tavor.

OP if you are serious about getting your license, look at silvercore. I did the course through them and they made it a really enjoyable experience. If you fail that course you really shouldn't own firearms IMO.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Charging with the PCV magazine - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anlpxs-v9tU)

Found this video while looking for magazines...Does this channel belong to someone on RS? Seems like asian dudes shooting in BC would be guys in this thread...

not BC. barrel's too short and he's got too many rounds.

[incubus]

we've had a 7.3 or 7.5 barrel ar the other day.

i can shoot 14 in my beowolfe mag

[fT-z33wor]

^ too many rounds yes, but we're allowed SBR's, its just they become restricted no?

I was looking at a 10.5" before just down at reliable.

[2damaxmr2]

My 10.3in with Trijicon Acog 4x32.

[incubus]

barrel length, but remember ar family is restricted due to class which is kinda dumb
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[2damaxmr2]

Ya but i can bring my guns to my work. We have the business license to possess full autos as well.

[fT-z33wor]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/2damaxsupra/mk18_zps71a0ada5.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/2damaxsupra/media/mk18_zps71a0ada5.jpg.html)
My 10.3in with Trijicon Acog 4x32.

I'm diggin the optic man, that looks like a mk18? What make
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[2damaxmr2]

Daniel Defense.

[ODStryker00]

not BC. barrel's too short and he's got too many rounds.


Definitely BC. That is the Poco Range on Burke Mountain. Range number 3 to be specific. Yes, SBRs are allowed in Canada. We're also allowed magazine with more than 5 rounds as long as the magazine are aren't classified as AR mags.

[2damaxmr2]

No bs sbr law in Canada. All AR-15 or its variant are restricted. FDE ohhh yaa.

[incubus]

thought it was a dd also

heres mine



http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s7/rainsupreme/IMG_4713.jpg

plate carrier, tanfoglio witness, and dads ak 47, yes he has prohib status

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s7/rainsupreme/IMG_4719.jpg

[2damaxmr2]

Two of my co workers have the V7. They are nice as well but i like the compactness of the mk18.

[incubus]

i love them so light, yeah a few of my buddies own mk18, alot at poco too haha

[2damaxmr2]

Not a big fan of Poco.

[incubus]

no worries not alot of people are, it's either too busy or too strict.

I don't mind anymore I just started shooting at the lower ranges

where do you shoot? I actually don't mind abby
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[2damaxmr2]

I usually go to Mission but i also have range memebership at Thompson mt and Squamish.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

^ too many rounds yes, but we're allowed SBR's, its just they become restricted no?

I was looking at a 10.5" before just down at reliable.

what's SBR?

what's the shortest barrel we can have on ARs here? hows the law work?

i think mines 16 inch.

[CRS]

not BC. barrel's too short and he's got too many rounds.

I can't say for certain but it looks like PoCo outdoor.

If you look at the guy's other videos, you can tell it is PoCo outdoor range. And when you look at that video, he has the PoCo lanyard and membership card.

Can't say anything about the barrel but the rounds would be right if he was using a beowulf 50 mag.

[rsx]

what's SBR?



short barrel rifle

[DragonChi]

Dude running and shooting kinda in the video got me nervous though.

I didn't even know there were ranges out there with no firing lines...

I'm pretty sure you're allowed short barrels than 16", they're just restricted. And to transport them anywhere is a bitch because getting an ATT in some places can be hard (you need an ATT from ?police?, letting them know when and where you're going. From what I recall in the firearms course I took)

[BrRsn]

Dude running and shooting kinda in the video got me nervous though.

I didn't even know there were ranges out there with no firing lines...

I'm pretty sure you're allowed short barrels than 16", they're just restricted. And to transport them anywhere is a bitch because getting an ATT in some places can be hard (you need an ATT from ?police?, letting them know when and where you're going. From what I recall in the firearms course I took)

they make it seem like that but if you fill out your ATT correctly you can basically take your restricted gun to the range whenever you want -- if you took the course with silvercore they will send you a half-filled out form and all you have to do is add in the specifics


edit:

Something like this?
http://members.shaw.ca/whgunners/ATT%20filled.pdf

[2damaxmr2]

Dude running and shooting kinda in the video got me nervous though.

I didn't even know there were ranges out there with no firing lines...

I'm pretty sure you're allowed short barrels than 16", they're just restricted. And to transport them anywhere is a bitch because getting an ATT in some places can be hard (you need an ATT from ?police?, letting them know when and where you're going. From what I recall in the firearms course I took)

You clearly failed your test. How the fuck did you passed the course.

[Mrblee]

home range is pcdhfc for me. im up there every second sunday for trap usually. spend a lot of time at stave as well.

[DragonChi]

You clearly failed your test. How the fuck did you passed the course.

You clearly failed english. I took the course like a year ago don't remember much of it, hell I didn't even send in my application until a week ago. You fucking cunt.

"A restricted firearm is:
- a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm;
- a semi-automatic, centre-fire rifle or shotgun with a barrel
length less than 470 mm (18.5 inches) that is not
prohibited;"

[jaguar604]

You clearly failed english. I took the course like a year ago don't remember much of it, hell I didn't even send in my application until a week ago. You fucking cunt.

"A restricted firearm is:
- a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm;
- a semi-automatic, centre-fire rifle or shotgun with a barrel
length less than 470 mm (18.5 inches) that is not
prohibited;"

ARs are restricted even if their barrel lengths are 18.5" so you might as well get a short barrel AR.

[ruthless]

ARs are restricted even if their barrel lengths are 18.5" so you might as well get a short barrel AR.

Yep, AR's are restricted by name not barrel length.
With that said there are advantages/disadvantages to each (longer/shorter barrels)

I want a DD Mk18 and M&p9...one day

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

but performance is decreased exponentially the shorter the barrel is.

i remember when I bought my AR they didn't have many choices. i could get the full length barrel, or a 16.

the 16 vs. full 20 already has a 10% reduction in velocity and accuracy. basically -10% overall less performance.

shorter barrels also have cycling problems (or more prone to).

my question is, with the velocity loss, and the shitty .223 FMJ rounds we have access to, that means the bullets wont tumble or shatter when they hit the target unless we buy .223 hollow points.

if a .223 bullet doesn't tumble or shatter when it enters the target, then you're basically just making a tiny hole in your target and your weapon is ineffective.

i mean... unless you guys just wanna blow off rounds at the range. but i got an AR-15 for a reason lol. i want the full functionality and capability of the killer round.

you guys with the ultra short barrels, do you notice any problems hitting targets out at 250-350m+?

also where and which type of .223 rounds do you guys use?

[2damaxmr2]

You clearly failed english. I took the course like a year ago don't remember much of it, hell I didn't even send in my application until a week ago. You fucking cunt.

"A restricted firearm is:
- a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm;
- a semi-automatic, centre-fire rifle or shotgun with a barrel
length less than 470 mm (18.5 inches) that is not
prohibited;"

LOL you are a stupid cunt. Copy and paste does not mean you have the sufficient knowledge to own a firearm. Maybe i should give the BC cfo a call and have them revoke your firearm license.

[fT-z33wor]

http://i.imgur.com/agJIP.gif

[RRxtar]

Shorter barrel does not always mean less accuracy, but velocity will drop. There is a delicate dance between bullet weight, rifling twist, and barrel length for accuracy.

[DragonChi]

LOL you are a stupid cunt. Copy and paste does not mean you have the sufficient knowledge to own a firearm. Maybe i should give the BC cfo a call and have them revoke your firearm license.

According to the test I took, and the knowledge I knew at the time, it does. Go ahead, your threats don't mean shit to me. Keyboard warrior. Having a PAL isn't the only legal way in this country to shoot firearms.

[2damaxmr2]

Keyboard warrior? i work in the firearm industry and i am also a licensed instructor. You are clearly an idiot with nothing to prove.

[Yodamaster]

dads ak 47, yes he has prohib status

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s7/rainsupreme/IMG_4719.jpg


So fucking jealous, I want an AK so badly. How did your father get his prohib license?

[MindBomber]

LOL you are a stupid cunt. Copy and paste does not mean you have the sufficient knowledge to own a firearm. Maybe i should give the BC cfo a call and have them revoke your firearm license.

*ring, ring*

CFO: "Hi, BC CFO's office."

mr2: "Hi, this is 2damaxmr2, I'd like DragonChi's PAl revoked because he quoted regulations verbatim rather than paraphrasing on an internet posting."

CFO: "Unfortunately, Mr. 2damaxmr2, quoting regulations verbatim rather than paraphrasing isn't grounds for revoking a PAL. Also, you seem to have forgotten that the internet isn't real life. We cannot accept complaints against screen names. Stop acting like an internet tough guy and wasting our time."

*click*

mr2: "I miss my fail button."

[Yodamaster]

Both of you stop arguing before this thread gets locked.

[DragonChi]

Agreed. I apologize for my provoking post. I wasn't up for taking any shit today.

Moving on... I just looked up the cz 858. It's now on the prohibited list :(

Wish I could've snagged one when they were available. Hopefully CZ will come out with a new model. :D

[fT-z33wor]

Here's my little pea shooter :mamoru: :gay:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/cbc-Em1/ad0e79a5-5971-4219-9700-cfff02e15c09_zps3ecae813.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/cbc-Em1/d4ba4273-3713-47a6-bb20-c0ca2ec91996_zps3bfeac47.jpg

[Yodamaster]

Can anyone school me on aquiring a specific American made firearm?

One of my goals some day is to purchase a Barrett REC7 (piston AR), but I do not know whether that is an unrealistic goal based on whether I'd ever be able to get one into the country.

[MindBomber]

Can anyone school me on aquiring a specific American made firearm?

One of my goals some day is to purchase a Barrett REC7 (piston AR), but I do not know whether that is an unrealistic goal based on whether I'd ever be able to get one into the country.

You can get them in Canada. An old co-worker got one through Wolverine Supplies.

[stewie]

what shops do you guys go to? Which have you found to have the best customer service, best prices etc?

For me it's wanstalls in maple ridge and reliable gun in vancouver.

Any shops you guys have been to that you don't like? And why?
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[stump]

what shops do you guys go to? Which have you found to have the best customer service, best prices etc?

For me it's wanstalls in maple ridge and reliable gun in vancouver.

Any shops you guys have been to that you don't like? And why?
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I usually go to Reliable which has great customer service. Italian is pretty good too.

I also recently found Eagle Hunting Supplies in Richmond which had friendly staff that helped me out a lot when I went there. I'll definitely go back.

Leverarms is terrible. The staff is really rude and I recommend to avoid it no matter what. Pay more elsewhere and give your hard earned money to people that deserve it.

[T4RAWR]

my experience with italian was super fucking shitty.

i actually prefer going to lever over italian.

[incubus]

you can always get a csa they aren't prohibited... who knows what'snext llol
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[stewie]

my experience with italian was super fucking shitty.

i actually prefer going to lever over italian.

from what ive seen they've got higher prices.


ps - wanstalls is the first shop in canada to finance a gun i believe lol. get the gun you've always wanted without having to save up fully for it :p monthly payments are awesome! (i would never do it though lol, id go shopping crazy)

[ruthless]

Agreed. I apologize for my provoking post. I wasn't up for taking any shit today.

Moving on... I just looked up the cz 858. It's now on the prohibited list :(

Wish I could've snagged one when they were available. Hopefully CZ will come out with a new model. :D

I believe only the ones made after 2007 are prohibited. Also you could get a VZ 58, its newer and fairly similar, many find it better.

Apparently Wolverwine Supplies is working on a CZ 958 :whistle:

[incubus]

So fucking jealous, I want an AK so badly. How did your father get his prohib license?


yeah im pretty jealous he got grandfather status, was in possession of the ak before it got prohibited status says he kicks himself every time because he couldve got the dragonov too.

as of shops eagle is a good shop, some of the staff is fairly new or maybe didnt understand english very well but ricky is very helpful and dont mind stopping by. reliable is good too always seems to be busy everytime i pass by, i have yet to visit wanstalls maybe cause i dont have money to spend yet :(

[DragonChi]

Nice! Didn't know about the VZ58, aaaand another one to add to the wishlist. haha.

I've heard about that too, but I don't think I'd hold my breath until I actually see one for sale.

[Hondaracer]

people who know more than i do may correct me, but i beleive when i took my RPAL the instructor said that weapons made after uhhh..46 cannot be grandfathered?

basically the guy said when he knew he was going to die or if he did his guns would get "stolen" ie. passed to family

ive shot the CZ before, personally i dont think it's worth it i'd much prefer to buy the JR Carbine, etc

Does anyone have any experiance with ranges in Vegas? anywhere to shoot the Barrett .50?

as well, do ranges there allow you to shoot auto or semi auto guns whole magaginzes or belts? ie. just holding the trigger down for all your ammo on somthing like an M249?

[incubus]

from what I've heard Noone else can get prohibited status, but you can own a prohibited rifle as long as it's decommissioned I'm not too sure on pistols, then again I can be wrong
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[rsx]

What's everyone's thoughts on a .22LR as home defense.

I know it's a very contentious issue, just wondering how you guys feel about it?

I've shot pretty much all handgun calibres. But I can only imagine my ears blowing out inside my house if I shot a 9mm.

[Yodamaster]

Does anyone have any experiance with ranges in Vegas? anywhere to shoot the Barrett .50?

as well, do ranges there allow you to shoot auto or semi auto guns whole magaginzes or belts? ie. just holding the trigger down for all your ammo on somthing like an M249?

There are a couple that let you do some extreme shooting, as in firing an automatic .50 cal mounted on a moving military Humvee. They practically come to you with the info when you're in vegas and you so much as show an interest in it.


What's everyone's thoughts on a .22LR as home defense.

I know it's a very contentious issue, just wondering how you guys feel about it?

I've shot pretty much all handgun calibres. But I can only imagine my ears blowing out inside my house if I shot a 9mm.


There is a reason why .22LR firearms are considered firearms, they can seriously injure humans regardless of what some people say about the ballistics. It's a perfectly good caliber for home defense if it's paired with the right platform, you just have to be aware that it will either have trouble with, or completely fail at penetrating a decent vest. It is also suited to home defense since it is not as powerful as some other cartriges, therefore you run less of a risk of killing your neighbour.

[Airtrackz]

Does anyone have experience with Italian Sporting Good's online store? Is everything that is online also at the store? They seem to have guns in stock that no other store in Vancouver does.

[incubus]

before we get into the whole home defense and everything it's illegal to point a gun at anyone, and if you end up shooting someone breaking in they probably have ever more rights then you, who knows I'd never wanna find out, it's kinda dumb how we don't have the right to bare arms like Americans.

I've heard a lot of shootings happen with 22 because projectile is harder to match to the barrel and etc.

this is all hearsay I'm no expert
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[ruthless]

before we get into the whole home defense and everything it's illegal to point a gun at anyone, and if you end up shooting someone breaking in they probably have ever more rights then you, who knows I'd never wanna find out, it's kinda dumb how we don't have the right to bare arms like Americans.

I've heard a lot of shootings happen with 22 because projectile is harder to match to the barrel and etc.

this is all hearsay I'm no expert
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Yep, and you cannot legally own a firearm for home defense (if you answer that on your PAL application/interview you will fail it).

For those interested read up on the Iam Thomson case (he fired some shots as attackers were running away from firebombing his house). The gov't had his ass, lengthy court battles, etc.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/01/04/matt-gurney-after-two-years-judge-acquits-man-who-defended-himself-with-a-gun/


Side note: Incubus can your dad not pass on his prohib status onto you?
12.6 or 12.7?

[DragonChi]

It might not be a human, but here's a 22 on a squirrel. The right shot placement, and it would probably take down a person.

Squirrel vs 22 Rifle - YouTube

I'm happy to say that this isn't the states and we're not allowed to shoot intruders. If you're being robbed in your home. call the police and don't confront the robbers.

In Canada, defense with a firearm is considered, from what I recall in my law course is if you're in mortal danger. Otherwise if you fight someone, you gotta be on equal footing. like bat vs bat, fists vs fists.

Feel free to correct me if this is mis-information.

Whoa, apparently, you can fire warning shots, but expect a charge and acquittal, according to what happened in the link above.

Did a bit more research, here's a link with some situations and answers to defense.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/self-defence-what-s-acceptable-under-canadian-law-1.1229180

tl;dr

it's a grey area, you're allowed to use "reasonable force".

[underscore]

it's kinda dumb how we don't have the right to bare arms like Americans.Posted via RS Mobile

On the flip side I think it's dumb how easy it is for Americans with no clue what they are doing to bare arms, think of how many stupid accidental shootings they have. I'm not entirely sure why defense has to be lethal anyways, there are a lot of ways to defend yourself that are non lethal yet very effective.

[threezero]

Holy fuvk poor squirrel

[incubus]

Side note: Incubus can your dad not pass on his prohib status onto you?
12.6 or 12.7?

unfortunately its after 1946, either i sell it to someone with a prohib status/collector status or inoperable to fire= heard of people keeping it having bolts or receivers modified

which is kinda dumb imo one day all those with prohib status will one day disappear

the firearms act needs to be rewritten and updated.

ars got restricted by class, aks aug spas uzis etc got prohibited yet 50bmg is legal

[MindBomber]

before we get into the whole home defense and everything it's illegal to point a gun at anyone, and if you end up shooting someone breaking in they probably have ever more rights then you, who knows I'd never wanna find out, it's kinda dumb how we don't have the right to bare arms like Americans.

I've heard a lot of shootings happen with 22 because projectile is harder to match to the barrel and etc.

this is all hearsay I'm no expert
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The Americans' second ammendment is an appropriation of logic that's relevant to an era that ended centuries ago. It's not relevant to contemporary pro-gun self-defense. Canadian laws aren't ideal, but they're a hell of a lot better than the Americans ammendment. What's everyone's thoughts on a .22LR as home defense.

I know it's a very contentious issue, just wondering how you guys feel about it?

I've shot pretty much all handgun calibres. But I can only imagine my ears blowing out inside my house if I shot a 9mm.

To be honest. If you're in a position where you're preparing to shoot a person your worries should not be over a bit of ringing in your ears.
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[incubus]

The Americans' second ammendment is an appropriation of logic that's relevant to an era that ended centuries ago. It's not relevant to contemporary pro-gun self-defense. Canadian laws aren't ideal, but they're a hell of a lot better than the Americans ammendment.

To be honest. If you're in a position where you're preparing to shoot a person your worries should not be over a bit of ringing in your ears.
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you're right just wishful thinking,

but heres a picture taken from Canada's national firearm association

https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/1920376_591771497557617_1065404292_n.jpg

[DragonChi]

^ I think "civilian for personal protection" in that letter means against wild life.

[incubus]

you can always carry a shotgun which would be more effective against a bear
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[underscore]

Maybe I'm just tired but what's an ATC?

[ruthless]

Maybe I'm just tired but what's an ATC?

Authorization to Carry

[incubus]

authorization to carry
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[DragonChi]

Authorization to Carry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An Authorization to Carry [ATC] is a permit issued by the government of Canada under the Firearms Act. An ATC allows an individual to lawfully possess a restricted, or a specific class of, prohibited firearm that is loaded or possessed with readily accessible ammunition.

True incubus. I guess I was just speculating what specific reasons those ATCs were issued for.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/wild-sauvage-eng.htm

[MindBomber]

you can always carry a shotgun which would be more effective against a bear
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I think DragonChi is correct that "civilian for personal protection" includes bears, moose, etc. The figure seems too high to be strictly protection against people.

A note on protection against bears. The stats suggests the effectiveness is 98% for spray, 84% for handguns, 76% for long guns. I linked to the article below. I personally always have spray and occasionally have a shotgun too.

Shoot or Spray: The Best Way to Stop a Charging Bear | Nature | OutsideOnline.com (http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/nature/Shoot-or-Spray.html)

[falcon]

Agreed. I apologize for my provoking post. I wasn't up for taking any shit today.

Moving on... I just looked up the cz 858. It's now on the prohibited list :(

Wish I could've snagged one when they were available. Hopefully CZ will come out with a new model. :D

Well TECHNICALLY it's not really prohibited since the RCMP has ZERO jurisdiction when it comes to banning firearms... :whistle:

The Govn't is dealing with the specific issue right now. Silly to know that the reason this gun is in the hot seat is because two shops that sold them were telling customers that the other shop's guns had prohibited items on it... Stupid shops lying to make a sale ended up affecting 9300 CZ owners. At $700 a pop that's 6.5 million dollars of tax payer money.

[falcon]

I think DragonChi is correct that "civilian for personal protection" includes bears, moose, etc. The figure seems too high to be strictly protection against people.

A note on protection against bears. The stats suggests the effectiveness is 98% for spray, 84% for handguns, 76% for long guns. I linked to the article below. I personally always have spray and occasionally have a shotgun too.

Shoot or Spray: The Best Way to Stop a Charging Bear | Nature | OutsideOnline.com (http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/nature/Shoot-or-Spray.html)


First shot with buck then two slugs. Then hope and pray you didn't miss.... :concentrate:

[Hondaracer]

The BC forest service actually lays that out for their surveyors etc

The proper load for bear protection are alternating bird shot with slugs, figuring you blind a bear then put a slug in it
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[jlo mein]

A note on protection against bears. The stats suggests the effectiveness is 98% for spray, 84% for handguns, 76% for long guns. I linked to the article below. I personally always have spray and occasionally have a shotgun too.

Shoot or Spray: The Best Way to Stop a Charging Bear | Nature | OutsideOnline.com (http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/nature/Shoot-or-Spray.html)

I read the article and highly question the statistics presented. First, it openly states that the study is being widely circulated by people with an agenda: those "looking to reduce unnecessary bear killings". The article even admits the study does not take into consideration the circumstances of each bear encounter, and "No bear encounter is identical, and the number of variables, from type of terrain to equipment malfunction, vary significantly from incident to incident". It only accounts for situations in which each was used (spray, handguns, long guns), and the result of if the bear was turned away or not.

This is important because I imagine as a lethal option, a person would only employ a firearm against a bear when the bear presents itself aggressively and is likely a dangerous threat. I would argue against this study that people would be more likely to employ non-lethal bear spray against a bear who is not posing a threat or acting aggresively. Therefore this study is useless if it doesn't account for each specific situation.

The biggest concern is the data includes encounters with 357 bears, a mix of black, brown, and polar bears, but does not catagorize the data based on bear type or bear size/weight. I would like to know which method was most effective against the largest and most dangerous bears, data the study does not give us.

I cannot access the study directly without purchasing it, but the study abstract seems to indicate many of the bear encounters with firearms carriers involved the person also being in proximity to hunted/fished game. This could greatly influence a bear's behaviour compared to a person not near any open food.

[underscore]

Spray requires less accuracy and skill than a gun though.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

for you guys that shoot 223... where and what type of round do you buy (grain, FMJ, hollow etc)? and prices?

[Pooface55]

What's everyone's thoughts on a .22LR as home defense.

I know it's a very contentious issue, just wondering how you guys feel about it?



I think it would be very good due to low recoil and easy to get multiple shots off easily. But I feel 22lr firearms are less reliable. So not sure if you would want to use it if your life depended on it.

[incubus]

for you guys that shoot 223... where and what type of round do you buy (grain, FMJ, hollow etc)? and prices?


I shoot norinco surplus fmj it's great and paper can't tell the difference
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[BrRsn]

What's everyone's thoughts on a .22LR as home defense.

I know it's a very contentious issue, just wondering how you guys feel about it?

I've shot pretty much all handgun calibres. But I can only imagine my ears blowing out inside my house if I shot a 9mm.

A bit late to the party but:

How far will a .22 LR Kill? - YouTube

but if you store your gun legally it's probably easier to grab a bat/blunt object and deal with the intruder ... that and you'd end up in prison. It sucks, but in Canada there's no castle laws

[T4RAWR]

for the longest time the israeli mossad carried .22lr pistols, specifically the beretta 70/71's

with the right shot placement .22lr is just as lethal as any other calibre for a kill shot imo (something like cci mini mags would be a good choice).

for home defence though i'd be grabbing a pistol grip shotgun loaded with low recoil 00 buckshot. in a pistol i'd be looking for something in .40s&w or .357. m&p, glock, sig, etc.

i have a friend who worked in the field quite a bit for transport canada and his shotgun was loaded 00, slug, 00, slug, 00.

[falcon]

A bit late to the party but:

How far will a .22 LR Kill? - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUM1r_444CY)

but if you store your gun legally it's probably easier to grab a bat/blunt object and deal with the intruder ... that and you'd end up in prison. It sucks, but in Canada there's no castle laws

You mean it's GOOD that there are no castle laws in Canada. Otherwise we would be USA North.

[SolidPenguin]

for you guys that shoot 223... where and what type of round do you buy (grain, FMJ, hollow etc)? and prices?

I also shoot Norc surplus 55gr fmj for most things. Out of bolt gun and AR, but cant find any 69gr rounds locally for more long range targets.

On another note, just finished this last night.

http://i.imgur.com/tSSitgk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Tje270A.jpg

[incubus]

nice build what is it?

how do you like the eotech? buis not cowitness?
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[RRxtar]

Its funny, everyone, including me and my friends, always put some form of effectiveness of end of the world / zombies / home invasion into our decision making regarding firearms, camping gear, etc, as if it holds a legitimate value among categories like cost/reliability/performance/looks.

But talking about home defense is seriously ridiculous, imo. Everyone thinks they are a billy bad ass swat member but in the 0.00001% likelyhood you going to be home and targetted for a home invasion, you're more likely to piss your pants and cry in panic than be capable of tactically countering the home invasion.

Plus, good luck getting your keys which are probably in a room that your firearms aren't, unlocking your firearms, then getting your ammo, which isn't stored with the firearm, loading your firearm, and then confronting the home invaders (usually not 1), in less time than it takes them to run up the stairs and fuck your shit up.

This isn't america where you can have your handgun under your pillow ready to roll.

And IF you did use that weapon, you're spending your life in prison and ruining your family anyway NO MATTER WHAT so why even bother.

If you put "home defense" on your PAL application, they will deny you.

[Hondaracer]

Anyone who buys a gun specifically for "home defense" is an idiot, I'm sorry.

I've been hunting and around guns all my life and to me it's scary when people who weren't raised with them start getting their PAL etc. I've found almost to a person people who get their licenses later in life have a level of respect that makes me not want to be anywhere near them with firearms.
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[SolidPenguin]

nice build what is it?

how do you like the eotech? buis not cowitness?
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Its just a Norc AR with a Troy VTAC Alpha Rail and some bits and pieces on it.

I like the Eotech cause this version takes AA's and I like the Ring/Dot reticle. Some people have issues with the battery life and may not like the reticle, but I also like the holographic aspect of it, just the way it is projected onto the glass. And crystal clear optics instead of a bit tinted like most other red dots.

BUIS do co witness with the eotech, but I just thought i'd try out the canted irons.

[supremematt85]

Its funny, everyone, including me and my friends, always put some form of effectiveness of end of the world / zombies / home invasion into our decision making regarding firearms, camping gear, etc, as if it holds a legitimate value among categories like cost/reliability/performance/looks.

But talking about home defense is seriously ridiculous, imo. Everyone thinks they are a billy bad ass swat member but in the 0.00001% likelyhood you going to be home and targetted for a home invasion, you're more likely to piss your pants and cry in panic than be capable of tactically countering the home invasion.

Plus, good luck getting your keys which are probably in a room that your firearms aren't, unlocking your firearms, then getting your ammo, which isn't stored with the firearm, loading your firearm, and then confronting the home invaders (usually not 1), in less time than it takes them to run up the stairs and fuck your shit up.

This isn't america where you can have your handgun under your pillow ready to roll.

And IF you did use that weapon, you're spending your life in prison and ruining your family anyway NO MATTER WHAT so why even bother.

If you put "home defense" on your PAL application, they will deny you.
Cool story bro
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[rsx]

It's different in Manila.

In the short time I've been here, 3 different neighbours got jacked at gun point, my cousin's store got robbed and a gun fire exchange outside my complex.

Guns are pretty much necessary tools out here in the shit.

[ruthless]

Its funny, everyone, including me and my friends, always put some form of effectiveness of end of the world / zombies / home invasion into our decision making regarding firearms, camping gear, etc, as if it holds a legitimate value among categories like cost/reliability/performance/looks.

But talking about home defense is seriously ridiculous, imo. Everyone thinks they are a billy bad ass swat member but in the 0.00001% likelyhood you going to be home and targetted for a home invasion, you're more likely to piss your pants and cry in panic than be capable of tactically countering the home invasion.

Plus, good luck getting your keys which are probably in a room that your firearms aren't, unlocking your firearms, then getting your ammo, which isn't stored with the firearm, loading your firearm, and then confronting the home invaders (usually not 1), in less time than it takes them to run up the stairs and fuck your shit up.

This isn't america where you can have your handgun under your pillow ready to roll.

And IF you did use that weapon, you're spending your life in prison and ruining your family anyway NO MATTER WHAT so why even bother.

If you put "home defense" on your PAL application, they will deny you.

Don't get me wrong I agree with all your points...

but just for fun: lock the rooms door, guns(without a trigger lock) would be in a safe with a pin pad combo lock (no keys), magazines already loaded with ammo(not in the gun), so just open the safe grab the gun+magazines and you're ready to go :whistle:

Once again agree completely that chances are you won't be able to get your gun, even if you do and shoot at intruders you will most likely get arrested/charged for doing so.

[ruthless]

It's different in Manila.

In the short time I've been here, 3 different neighbours got jacked at gun point, my cousin's store got robbed and a gun fire exchange outside my complex.

Guns are pretty much necessary tools out here in the shit.

pics?

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Its funny, everyone, including me and my friends, always put some form of effectiveness of end of the world / zombies / home invasion into our decision making regarding firearms, camping gear, etc, as if it holds a legitimate value among categories like cost/reliability/performance/looks.

But talking about home defense is seriously ridiculous, imo. Everyone thinks they are a billy bad ass swat member but in the 0.00001% likelyhood you going to be home and targetted for a home invasion, you're more likely to piss your pants and cry in panic than be capable of tactically countering the home invasion.

Plus, good luck getting your keys which are probably in a room that your firearms aren't, unlocking your firearms, then getting your ammo, which isn't stored with the firearm, loading your firearm, and then confronting the home invaders (usually not 1), in less time than it takes them to run up the stairs and fuck your shit up.

This isn't america where you can have your handgun under your pillow ready to roll.

And IF you did use that weapon, you're spending your life in prison and ruining your family anyway NO MATTER WHAT so why even bother.

If you put "home defense" on your PAL application, they will deny you.

what about this situation.

i know people who have had their houses broken into while they were there. they didn't have guns, but they ran out with bats or katanas (lol). this of course scared the perpetrator away.

but what if the perpetrator had a knife? wouldn't your gun be justified? you wouldn't need to shoot them. but it's a display of aggression. most people would just flee when they see a gun. and if they lunge at you with the knife, you have the right to blow them away. especially if you have a witness or if you have cuts to prove.

right?

i think most people don't follow lock laws 100%. lol most people i know don't. they can be locked and loaded in like 35 seconds or less.

like honestly, if someone broke in and they had a deadly weapon... i would have some hesitation shooting them, but if they were aggressive and didn't look like they'd back down, i would just blow em away. the prison time is worth the risk taken otherwise. it's just prison man. i'd rather be in prison than dead. lol.

[SolidPenguin]

My safe is easily accessible by me, with the key/keypad. There are several loaded magazines in there(mainly cause Im lazy and dont want to empty them by hand after using them) and can grab something in there, lock and load it in under 15 seconds, if Im trying to.

I dont even have to actually use it to deter or drive someone that is trying to break into my home. Just having it in my hand pointing at them should be enough. Heck even a warning shot into the floor should be convincing enough. Hella loud in a confined space like that. If they are still very aggressive and are threatening myself or my family immediately with no signs of backing down, I will shoot if they attack. I will rather face the consequences than having not tried to protect my family.

The self defense laws in Canada has been amended and somewhat updated in recent years. Protecting yourself or your dwelling with force is legally allowed in Canada. It all depends on the use of force. If they are continually trying to attack/harm you, you have the right to defend yourself, with deadly force if need be.
Example: Guy breaks into your house, you knocked him out, call the cops, probably will not be charged with assault.

Example2: Guys breaks in, sees you, turns and runs away but you chase him down and hit him over the head with a bat. Then you would almost always be charged with something.

It is all about the context of what is happening at the time force was used, and why.

All in all, if someone broke into my house and charged at me/my family with a knife I would not hesitate to shoot. Every situation is different, and will be judged accordingly, but I wont go around just blasting rounds at whoever knocks on my door.

[RRxtar]

Again, everyone thinks they can handle the situation, yet when the situation arises, nearly everyone will be overwhelmed with panic and adrenalin and likely pee their pants instead of do anything.

Almost everyone says "If I was in this situation, and some guy did this, Id knock his ass out :accepted:" but none of these people even make a peep when situations arise. :okay:

[underscore]

Its funny, everyone, including me and my friends, always put some form of effectiveness of end of the world / zombies / home invasion into our decision making regarding firearms, camping gear, etc, as if it holds a legitimate value among categories like cost/reliability/performance/looks.

But talking about home defense is seriously ridiculous, imo. Everyone thinks they are a billy bad ass swat member but in the 0.00001% likelyhood you going to be home and targetted for a home invasion, you're more likely to piss your pants and cry in panic than be capable of tactically countering the home invasion.

Plus, good luck getting your keys which are probably in a room that your firearms aren't, unlocking your firearms, then getting your ammo, which isn't stored with the firearm, loading your firearm, and then confronting the home invaders (usually not 1), in less time than it takes them to run up the stairs and fuck your shit up.

This isn't america where you can have your handgun under your pillow ready to roll.

And IF you did use that weapon, you're spending your life in prison and ruining your family anyway NO MATTER WHAT so why even bother.

If you put "home defense" on your PAL application, they will deny you.

Even in america where you can keep your gun under the pillow, again assuming the very slim odds stack against you and you're the target of a home invasion (seriously, when the hell is the last time you heard of one that didn't involve gangbangers or drugs?), the bad guys always have a jump on you because they're the only ones who know what is going to happen. By the time you wake up and begin to process what in the fuck that noise was buddy is already up the stairs and in your face.

If you DO want some kind of home protection that won't get you in shit, take up golf (stay with me here). Keep a putter and a couple golf balls under the bed, if someone breaks in crack them with the putter and take out the golf balls. Say you couldn't sleep and were fiddling around putting when buddy broke in, you panicking and thwacked him with the club. That is easily believable but midnight target practice or baseball practice, not so much.

Anyone who buys a gun specifically for "home defense" is an idiot, I'm sorry.

I've been hunting and around guns all my life and to me it's scary when people who weren't raised with them start getting their PAL etc. I've found almost to a person people who get their licenses later in life have a level of respect that makes me not want to be anywhere near them with firearms.
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That sounds all well and good but if we weren't raised around guns we're what, not supposed to get a PAL?

[Hondaracer]

Not at all, I encourage anyone interested to do so

However, IMO if you're new to firearms you should be even more attentive and careful, yet like I said in my experience the majority of people who get their PAL later in life seem to have a completely careless attitude once their card arrives
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[originalhypa]

I agree with you Hondaracer. There are a lot of guys I know who I won't go shooting with. I love those bros, but don't trust them around high powered weapons. Everyone needs to be cogniscant of the rules because with guns there are few second chances.

Also, why did a recreational shooter thread turn into 2 pages about home defense. We don't live in Manila people, and unless you have a massive grow op in your basement chances are no one is going to kick down your door for your crappy LCD tv.

I was able to find stats on crime in BC in 2012, and it was down to 77 incidents per 1000 people. That's equal to what crime was in the 70's. The truth is that you're more likely to shoot someone you love by accident, than a robber in your home. That is a fact, and been proven numerous times in the US and South Africa (cough -Pistoriuous- cough). So let's get this thread back on topic.

Anyway.....
I took out my T97 for some recreation shooting the other day, and had a pretty good time.

Brought my new target out.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/hypasteve/8F05A371-3E64-43CD-8105-A35CCBB2D64A_zpsfwvbmnib.jpg

It's AR500 steel plate mounted to a stand with high grade steel wire. I thought it should be strong enough to take some 5.56 rounds at 75 yards.

Then my buddy shot it with his 30-06.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/hypasteve/4F92CD32-D67F-40A8-A2F4-B9E011F90C8B_zpsb4w9isln.jpg

:heckno:

I was able to get it back up and running and spent the rest of the day plinking the 6" target from a good distance. I love an audible target that is self resetting. Especially when you're looking at 25-30 minutes between green lights at the range on a busy day.

The iron sights are raw. Good for close range, but past 75 or so yards you better get a proper optic.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/hypasteve/ED4A6C09-9728-4F39-876E-836525358075_zpsll5my1pb.jpg

Had a couple issues with my feed ramp too.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/hypasteve/ADC3B5A1-DA7E-4F33-9870-12993474830D_zpswwrq2nbu.jpg

It happened with the stock mag and the crappy Remington ammo. The chinese stuff worked well, and the high end American and Czech ammo was awesome. I loved the 10 round LAR mag too.

All in all, I'm happy with the T97. It's cheap to feed, didn't even put a dent in my budget, and is a lot of fun to shoot.

But it's a paper puncher at best. I definately wouldn't grab this as my only gun if I was in Grizzly territory.

[Soundy]

Anyone shoot up West Stave?

Mounties step up patrols at Stave Lake - Mission City Record (http://www.missioncityrecord.com/news/256720421.html)

[trollface]

I sks all day every day

[incubus]

nice, t97 shoot nice but not a fan of the ergonomics and never am a fan of any guns with carry handles.

how did you get the steel? expensive?

i got one of these bad boys excited to shoot maybe Thursday

GX2 Self-Healing Silhouette Targets - YouTube

i was at poco sun got pretty busy thankfully i can shoot at the lower ranges now

[SolidPenguin]

Press Check Ventures just started orders for their next batch of PCV-50 mags in. Due to ship first or second week of may. Just ordered a couple myself

These are the .50 Beowulf magazines pinned to 5. Those that follow 5.56/.223 guns that take stanag mags know what im talking about

[incubus]

^love them, 14 rounds :D zero problems with my ar

[incubus]

anyone here reload?
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[originalhypa]

Anyone shoot up West Stave?

I have some buddies that shoot up at Stave, and like the officer said, it's the wild, wild, west out there.

I sks all day every day

Me too.
Let's be friends.
:D

nice, t97 shoot nice but not a fan of the ergonomics and never am a fan of any guns with carry handles.

I'm new to military gear, and am happy as hell with my T97. It is a chinese POS, I will agree. The other night I was having trouble with the sear assembly, only to find one of the undersized pins came out of the fllimsy pot metal sear carrier. That said, it does a lot of things very well. I'm not going to put any money into the T97. But it will be a fun shooter for a while.

I've actually been eyeing up AR's lately. Canadian or American AR's. No more Norc in my safe.
:whistle:

how did you get the steel? expensive?

I got my steel from these guys in Ladner.

Search Results : Taccessories Canada, Tactical Hunting and Shooting Accessories, Grips, Stocks, Knives, Flashlights, Firearm Accessories (http://taccessories.ca/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&keyword=RTC)

I'm into what I have above for about $140, including some extra steel for the legs. They tend to take a beating.

I'm going to grab another 8" soon. I really like the gongs, and a pair of them would allow for shooting at different distances without needing a green light, or a 300 yard bush walk.



i got one of these bad boys excited to shoot maybe Thursday

GX2 Self-Healing Silhouette Targets - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyRZCXovesg)

i was at poco sun got pretty busy thankfully i can shoot at the lower ranges now

Poco is a gong show, especially on the weekends. I shoot in Abbotsford, and there was some serious gear there on Saturday. More Tavors than I could count, a bunch of AR's, and a Kriss Vector. Not to mention a ton of cool handguns, and what appeared to be a semi auto converted Mac 11 machine pistol.
:suspicious:


anyone here reload?
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Used to.
It was a lot of fun, and gave you the option to mix and match your load. We used to make 9mm rubber rounds that used the primer to fire a rubber cap. It was great for training, as we used to shoot in our basement during the winter.

[incubus]

cool saw some gong setups around 160 I think I'll take a look later.

I kinda love Abby would be down to go just hit me up when you go, I also go with a buddy who a member there it's more calm and chill there, but as of now I don't mind poco since I can shoot at the lower ranges.

put a couple rounds through my Daniel defense you'll love it

that pistol uzi was probably a brs99 non restricted also it has a nice barrel and shroud
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[originalhypa]

I'd love to shoot a Daniel Defense. With all my experience, it's a shame that I've never shot an AR chassis gun. They're the epitome of the black rifle, and there are so many different flavors these days. I will build an AR one day. But until then it would be cool to shoot one.

You're right about the BRS too. After googling up an image I found them for sale on CGN.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8094/23713447.jpg

Not a bad way to spend $1699. It wasn't bad for accuracy, but the look and ergonomics of the gun was worth every penny.



Today would have been a great day for the range. Too bad I'm stuck at work.....

Do you shoot during the week?
I usually head out on a monday or wednesday morning, as the range is quiet. Plus if I get their quick enough, I can be the RO and call green lights as often as I want.
:D

[SpartanAir]

Anyone have experience with Xarms? I'm shooting a film in June and want to get my Firearms Safety Course. They seem decent. Would like my license too but don't have the time.

[incubus]

everyone needs a ar, I try to go mon or Fri poco just started night hours so it'll be fun to see fireballs haha

[pb.kidz]

Any recommendations on a cheap AR? under $1000. I don't need anything fancy just for recreational shooting. I've been eyeing the Domminian arms one for about $700.

My collection is:
Walther p99 9mm
Grizzly 12G
mossberg 715t

[incubus]

depends on how much youre really willing to spend? honestly ive owned a bushmaster and upgraded to a Daniel defense no regrets, but people who end up buying 1100 arent too bad lots of competition core15, m&p15, windham and olympic arms are doing really well

The Death Of The Norinco CQA 556 - Sorry Boys..It's Over - YouTube

how do you like the walther? havent shot any of their pistols but i want too

[pb.kidz]

depends on how much youre really willing to spend? honestly ive owned a bushmaster and upgraded to a Daniel defense no regrets, but people who end up buying 1100 arent too bad lots of competition core15, m&p15, windham and olympic arms are doing really well

The Death Of The Norinco CQA 556 - Sorry Boys..It's Over - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DyRfHzvwkc)

how do you like the walther? havent shot any of their pistols but i want too

Awesome vid thanks.

P99 is a great gun, light weight, good feel to it. Always been my dream gun since I was a kid watching james bond :D

[incubus]

germans make great guns eh haha

i think ill save up for a sig or ruger take down next, kinda hard because i wanna keep putting parts on my ar or keep buying more ammo haha

[incubus]

anyone hit the range lately?

[originalhypa]

Shit man, it's killing me not going out to the range. I hit up Canadian tire yesterday and bought a hard rifle case for $20. I'm thinking if work isn't busy today I'll head out. I've got a ton of 5.56 and 7.62 to blow off.

[evlee]

renewed my membership, heading up Poco this weekend.

22, 223, 308, 9mm, slugs, packed and looking forward on playing with the toys!!

[incubus]

nice, I'm running low on ammo

2 weeks without going shooting feels like ages haha

possibly hitting up Abby sun any other time I'm at poco

[Mrblee]

anyone coming up to the zombie 3 gun shoot at poco on june 1? ill be up there for the set up and the shoot.

[incubus]

I was contemplating doing it how do you think it'll be set up? any older videos?

[Mrblee]

I was contemplating doing it how do you think it'll be set up? any older videos?

i assume fairly fun oriented. Round counts are Pistol 58, Shotgun 30, Rifle 45. No more than 3 magazines rifle or pistol and shotgun most shotshells is 12. also no black badge or holster course required.

[pb.kidz]

anyone do IPSC? Id like to get into that

[incubus]

i think i wanna try those tact matches first at thompson

id rather do idpa

[JD¹³]

I shoot.... occasionally.

http://i.imgur.com/T9wFLSC.jpg

[Mrblee]

nice elcan!


edit:

ill be up at poco this sunday for trap.

[Zedbra]

Just got my orientation and acceptance today to the Squamish Gun Range. Just waiting for that PAL in the mail....

[CRS]

nice elcan!


edit:

ill be up at poco this sunday for trap.

I'll be up there tomorrow as well.

Going up in the morning when right when it opens. Hope it won't be raining!

[Mrblee]

weather sucked. only shot one game then left.

[Vale46Rossi]

Just did my restricted and non, mailing off today!

Cant wait till I get to buy my first :D

Was planning to buy a 1911 S&W Performance Centre..... but was recommended getting a 9mm to practice with first.... now either a glock or beretta =/

[originalhypa]

Just got my orientation and acceptance today to the Squamish Gun Range. Just waiting for that PAL in the mail....

Do you even shoot, bro?

:hotbaby:

Check out the new tannerite targets. They blow up real good, although I don't know of any range that would be cool with them.

Also, funny how a shooting thread on RS can go for weeks without an issue, but the first day someone posts a shooting thread on nsmb, people lose their shit. Those guys suck.

weather sucked. only shot one game then left.

I went to the range by myself on Saturday and had a great day. The weather was perfect after raining all morning, and I was the only shooter on the 100 yard range for about 90 minutes. Call for a green light? Sure, I'm the RO!
:D

Problem is, my T97 failed. The sear pin is too short, and the trigger stopped working. I was able to field strip and get it going again, but I would get an LAR mag worth of shots before it happened again.

It's back at my LGS while their gunsmiths check it out.

[Zedbra]

^ friend of mine is bringing up a few rifles, few shotguns this weekend. One or more will probably be staying in my safe.

[ruthless]

Just did my restricted and non, mailing off today!

Cant wait till I get to buy my first :D

Was planning to buy a 1911 S&W Performance Centre..... but was recommended getting a 9mm to practice with first.... now either a glock or beretta =/

Nice, my PAL/RPAL took exactly 4 months to get back.

In the mean time do some research
this is a decent forum for info:
CanadianGunNutz.com (http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/forum.php)

Also check out the M&P line from Smith and Wesson.
Glock 17 vs. M&P 9mm: Side by side - YouTube

[SolidPenguin]

Just did my restricted and non, mailing off today!

Cant wait till I get to buy my first :D

Was planning to buy a 1911 S&W Performance Centre..... but was recommended getting a 9mm to practice with first.... now either a glock or beretta =/

My first handgun was a 1911. Really easy to shoot, the .45 was not an issue at all. My norinco was crazy accurate for being so cheap. It'll easily out shoot my M&P9. For a first restricted, its not bad at all, its easy to shoot and simple to maintain. Not a lot of parts and you can completely take it apart and tinker with it and its a breeze to put back together.

The newer polymer guns you cant service completely on your own. The internals are just too complicated, especially within the slide itself like the striker mechanism.

I would definitely look at the M&P9 as a choice if you are considering a polymer gun. Almost half the price of both of those and just as reliable as the glock. But out of those two you listed, I'd go for the glock. Beretta doesnt fit as well into the hands (my hands. The grip is much wider/fatter) and the slide on the glock is just much smoother to work. I was also not a fan of the sights on the beretta.

But that being said, go to the store, hold both in your hands see which one is more comfortable. And maybe go to dvc and rent both and try them out.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

5.56 info, barrel length

The Swedish military has measured the bullet velocities of SS109/M855 military cartridges at 4 m (13.1 ft) from the muzzle fired from differing barrel lengths:[24]

Barrel length SS109/M855 V4 bullet velocity V4 velocity loss
210 mm (8.3 in) 723 m/s (2,372 ft/s) 41 m/s (135 ft/s)
240 mm (9.4 in) 764 m/s (2,507 ft/s) 32 m/s (105 ft/s)
270 mm (10.6 in) 796 m/s (2,612 ft/s) 29 m/s (95 ft/s)
300 mm (11.8 in) 825 m/s (2,707 ft/s) 18 m/s (59 ft/s)
330 mm (13.0 in) 843 m/s (2,766 ft/s) 23 m/s (75 ft/s)
360 mm (14.2 in) 866 m/s (2,841 ft/s) 12 m/s (39 ft/s)
390 mm (15.4 in) 878 m/s (2,881 ft/s) 14 m/s (46 ft/s)
420 mm (16.5 in) 892 m/s (2,927 ft/s) 14 m/s (46 ft/s)
450 mm (17.7 in) 906 m/s (2,972 ft/s) 9 m/s (30 ft/s)
480 mm (18.9 in) 915 m/s (3,002 ft/s) 7 m/s (23 ft/s)
508 mm (20.0 in) 922 m/s (3,025 ft/s) -

[originalhypa]

^
Go on CGN.com and there are a ton of guys lusting over the 8.5" barrel AR variants, then dropping mad dime on optics so they can shoot out past 250 yards. Makes no sense to me, other than for the barbie-gun factor.

Good info there on the loss of velocity based on the barrel length. I know when I added the longer bull barrel to my 10/22, I could plink 10/10 shots at 135 yards using a 2" target. Even with shitty ammo, the rounds just go where they're supposed to.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

yeah i distinctly remember when i was doing research before i bought, 16.5 seemed optimal for all around short barrel to range effectiveness ratio.

otherwise i would just get a pistol lol.

[originalhypa]

agreed man!
On that note, I was checking out a Marlin, bolt action 17WMR today. It's a mild step up from the 22LR for coyote control. I don't mind using the .22, but it has to be a perfectly placed shot for me to pull the trigger. With the .17 I could have a little wiggle room and still make it a clean kill. I don't often kill things, but when I do, it has to be quick and painless.


Does anyone know where all the CCI 22LR are? I can't find any of these wherever I go. Int'l told me they've been out for a while, and don't know when more are coming in.

[T4RAWR]

i picked up 500 rounds of cci mini mags from eagle hunting supplies recently.

might wanna give them a ring.

[incubus]

My first handgun was a 1911. Really easy to shoot, the .45 was not an issue at all. My norinco was crazy accurate for being so cheap. It'll easily out shoot my M&P9. For a first restricted, its not bad at all, its easy to shoot and simple to maintain. Not a lot of parts and you can completely take it apart and tinker with it and its a breeze to put back together.

The newer polymer guns you cant service completely on your own. The internals are just too complicated, especially within the slide itself like the striker mechanism.

I would definitely look at the M&P9 as a choice if you are considering a polymer gun. Almost half the price of both of those and just as reliable as the glock. But out of those two you listed, I'd go for the glock. Beretta doesnt fit as well into the hands (my hands. The grip is much wider/fatter) and the slide on the glock is just much smoother to work. I was also not a fan of the sights on the beretta.

But that being said, go to the store, hold both in your hands see which one is more comfortable. And maybe go to dvc and rent both and try them out.


alot of guys have problems with striker fired because they tend to nose dive them time to time, my opinion is pick up a mp9 range kit its a good price get extra mags and a speed loader imo probably the best deal out there for a first pistol.

i prefer the mp over the glock but either one is great it just comes down to personal preference, ruger sr9 are a little cheaper also.

not a fan of berettas

[CRS]

Anyone know where I can get an uplula universal loader for about $30?

Similarly, are you allowed to bring back up accessories like this from the states?

[incubus]

I wouldn't try bringing anything back firearm related lots of horror stories I hear about, people getting huge fines and not allowed to cross again. Canada doesn't mind but the USA does.

[originalhypa]

i prefer the mp over the glock but either one is great it just comes down to personal preference, ruger sr9 are a little cheaper also.

My buddy has the M&P 9 and it's a great pistol to shoot around. The trigger has a good feel, and the bullets go where they're supposed to.

incubus, what are your thoughts on the jericho 941?
I've wanted one for a while now. I like the Israeli weapons, and I think in 9mm form a steel jericho would be a nice addition to the stable.

[CRS]

I wouldn't try bringing anything back firearm related lots of horror stories I hear about, people getting huge fines and not allowed to cross again. Canada doesn't mind but the USA does.

Just spoke to the CFO. As long as it isn't attached to the gun or making contact with the gun when it fires (as its intended purpose), it is fine.

[incubus]

i'm not too familiar with jericho but i hear good things if someone wanted to avoid the polymer route and not pay the cz price and isnt interested in 1911. its has a good grip to it and is kinda on the heavy side my buddy owns one and loves it.

yeah crs i hear people buying cleaning accessories and what not in the states but I myself wouldnt buy anything firearms related across the border but thats just me.

[ruthless]

Just spoke to the CFO. As long as it isn't attached to the gun or making contact with the gun when it fires (as its intended purpose), it is fine.

Canadian CFO says its fine to import into Canada...
Importing isn't the hard part.

It's a whole different ball game exporting parts/accessories out of the US under their export laws (Department of State) and things controlled by ITAR
Some things include:
-ammunition
-some scopes
-barrels/triggers(basic firearm parts)

Things not included off the top of my head:
-reloading equipment(presses, etc.)
-I believe grips might be okay as well

Don't know if people have experienced it but sometimes coming north there is a checkpoint of US CBP officers, they are essentially looking for undeclared currency, firearms being exported without the proper documentation.
With all that being said, I know people who bring through ammunition, scopes, 10 round magazines, stocks, etc. but one day when they hit that roadblock, they will regret it.

[jlo mein]

^To add to that, here is an extended list (by no means complete). Things you can bring back from America legally:

-reloading equipment (not consumables)
-targets
-cleaning kits
-carry cases/bags
-slings
-safes/lockers/trigger locks

Things that are illegal to export from America without permits:
-firearms and internal parts, including most parts that attach to a firearm
-mounts for optics, lights, slings
-optics
-magazines and magazine parts
-ammunition, including reloading components to make ammunition

If a US Federal agency catches you with any of those items, you could be imprisoned/fined and refused future entry into America.

[incubus]

any hit the range lately?

hopefully head out soon need to buy more 9mm and 223/5.56

[originalhypa]

I'd like to head out before the weekend. Lets see if the CFO will give me my new gun.
:cool:

[roastpuff]

Hey guys, I'm in the process of getting my PAL and I see that Reliable Gun is having a sale on a Mossberg 702 Plinkster .22 - has anyone used it before? The reviews say that it's a good basic .22 semi-auto rifle, and the price at $165 (down from $189.99) seems reasonable.

Also, they have Federal Target .22 Automatch .22LR 40gr Solid 325rd Pack @ $19.99 ammo for sale - decent price? Good ammo? Bad ammo?

[CRS]

There really is no such thing as bad ammo. If it makes a bang when you pull the trigger, it's good ammo.

Unless you get into competitive shooting where you care about the minor details. But at that point, you may be reloading so it won't matter.

[T4RAWR]

My .22 cz 455 is accurate with whatever I feed it. For the bulk of its life it was fed white box winchester specials from walmart.

For the longer ranges I use cci mini mags but for everyday plinking I use whatevers cheap and readily available.


Starting on a 22 is a great way to get into shooting and wont break the bank. I would suggest forking over a bit more for a bolt action 22 like the savage. Its alot more fun going through the motions over a semi auto plus you can feed it a variety of 22 ammo like the cb shorts and cci shotshells :D

[2damaxmr2]

Anyone know where I can get an uplula universal loader for about $30?

Similarly, are you allowed to bring back up accessories like this from the states?

I got mine from Canadaammo.

[incubus]

i got to shoot today :fullofwin: shot my buddies mp9 5"core with a different trigger and ram. i was really impressed alot of people dislike the mp triger i didnt mind it but the travel and the reset was great. also shot his ppq navy which i couldnt shoot very well the very short rest and light trigger threw me off but its a great shooting gun. and off course his sig p226 just love this gun just saving up for mine. and off course his dd mk18 and my dd v7


Hey guys, I'm in the process of getting my PAL and I see that Reliable Gun is having a sale on a Mossberg 702 Plinkster .22 - has anyone used it before? The reviews say that it's a good basic .22 semi-auto rifle, and the price at $165 (down from $189.99) seems reasonable.

Also, they have Federal Target .22 Automatch .22LR 40gr Solid 325rd Pack @ $19.99 ammo for sale - decent price? Good ammo? Bad ammo?


mossberg plinksters are alright but id pay a little extra and get a ruger 10/22 cause theres so much you can do with them kits access etc or even get a take down which i think is cool especially being non restricted id take it hiking and etc even comes in a little bag

i know what you mean by bad ammo for 22lr sometimes semis jam or dont feed properly. i think automatch is good for semi or federal champion alot of guys seem to like the bucket of bullets from remington. with semi on 22lr the key thing is to remember a good chunk of them like the 40 gr.

ammo for the most part is depending on the gun some guns cycle different grains or loads better. today at the range someone was shooting surplus 9mm barnaul which i love but that being said i know its a surplus round but ive shot good groups and im not a great pistol shot but he was having light primer strikes i think he had 2 or 3 in a box of 50.

but that is surplus ammo maybe ive just had good luck, ive shot norinco 223/556 for a year straight and had one light primer strike so im happy with my cheap ammo, all types of ammo do have their duds.

im shooting paper and not competing so ill shoot cheap stuff cause paper cant tell the difference, most the time if its a more expensive box of ammo it maybe the load, make or bullet type fmj,bthp,hp etc etc but ive seen some good hornady steel match which is a steal for 223 and 308.

blah blah blah heres the ruger take down

Ruger 10/22 Takedown Model - YouTube

[CRS]

Have to agree with incubus. The Ruger 10/22 is an amazing starter that I would recommend to anyone that is looking to get a taste of this hobby.

The great part about it is that you can learn and really hone in with your skills since the 10/22 is so forgiving.

[T4RAWR]

The 10/22 ruger is a better choice than the mossberg but I still think a bolt action 22 with irons is way more fun especially since they arent picky on ammo and you get to go through the motions rather than just squeezing off the trigger. :fullofwin:

[Zedbra]

The 10/22 ruger is a better choice than the mossberg but I still think a bolt action 22 with irons is way more fun especially since they arent picky on ammo and you get to go through the motions rather than just squeezing off the trigger. :fullofwin:

I'm leaning this way - looking at a Savage .17HMR.

My friend just picked up the Mossberg 715T and it is fun and looks cool, but it gets old simply squeezing the trigger and keeping the distance under 50 yards for accuracy. That, and the 25 round mags just got put on Canada's prohibited list because Mossberg mad a hand gun that takes the same magazines.

[Airtrackz]

I'm leaning this way - looking at a Savage .17HMR.

My friend just picked up the Mossberg 915T and it is fun and looks cool, but it gets old simply squeezing the trigger and keeping the distance under 50 yards for accuracy. That, and the 25 round mags just got put on Canada's prohibited list because Mossberg mad a hand gun that takes the same magazines.

The 10/22 owners have the same feels as the BX-25 magazines are banned as well... but any other brand of 25 round mags are not? lol

Starting off with a 22LR is also a good option if ammo price is an issue. 6-8cents/round vs 25+ cents/round

[incubus]

pretty sure you mean mossberg 715 :P its just a plinkster in a bodykit kinda jammed alot when we shot my buddies.

browning a-bolt is really nice and ive seen a couple marlin stainless 22s but id probaby be happy with a takedown im overdue for a 22lr since ammo is getting pricey

[Zedbra]

pretty sure you mean mossberg 715 :P its just a plinkster in a bodykit kinda jammed alot when we shot my buddies.

browning a-bolt is really nice and ive seen a couple marlin stainless 22s but id probaby be happy with a takedown im overdue for a 22lr since ammo is getting pricey

Yeah, I fixed the post. You have to give them a quick clean after 100 rounds or they start to jam. Anyways, not my kinda thing after 100 rounds anyways.

[roastpuff]

My .22 cz 455 is accurate with whatever I feed it. For the bulk of its life it was fed white box winchester specials from walmart.

For the longer ranges I use cci mini mags but for everyday plinking I use whatevers cheap and readily available.

Starting on a 22 is a great way to get into shooting and wont break the bank. I would suggest forking over a bit more for a bolt action 22 like the savage. Its alot more fun going through the motions over a semi auto plus you can feed it a variety of 22 ammo like the cb shorts and cci shotshells :D
I'll look at a bolt-action .22, but I kind of like semi-auto guns. Or I'll just buy 2 guns... :whistle:
mossberg plinksters are alright but id pay a little extra and get a ruger 10/22 cause theres so much you can do with them kits access etc or even get a take down which i think is cool especially being non restricted id take it hiking and etc even comes in a little bag

i know what you mean by bad ammo for 22lr sometimes semis jam or dont feed properly. i think automatch is good for semi or federal champion alot of guys seem to like the bucket of bullets from remington. with semi on 22lr the key thing is to remember a good chunk of them like the 40 gr.


The Ruger 10/22 is about twice the price of the Mossberg... that's the problem. :( I know you can customize them a lot, but I'm not sure if I want to spend that amount of money on a .22 - I'd rather get a bigger rifle and go hunting with it, especially where I am.

The take-down model is $399... yikes. That's a lot of $$ for a take-down .22 - I'd rather just bring a regular one, haha. I'm up near Smithers now, and bears are on the hiking trails - people take shotguns to walk their dogs sometimes. A .22 isn't going to scare them the way people in Lower Mainland do get scared...
Have to agree with incubus. The Ruger 10/22 is an amazing starter that I would recommend to anyone that is looking to get a taste of this hobby.

The great part about it is that you can learn and really hone in with your skills since the 10/22 is so forgiving.

The 10/22 ruger is a better choice than the mossberg but I still think a bolt action 22 with irons is way more fun especially since they arent picky on ammo and you get to go through the motions rather than just squeezing off the trigger. :fullofwin:
Would you say that is it worth the price premium over the Mossberg or a Marlin? .22s are great for training, I agree (I learnt to shoot on a .22 Anschutz/.22 conversion Enfield, but I don't think it necessarily has to be a certain gun...

Starting off with a 22LR is also a good option if ammo price is an issue. 6-8cents/round vs 25+ cents/round

Agreed, which is why I'm starting with a .22 rifle. :)

[T4RAWR]

I'll look at a bolt-action .22, but I kind of like semi-auto guns. Or I'll just buy 2 guns... :whistle:


trust me on this, a semi-22lr gets real boring real fast.


The Ruger 10/22 is about twice the price of the Mossberg... that's the problem. :( I know you can customize them a lot, but I'm not sure if I want to spend that amount of money on a .22 - I'd rather get a bigger rifle and go hunting with it, especially where I am.


you will not find a quality large calibre rifle for 399.99. my CZ bolt action 22 was in the 500 range after taxes and i dont regret spending a single dollar. i highly recommend going with the ruger over the other brands if you wanna go semi. again make consideration for a bolt action 22.


Would you say that is it worth the price premium over the Mossberg or a Marlin? .22s are great for training, I agree (I learnt to shoot on a .22 Anschutz/.22 conversion Enfield, but I don't think it necessarily has to be a certain gun...


sounds like you were in cadets?

I'm leaning this way - looking at a Savage .17HMR.


.17hmr is an excellent round. iirc it is a good varmint calibre and offers better penetration over a standard .22lr

i've heard of people taking coyotes with them with no issue.

[T4RAWR]

anyone know where i can get some hard cast 300+gr 44 mag?

preferably in JSP or LBP/LFT or even SWC (240gr)????

interested in some +P rounds as well.

[Zedbra]

I've heard they are a great coyote round. Now you have me checking out those Browning T-bolts - looks like a perfect varmint gun option.