Electric and Hybrid Car Thread [Archive] - Page 2

bcrdukes

01-22-2021, 09:57 AM

Considering that for most people Tesla is the defacto electric car, yes.

Sure it is, when the de facto EV has the build quality of a Kia from the 90's lol~ 4Head

I guess I won't ask about the hybrid question I have in mind. :okay:

Just kidding.

Long shot but was looking to see if anyone here has owned a Porsche Panamera e-hybrid and if any experiences. I had one for the weekend a number of years ago and absolutely loved it, and considering one in a year or two. Looking to buy used, not new, but yeah. It's not a Tesla so...moot point. :badpokerface:

Akinari

01-22-2021, 10:42 AM

I quite enjoyed the UX250h when I went to test drive it. Didn't get to try the F-sport one as it wasn't available yet. Pretty quick for the city and comfortable for highway cruising.
Yeah we drove the new IS300 (detuned V6), and an RX350 F-Sport, and thought the UX250h drove significantly better and more refined than both those cars. The former two are really showing their chassis age, whereas TNGA cars all feel pretty rock solid.

whitev70r

01-22-2021, 11:37 AM

Must say that the idea of a swappable battery NIO makes a lot of sense. I mean battery R&D will grow faster than your car. Imagine you can switch a lower capacity one with a higher one a few years after car ownership. I think NIO is onto something but will they ever be available in the NA market?

FYI in case you don't know. All NIO cars are designed with the same shape battery on the bottom and can be swappable (in like 5 mins, done like at a jiffy lube type of station, all automated) and batteries are also chargeable by conventional plug in means.

Apparently, Tesla thought of this but abandoned it because superchargers were more available but still, 5 mins swap for a full new battery vs. 45 mins at charging station? And now, Tesla Supercharging stations are always so full with people waiting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTXptUuKGrc

JDMDreams

01-22-2021, 11:48 AM

^^ is it worth it to go hybrid these days? I was pricing out a Camry hybrid sport and it's around $43000 after taxes and you don't really get any gov discounts, venza is even more expensive and a Prius prime is over $40k. But basically you still have gas expenses and regular maintenance. Doesn't it just make sense to go full electric for the savings since your monthly payments will be similar. But no gas and much less in maintenance?

Traum

01-22-2021, 12:19 PM

Lease returning my IS300 (2.0L turbo) for a UX250h F-Sport, picking it up on Saturday.

Time to save gas.
I had an opportunity to drive a UX250h for about a week as well, and overall, I quite like the car. The only thing I really did not like was how tiny its trunk was. Fuel consumption during that period was in the 6 - 6.5L/100km range, and to me, that was a bit disappointing for a small hybrid. But the figure seems on par with what Fuelly suggests.

Traum

01-22-2021, 12:23 PM

FYI in case you don't know. All NIO cars are designed with the same shape battery on the bottom and can be swappable (in like 5 mins, done like at a jiffy lube type of station, all automated) and batteries are also chargeable by conventional plug in means.

With road grime and all sorts of other uncontrollable external factors, I am very skeptical that a battery change from the underside as suggested by the video would work, esp within that time frame. Simply put, it looks too sci fi to be realistic.

Yeah, sorry for being such a cynical bastard lol~

bcrdukes

01-22-2021, 01:03 PM

whitev70r

01-22-2021, 01:28 PM

Akinari

01-22-2021, 01:30 PM

I had an opportunity to drive a UX250h for about a week as well, and overall, I quite like the car. The only thing I really did not like was how tiny its trunk was. Fuel consumption during that period was in the 6 - 6.5L/100km range, and to me, that was a bit disappointing for a small hybrid. But the figure seems on par with what Fuelly suggests.

Yes, the trunk isn't just narrow/short-ish, it's also very shallow because of the batteries underneath. Not a huge deal as we extremely rarely carry back-seat passengers and the back seats fold down anyway so no biggie. The IS wasn't known for having a big trunk among sedans either so not losing out on much.

6-6.5L/100km of 87 is much better than 12-13L/100km of 94 in the IS, I'll take whatever I can get LOL.

I agree that the trunk was disappointing. Makes for long haul road trips and touring a bit difficult. Sitting in the back seat as an adult is brutal, that seems to be a Lexus thing.

I can't comment on on the fuel claims, but I would imagine the overall weight of the car doesn't help with the situation.
Backseat is pretty brutal in terms of leg room, but I didn't find it narrow or uncomfortable per se. It's actually about the same rear legroom as say, a MK7 Golf.

!Aznboi128

01-22-2021, 01:34 PM

Nah no way. the MK7 golf has to have a bigger rear seats than the UX.

bcrdukes

01-22-2021, 02:03 PM

Legroom is okay on the UX - I did appreciate that. But if you are tall, game over. Started to remind me of sitting in the back of a Porsche 911. :heckno: It's not THAT bad, but still.

Secretly, I am in envy you're getting the UX. :okay: It is an overall good car, just underappreciated.

JDMDreams

01-22-2021, 02:47 PM

Lol I was driving a cvt corolla and getting as low as 4l per 100km on the straights. And surprised the Camry hybrid is only rated at 5l per 100km

!Aznboi128

01-22-2021, 03:17 PM

Lol I was driving a cvt corolla and getting as low as 4l per 100km on the straights. And surprised the Camry hybrid is only rated at 5l per 100km
cause you're driving that on the straights.... when they rate cars they rate it with varying speeds for more real-world results.

Manic!

01-22-2021, 10:51 PM

With road grime and all sorts of other uncontrollable external factors, I am very skeptical that a battery change from the underside as suggested by the video would work, esp within that time frame. Simply put, it looks too sci fi to be realistic.

Yeah, sorry for being such a cynical bastard lol~

They are already doing it in China.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0StTrsdoD3c

TouringTeg

01-23-2021, 06:26 AM

My dad just purchased a second Lexus 450h this time a 2011. It's a one owner traded in at Jim Pattison Lexus North Shore. 93kms, $21,000. My sister also has one. They like them and no issues so far.

I did hear from an RS member about a local owner who had their 450H break down at Mt Washington and had to be towed back to Victoria. Something major went wrong with the hybrid system and cost to repair was $14,000. They considered whether it was worth repairing or not.

My wife and I have considered a hybrid but we are holding out for better EV options. As tempting as hybrid is I want to cut out the majority of the maintenance costs. My wife often commutes 120km round trip so we need some decent range. For now our 13 CRV continues to run fine.

JDMDreams

01-23-2021, 07:49 AM

^ I'm on the same boat, ppl ask between $20000 to $30000 for used hybrid that are a few years old. And if I'm dropping that much on an used car I might as well finance a new electric. As the fuel savings and maintenance cost savings is still a few thousand a year based on how much I drive.

whitev70r

01-23-2021, 07:58 AM

There are some used 2nd gen Nissan Leafs for ~ low to mid $20K or for a little more, the 2nd gen VW E Golf. I believe both of those have extended range > 200 kms.

Koflach

01-23-2021, 08:18 AM

There are some used 2nd gen Nissan Leafs for ~ low to mid $20K or for a little more, the 2nd gen VW E Golf. I believe both of those have extended range > 200 kms.

Aren't the Nissan Leaf's prone to battery issues?

dark0821

01-23-2021, 09:06 AM

^ first gen, yes

^2nd gen, not old enough to have enough cases to know for sure

the problem like most people going for EV is that, it will be the only car in the family, and the risk of not being able to do road trips (even just maybe twice a year) is a point to consider...

now ofc, all my friends who owns teslas told me that they have done vancouver to anaheim disney land, or vancouver to banff/edmonton/calgary all the time and my fear is only an illusion lolol

JDMDreams

01-23-2021, 09:58 AM

It won't be the only car but the daily commuter car. Cuz the issue is I need at least 120km range a day. So older leafs isn't really an option.

underscore

01-23-2021, 12:11 PM

the problem like most people going for EV is that, it will be the only car in the family, and the risk of not being able to do road trips (even just maybe twice a year) is a point to consider...

Just get a rental for those couple trips. The number of people who spend a pile more than they need to on a vehicle for something they *might* do a couple of times a year is nuts.

kr4l

01-23-2021, 10:32 PM

I put down a deposit for a rav4 prime last year. Got a call today saying they have a few that came in that were not allocated yet. Non with tech package so I’ll have to wait until the next batch comes in

JDMDreams

01-23-2021, 10:53 PM

^^ don't you spec and build the car when you put the deposit?

VR6GTI

01-24-2021, 06:18 AM

kr4l

01-24-2021, 09:52 PM

^^ don't you spec and build the car when you put the deposit?

Nope. I just asked for whatever comes first, let me know and I’ll decide

kr4l

01-24-2021, 09:53 PM

Which dealership? Did they have the SE?

Destination Toyota.

They had 3 SE’s and 1 XSE

sonick

01-25-2021, 06:57 AM

I'm surprised they have that many SE, rumours were that was just a low volume model to qualify for subsidies.

I put my deposit down Dec 2019 at open road but no news or calls yet.

Having seen the pricing I'm actually considering cancelling my deposit should our turn come up.

Bender Unit

01-25-2021, 09:30 AM

I put my deposit down Dec 2019 at open road but no news or calls yet.

Having seen the pricing I'm actually considering cancelling my deposit should our turn come up.
Price & Options is on Toyota.ca

I put my deposit on Nov. 2019 at Destination Toyota.
Just got my phone call 2 week back to pick my preferred model, color & options.
still no eta date of delivery

sonick

01-25-2021, 10:20 AM

Price & Options is on Toyota.ca

Yeah I saw the pricing when it was first announced and it was way higher than anticipated for what you get, which is why I am on the fence with it now. It's reaching into entry luxury compact SUV territory.

MG1

01-25-2021, 10:44 AM

Anyone installing their charger Outdoor ?

in Carport ?
That's my only option for charger location.
Garage is too small to park the new Plug-In.

I have mine in the carport. 240 volt plug in. I went plug in, because it's portable and I can take it with me, when and if, I move. Purchased it from Clipper Creek in the US. Duty Free, 'cause made in the US of A. Picked it up in Blaine. Brought it across without paying a cent. Back when borders were still open.

https://clippercreek.com

I have a receptacle inside the garage and one outside the garage wall. I used a welding extension to get the unit up high and at the furthest point possible without getting it in a place where it can get wet. It's rated for outdoor use, though. I have the truck and the SUV parked in the carport, so I needed the extra length. It's really reliable and simple. Just plug in and it starts. Disconnect and it goes into standby mode. I have two of them, actually. One for the house (Nema 14-50) and one that I used to plug in at work. Welding outlet (Nema 6-50).

I'm retired now, but go back once in a while. It comes in handy. Even if it's level two, it gets the job done.

bcrdukes

01-25-2021, 12:03 PM

Did you install that yourself? Or did you hire a licensed electrician?

SumAznGuy

01-25-2021, 01:51 PM

Did you install that yourself? Or did you hire a licensed electrician?

He ran an extension cord into his neighbors outlet. :fullofwin:

bcrdukes

01-25-2021, 02:32 PM

I would believe that.

Akinari

01-25-2021, 04:41 PM

cafe22

01-25-2021, 07:03 PM

bcrdukes

01-25-2021, 07:34 PM

Alright, have driven about 100km so far in the UX. I can totally attest to the fact that people believe the fuel gauge is broken when they get into their first hybrid LOL. My fuel gauge has maybe gone down like 1mm? It's nuts.

I find that with most newer cars. I would pick up a Toyota Camry, Nissan Altima, or some American equivalent POS rental at the airport, and for the first 100 miles (not KM) or so, the fuel gauge doesn't move, and then out of fucking nowhere, the needle is at "E" :fuckthatshit:

JDMDreams

01-25-2021, 08:37 PM

How is the i3? Any electrical issues, or typical bmw problems?

cafe22

01-25-2021, 09:05 PM

How is the i3? Any electrical issues, or typical bmw problems?

none so far *touch on i3 interior eucalyptus wood

Pretty much maintenance free like other EV cars. With the REX, the only cost will be the filter and oil change, but it doesn't seem too difficult to DIY.

I think it's a great option if you want to try EV, don't want to break the bank with buying Tesla, but still want some refinement and technology compared to a used Nissan Leaf.

MG1

01-27-2021, 01:22 PM

Did you install that yourself? Or did you hire a licensed electrician?

I would believe that.

Hired a licensed electrician, you plick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSe5x29_ANg

You make it really hard for anyone to want to contribute anything on RS. Making RS great again by pissing people off. Well, fuck off, CUNT!

I'm out of here.

bcrdukes

01-27-2021, 04:35 PM

lol wut?

GLOW

01-27-2021, 04:44 PM

thanked for the boys clip...and also for linking a cool product...

!Aznboi128

01-27-2021, 09:17 PM

none so far *touch on i3 interior eucalyptus wood

Pretty much maintenance free like other EV cars. With the REX, the only cost will be the filter and oil change, but it doesn't seem too difficult to DIY.

I think it's a great option if you want to try EV, don't want to break the bank with buying Tesla, but still want some refinement and technology compared to a used Nissan Leaf.
Been looking at these as they are getting cheaper. They have such narrow tires which always make me go WTF?

https://cnet2.cbsistatic.com/img/GHcacO_jWlajdJTCoW_3vxL69FA=/1200x675/2015/04/20/a31386d8-94cf-4068-b8a7-9fba07b410be/bmwi3bridgestoneep500-25.jpg

twitchyzero

01-27-2021, 10:56 PM

always forget how exotic the i3 is: CF body with suicide doors

reportedly very well-built too

if and when the pure 38kwh one hits 10-12k i'd wanna give it a go

Spectre_Cdn

01-27-2021, 11:31 PM

Japanese carbon fibres, spun in Washington, constructed in Germany.

Apparently the bicycle tires are expensive and were hard to find a couple years ago since local dealers were snatching them up during the influx of California off-lease models.

Long-term ownership video in Canto (use English subs)

https://youtu.be/y6ImYJjcqCA

!Aznboi128

01-27-2021, 11:38 PM

^ Holy, using the heater reduces the 100km range by half??!!?!?

Also 5 years 170,000+ km?!?!? damn that's a shit ton. He charged it like 1700 times hahaha

Koflach

01-28-2021, 06:47 PM

the i3 has such awful range, I would never consider it. My neighbour had one and got rid of it after one winter.

cafe22

01-29-2021, 01:52 PM

^ Holy, using the heater reduces the 100km range by half??!!?!?

Also 5 years 170,000+ km?!?!? damn that's a shit ton. He charged it like 1700 times hahaha

I think he is exaggerating because the km range will increase once the car reaches the desired cabin temperature. When I precondition the car during the winter period (from 14 degrees to 22 degrees), I have on average 100 km EV + 100 REX before I head out

A popular mod for REX owner is to code the car so that you can activate the REX mode at your discretion. This is a useful feature for long distance highway driving to maintain the car's SOC.

OEM Tires are about $700-800 for all 4. Costco and other major tire shops carries the Bridgestone EP600 and they often have cash rebates. If you drive conservatively, the rears last for about 20k.

the i3 has such awful range, I would never consider it. My neighbour had one and got rid of it after one winter.

If you compare the 2014-2015 BMW i3 BEV to a new BMW i3 or Tesla 3, then comparably it does have 'awful range'. But you're comparing it to a car that costs 3-4 times as much and the older BMW i3 caters to a specific driving routine and style. If you need to drive over 100 km a day, then I would not suggest this car and nor would I wish to be in that position because that is A LOT of driving everyday.

I can see myself keeping this car for the next 5+ year. It has been a great daily so far and I estimate it will save me roughly $2000 in gas every year.

cafe22

01-29-2021, 01:55 PM

double post

Manic!

02-02-2021, 12:03 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAtLTLiqNwg

JDMDreams

02-05-2021, 04:47 PM

VR6GTI

02-05-2021, 05:04 PM

Good luck

Traum

02-05-2021, 05:23 PM

Anyone have a Prius prime? Any comments? Seems like a decent deal for phev for $35000, is the tech package worth it? Any negotiation room on rates on toyota site or what your see is what you get? Could pay cash too.
I semi-seriously looked into it in 2019. If you are looking to buy used, the pre-2020 cars only had 2 seats in the back. A full 3-seater back seat didn't come until 2020.

I liked the car and the visibility from the driver seat. For my purposes, even the base version felt good enough -- I certainly didn't care for the bigger touch screen in the higher trim model, and the interior materials in the base car felt good enough even though certain black trim pieces look like they could easily get scratched up.

As is the case with the UX250h, the deal breaker was the absymal trunk size -- the trunk was very shallow because it had to accommodate the batteries.

In a Prius Prime discussion group that I was in, some owners have indicated that the front end plastic trim pieces are somewhat prone to road damage, so keep an eye out for that.

!Aznboi128

02-05-2021, 05:56 PM

I like the prime but it's not without flaws.

Pros
-looks better than the regular prius, sleeker front and rear lights + CF hatch makes it kinda cool
-Fully charge in 5.5hrs on a household outlet

Cons
-40km EV range if you're careful real world with heat and other accessories prob closer to 30 if you're stepping on it.
-infotainment is the usual Toyota Hot garbage
-Trunk as mentioned above is shallow to the tonneau cover but decent if you fold the rear seats down.

It's about 4k more than the regular Prius so depending on how much you drive in full ev you can make it back in a few years.

Tech package at $2,350 is not worth it IMO. The bigger touch screen just means it's harder to get to Key items like volume knob, tuning knob, and a sensible climate control system.

JDMDreams

02-07-2021, 10:13 PM

So things escalated quickly and I went to test drive a leaf sv, top model with 40kw battery below the more expensive plus models, about 200 km range. So it works out to be about $42 after taxes.

It's my first time driving ev. The silence is kinda nice. It pulls to 100km with no drama at all. You don't even notice that you are going fast as the car is so quiet. Highway driving at around 80km is very quiet too. I'm quite impressed. However only thing that kinda sucks is the Nissan finance rate at 3.99% and the price for 2020 and 21 is pretty much the same, and there's no improvements on the 21 model. Also the lane keep assist and propilot kinda sucks. I tried it and I was driving over the lane but it doesn't steer me back in or even notify me until I've crossed the line. The hunt continues.

bcrdukes

02-08-2021, 04:50 AM

3.99%. Ouch.

Are there any federal or provincial subsidies or rebates available? (Note: I don't live in BC anymore.)

JDMDreams

02-08-2021, 06:48 AM

Yes that's with $8000 discount.

donjalapeno

02-08-2021, 08:22 AM

Hyundai makes a Santa Fe Hybrid now. Its worth checking out if youre around Hyundai dealer. I was buying a oil filter and briefly checked one out. Really good tech, quality and design.

sonick

02-10-2021, 09:58 AM

For the Rav4 Prime, in case anybody curious for BC pricing/availability, a friend of mine just got all-in pricing on R4P XSE (with rebate, no Tech Package), and it comes out to $53,349 taxes in out the door.

Their parents were also on the list and are getting theirs this Saturday as they had the color they requested in stock.

JDMDreams

02-10-2021, 10:40 AM

That's after tax? Still more than a model 3 though....

sonick

02-10-2021, 11:15 AM

Yes, edited my original post, that price is taxes in.

v_tec

02-10-2021, 01:34 PM

That's after tax? Still more than a model 3 though....

Model 3 would be $50,xxx after tax even if you don't add anything.
And not quite apple to apple. One's PHEV, one's full electric - and you should at least compare it to a Model Y pricing.

Koflach

02-10-2021, 05:38 PM

The Model Y starts at about $53k + Tax

!Aznboi128

02-11-2021, 06:29 AM

And if you want AWD it's $70k + tax

But like V-tec said, not apple to apple comparison here. Bu it kinda is the closest thing, no one is comparing Rav4 PHEV to the Outlander PHEV.

JDMDreams

02-11-2021, 06:55 AM

I like the Outlander Phev, too bad the electric range isn't enough for me. I'm waiting for them to release the redesign soon. So far the spy shots looks pretty good. Ultra modern like a space ship

!Aznboi128

02-11-2021, 08:40 AM

With a 35km range it's not enough for most people's commute. The renderings and spy shots of the next gen does look good but I don't know if Mitsu has enough money to make a "Great" product.

GLOW

02-12-2021, 07:53 AM

https://clippercreek.com

.

hey MG what's the point of this product, can't you get an adapter for much less to plug in to your existing receptacle? just curious

The Model Y starts at about $53k + Tax

that sounds pretty decent, what's the cost all in out the door?

twitchyzero

02-12-2021, 08:48 AM

are there no phevs with torque converters? all CVT?

AstulzerRZD

02-12-2021, 09:38 AM

are there no phevs with torque converters? all CVT?

AFAIK the Ford products (Aviator/Explorer) have their standard 10 speed auto paired with the PHEV drivetrain.

MG1

02-12-2021, 11:04 AM

hey MG what's the point of this product, can't you get an adapter for much less to plug in to your existing receptacle? just curious

I don't quite understand your question.

It's a level 2 charger. It needs 240 volts. There are different types of connectors for 240 volt depending on amperage rating. And with those, you can use adapters, but as far as your average 120 household receptacles, the level 2 chargers just won't work. A lot of people have their level 2 chargers hard wired into the panel. I like the fact I can plug in a 240 volt heater, welder, etc. when needed. Not just for the charger. I have an extra 240 volt receptacle in the garage. I use it to plug in a heater. As long as the device has a Nema 14 plug.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_connector#NEMA_L19

Since having the electrical panel installed by the garage door, I can easily add or modify my outlets for all my electrical needs. I have trailers that are powered by 120 volt for lights, power tools, etc. To work on any of the outlets, I just turn the main breaker off and not have to worry about anything else in the house being affected.

GLOW

02-12-2021, 01:46 PM

sorry, allow me to try to clarify, my ignorance with EV's is showing, but i know there are adapters for EV's to plug in to a normal 120v receptacle and trickle charge...you said you have a 240V receptacle already, so I assumed EV's have an adapter that can plug in to your 240V receptacle no? if so, I don't see the need for the plug n play station. if there is no such adapter, then i can see the reason for the product.

MG1

02-12-2021, 03:34 PM

Household electricity is AC (Alternating Current) and the electricity on a car is DC (Direct Current). So right off the bat, you need to transform the type of electricity before it reaches the car. Not only that, the power needs to be regulated safely. The amount of charge an electric vehicle can take is actually controlled by the computer in the car, but the charger needs to ensure the power is clean and consistent. You will also notice on that web site that there are varying degrees of power handling models from 16 to 100 amps. The higher the rating, the less time it takes to charge. However, my vehicle has a very small capacity, so a 16 amp charge is good enough. Higher amp models are just a waste of money........... until the Cybertruck I put a deposit on ever shows up.

Every new electric car comes with a 110 volt (level I) charger included. It's super slow. We're talking 16 to 22 hours and days on some longer range vehicles. Level III charger, on the other hand, charge to 80% of battery capacity in like 20 to 30 minutes. Unless, of course, you drive a Tesla or some other long range EV. Level III charger must have like 440 volt power supply, so most homes cannot be outfitted with a level III without major work.

Then there are the new uber chargers from Tesla. Damn those things are like the King Kong of chargers. All charged up while you take a piss. I was going to say take a shit, but I know some of you take like an hour sitting on the toilet, gulolol.

https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/blog/introducing-v3-supercharging

There's more to it, but in a nut shell........................

Great68

02-12-2021, 04:31 PM

Great68

02-12-2021, 04:39 PM

While the new Cybertruck and electric F150 sound neat, I think they have a long way to climb if you're actually using the truck for work ie: towing.

If the model X is any example, they better find some magical battery capacity and charging speed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjklex38lkQ

I don't think I'll be giving up my gas F150 for an electric one to pull my 6000lb travel trailer any time soon.

MG1

02-12-2021, 04:55 PM

Actually, it's the car that does the power rectification to DC. If you look at most level 2 chargers, they're not much more than a simple contactor inside a box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMxB7zA-e4Y

It's only at Level 3 where DC is supplied directly to the car.

I stand corrected. Level 3 is the one I was confused with. As for the Cybertruck, I put the $100.00 refundable deposit down knowing it’s probably never going to hit the streets. Still, it’s cool knowing one day, it might? I would love to get a Rivian, but way too expensive, atm.

JDMDreams

02-12-2021, 11:28 PM

The leaf I test drove came with the regular 120v slow charge adapter, but the plug itself is a 240v plug which gives you level 2 at home if you have 240v.

JDMDreams

02-14-2021, 08:18 PM

Can anyone comment their insurance premiums for Tesla? My friend just got quoted $3900 for a model 3, like over $1000+ what they are paying for ice car currently

Manic!

02-14-2021, 08:52 PM

I stand corrected. Level 3 is the one I was confused with. As for the Cybertruck, I put the $100.00 refundable deposit down knowing it’s probably never going to hit the streets. Still, it’s cool knowing one day, it might? I would love to get a Rivian, but way too expensive, atm.

Musk just said it's come end of 2021.

While the new Cybertruck and electric F150 sound neat, I think they have a long way to climb if you're actually using the truck for work ie: towing.

If the model X is any example, they better find some magical battery capacity and charging speed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjklex38lkQ

I don't think I'll be giving up my gas F150 for an electric one to pull my 6000lb travel trailer any time soon.

But how many people tow 6000lb travel trailers long distances? Most just drive there trucks around town.

MG1

02-14-2021, 09:15 PM

Musk just said it's come end of 2021.

But how many people tow 6000lb travel trailers long distances? Most just drive there trucks around town.

Not only that, the Cybertruck is not the Model Y

underscore

02-14-2021, 09:33 PM

But how many people tow 6000lb travel trailers long distances?

Is that not the point of a travel trailer?

Great68

02-15-2021, 09:32 AM

Not only that, the Cybertruck is not the Model Y

Unless Musk made some new discovery that breaks the laws of physics, I don't see how the Cybertruck's power consumption wouldn't be affected in exactly the same way as the Model X when you add weight to it.

Great68

02-15-2021, 09:45 AM

But how many people tow 6000lb travel trailers long distances? Most just drive there trucks around town.

I dunno, there are certainly a shit ton of trailers out there on the island alone, ever seen the island highway in the summer?

I count six households with travel trailers just down my short street, and dozens within the immediate neighbourhood.

donk.

02-15-2021, 05:29 PM

Bananas in, bananas out

#physics

dvst8

02-15-2021, 08:15 PM

Can anyone comment their insurance premiums for Tesla? My friend just got quoted $3900 for a model 3, like over $1000+ what they are paying for ice car currently

For myself, insurance on the Model 3 is more expensive compared to my ice SUV. With road star, basic + 1 mill collision & comprehensive.

2k for Tesla
1.6k for SUV

this is with the new adjusted ICBC rates

twitchyzero

02-15-2021, 08:45 PM

wonder if the reported 9 months parts queue have anything to do with it

Manic!

02-16-2021, 11:09 AM

Is that not the point of a travel trailer?

But what % of truck owners own a travel trailer?

I dunno, there are certainly a shit ton of trailers out there on the island alone, ever seen the island highway in the summer?

I count six households with travel trailers just down my short street, and dozens within the immediate neighbourhood.

Cyber truck has a range of 500 miles. Even with reduced range while towing I don't think there is a single place on the island you couldn't tow a trailer to.

There is no such thing as a vehicle that's perfect for everyone. That's why Ford makes a F250 and F350.

Great68

02-16-2021, 11:55 AM

But what % of truck owners own a travel trailer?

Enough that it's probably a significant consideration for many

Cyber truck has a range of 500 miles. Even with reduced range while towing I don't think there is a single place on the island you couldn't tow a trailer to.

For the $100K 3 motor version... And it just does that with bigger batteries.

The Model X LR has an unloaded range of 350miles. In the video I posted, a 2000lb trailer reduced that range by 2/3rds. And they had to remove the tent rack or it lost substantially more.

If that ratio remains the same for the cybertruck, that 500 mile range becomes 160miles. Reduce that even further with heavier trailers and our very hilly terrain, you'd probably be lucky to get from Nanaimo to Victoria on a single charge:

Also with bigger batteries comes longer charge time. So if the Model X needs over an hour to fully charge it's 100kWh battery, now the cybertruck with 200kWh needs double that time. And then the concerns over charging stations in remote areas. I camp in the Gold river region, they just got cell service last year. They don't even have a grocery store in the town. You think there's going to be a supercharger network there, if ever?

Right now with the 130L tank in my truck, I can make it to Campbell river from my house in Victoria on 1/2 a tank, fully loaded with the trailer, toys, food, water, fuel, firewood etc. This is a pretty normal distance for many RV'ers on the island.

This video sums it up pretty well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4W-P5aCWJs

There is no such thing as a vehicle that's perfect for everyone.

I agree. I think this is what I'm pointing out. Cybertrucks (and new F150's) will make nice pavement pounders for those who want to be associated with driving a truck, maybe using the bed for the occasional dump of dirt or something.

Koflach

02-16-2021, 03:28 PM

Can anyone comment their insurance premiums for Tesla? My friend just got quoted $3900 for a model 3, like over $1000+ what they are paying for ice car currently

Try getting a quote for your insurance from BCAA. I went with them and it was A LOT cheaper than ICBC.

JDMDreams

02-16-2021, 06:18 PM

^^ turns out it was cuz they added her N driver sister. Crisis adverted after they removed her.

On the other hand I took home a model 3 dual motor, and model y rwd as tester. I'm amazed by the auto pilot. Basically the car drives itself. The instant torque is mind blowing and doesn't stop pulling. I'm even considering selling my toy gas cars to fund one. Only bad thing is on the model 3, the heater some how broke and I had no heat in this weather. They say it could be a software update or a sensor in the heat pump system. But yea I would love to get at least a dual motor but you lose rebates and it's $13000 more on top of the base. Self driving is another $10800 more. FeelsBadMan so it's like $85000 for a mid tier model 3

I'm not even sure if I should even bother to look at other electric cars, the Outlander 2022 has been revealed and it looks amazing but the Phev is another year away at least.

bcrdukes

02-16-2021, 06:22 PM

Chump change for RevScene :accepted:

twitchyzero

02-16-2021, 06:51 PM

traveling with EV in canada is already pushing it

camping and hauling without inventing spare battery packs/extenders, fahgettaboudit

still, camp mode seems interesting

underscore

02-16-2021, 08:00 PM

What's the longest you can run just the heater? I imagine you could get fucked pretty easily if a highway shuts down in the winter.

Manic!

02-16-2021, 08:43 PM

What's the longest you can run just the heater? I imagine you could get fucked pretty easily if a highway shuts down in the winter.

Probably longer than a gas car.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/how-long-can-a-p100d-idle.135350/

I just parked my P100D model S for over a week at an airport outside. The temps were not extremely low but low. On average 5C for the entire time. I only lost 15KM of range over the entire week. I was very suprised. Parked at 350 came back had 335. Very impressive when considering the temp it was in.

Like others said it varies. Since I belong to the minority who have driven Model S a fair amount in -20 to -30 degrees I can tell you a few interesting things:

Seat heaters and radio take almost nothing.
Cabin heat takes a bunch. Cross country driving in minus 20 F with cabin heat on cut my range literally in half.
Pre heating cabin and battery while plugged is a huge advantage

To answer your question adout idle time based on my experience with Model S. Seat heaters and radio on you can probably "idle" for days and nights on end.
Cabin Heater on at 32 deg F. Maybe a day and one night.
Cabin Heater on at minus 30. Ten hours top

TypeRNammer

02-18-2021, 08:37 PM

2015 i3 REX reporting in. IMO, this is a great car for <$25k. We love the compact design, yet tons of room inside. I can fit two bikes with the back seat folded down and the overall interior build quality is what you expect from BMW.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/466220954533985/?ref=facebook_story_share

There's a winter tires setup for your car that I came across Facebook marketplace

twitchyzero

02-19-2021, 09:37 AM

bet those pizza slicers do well in deep snow :ahwow:

how are your all-seasons in the winter? rwd + instant full torque

Koflach

02-19-2021, 01:12 PM

bet those pizza slicers do well in deep snow :ahwow:

how are your all-seasons in the winter? rwd + instant full torque

Those aren't pizza slicers, these are. https://imgur.com/gallery/qwIxypz

underscore

02-19-2021, 04:08 PM

Probably longer than a gas car.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/how-long-can-a-p100d-idle.135350/

Makes sense that it depends on the temp, but that's using the full battery. A Model S Long Range needs 60% of its battery just to go from Van to Kelowna, even if you ignore the cold and the mountains. So at best you've got maybe 4 hrs of heat should you get stuck. That's probably enough but you'd definitely want to be more prepared for the cold.

JDMDreams

02-19-2021, 04:44 PM

I was ripping it this last weekend with the model y rwd as I specifically wanted to try it on wet cold weather and I couldn't break the tires loose.

Manic!

02-19-2021, 07:34 PM

Makes sense that it depends on the temp, but that's using the full battery. A Model S Long Range needs 60% of its battery just to go from Van to Kelowna, even if you ignore the cold and the mountains. So at best you've got maybe 4 hrs of heat should you get stuck. That's probably enough but you'd definitely want to be more prepared for the cold.

I would just turn on the heated seats and wear a jacked. Heated seats use way less power.

snowball

02-19-2021, 09:13 PM

I would just turn on the heated seats and wear a jacked. Heated seats use way less power.

Yeah, if you're going into -20C weather, you'd be wearing a jacket anyway and intermittently run the car for heat. Why would anyone idle for 10 hours, that's just asking to run out of gas when the highway reopens or get CO poisoning.

JDMDreams

02-19-2021, 10:47 PM

I was stuck on the coq a few years back in winter and it was quite scary as I totally didn't prepare for it. No food or really drinks. Had about less than half a tank of gas? Car drove fine but it was due to the fact that they shut down the highway and no one could u turn as there was dividers. And there was no cell reception so we didn't really know how long we would be stuck for.

underscore

02-20-2021, 01:08 AM

I agree you probably wouldn't want to run it full time, but things can cool off fast so it might not save you much. You see horribly unprepared people get stuck/crash on the Coq all the time so the only real difference would be they'd need a tow and not just a jerry can.

Why would you get CO poisoning by idling in open air halfway up a mountain?

twitchyzero

02-20-2021, 07:11 AM

does this happen few times a week at least or just after a very bad crash few times a year

and it's an extra hour or two added? never driven it in the winter

within the city i remember being redirected to queensborough bridge at snails pace when knight st had a closure and i was at or below E

on road trips i never let it go below 1/4 haha

MG1

02-20-2021, 09:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxoPwYIx2s4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR9WbQQPjgs

I love it when there's competition............. sit back and wait for EV's to evolve to the point where ICE wouldn't make sense to buy

JDMDreams

02-21-2021, 01:35 AM

Ice doesn't make sense to buy now when gas is $1.44

TypeRNammer

02-21-2021, 08:36 AM

Well that was short lived, Tesla kills off the model Y standard range

https://insideevs.com/news/489607/tesla-cancel-model-y-standard-range/amp/

Hondaracer

02-21-2021, 09:22 AM

Ice doesn't make sense to buy now when gas is $1.44

A 25k civic still makes more sense than a 45k model 3.

Especially if you have range anxiety

JDMDreams

02-21-2021, 11:26 AM

Damn no model y for me. I was waiting for them to drop the price cuz they did in japan and USA

twitchyzero

02-21-2021, 11:37 AM

single motor ID.4 0-60 8.5s

ok its buyers aren't gonna care and that's fine for ICE but seems lethargic for an EV

JDMDreams

02-21-2021, 05:29 PM

mickz

02-22-2021, 01:17 PM

JDMDreams

02-22-2021, 01:31 PM

^ in terms of interest, and monthly payment. And you also get more range on the Tesla. I think like 230 vs 400km

is350

02-23-2021, 01:01 AM

MG1

02-23-2021, 04:48 AM

It depends on the buyer... all the road rage that have been happening against teslas and the keying incidents... No thanks, I will not own a tesla even if it's cheaper than a primus or leaf, it grabs too much attention even though I know they are almost a dime in a dozen in Richmond...

And I swear 8 out 10 tesla drivers are pycho drivers, weaving in and traffic, almost like the new BMW drivers

I weave in and out of traffic all the time.......... and I don't drive a Tesla.

I agree with you that they are almost a dime a dozen, but you see that in just about any municipality. Bring in the clones, I say.

tegra7

02-23-2021, 07:06 AM

Ice doesn't make sense to buy now when gas is $1.44

What is ice? I'm new to this thread. Decided on getting a model 3 in June.

JDMDreams

02-23-2021, 08:55 AM

Internal combustion engine

headhunt3r

02-23-2021, 09:31 AM

The Ioniq 5 looks interesting. Of course, price will be a huge factor once that info is released. I don't know if I like Hyundai pumping out new models that seemingly gets killed every other year though.

underscore

02-23-2021, 12:55 PM

Actually not really, like I mentioned previously, Nissan wants 3.99% to finance the leaf I think they quoted me about $580 72 mth.

I just specced a mid level prius prime without the tech package. Toyota wants 4.49% to finance 72 mth and the payments are $616 a mth.

Tesla quoted me 2.4% for 96mth at around $562 a month. Yes it is longer and more money but you can drive tesla for less than the price of a leaf. And given the current interest rate and investment environment I rather finance at as low rate as possible and keep cash to invest.

What's the reliability and parts availability for the Nissan like? The extra $18/mo might be worth it to not have a huge wait for parts should you need them.

I love it when there's competition............. sit back and wait for EV's to evolve to the point where ICE wouldn't make sense to buy

They probably make more sense now than they will later. I'm waiting to see when EV running costs start to go up. Eventually the cost of electricity will go up when the grid can't keep up, and at some point EV's are going to have to start chipping in for the stuff currently covered by the $0.24-36/L in taxes on gas.

GLOW

02-23-2021, 12:59 PM

It depends on the buyer... all the road rage that have been happening against teslas and the keying incidents... No thanks, I will not own a tesla even if it's cheaper than a primus or leaf, it grabs too much attention even though I know they are almost a dime in a dozen in Richmond...

And I swear 8 out 10 tesla drivers are pycho drivers, weaving in and traffic, almost like the new BMW drivers

am i missing something? have there been anti-tesla people out there trashing teslas? there's so many teslas on the road now it it's mainstream...

i don't recall seeing anything in the news

JDMDreams

02-23-2021, 01:11 PM

^^ plus you gotta be stupid to do anything to the Tesla, they have like 360 dash cam and sentry mode

GLOW

02-23-2021, 02:04 PM

if you're a fanatic you won't care, look at the anti-maskers starting shit, filming themselves and posting it to their social media like they're in the right with this look on their face EleGiggle

TypeRNammer

02-23-2021, 02:12 PM

What's the reliability and parts availability for the Nissan like? The extra $18/mo might be worth it to not have a huge wait for parts should you need them.

What parts do you need though?

I was able to easily grab wiper blades and cabin air filters at the local Tesla store.

The only thing that's a pain in the ass are body shops since there are only a few shops that are Tesla approved. And the wait list could be months before the body shop can start repairing your Tesla.

underscore

02-23-2021, 02:24 PM

I thought there was a huge backlog on repair parts from Tesla atm?

Manic!

02-23-2021, 02:33 PM

I thought there was a huge backlog on repair parts from Tesla atm?

but whats there to repair?

TypeRNammer

02-23-2021, 02:39 PM

but whats there to repair?

Probably regarding body repair.

Wait list for parts

Wait list for bringing a Tesla into the approved bodyshop.

Think mine took about 3 months from booking an appointment to finally getting it repaired from a rear Ender's.

JDMDreams

02-23-2021, 04:54 PM

^ so what happens? Do you get a replacement car for the 3 months? Another Tesla?

TypeRNammer

02-24-2021, 09:11 AM

^ so what happens? Do you get a replacement car for the 3 months? Another Tesla?

Basically you're driving around your Tesla with damaged panels until there's an opening at the bodyshop.

Once at the shop, then they will provide a courtesy car.

Mine took about a week for it to get fixed.

But a couple of months for a spot to open up at the bodyshop

underscore

02-24-2021, 09:20 AM

What happens if it's something you can't drive around with, like a door?

twitchyzero

02-24-2021, 09:46 AM

https://thumb.spokesman.com/3sMSelOQIaLN8mTrEmeqgxDq7pg=/2500x0/media.spokesman.com/photos/2019/06/11/LIME_SCOOTER_1.JPG.jpg

Manic!

02-24-2021, 10:01 AM

https://thumb.spokesman.com/3sMSelOQIaLN8mTrEmeqgxDq7pg=/2500x0/media.spokesman.com/photos/2019/06/11/LIME_SCOOTER_1.JPG.jpg

Are those available in Vancouver?

punkwax

02-24-2021, 11:50 AM

^ not Limes but I rented a similar scoot in Kelowna last year and it was fuuuuun.

Traum

02-24-2021, 01:55 PM

If e-scooters are approved for general private use on city streets / sidewalk / bike lanes, it would reduce my car use by so much that it isn't even funny. It's really too bad that Vancouver is moving so slowly on this issue.

An e-scooter would be the #1 EV that I'd love to purchase.

TypeRNammer

02-24-2021, 06:48 PM

What happens if it's something you can't drive around with, like a door?

Good question, hasn't happened to me yet ***knock on wood***

twitchyzero

02-24-2021, 07:09 PM

Traum

02-24-2021, 10:00 PM

what's stopping you? will Cain VI e-scooters?
I just don't want to bother with the risks of getting ticketed. I know people have been saying that as long as you ride one sensibly, you should be OK. But I live in Vancouver, and as you can imagine, my faith in the VPD for this sort of thing isn't really all that high.

Vege

02-26-2021, 06:35 PM

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/25/tech/hyundai-ev-recall/index.html

Hyundai just had to recall all their Konas due to their batteries catching fire.

supafamous

03-01-2021, 05:24 AM

single motor ID.4 0-60 8.5s

ok its buyers aren't gonna care and that's fine for ICE but seems lethargic for an EV

Where's your number from? Motor Trend has it at 7.4 which is pretty reasonable for an entry level EV - MT doesn't abuse their cars too much for testing so that should be a realistic number. https://www.motortrend.com/cars/volkswagen/id4/2021/2021-volkswagen-id4-ev-first-test-review/

Reviews in general sound pretty good - it's the first EV that is legit interesting to me that I can afford (The Taycan is the other one that is interesting). The dual motor one would probably be plenty of daily performance for me. Now I just need a place to charge it since I park on the street.

twitchyzero

03-01-2021, 07:48 AM

European review so different spec or underrated by vw

VR6GTI

03-01-2021, 07:07 PM

Anyone here have a deposit down on the Mach E? Seems like most reviews I have read have it rated better than the model Y

Manic!

03-01-2021, 08:24 PM

Anyone here have a deposit down on the Mach E? Seems like most reviews I have read have it rated better than the model Y

Talked to a salesman at the dealership when they announced it. Mom needed a new car. Could not get an accurate price just some rough estimates depending on the model, options launch edition etc. Have a model Y now. Dad drives it more than his Porsche cayenne turbo hybrid. When Tesla has full self driving it's game over.

JDMDreams

03-01-2021, 09:57 PM

I'm sold on the auto pilot already, why do I have to drive myself like a peasant when the car can drive itself. I haven't really driven any other system, so I'm not sure if that's the best system.

twitchyzero

03-02-2021, 05:31 AM

very interesting spectrum of people holding onto manuals and those who can't wait for autonomous

i can see it being frustrating 4-way stops up a hill with more than a few cars in front of you each morning ..otherwise dailying a fun car hasn't bothered me even in 3 full lanes on kingsway/broadway etc.

JDMDreams

03-02-2021, 08:32 AM

My daily commute consists of highways and stop and go city traffic. It makes no sense to drive my supercharged v8 or my supercharged v6 toy cars as dd anymore given that they both need premium and I'm guessing it's about $1.65 now. Also I get complementary vi if I drive them into Van. A base model 3 would probably beat them off the line at any red light. Let alone a dual motor. I've tried the base y and nothing can out accelerate you at a red light. I'm not paying for any gas in stop and go traffic plus it will pretty much drive itself on the highway. I don't see any negatives as a dd. The amount I'm spending on gas each month currently pays for like 80% of the Tesla payment.

This is a base rwd model y with the software upgrade for like $2500:lawl:

https://youtu.be/fXQCSZK6Gl4

Bender Unit

03-02-2021, 09:37 AM

The amount I'm spending on gas each month currently pays for like 80% of the Tesla payment.https://youtu.be/fXQCSZK6Gl4

^This. Agreed
That's why I am joining EV gang and trading in my SUV this weekend

Anyone here have a deposit down on the Mach E? Seems like most reviews I have read have it rated better than the model Y

I just spotted a Mach E yesterday. Someone Test Drove it.
Probably from nearby dealership Brown's Bro
It looks small

AstulzerRZD

03-02-2021, 12:16 PM

^This. Agreed
That's why I am joining EV gang and trading in my SUV this weekend

I just spotted a Mach E yesterday. Someone Test Drove it.
Probably from nearby dealership Brown's Bro
It looks small

I hear those early build Mach Es aren't any better built than the Model Y

sonick

03-02-2021, 01:46 PM

I hear those early build Mach Es aren't any better built than the Model Y

Heard this as well based on youtube reviews; might be a nitpick but I find the door pulls are goofy, looks like a stick-on 'mod' you buy at the Chinese car accessory shop at Parker Place:

https://cnet1.cbsistatic.com/img/QsfhTphhrlfZwNhOjfYUgy0eZgY=/980x551/2019/11/07/8b38c3fc-5e92-421e-998f-bb612e860cd7/rs-ford-mustang-mache-69.jpg

radeonboy

03-02-2021, 03:07 PM

I just spotted a Mach E yesterday. Someone Test Drove it.
Probably from nearby dealership Brown's Bro
It looks small

I saw these at the LA auto show - it's long but narrow in width giving it weird proportions. For reference it's narrower than a Model 3 (1880mm vs. 1933mm)

twitchyzero

03-03-2021, 07:27 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EotuxCptcM4

no heat pump is a bummer

JDMDreams

03-03-2021, 11:14 AM

^^ it doesn't seem that good, and we don't get anywhere near as good discounts as the us

freakshow

03-05-2021, 08:23 PM

I'm sold on the auto pilot already, why do I have to drive myself like a peasant when the car can drive itself. I haven't really driven any other system, so I'm not sure if that's the best system.I find AP very disappointing.. its more stressful driving with it than without it.. haha. It doesn't seem to slowdown at all on highway curves, and it doesn't automatically change your speed when you move from a 50 ->70 zone for example.. it's seems pretty elementary considering that tesla's are supposed to be close to fully driving themselves.

03-06-2021, 11:47 AM

JDMDreams

03-06-2021, 03:57 PM

I've looked at used too but since Tesla's hold their value so well it makes no sense. Ppl are asking like $45000 for a few year old model 3. Which is basically what they paid new minus the discount.:rukidding: And you have to figure out financing.

Tesla offered me 2.4% on a 96 mth loan. It doesn't make sense for me to buy used unless I take money from a home line of credit at lower than 2.4%

Also for model 3 and y they introduce heat pumps which gives you a more efficient hvac so you get more range than older models. 21 is a refresh year.

Bender Unit

03-06-2021, 04:03 PM

Finally got my RAV4 PRIME XSE Tech pack today.
1 year 4 months wait since initial depoist
Happy to trade in my SUV for half PHEV

https://i.postimg.cc/W3sb96ZY/Inked-IMG-7538-LI.jpg

VR6GTI

03-06-2021, 06:44 PM

96 months lol. Is that the new normal? Sounds horrible.

JDMDreams

03-07-2021, 02:29 PM

Spent 3 hours at Tesla trying to deliver a car, still fixing defects :pokerface::lawl::yuno: exhausted

Traum

03-07-2021, 02:32 PM

Spent 3 hours at Tesla trying to deliver a car, still fixing defects :pokerface::lawl::yuno: exhausted
Exhausted because of a car that has no exhaust. LOL~

(I do hope the issues will get sorted out soon and that you can finish the delivery soon.)

freakshow

03-07-2021, 02:46 PM

Anyone have any thoughts regarding buying used Tesla vs new Tesla?
I found that Tesla's prices on their site were often better than private/third party.. and you get the 1 year warranty. So to me, it was a no-brainer. We picked up our model X for less than any private or 3p dealer had at the time.

Most private Model 3 sellers are on crack. They post their cars higher than the ones right from Tesla.

I heard there are some potential issues buying used relating to switching users that might change car extras or something?
The only issue that I know of is the if a car goes back through Tesla, there is a possibility that they change or remove options. For example, a car may have had unlimited supercharging, but after going through tesla, it gets removed.
This wouldn't be an issue in a private/3p sale. Although, to be fair, Tesla tells you exactly what the car comes with, so its not like you're paying for something and then it gets taken away from you.

cdizzle

03-07-2021, 03:34 PM

Finally got my RAV4 PRIME XSE Tech pack today.
1 year 4 months wait since initial depoist
Happy to trade in my SUV for half PHEV

https://i.postimg.cc/W3sb96ZY/Inked-IMG-7538-LI.jpg

Congrats!
Coincidentally, I traded in for a Rav4 Hybrid Limited today at same dealership too :)

JDMDreams

03-08-2021, 12:33 PM

Alright long post is long. This is a Tesla buying experience. Not my personal car but I was involved from test drive to picking up the car. Ordered mid Feb and just picked up the car yesterday. So about 3 weeks for a base 3.

Not sure how this compares so other brands but it's been years since I got a new car. It took like 6 hours to deliver the car. Had an appointment at noon, they looked pretty busy. Took about 30 min to inspect the car. Over all panel gaps is good. But lots of small issues. Lots of left over adhesive on the car from the protection wrap they said. Rub marks on the roof panel, they said it was from the black rubber gloves they use and it just leaves streaks in the headliner. One taillight had a chip in the plastic, passenger glass had a scratch on it, front bumper had a paint chip, and a gouge that can catch your fingernail. Bolts holding the hood on had paint flaking off exposing metal bolts.

Took a few hours to replace the glass, taillight. However really had to work them to swap a bumper, as originally the reps were just saying they would put touch up paint on, but the bumper was still gouged. Also when they replaced the glass they put a scratch on the wood trim on the dash. :rukidding::facepalm: so at final inspection it was like 5 pm already and everyone was hella tired. They replaced the bumper but now there's scratches on the fog light lens. So basically we just put it on record to fix the dash and the fog light. Not sure if this will really be fixed in the future. Also they painted the bolts, but it looked like someone just brushed on some white out. As they painted on top of the flaking paint......

So not sure how to feel about this. Maybe it was cuz it was a Sunday and they were trying to rush things out. But I felt it was quite sloppy and caused more damage with every fix. I don't think I was being overly picky. The trim rubber pieces also have very rough excess molding on them.

I'm still on the fence when and what model to order as they say the bc grant money is running low. :okay:

twitchyzero

03-08-2021, 12:50 PM

shouldn’t all this be done after pdi and before you come by?

roastpuff

03-08-2021, 01:33 PM

shouldn’t all this be done after pdi and before you come by?

You would think, but this is fairly common among my Tesla-owning friends, and part of why I don't really want to buy a Tesla.

Most of them have had to come back a few times to the repair center to have delivery deficiencies taken care of...

Traum

03-08-2021, 02:23 PM

Ugh, JDMDreams... I'm sorry you had to put up with that kind of crap... Experience like yours is why I am so hesitant on Tesla...

Bender Unit

03-08-2021, 04:23 PM

I'm still on the fence when and what model to order as they say the bc grant money is running low. :okay:

For Tesla, only Model 3 SR qualifed for Federal & BC rebate.
since they removed Model Y SR

https://www.cevforbc.ca/sites/default/files/CleanBC%20Eligible%20Vehicles%20Grid%20%28updated% 20March%202%2C%202021%29%20website.pdf

https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-technologies/zero-emission-vehicles/list-eligible-vehicles-under-izev-program

JDMDreams

03-08-2021, 04:40 PM

I'm wondering if they will continue to top up as no one will buy if there's no grant. O and the 3 I picked up is the newest build and it still doesn't have heated steering wheel which I really want.:okay:

JSALES

03-09-2021, 09:01 PM

Are most of these issues usually only on the Tesla Model 3? Are these issues found on the Model X or Model S as well?

GLOW

03-10-2021, 07:09 AM

someone shared a horror story of a Y everything from scratches to misalignment to grease stains, total nightmare

Koflach

03-10-2021, 12:57 PM

I bought my 3 in September 2018 and my delivery experience was completely the opposite of yours JDMDreams. I think I was in and out in about 2 hours from when we first sat down. I bought a Long Range RWD 3 and there were no issues it. After the fact I did have them make an adjustment to one of the panel gaps but actual delivery experience was great.

One thing that they really need to do a better job on though is pre delivery inspections and to stop pressuring people to take the car when it is not up to standards.

However, Tesla is far from the only company with these issues. I worked for Middlegate Honda for a little while about 15+ years ago and remember delivering a Honda Fit to someone with what looked like a cigarette burn in the paint on the roof. As the car was so new in the market they took the car under the promise of getting it repaired. Not once did I ever have anyone question things like panel gaps there, it seems like people have really focused in on this issue with Tesla's but essentially ignore it on other brands.

toyota86

03-10-2021, 03:18 PM

I had a few tesla vehicles come through the shop. They were all used units. The fit and finish, the build quality are quite poor on all of them. They didn't age well. Even on units that are supposedly accident free, there were paint drips, crooked bumpers, missing screws, under spray, loose trims. The interiors wore out quickly as well as lots of rattles. One was filled with sand. Apparently some plug or seal was missing or not sealing, dirt gets sucked into the car some how. On ones that needed repairs, parts took forever to arrive. There was one with a glitchy screen. Nothing I could do. The thing was a paperweight half the time. Teslas are not built like normal cars. It kind of resembles Lotus in its manufacturing and that's generally not a good thing. Makes you scratch your head on some of their engineering choices. As someone who likes build quality, redundancies, and fail safes, I wouldn't recommend a tesla. If you want an reliable, durable electric car, you really should wait for Honda or Toyota to build one. And the tesla cult is a real thing. Its scary how far they are willing to go to defend the brand and their messiah musk. Mirrors those belonging to the apple cult and or the RR Porsche cult.

Euro7r

03-10-2021, 03:28 PM

The service and product itself is mediocre with Tesla. Would get better service buying a Honda/Toyota than Tesla. Buddy brother spent $90K for a brand new Y and when he went in on the day to take delivery, so many quality defects. It's supposed to be a brand "new" vehicle, it look like it was in used condition LOL.

Y2K_o__o

03-29-2021, 12:44 AM

Haven't looked through this thread in detail but have a couple questions:

Anyone have any thoughts regarding buying used Tesla vs new Tesla? I heard there are some potential issues buying used relating to switching users that might change car extras or something?

Thoughts on financing with Tesla directly versus through banks or other mediums?

Buy used unless they are much lower than new, but I found used tesla on craigslist / fb marketplace are more expensive than brand new...

Most used 2019 base 3 with about 30,000-50,000 km mileage are listed for like $45k or so.. if you buy brand new, you have the government incentive, 0 km, brand new interior, and warranty too...

wing_woo

03-30-2021, 09:00 AM

Finally got my RAV4 PRIME XSE Tech pack today.
1 year 4 months wait since initial depoist
Happy to trade in my SUV for half PHEV

https://i.postimg.cc/W3sb96ZY/Inked-IMG-7538-LI.jpg

Nice. Congrats! This is what I wanted, but I just didn't want to wait over a year. Even the 3 months I waited to get my XSE Hybrid felt like forever...haha.

JDMDreams

03-30-2021, 09:11 AM

I went and test drove a 2020 Outlander phev and it's not bad in terms of driving, doesn't feel under powered or sluggish as reviews say. More than enough for city driving, and you really have to floor it to get the gas engine to kick in. Also they already have a 2022 new Outlander at metro Mitsubishi. But no pricing and not allowed to test drive yet. I sat in it and it's a huge improvement over the current car.

twitchyzero

03-30-2021, 06:44 PM

looks great (concept)

https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/lexus-cms-media/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/2021-Lexus-LFZ-0014-1500x900.jpg

supafamous

04-14-2021, 12:41 PM

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36106875/2022-audi-q4-e-tron-revealed/

Starting to get really appealing here. Claims it has a Q5 sized interior which is a half size too small for me but it's getting awfully close. Good looking, solid performance, good range, and pricing isn't nuts for a luxury product.

I really like my RDX but the fuel consumption for my short trips is kinda mind boggling (15L/100km) - I really have little to no need for range above 200km for the most part - perhaps once a year I do.

CorneringArtist

04-14-2021, 12:52 PM

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36109635/2022-mazda-mx-30-ev-us-specs/

Mazda coming with the MX-30 EV...with an option for a rotary engine PHEV.

Traum

04-14-2021, 12:58 PM

Esp in the US market, Mazda is totally setting itself up for failure by not including the range extender rotary PHEV version right off the bat.

twitchyzero

04-14-2021, 09:39 PM

converted from a fwd dino burner like the electric mini

no thanks

twitchyzero

04-14-2021, 09:48 PM

https://global.yamaha-motor.com/news/2021/0412/ev-motor.html

https://global.yamaha-motor.com/news/2021/0412/img/pic_002.jpg

yamaha motors can scale up to 1900hp, please build a real supra with it ResidentSleeper

cafe22

04-14-2021, 10:04 PM

they should just put a mini 4wd shell.

https://www.tamiya.com/english/products/18706/top.jpg

twitchyzero

04-23-2021, 02:19 PM

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/v9NgK/s3/toyota-rav4-prime-left-and-toyota-bz4x-bev-concept-right.jpg

venza-like EV with subbie AWD
made in china and in japan
available next summer

electric HR-V
likely based on GM's Ultium battery
unknown if it'll come to our market

https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/800x450/format/jpg/quality/85/https://s.aolcdn.com/os/ab/_cms/2021/04/19140829/Honda-SUV-e-prototype-Shanghai-2021-02.jpeg

JDMDreams

04-23-2021, 02:23 PM

Man anyone thinking Tesla is gonna tank? I mean id4 is out I think. And pretty much every car maker is releasing a new electric car 2022.

sonick

04-23-2021, 02:25 PM

Man anyone thinking Tesla is gonna tank? I mean id4 is out I think. And pretty much every car maker is releasing a new electric car 2022.

bUt TeSlA iS sO mUcH mOrE tHaN jUsT a CaR mAkEr!!!!!!!!

-tesla fanbois

Manic!

04-23-2021, 02:57 PM

Man anyone thinking Tesla is gonna tank? I mean id4 is out I think. And pretty much every car maker is releasing a new electric car 2022.

Tesla is way father ahead then other companies With tech and charging stations. The shopping experience is way better than other companies. People higher think of them as a end luxury bran. Who is going to pick a Honda or a Ford over a Tesla? When they make a 30K EV it's going to put a hurt on other car makers. When they have full self driving game over.

JDMDreams

04-23-2021, 03:06 PM

^^ that's the thing, the auto pilot is still a big deal for me. I still have deposit down but I haven't picked up a car yet. But Tesla QC is still horrible.

bcrdukes

04-23-2021, 05:52 PM

:pokerface:
https://i.imgflip.com/56xjj7.jpg

twitchyzero

04-23-2021, 07:14 PM

tsla teamed up with toyota so hopefully their build quality out of the new factory will suck less

JDMDreams

04-23-2021, 08:20 PM

The bus has Coronas:fuckthatshit:

Teriyaki

04-23-2021, 08:52 PM

The bus has Coronas:fuckthatshit:

That's called the party bus

cafe22

04-26-2021, 08:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2tHJD6mMbE

if this could be within Tesla 3 pricing, I would totally consider one.

!Aznboi128

04-26-2021, 09:58 PM

^ Rather have the EV6 instead. Same platform but better (imo) design

Manic!

04-29-2021, 01:28 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXrOJ7fFatM

kr4l

05-02-2021, 09:03 PM

https://i.ibb.co/WkYVT72/B5466-F37-71-C9-4-FF5-BAC9-EEC056-C25-CDE.jpg (https://ibb.co/qNPJZhr)

My Rav4 Prime finally came in.

Teriyaki

05-02-2021, 09:23 PM

^ Whats the retail on one of those

JDMDreams

05-02-2021, 11:36 PM

I'm guessing about $58000

Koflach

05-03-2021, 01:18 PM

^ Whats the retail on one of those

https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/build-price/rav4-prime

JDMDreams

05-03-2021, 01:42 PM

So how is it? Worth the hype and wait? Or just get a regular hybrid?

G0rilla

05-03-2021, 03:52 PM

Anybody have recommendation for someone to install Ev charger in townhouse? I've heard a few quotes that are drastically different.

double0seven

05-03-2021, 04:08 PM

https://i.ibb.co/WkYVT72/B5466-F37-71-C9-4-FF5-BAC9-EEC056-C25-CDE.jpg (https://ibb.co/qNPJZhr)

My Rav4 Prime finally came in.

I just want to say I don't live too far from you . :offtopic:

whitev70r

05-03-2021, 04:09 PM

I'm guessing about $58000

That's nutz! More than a Tesla ... more than the car parked beside it.

kr4l

05-03-2021, 10:19 PM

So how is it? Worth the hype and wait? Or just get a regular hybrid?

It’s a great baby hauler. No complaints. 60+km ev range is great. I drive a lot and was paying $100 a week on gas so this definitely helps a lot. I’m still not used to all the tech these new cars come with and the car being silent on ev mode. Overall, would recommend.

I’m sure regular hybrid is fine but the wife wanted the pano roof and only the prime tech package came with that.

For my lifestyle, I would never go full electric

kr4l

05-03-2021, 10:21 PM

I just want to say I don't live too far from you . :offtopic:

:hi:

SumAznGuy

05-04-2021, 11:06 AM

For my lifestyle, I would never go full electric

What makes you say that?

cafe22

05-04-2021, 12:04 PM

Anybody have recommendation for someone to install Ev charger in townhouse? I've heard a few quotes that are drastically different.

I suggest https://cieloelectric.ca if you're doing this for the whole TH strata.

cafe22

05-04-2021, 12:10 PM

I guess if you want 1 car that could cover most of the 'trends' nowadays (EV, Overlanding, baby hauler) then the RAV4 Prime is a top candidate. But dropping 60k+ on a rav4 must be a hard pill to swallow...

bcrdukes

05-04-2021, 12:39 PM

Assuming you are keeping it for a while (like most people do for Toyota's) I don't think it would be hit as hard with depreciation.

The downside to all of this is that technology changes pretty quickly so you'd really have to commit to this to reap the benefits of ownership.

kr4l

05-04-2021, 02:26 PM

What makes you say that?

I hate waiting for things and my time is way too important to me (or I’m just way to impatient). Things happen in my business where I need to be at certain places at any given time so the thought of not having enough charged is not something I want to deal with and just thinking of having to find a place to charge and plan my time around that gives me anxiety. I’m also really spontaneous due to my schedule at work so I could literally drive to say Seattle at an instant with no planning.

Also, IMO Tesla’s are ugly as balls

cafe22

05-04-2021, 02:40 PM

Hondaracer

05-04-2021, 04:07 PM

kr4l

05-04-2021, 04:31 PM

but I mean, you're not going be driving 24/7 right? With a level 2 charging station at home, you will always have 80%+ range when you aren't sleeping. IMO, anything with over 200km of daily range is plenty.

I agree with what you said, but my lifestyle and work/life balance is nothing like 99% of the other people out there. It just wouldn’t work with full EV. But for the regular commuter it’s probably more than enough

bcrdukes

05-04-2021, 05:00 PM

And all the plastic you get with a 60k+ Toyota lol..

Are other brands using gold or platinum?

tegra7

05-05-2021, 12:26 PM

Is it possible to get an aftermarket used car warranty on a Model 3 after the basic 4 year warranty runs out?

SiRV

05-07-2021, 02:57 PM

The new 2022 Tucson looking pretty nice too! Love the front headlight set up

whitev70r

05-09-2021, 09:05 AM

Kudos to Musk on SNL. Courage to share that he has Asberger's syndrome.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57045770

Tech entrepreneur Elon Musk has revealed he has Asperger's syndrome while appearing on the US comedy sketch series Saturday Night Live (SNL).

The 49-year-old told viewers he was "the first person with Asperger's" to host the long-running programme - to loud cheers from the audience.

People with Asperger's interpret the environment around them differently to other people.

It is thought to be the first time Mr Musk has spoken about his condition.

GLOW

05-10-2021, 07:13 AM

i thought it was pretty good and witty, he looked nervous, his mom even more so...

in reading reviews, i saw an article saying he 'erased' dan ackroyd b/c he stated he's on the spectrum too ... can't please everyone.

tegra7

05-17-2021, 07:49 PM

https://youtu.be/CLnaParvC_8

Manic!

05-18-2021, 11:31 AM

Ford revealing the F-150 lighting tomorrow. Lets see how they do the pre-orders. Biden visited Ford and they had one on display.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/8Dg9xXMdmP7dAnLUY0kN_wS0SVM=/0x0:3588x1926/1200x800/filters:focal(1507x676:2081x1250)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/69306562/f150_lightning.6.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjisj5T0VqE

tegra7

05-18-2021, 09:34 PM

I hear Teslas are no longer eligible for federal incentives?

Klondike

05-19-2021, 12:08 AM

Are other brands using gold or platinum?

off topic, but I miss having gold badges and emblems. Makes any econobox look p r e m i u m

supafamous

05-19-2021, 06:02 AM

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36465183/2022-kia-ev6-us-specs/

Looks great, has the room I'd want, and the mid level 313hp model would have the performance I'd want (maybe not the handling though).

SumAznGuy

05-19-2021, 06:19 AM

I hear Teslas are no longer eligible for federal incentives?

Where did you hear this? I haven't heard of anything about that yet.

TOS'd

05-19-2021, 06:34 AM

I hear Teslas are no longer eligible for federal incentives?

The Model 3 is still listed here: https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-technologies/zero-emission-vehicles/list-eligible-vehicles-under-izev-program

Bender Unit

05-19-2021, 01:49 PM

I hear Teslas are no longer eligible for federal incentives?

In the US, Tesla no longer eligible.
Tesla has sold over 200,000 eligible electric vehicles, and all of its federal tax credits have been phased out.

in Canada, Tesla Model 3 SR and SR+ still qualify for Canadian Federal incentives

JDMDreams

05-19-2021, 02:15 PM

Stonks free fall? Can't wait to try the Ionic 5

Manic!

05-19-2021, 06:04 PM

Ford hit it out of the park with the F-150. It looks just like a regular F-150. 300 miles of range, 600 HP, 0 to 60 in the 4-second range 11 a/c plugs around the truck and can power your house for up to 3 days. Starting at $39999 US. Bill Ford says Biden took one for a drive around the test track and laid some rubber. I 100% believed that. They are going to sell a but load of these.

twitchyzero

05-19-2021, 07:08 PM

needs public tesla-like charging infrastructure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpwuhTTQl9A

Manic!

05-19-2021, 10:02 PM

needs public tesla-like charging infrastructure

https://owner.ford.com/support/how-tos/ev/what-is-the-ev-fordpass-charging-network.html

twitchyzero

05-19-2021, 10:23 PM

how many of those are in BC by next year?

JDMDreams

06-11-2021, 08:26 PM

"Yo dawg I heard you like plug ins so I made one" peepoClapFeelsAmazingMan:tears: build on RAV4 platform

https://youtu.be/6_PWNPEgidQ

Manic!

06-11-2021, 08:37 PM

New record for the fastest production car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zkIDLk9Qao

sonick

06-12-2021, 08:06 AM

"Yo dawg I heard you like plug ins so I made one" peepoClapFeelsAmazingMan:tears: build on RAV4 platform

https://youtu.be/6_PWNPEgidQ

Great, they should do more. The RAV4 PHEV platform is a very attractive package, hope they can scale this to increase supply and selection.

I am not really generally interested in hybrid/electric, but Ford has admittedly come up with some amazing choices lately for their new strategy of no sedans and coupes, both in their electric lineup and their ice lineup too (Bronco). Hell I'm not even remotely a pickup truck fan at all, but the electric f150 caught my attention especially the big enclosed front trunk plus a pickup bed.

JDMDreams

06-12-2021, 08:50 AM

I really wonder how much the Nx450h+ will be, considering rav 4 prime is almost $60k already.

supafamous

06-12-2021, 11:41 AM

"Yo dawg I heard you like plug ins so I made one" peepoClapFeelsAmazingMan:tears: build on RAV4 platform

https://youtu.be/6_PWNPEgidQ

Seems bizarre that they are offering 4 different drivetrains for what is a relatively low volume car (compared to the Rav4) especially when the base motor is the same as the Rav4. What's the point of that?

Acura gets a lot of shit for rebadging Hondas yet Toyota doesn't even bother hiding that nearly their whole line up are rebadged Toyotas. They don't even bother tuning up the engines like Acura does, just straight "Yeah, it's just a different badge" so it'll cost more.

JDMDreams

06-12-2021, 11:52 AM

^ they said apparently it's Lexus best selling car.

Spectre_Cdn

06-12-2021, 12:06 PM

I thought the RX was the best-selling Lexus?

The NX shares the same global platform and some powertrains as the RAV4, but I would hardly call it a rebadged Toyota. The interior and exterior are completely different. Chassis tuning and materials etc. The F-sport version has adaptive dampers.

Curious as to where the 2.4T comes from. Is it a new motor, and does it try to solve the carbon buildup problems found in the 2.0T?

!Aznboi128

06-12-2021, 07:07 PM

RX outsells the NX by far, the 4 different powertrains is so that they can cover all their bases.

Base NX250 is going to be the affordable luxury SUV
NX350 for those who like the RDX but wants a Lexus
NX350h for those who wants something a bit more economical
NX450h+ is for no one cause you're not going to be able to find one till 2 years after.

supafamous

06-13-2021, 05:44 AM

The NX shares the same global platform and some powertrains as the RAV4, but I would hardly call it a rebadged Toyota. The interior and exterior are completely different. Chassis tuning and materials etc. The F-sport version has adaptive dampers.

I may be stretching the use of 'rebadge' but how is what Lexus doing with the NX, ES, GX, LX, and UX much different than what Mitsubishi is doing with the Nissan Rogue/Outlander or what Acura did with the ILX/2G RDX/1G TLX? They're taking a non-premium chassis and dressing it up with lipstick - unlike say VW/Audi with the MQB cars, that platform has enough premium-ness in it to justify the A3.

It's a topic for another day but I can't get over how phony Lexus is as a luxury brand - they built a great rep at the beginning with the LS and GS but most of their cars are half-assed efforts that somehow get gobbled up by customers because of their rep. Not a single car of theirs is class competitive and they get a free pass.

JDMDreams

06-13-2021, 08:18 AM

^^ really? I've owned and sat on quite a few Lexus, and their interior and build quality is always notches above Toyota. Even better than Europe at times. Yes it doesn't have all the 2000s interior fast and furious neon lights, but I have no issues buying a used Lexus. Where as in 5 to 10 years things start failing on BMW's, VW and Audi.

I find euros to be much worse. Your Lamborghini, Porsche and Bentley is just a q8 toureg but you're paying 4 times the price? Don't even get bespoke engines anymore just the same v8 but tuned. Even the ghost is just a 7 series chassis.

twitchyzero

06-13-2021, 08:19 PM

have a look at the UX review by savage geese
lexus goes to great length to improve NVH, interior and tech, also handling iirc

they've been losing competitive edge because they stretch out their lifespans but lately there's a whole buncha models off the new architecture..4 powertrains to choose from is also pretty impressive

68style

06-13-2021, 10:58 PM

Hasn’t Audi been using the same engines for like 10+ years?

2.0T, supercharged 3.0V6 and the 4.2 V8 have been in like most of their platforms for a solid decade.

v_tec

06-20-2021, 04:10 PM

I know it's been on and off, but does anyone know if its still possible to get an in-store order of the Model Y in Standard Range? Or is that done for good?

JDMDreams

06-20-2021, 05:04 PM

^ standard range as in 150km? I thought they never made that

TypeRNammer

06-20-2021, 07:52 PM

^ standard range as in 150km? I thought they never made that

Standard range as in getting 393km and only RWD for the Model Y.

!Aznboi128

06-21-2021, 09:59 AM

I know it's been on and off, but does anyone know if its still possible to get an in-store order of the Model Y in Standard Range? Or is that done for good?
I inquired about this a bit ago they still had some on lot but you can't order them anymore.

JDMDreams

06-21-2021, 10:13 AM

^ the math didn't really make sense, I looked into them before they discontinued it, but the thing was they weren't eligible for the $5000 grant. So basically you are paying $5000 more plus tax for the same car but with less range. So unless you really needed that extra space I couldn't justify the added cost.

dark0821

06-24-2021, 10:41 PM

New kid on the block...

Ferrari 296.. got 2.9L V6 Twin Turbo Plug In.... err... sigh... I guess still a 430 six speed or 599 six speed for me if I ever win the lotto...

https://s.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/1049x590/quality/80/https://s.aolcdn.com/os/ab/_cms/2021/06/24094651/Ferrari-296-gtb-7.jpg

https://s.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/1049x590/quality/80/https://s.aolcdn.com/os/ab/_cms/2021/06/24094649/Ferrari-296-gtb-6.jpg

https://s.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/1049x590/quality/80/https://s.aolcdn.com/os/ab/_cms/2021/06/24095718/ferrari-296-gtb-14.jpg

https://s.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/1049x590/quality/80/https://s.aolcdn.com/os/ab/_cms/2021/06/24094652/Ferrari-296-gtb-8.jpg

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/06/24/ferrari-296-gtb-phev-v6-sports-car-reveal/#slide-2329448

Koflach

06-29-2021, 09:03 PM

I sold my 2018 Model 3 RWD Long Range yesterday and picked up a 2021 Model 3 Dual Motor (non performance) today. I am really surprised with all the improvements they have made over the last 3 years, especially with the fit and finish on the car. My 2018 had a decent number of little issues with it that added up when I first got it, this one had 2 minor issues that i'm looking to get fixed.