[SumAznGuy]

Just wanted to share my experience this past Sunday with my 2018 Leaf.
The car has the Nissan passive air-cooled 40 kwh battery pack.
Left Burnaby with a full charge. Made it to Hope with 20% battery left and the battery temps at 3/4. This was all highway driving at 10 km/h over the speed limit on the cruise control and AC on.
$5 of charge time at a BC Hydro DC fast charger and the battery was just before the first red mark and showing 50% battery.
Hopped on the highway with the intentions of stopping in Chilliwack for some more DC fast charge. Got to Chilliwack and got in about 15 mins of fast charge but it was too hot and we decided to head back to the highway and try to hit Coquitlam Superstore for a quick top up charge before heading home.
We were approximately 65 kms from the Coquitlam superstore with 62 kms of range left so we stopped in Abbotsford for a quick top up. The battery was just at red and charging at 16 kwh.
After another $6 of charge time, the battery was now in the red but we had enough range to make it home.
Getting on the highway, everything was fine till we passed Langley and into Surrey, the highway speeds pushed the battery temps deep into the red and I got the high temp warning screen and the power to the car was deeply reduced. I could go highway speeds but there was no acceleration. I limped it all the way home with only 7% battery and 19 km of range.

Overall, I still love my Leaf. Makes a great city car. I think if we had the plus with the 62 kwh battery, we could have saved 1 or 2 of the charging pit stops. But definitely in the heat, the passive air cooling isn't enough cooling on the batteries.

Did anyone go on a road trip in the Tesla during this heat wave. Would be interesting to see how people's Tesla's faired in the heat and high speed charging.

[Manic!]

Just got a call from a GM dealer. They are now taking reservations for the Hummer EV. It's $500 and they will have 2 of each for a total of 4. Deposit is 100% refundable.

[TouringTeg]

Just had a ride in a coworkers 2016 Golf E today. Nice that and it looks and drives like a car. 170kms of range or so. Nice choice for someone who doesn’t need a lot of range.
Was definitely quick with that instant torque.

[BIC_BAWS]

I'm only here to say... an electric car would have been great to just sit in the garage and blast AC over the past heat wave. No combustion = no carbon monoxide poisoning.

That is all. Back to my 90s shitbox

[jaaagman]

^ where did you sell your old car? Trade or back to Tesla? Used model 3 prices are more expensive than new :rukidding:

Right?? I was at looking at a franchise dealer lot, and I saw a row of Model 3's that were slightly used selling for around MSRP. Makes me wonder if there is a loophole that allows people to get the EV rebates but still sell/trade in the cars for profit :suspicious:

[donjalapeno]

Anyone have experience with the new Elantra Hybrid?

[Hondaracer]

Just wanted to share my experience this past Sunday with my 2018 Leaf.
The car has the Nissan passive air-cooled 40 kwh battery pack.
Left Burnaby with a full charge. Made it to Hope with 20% battery left and the battery temps at 3/4. This was all highway driving at 10 km/h over the speed limit on the cruise control and AC on.
$5 of charge time at a BC Hydro DC fast charger and the battery was just before the first red mark and showing 50% battery.
Hopped on the highway with the intentions of stopping in Chilliwack for some more DC fast charge. Got to Chilliwack and got in about 15 mins of fast charge but it was too hot and we decided to head back to the highway and try to hit Coquitlam Superstore for a quick top up charge before heading home.
We were approximately 65 kms from the Coquitlam superstore with 62 kms of range left so we stopped in Abbotsford for a quick top up. The battery was just at red and charging at 16 kwh.
After another $6 of charge time, the battery was now in the red but we had enough range to make it home.
Getting on the highway, everything was fine till we passed Langley and into Surrey, the highway speeds pushed the battery temps deep into the red and I got the high temp warning screen and the power to the car was deeply reduced. I could go highway speeds but there was no acceleration. I limped it all the way home with only 7% battery and 19 km of range.

Overall, I still love my Leaf. Makes a great city car. I think if we had the plus with the 62 kwh battery, we could have saved 1 or 2 of the charging pit stops. But definitely in the heat, the passive air cooling isn't enough cooling on the batteries.

Did anyone go on a road trip in the Tesla during this heat wave. Would be interesting to see how people's Tesla's faired in the heat and high speed charging.

Lol..no offense but this sounds like a nightmare.

[freakshow]

Being able to pre-cool my car from 39 degrees to 21 before getting in was definitely nice

[twitchyzero]

we've all forgotten to charge our phones every now and then...what happens when you start work commute under 30% and there's no charger near work? you can make it but after work gotta look for a charger and grab dinner while waiting on it?

[Traum]

I thought most (all?) EVs have companion mobile phone apps that would remind you of your charge levels? Given how frequent we go to our phones, the chances of not having enough charge in the car because you forgot to charge should be pretty low?

[tegra7]

EV owners told to send in odometer readings for road tax.


https://thedriven.io/2021/06/30/victoria-ev-owners-told-to-send-in-odometer-readings-for-electric-vehicle-road-tax/amp/

[whitev70r]

Not having enough charge in your phone is not in the same category of inconvenience as not having enough charge in your car (esp if you're in Chilliwack)!

[Manic!]

we've all forgotten to charge our phones every now and then...what happens when you start work commute under 30% and there's no charger near work? you can make it but after work gotta look for a charger and grab dinner while waiting on it?

Depends on the car. 30% on a Tesla model 3 long range is still over 150 KM. 10 to 20 min at a Tesla supercharging station should get you enough charge to get home.

[SumAznGuy]

Lol..no offense but this sounds like a nightmare.

To be honest, it was but it also wasn't. But I just wanted to share my story.
That being said, I've driven the Leaf to Whistler and it wasn't as bad.
I've gone to Chilliwack and it also wasn't this bad.
Heck, I've taken the Leaf to Mission and ran a few sessions last April and it wasn't that bad.

Just that this time with the 45C temps was extremely hard on the batteries.

Flip side is what BIC_BAWS said. I had the car plugged in and running with the AC on in the garage with no worries of carbon monoxide poisoning.

That being said, Nissan really needs to fix the battery cooling issue.

[Traum]

EV owners told to send in odometer readings for road tax.

https://thedriven.io/2021/06/30/victoria-ev-owners-told-to-send-in-odometer-readings-for-electric-vehicle-road-tax/amp/
Any EV owner thinking his EV would always exempt him from road tax is deceiving himself. It is really no different than how all those "free" public charging would end up becoming pay per use.

[SumAznGuy]

we've all forgotten to charge our phones every now and then...what happens when you start work commute under 30% and there's no charger near work? you can make it but after work gotta look for a charger and grab dinner while waiting on it?

It's a tad difficult to say as every person's situation will differ.
I mean how far is the drive to and from work.
What charger they have at home.
What car and range they have.

Let's put it this way. If you can find a fast charger, you only need a 10 min charge and that should get you home where you can plug in the car and charge up the battery.

But at the same time, how often would you run the batteries down that low?
I've had my Leaf for almost 3 years now and this is only the second time where I let the battery run down that low. And yes there were a few nights where I was grabbing the groceries from the trunk and forgot to plug it in.

Adding to my reply to what Hondaracer said, take my story with a grain of salt. Had it not been 45C, I could have made the Hope trip with a single recharging stop. But I should also mention, if I was in a gas car, I would have had to wait 20+ mins to get gas in Abbotsford as there was a line up to get into the gas stations as everyone was coming back from the Okanagan and wanted the cheaper gas before hitting Langley.

My trip to Mission raceway last year. Started with a full charge, got to Mission Raceway with just over 60% charge. Popped into the Superstore parking lot and DC fast charged the car to 90%.
Ran the first session. Parked it.
Ran the second session and the battery over heated.
Parked the car at Superstore to charge and went for lunch. Skipped the third session.
Ran the 4th session, battery over heated so I called it a day. Skipped the 5th session and called it a day.

As battery tech improves, cars come out with more batteries, and overall charging network improves, driving an EV should be as seemless as driving a gas powered car.

[JDMDreams]

^^ do you find your leaf loses a lot of range with AC or heat on? I was looking for a cheap beater/ winter car that I might drive 2-3 days a week, looking at used leafs Vs Prius prime, hybrid Lexus, i3, older Prius, but the price premium that ppl ask for cuz it's a hybrid/ electric didn't really work based on my math. I estimated if I fill up twice a month, 60l tank each time. It would take me over 5 years to recoupe the extra $10000 that I pay for a pure ev Vs just a $5000 cheap beater. Plus I will have to deal with older battery tech and limited range.

However if I was using this as the family daily commuter then the math masks sense cuz we fill up at least once a week.

[SumAznGuy]

^^ do you find your leaf loses a lot of range with AC or heat on? I was looking for a cheap beater/ winter car that I might drive 2-3 days a week, looking at used leafs Vs Prius prime, hybrid Lexus, i3, older Prius, but the price premium that ppl ask for cuz it's a hybrid/ electric didn't really work based on my math. I estimated if I fill up twice a month, 60l tank each time. It would take me over 5 years to recoupe the extra $10000 that I pay for a pure ev Vs just a $5000 cheap beater. Plus I will have to deal with older battery tech and limited range.

However if I was using this as the family daily commuter then the math masks sense cuz we fill up at least once a week.

You really need to take a look at your wants and needs.
My next vehicle might be a hybrid only because I want an SUV again and no one has a pure EV SUV yet.

I see a loss of around 6% in range with the heat/AC/fan on.

But also consider the savings on no more oil changes and less brake jobs with an EV and regen braking.

Insurance wise, it is a little bit more expensive than a comparible ICE powered car.

[Koflach]

^ where did you sell your old car? Trade or back to Tesla? Used model 3 prices are more expensive than new :rukidding:

I sold it to Canada Drives. They offered me $49k and Tesla offered me around $31k

[Koflach]

To be honest, it was but it also wasn't. But I just wanted to share my story.
That being said, I've driven the Leaf to Whistler and it wasn't as bad.
I've gone to Chilliwack and it also wasn't this bad.
Heck, I've taken the Leaf to Mission and ran a few sessions last April and it wasn't that bad.

Just that this time with the 45C temps was extremely hard on the batteries.

Flip side is what BIC_BAWS said. I had the car plugged in and running with the AC on in the garage with no worries of carbon monoxide poisoning.

That being said, Nissan really needs to fix the battery cooling issue.

I couldn't live with that. I drove my long range model 3 to Kamloops and only had to stop once in Merrit to charge.

[Koflach]

That's still kinnda insane your brand new car still has 2 issues.

Meh, they aren't big issues by any means. one issue was a small black mark on the white interior trim and the other was an issue with some abnormal creases in the back seat. Both should be easily fixable.

[bcrdukes]

I don't think a majority of the population race their Nissan Leaf, so that's out of the norm from an operational perspective. On the flip side, SumAznGuy really pushed his car's batteries to the limits, so kudos to you. :D

[bcuzracecarz]

Seriously debating getting the wife the Mach E. Reviews have all for the most part been positive, going to drive one this week to see how it is. Will update once I drive it

[Koflach]

Seriously debating getting the wife the Mach E. Reviews have all for the most part been positive, going to drive one this week to see how it is. Will update once I drive it

It's a great looking vehicle, the only drawback is the charging network.

[G]

Drove around downtown yesterday to go into the office and I think they are opening a Lucid showroom fronting onto West Georgia & Granville in Pacific Center?

[SumAznGuy]

I couldn't live with that. I drove my long range model 3 to Kamloops and only had to stop once in Merrit to charge.

Agreed. My next EV will have to have the 62 kw battery at a minimum or bigger.

[cafe22]

Drove around downtown yesterday to go into the office and I think they are opening a Lucid showroom fronting onto West Georgia & Granville in Pacific Center?

yeah. I wonder if they will have a similar production lifespan similar to Fisker...

[v_tec]

Anyone know a good place to order a SeaSucker ski rack for the Model 3?

[bcrdukes]

I'm not sure if SeaSucker racks are vehicle specific seeing as they are "universal" but for price and local availability, ModulaRacks in Surrey has it for $539.

If you collect Canadian Tire Money and have a bunch saved up, Canadian Tire can probably price match it (listed for $599) while using your Canadian Tire money towards it. It's too niche of a product to be widely available. For something like this, I recommend buying locally in person than online.

[Koflach]

Agreed. My next EV will have to have the 62 kw battery at a minimum or bigger.

just go for a tesla next time, they have a lot more flexibility for charging.

[JDMDreams]

^^ not necessarily, Tesla uses some special plug so none of the public chargers I've been to plugs into Tesla's. Super store, IKEA etc

[Manic!]

^^ not necessarily, Tesla uses some special plug so none of the public chargers I've been to plugs into Tesla's. Super store, IKEA etc

Tesla sells adapters.

[M Speed]

You really need to take a look at your wants and needs.
My next vehicle might be a hybrid only because I want an SUV again and no one has a pure EV SUV yet.

I see a loss of around 6% in range with the heat/AC/fan on.

But also consider the savings on no more oil changes and less brake jobs with an EV and regen braking.

Insurance wise, it is a little bit more expensive than a comparible ICE powered car.

Do you mean off road capability SUV?

There are Model X, Model Y, Ariya (coming) as SUV. You also have Kona and Niro as CUV. But only AWD are Nissan and Tesla. But I am sure the Koreans will soon have full EV on Telluride and Palisade.

[M Speed]

^^ not necessarily, Tesla uses some special plug so none of the public chargers I've been to plugs into Tesla's. Super store, IKEA etc

The difference is Tesla will have adaptors to use other plugs (J1772, CCS or Chademo) but all other EVs cannot use superchargers. So I would opt for Tesla on my next EV.

as batteries get bigger, even at Level 2 charging will take quiet some time. So able to use a fast charge is a good backup plan. Even at the going rate, it is still far cheaper than gas.

[tegra7]

Tesla sells adapters.

Teslas come with the ji772 adapter.

[snowball]

Teslas come with the ji772 adapter.

Where do I get this JIZZZ adapter?

[SilverT]

Where do I get this JIZZZ adapter?

I think it stopped coming with the vehicle recently but you can order it at the tesla site or at the tesla store

[Liquid_o2]

Do you mean off road capability SUV?

There are Model X, Model Y, Ariya (coming) as SUV. You also have Kona and Niro as CUV. But only AWD are Nissan and Tesla. But I am sure the Koreans will soon have full EV on Telluride and Palisade.

There is going to be a huge wave of plug in hybrid and electric vehicles from many of the major auto companies in the next few years. It is making me wait a few years before upgrading mine or my wife's cars. Technology is moving at such a fast pace now - it only makes sense to increase the number of CUV's and SUV's that are electrified.

[tegra7]

Where do I get this JIZZZ adapter?

https://www.amazon.ca/Upated-Version-Lectron-Charging-Adapter/dp/B08HGQK323/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=tesla+adapter&qid=1625771556&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFJU0ZDWEZMNVZaOVgmZ W5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA1NjA0NDYzOUNZNTlEMkk4OFFJJmVuY3J 5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA2MTI3NDUyM1ZXVlhYRTFZTEUwJndpZGdld E5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm9 0TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

[M Speed]

There is going to be a huge wave of plug in hybrid and electric vehicles from many of the major auto companies in the next few years. It is making me wait a few years before upgrading mine or my wife's cars. Technology is moving at such a fast pace now - it only makes sense to increase the number of CUV's and SUV's that are electrified.

Like any technologies, it gets better as time goes. To me, it's the ridiculous gas that prompted me to go EV. So earlier I get in the quicker I start saving on operating cost. Plus gov't incentives will quickly dry up as electrify rams up.

[Koflach]

I think it stopped coming with the vehicle recently but you can order it at the tesla site or at the tesla store

I just bought a Model 3 and it came with one still.

[Koflach]

^^ not necessarily, Tesla uses some special plug so none of the public chargers I've been to plugs into Tesla's. Super store, IKEA etc

As others said, use an adapter. The biggest benefit to Tesla is the Charging network and the big batteries. You won't need to charge at Super Store and Ikea any more as the battery simply holds more capacity. My current Tesla goes over 500km on a full charge. Over 90% of my charging is done at home while i'm sleeping.

[lilaznviper]

anyone recently got a telsa? i wonder how the fit and finish and quality control is now.

[tegra7]

anyone recently got a telsa? i wonder how the fit and finish and quality control is now.

Other than the charge port door sticking out a bit I have no complaints.

[v_tec]

I'm not sure if SeaSucker racks are vehicle specific seeing as they are "universal" but for price and local availability, ModulaRacks in Surrey has it for $539.

If you collect Canadian Tire Money and have a bunch saved up, Canadian Tire can probably price match it (listed for $599) while using your Canadian Tire money towards it. It's too niche of a product to be widely available. For something like this, I recommend buying locally in person than online.

Thanks, went to check them out.

One concern I have with these are they are easy to steal. If you're using it for bike rack, you can mount them on and off easily. But different story if you wish to get it for ski racks as the temperature would be cold, wet, and maybe even icy.

Any sort of aftermarket hacks to make these 'lockable'?

[JDMDreams]

^ isn't there Tesla specific racks, I've seen cars with them. That's mounted to the side of the roof and isn't suction.

[tegra7]

For those that have EV chargers installed at home is it worth the rebate that is offered? BC hydro website says "Single-family homes can get a rebate of up to 50% of the purchase and installation costs of an eligible Level 2 EV charger, to a maximum of $350."

Wondering if I should just install a NEMA 14-50 and use my portable charger and call it a day.

[JDMDreams]

It depends how much you drive? Cuz I was thinking of the same thing, leave one charger at home and one in the car for emergencies or if I'm out somewhere and need to charge

[freakshow]

For those that have EV chargers installed at home is it worth the rebate that is offered? BC hydro website says "Single-family homes can get a rebate of up to 50% of the purchase and installation costs of an eligible Level 2 EV charger, to a maximum of $350."

Wondering if I should just install a NEMA 14-50 and use my portable charger and call it a day.

It was much easier, faster, and ultimately cheaper for me to go the NEMA 14-50 route. At 32A it charges fast enough for me (easily finished over night), and in a pinch, you *could* just unplug your portable charger and take it with you.

[v_tec]

^ isn't there Tesla specific racks, I've seen cars with them. That's mounted to the side of the roof and isn't suction.

Small %, but prone to glass crack with those.
Suction would be easier to remove for the other 10 months in the year.

[TypeRNammer]

I sold it to Canada Drives. They offered me $49k and Tesla offered me around $31k

Wish I knew about this option earlier.

I was interested in the Model Y standard range and was going to trade in the model 3 to Tesla

Only to be offered $31,000 for trade in also.

[M Speed]

For those that have EV chargers installed at home is it worth the rebate that is offered? BC hydro website says "Single-family homes can get a rebate of up to 50% of the purchase and installation costs of an eligible Level 2 EV charger, to a maximum of $350."

Wondering if I should just install a NEMA 14-50 and use my portable charger and call it a day.

All depends how much you drive. Some can live with just 110V overnight charging. Some would say 32A is too slow. Some have chargers at work.

On the flip side, a charging station is an investment even if you sell your house. Just wish Zap was still around for a free charger...it was a great option while it lasted.

[SumAznGuy]

All depends how much you drive. Some can live with just 110V overnight charging. Some would say 32A is too slow. Some have chargers at work.

On the flip side, a charging station is an investment even if you sell your house. Just wish Zap was still around for a free charger...it was a great option while it lasted.

I kinda wish the other EV charging thread was merged with this as it is related but whatever.

I only use 110V to charge my Leaf every night. A good 7-8 hrs of charging every night is more then enough for my daily commute and evening travels to run errands.

Curious how many ppl think 32A is too slow.

Honestly with how many chargers are available, I don't even bring my charger with me when I go out. And this is on my 40 kwh Leaf.

[JDMDreams]

On a base model 3 at these temperature I think max charge rate is about 8 km an hour. I think it dropped down to 5 km an hour when we had that cold snap last winter. This is on 120v house hold outlet. So let's say an over night charge of 10 hours will get you 80 km

[Koflach]

Has anyone ever heard of a Skywell Imperium SUV before? I saw one in Langley this morning on 200th going northbound at 72nd. It had California plates which i'm guessing meant they were manufacturer plates but why would this thing be up here when I can't find anything about it being for sale in Canada?

[M Speed]

I kinda wish the other EV charging thread was merged with this as it is related but whatever.

I only use 110V to charge my Leaf every night. A good 7-8 hrs of charging every night is more then enough for my daily commute and evening travels to run errands.

Curious how many ppl think 32A is too slow.

Honestly with how many chargers are available, I don't even bring my charger with me when I go out. And this is on my 40 kwh Leaf.

for smaller batteries, 110V isn't too bad. It can fully charge in 24hrs. Same goes for 32A charging. But once you hit the bigger batteries, that will be consider slow. Also bigger batteries like Tesla, people might not charge on a daily basis so they wanted to fill the car within 1 charge and leave it for a few days.

I don't carry my charger with me. There are enough DCFC in a pinch or Level 2 are readily available within the city.

[Manic!]

Has anyone ever heard of a Skywell Imperium SUV before? I saw one in Langley this morning on 200th going northbound at 72nd. It had California plates which i'm guessing meant they were manufacturer plates but why would this thing be up here when I can't find anything about it being for sale in Canada?

Looks it's a company that imports EV's from China. Looks like they are only taking pre orders right now. They could be in Canada to shoot an ad. Rivian was in Tofino to shoot a commercial.


https://www.imperiummotorcompany.com/?playlist=aa6963f&video=2f2c4f8

[GLOW]

wouldn't service/repair be very difficult in canada?

[tegra7]

Anyone here selling 2021 Model 3 18" aero wheels? Looking for a pair, maybe full set for the right price

[Araaadi]

Anyone here selling 2021 Model 3 18" aero wheels? Looking for a pair, maybe full set for the right price

If you find a set without those covers, you can have my covers for free. Sold the car last month and left covers in storage.

[Koflach]

Anyone here selling 2021 Model 3 18" aero wheels? Looking for a pair, maybe full set for the right price

I have a full set of 18" wheels and tires from my 2021 M3 AWD. The tires have maybe 300 km on them. Shoot me an offer.

[freakshow]

Curious how many ppl think 32A is too slow. I don't really see how 32A can be considered too low for home charging.

I usually charge the car when it hits the ~35% range, and there's plenty of time to get back to 'full' overnight (~90%). So on a 70kwh battery, thats 5.5h at 32A and on a 100kwh battery, its under 8h.

[asian_XL]

lol, I see no love to the Model 3 stock rims. FB is flooded with brand new 18 and 19.
In Hong Kong, a set of new 18 with tires are only $350, 19 with tires are $650, 20 with tires are like $2000.

When I picked up my car at tesla, first place to go was to swap those silly looking 18s with 20s

[JDMDreams]

^ do you lose a lot of range? And any idea how the fitment is? I have a set of staggered 19s 9.5" and 10.5" sitting around and wondering if it will fit. They don't have tpms though, so I don't know if it will freak out the car

[SumAznGuy]

^ do you lose a lot of range? And any idea how the fitment is? I have a set of staggered 19s 9.5" and 10.5" sitting around and wondering if it will fit. They don't have tpms though, so I don't know if it will freak out the car

3 things to keep in mind.
- Surface area of the front tires. The wider tires will have a marginal negative effect on efficiency.
- Open wheel design means more turbulence so decreased efficiency
- Wider tires mean more friction so decreased efficiency.

Expect about a 5% loss.

I am running a 25mm spacer and RE71R tires on my Leaf and that about what I saw.
My RE71R's are slightly shorter than the stock tires so that also affected my car's efficiency.


for smaller batteries, 110V isn't too bad. It can fully charge in 24hrs. Same goes for 32A charging. But once you hit the bigger batteries, that will be consider slow. Also bigger batteries like Tesla, people might not charge on a daily basis so they wanted to fill the car within 1 charge and leave it for a few days.

I don't carry my charger with me. There are enough DCFC in a pinch or Level 2 are readily available within the city.

I guess it really all depends on the owners and every case is different.
I mostly commute to and from work (35 kms) and running around town on the weekends.
I am averaging close to 30K km's per year before the pandemic.
Never really had any issues plugging in the car at 110V overnight.

AGain, if I had a Tesla with the 100 KWH battery, I'd still be plugging it in every other or third night.

Yesterday, I left the house with 85% battery. Went to work then to Richmond after work and made it home without having to charge my Leaf.
8 hrs of charge over night and I will have more then enough charge to go to work and even run into Vancouver if I need to.

[JDMDreams]

^ what about your electric bill? I'm trying to calculate how much it will cost to charge every night but obviously that's impossible cuz I can't isolate the usage on just the car

[radeonboy]

Thinking of making the jump to a RAV4 Prime. Does anyone have an idea what the wait is like for those right now?

[SumAznGuy]

^ what about your electric bill? I'm trying to calculate how much it will cost to charge every night but obviously that's impossible cuz I can't isolate the usage on just the car

It's roughly $0.14 cents a KWH. Say I average 12 KWH of power, that's $1.68 of power every work night.
But then all the other house hold energy I would consume would be at the higher rate as well.

Either way, it's still going to be cheaper than gasoline.

[BIC_BAWS]

Thinking of making the jump to a RAV4 Prime. Does anyone have an idea what the wait is like for those right now?As of a week ago, 2 years.

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[radeonboy]

As of a week ago, 2 years.

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Holy smokes....I figured it was more like 6-12 months, but 2 years is a bit much :okay:

[MG1]

^ what about your electric bill? I'm trying to calculate how much it will cost to charge every night but obviously that's impossible cuz I can't isolate the usage on just the car

You can, sort of. Go to the Hydro website to see your consumption data. Go into hourly view. Figure out when you started charging and see the spike(s) in usage. Your consumption prior and after charging should give you a rough estimate of how much extra electricity you used over that time. Did that even make any sense? It's 4:00 am. Need sleep...........

The hourly view has how much it cost each hour. To go into hourly view, just click on the day you want to view on the graph. As you mouse over each hour, the amount of and cost of that hour is displayed. I go into previous year comparison mode just to see how much I saved last year by charging at fast charging stations when they were free. I cry each time I go into compare usage with similar homes in the neighbourhood, mode. Frick, you'd figure I had a grow op or something.

[whitev70r]

Is this true?

https://twitter.com/LolaHumphrey19/status/1421520754206707717

[bcuzracecarz]

wouldn't doubt it, long weekends are not a time I would want to be driving an EV on a trip

[twitchyzero]

model 3 meet

[MarkyMark]

When you order a Tesla is white the only free colour choice or something? I don't think I've ever seen a specific brand sell so exclusively in one colour.

[TypeRNammer]

When you order a Tesla is white the only free colour choice or something? I don't think I've ever seen a specific brand sell so exclusively in one colour.

Currently yes white is the free color option.

When it was first released, black was the free standard option.

[bcuzracecarz]

Seriously debating getting the wife the Mach E. Reviews have all for the most part been positive, going to drive one this week to see how it is. Will update once I drive it


Checking back in, now that I've had a good go in both the Model Y (about an hour test drive), and the Mach E (had an overnight test drive so about 20 hours with the car). Model Y was the standard Duel Motor, the Mach E was a comparable AWD long range, so as close as you'll get for both power and range for both.

Price - Model Y - $69k (Duel motor before options) Mach E - $72k (AWD Extended Range model)

First Impressions:

Model Y - Love the look of the model y, the "Fish face" doesn't bother me at all and love the wide hips of the rear. Interior is simple as most of you know, but clean and plenty of storage. The main screen, being the only display in the car, is easy to use and has quick response time. Storage is ample for a midsize SUV and the rear storage below the floor is awesome.

Mach E - Another great looking SUV, the large front end gives it a much more aggressive look compared to the model y, lack of door handles only adds to its sleekness. Display in front of the wheel showing speed and other important information is great, however the screen response time was pretty slow and laggy at times which was annoying. Tons of interior storage and feels much bigger than it looks from the outside.


Driving impressions -

Both have more than enough power for daily driving, absolutely no issue with either of them. Overtaking at hwy speeds is very easy and smooth delivery.

The initial take off from a stop at lights is much smoother with the tesla as the ford has a slight jerk when the brake is released, same goes for coming to a stop with one pedal driving turned on. Tesla has perfected the one pedal where as ford needs a little refining I thought. Driving around I did not have an issue with Teslas screen being the only way to show speed or information, my wife on the other hand preferred the Ford when it came to having a screen right in front of your face (This was her first time driving an EV so the interior was more comparable to normal car so take that into account). Cornering they both felt great for a midsize SUV and were smooth without a shit ton of body roll, Ford felt a little more planted in that respect however, but only slightly. Ride quality is good in both, not amazing. Comfortable but definitely stiff over larger bumps compared to our current 2017 Hyundai Tucson.

Storage I felt the Y was much more useable, especially in the trunk space, the rear hatch design of the Mach E is quite sloped so even with the floor moved to its lower setting, still looked a little cramped (I threw my 60lb Lab in the back of each quickly to see if she approved, Model Y was the winner in her books).

Thoughts after a day or 2 -

Loved both, would be more than happy with the RWD Mach E that starts at just over $50k, however the range (330kms or so) and only being RWD (since my wife and 2 kids will be in it during winter) might be an issue. Once you spec the Mach E out to be the same as a Model Y, it's about the same price and that kinda takes away the allure of the Mach E for me. The little things that annoyed me in the Mach E were the screen being super slow and the doors not always opening when pushing the button.

Model Y with their charging network (although its opening up to everyone soon) as well as their experience in the space already (brushing out the little kinks), is my winner.

Wife impressions -

Since these are everyday family vehicles figure I'd throw in what my wife thinks since she would be the one driving it most.

Model Y was her clear winner, loved the interior simplicity once she got used to it, said she could get used to only looking at the screen for information. She really liked the interior of the Mach E as there was tons of space even with the kids seats behind her but the model Y she felt more comfortable in. Wasn't a huge fan of how long the hood is on the Mach E and the rear window is a little small for her liking (sloping angle didn't help). Driving them both, Model Y she loved, Mach E there were too many little things she didn't like.


Bit of a long one but figured I might as well share my experience with them since they're both pretty big players in the EV SUV game right now. Cheers :nyan:

[tegra7]

When you order a Tesla is white the only free colour choice or something? I don't think I've ever seen a specific brand sell so exclusively in one colour.
Yes..black,blue,grey is an extra $1300 and red is an extra $2300.

[whitev70r]

Get the white ... and use the amount that you would have towards a unique wrap for $3-4000?

[Koflach]

Is this true?

https://twitter.com/LolaHumphrey19/status/1421520754206707717

This picture is why I suggest to people that when buying an EV to buy as much range as you can afford. I have a long range and can go from Langley to Kamploops without stopping. I usually do stop in Merritt though for food and a quick 15 minute charge at the SC there but with so many short range Tesla's on the road you are going to see more lineups as they just can't go as far between stops.

[GLOW]

Is this true?

https://twitter.com/LolaHumphrey19/status/1421520754206707717

my understanding is that there was a meet there to celebrate additional chargers in hope a couple of weeks ago.

clicked on their twitter page, you see which way this person leans on EV's, among other things 4Head

[lilaznviper]

has anyone looked into the bmw i4? seems to be priced around the model 3 pricing.

[SumAznGuy]

my understanding is that there was a meet there to celebrate additional chargers in hope a couple of weeks ago.

clicked on their twitter page, you see which way this person leans on EV's, among other things 4Head

Agreed. That person's twitter is full of weird crap.
That being said, yes there was a meet back in July for the grand opening of the Tesla chargers in Hope.

There are 10 chargers in Hope and another 12 near Silver Creek.

so I doubt that pic is real in the sense it took that long to get a charge.

[tegra7]

has anyone looked into the bmw i4? seems to be priced around the model 3 pricing.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/theres-a-class-action-lawsuit-for-a-dangerous-bmw-i3-range-extender-problem/

[Manic!]

Agreed. That person's twitter is full of weird crap.
That being said, yes there was a meet back in July for the grand opening of the Tesla chargers in Hope.

There are 10 chargers in Hope and another 12 near Silver Creek.

so I doubt that pic is real in the sense it took that long to get a charge.

It's the same thing horse owners said when gas cars first showed up. I can get water and hay anywhere for my horse. Where am I going to find gas.

[JDMDreams]

Speaking of ev, has anyone tried the Mirai? I see them once in a blue moon, and I recall Toyota was including $15000 in hydrogen credits with the car. The new one looks amazing and on the Toyota release it says it has up to 850 km range? I don't see the new one on the Toyota site yet though:accepted:

https://youtu.be/v99AthjW78U

[M Speed]

Speaking of ev, has anyone tried the Mirai? I see them once in a blue moon, and I recall Toyota was including $15000 in hydrogen credits with the car. The new one looks amazing and on the Toyota release it says it has up to 850 km range? I don't see the new one on the Toyota site yet though:accepted:


With very limited fueling stations, good luck on roam around freely without range anxiety.

Like there are only 3 stations in the lower mainland (North Van, Burnaby and South Vancouver) and one in Victoria. Plus the cost of refuel is high.

[headhunt3r]

With very limited fueling stations, good luck on roam around freely without range anxiety.

Like there are only 3 stations in the lower mainland (North Van, Burnaby and South Vancouver) and one in Victoria. Plus the cost of refuel is high.

Looks like the BC Mazda 3 domain got bought by a shitty porn site.
:pokerface:

[bcrdukes]

I thought nothing of it until you mentioned it. It's definitely not work safe.

[cafe22]

anyone placed a deposit on the new ioniq 5? Have the dealerships provided pricing yet?

[M Speed]

Thanks headhunt3r and bcrdukes...signature been updated.

[donjalapeno]

Picked this up last Thursday after 2 months of waiting for it to come over from Korea. Pleasantly surprised with the Hybrid fuel economy. From Coquitlam to Downtown to Richmond and back to Coquitlam averaging 4L per 100. I’ll have to do longer city drives to compare.

https://i.postimg.cc/WzJ2vrgs/01-A0646-E-5-EFE-4-C2-F-AF69-94945203-B3-CA.jpg

[whitev70r]

^ saw a few of them on the road and they look decent especially the grey color one! Pretty reasonable price, right? Nice looking lines, no range/distance anxiety. From the back, it looks like a sportback but I think it's a regular trunk.

Only thing that might have been even better is if it was a Plug in hybrid ... then you'd get that HOV OK sticker.

[donjalapeno]

^ saw a few of them on the road and they look decent especially the grey color one! Pretty reasonable price, right? Nice looking lines, no range/distance anxiety. From the back, it looks like a sportback but I think it's a regular trunk.

Only thing that might have been even better is if it was a Plug in hybrid ... then you'd get that HOV OK sticker.

Yeah the rear has sportback styling and tons of trunk + rear seat space. The HOV sticker would be nice for sure but I agree I don’t like the range anxiety in a full EV. I understand with an EV you need to plan your trip very well before you go but I like the freedom of a hybrid for now until charging gets faster, range gets longer and more charging stations in the outskirts.

[SumAznGuy]

Yeah the rear has sportback styling and tons of trunk + rear seat space. The HOV sticker would be nice for sure but I agree I don’t like the range anxiety in a full EV. I understand with an EV you need to plan your trip very well before you go but I like the freedom of a hybrid for now until charging gets faster, range gets longer and more charging stations in the outskirts.

This is where I think car manufacturers need to look at. Options for bigger batteries like what Tesla has done.
Everyone conforms to one charging standard, and heavily invest into the charging structure.
Tesla is the leader in charging stations. They plan on opening them up to non-Teslas.
It won't happen over night but I think most governments agree.

[whitev70r]

What are the long term reviews and issues on EV's? I know everyone loves their new shiny Tesla but anyone here owned one past say 150K kms? Does the battery capacity decrease significantly? Battery replacement in most NA EV's are extremely expensive. Are we replacing one problem of ICE engine with an environmental disaster of having to junk the whole car after 10-15 years?

The big looming problem with old EVs: It’s really, really hard to change the battery
Even on a vehicle with only 150,000 km, battery replacement can be more expensive than the car's value
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/the-big-looming-problem-with-old-evs-its-really-really-hard-to-change-the-battery

[SumAznGuy]

What are the long term reviews and issues on EV's? I know everyone loves their new shiny Tesla but anyone here owned one past say 150K kms? Does the battery capacity decrease significantly? Battery replacement in most NA EV's are extremely expensive. Are we replacing one problem of ICE engine with an environmental disaster of having to junk the whole car after 10-15 years?

The big looming problem with old EVs: It’s really, really hard to change the battery
Even on a vehicle with only 150,000 km, battery replacement can be more expensive than the car's value
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/the-big-looming-problem-with-old-evs-its-really-really-hard-to-change-the-battery

I'm at 78K km's on my 18 Leaf.
On the car's info screen, I am still at 12 out of 12 bars on the battery.
I hate to say it, there is a lot of truth but at the same time it's no different than an ICE car. All EV's do is defer some of the cost to down the road.

There's no real used battery options right now. So you have to buy new and it is based around what the market price is on batteries.

For a used ICE car, there are plenty of used engine options. Imagine if you had to go back to the dealer and buy a crate engine when the motor of your Civic dies.

And all this talk doesn't take into account of all the earlier EV's with older battery technology.

[JDMDreams]

I've heard of ppl doing lithium conversions on old hybrid Honda's and leafs. Mainly on UK and US though. I'm sure there's gonna be enough wrecked cars by then too pull used parts out of and there will be aftermarket support.

[whitev70r]

If we use Tesla Model S as some sort of arbitrary date when EV's became more mainstream ... earliest ones were in 2012, so we are entering the 10 year mark. Wondering how they are holding out in terms of battery capacity.

Something to be said about NIO who specializes in battery swap tech.

[twitchyzero]

lettuce be real if a conventional econobox pops its powertrain after 13 years of service, it doesn’t matter how cheap a replacement motor is

a sign from above to move on

[Manic!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJKLJltnPQA

[whitev70r]

Yikes ...

https://twitter.com/NoContextBrits/status/1426653121640636418

[Eff-1]

9.4% of BC's new car sales in 2020 were electric models

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/bc-electric-battery-vehicle-statistics

Tesla: 18,830 in 2020 (12,586 in 2019; 5,034 in 2018)

Nissan: 7,184 in 2020 (6,367 in 2019; 4,349 in 2018)

Chevrolet: 4,466 in 2020 (3,833 in 2019; 2,452 in 2018)

KIA: 1,763 in 2020 (1,320 in 2019; 733 in 2018)

BMW: 968 in 2020 (963 in 2019; 785 in 2018)

Ford: 874 in 2020 (800 in 2019; 640 in 2018)

Hyundai: 2,810 in 2020 (1,531 in 2019; 272 in 2018)

Volkswagen: 1,117 in 2020 (773 in 2019; 331 in 2018)

Smart: 400 in 2020 (415 in 2019; 318 in 2018)

Fiat: 271 in 2020 (232 in 2019; 160 in 2018)

[JDMDreams]

I'm surprised no one mentioned this, the insurance even on the new rates on Tesla is crazy expensive. Over $2200+ pleasure senior use. My insurance guy says that's easily more expensive than more expensive Benz BMWFeelsBadMan

[M Speed]

I'm surprised no one mentioned this, the insurance even on the new rates on Tesla is crazy expensive. Over $2200+ pleasure senior use. My insurance guy says that's easily more expensive than more expensive Benz BMWFeelsBadMan

Which Tesla? Some of the higher end spectrum Tesla are 6 figures vehicles.

But I'm not surprised as the repair cost for Tesla is high and wait for parts is. So factor in the chance of written off...Tesla and other EV are subject to higher insurance cost.

[JDMDreams]

Just a model 3:rukidding:

[TypeRNammer]

Just a model 3:rukidding:

Sounds about right, I'm paying $190 a month for my model 3 with the following

2 million liability
1000 collision
300 comprehensive

To and from work more than 15km

[!Aznboi128]

jeebus $190 w/ 1000 collision? Why is it that much

[JDMDreams]

Aluminium and I guess shortage of parts. My insurance guy said it's because you can't really repair panels, just replace with new

I thought it would be cheap cuz it has the latest safety tech and auto brake but costs more than my 2000s tin cans

[M Speed]

Sounds about right, I'm paying $190 a month for my model 3 with the following

2 million liability
1000 collision
300 comprehensive

To and from work more than 15km

Did you get some rebate from ICBC?

[!Aznboi128]

This is actually pretty interesting, a lot of buyers take the savings at the pump as a consideration but no one really thinks about cost of insurance as well. I mean the higher cost doesn't equate to the amount of gas but it brings it closer.

[bcrdukes]

You're right about that. More often than not, people do not consider the total cost of ownership (TCO) while doing their shopping. It's possible that people aren't particularly interested in seeing the full picture, but more so jumping ahead of the market to adopt EV/Hybrids and keeping up with the Jones'.

[SumAznGuy]

You're right about that. More often than not, people do not consider the total cost of ownership (TCO) while doing their shopping. It's possible that people aren't particularly interested in seeing the full picture, but more so jumping ahead of the market to adopt EV/Hybrids and keeping up with the Jones'.

The insurance on my Leaf went down by quite a bit with the new ICBC rates.
I just renewed and it was under $1700 for the year with all coverage.

[tegra7]

Sounds about right, I'm paying $190 a month for my model 3 with the following

2 million liability
1000 collision
300 comprehensive

To and from work more than 15km

Is this full icbc and do you have replacement cost coverage?

[Traum]

One excuse about this is how the cost of insurance for different vehicles is far less accessible than other pricing-related information. Imagine trying to cross-shop between 3 different vehicles. How many of us will go to an ICBC agent and ask him to ring up the cost of insurance for each car?

On the other hand, the MSRP for a car is something we can readily check on our own through the Internet.

You're right about that. More often than not, people do not consider the total cost of ownership (TCO) while doing their shopping. It's possible that people aren't particularly interested in seeing the full picture, but more so jumping ahead of the market to adopt EV/Hybrids and keeping up with the Jones'.

[JDMDreams]

And everyone else will have different rates depending on their history and policy.

Still feels good to not have to spend $100 a week on gas driving a shit box :badpokerface:

I mean if I get to daily a lambo then sure the gas is worth it, but sure feels bad if you barely have 150hp and still gotta pay that:okay:

[bcrdukes]

One excuse about this is how the cost of insurance for different vehicles is far less accessible than other pricing-related information. Imagine trying to cross-shop between 3 different vehicles. How many of us will go to an ICBC agent and ask him to ring up the cost of insurance for each car?

On the other hand, the MSRP for a car is something we can readily check on our own through the Internet.

I can't speak for others so I may be in the minority; I always cross check on insurance rates on a few cars I have in mind to help me make a decision. There have been a few situations where cost of insurance was significant enough for me to move on and pass. In most cases, it's splitting hairs. Insurance is just one piece of the puzzle. There's gas, repairs, parts, service options, consumables, and the list goes on.

It pays to build a strong relationship with a good insurance agent. I still have one in Vancouver for ICBC stuff and I have a few that I work with here in Ontario where the insurance game is on an entirely different league of their own. Needless to say, I am in no rush to get a hybrid or EV anytime soon.

Edit: I always forget everyone here is a baller.

[TypeRNammer]

jeebus $190 w/ 1000 collision? Why is it that much

Probably cause newer car and also living in the Collingwood area.

Did you get some rebate from ICBC?

Previous policy was $250, after the enhanced care update, the rebate went back into the policy, making the monthly payment about $170, after renewal then it became $190. Only thing that's discounted is the autonomous emergency braking.

Driver factor 0.56



Is this full icbc and do you have replacement cost coverage?

It is full ICBC, no replacement coverage

[EvoFire]

One excuse about this is how the cost of insurance for different vehicles is far less accessible than other pricing-related information. Imagine trying to cross-shop between 3 different vehicles. How many of us will go to an ICBC agent and ask him to ring up the cost of insurance for each car?

On the other hand, the MSRP for a car is something we can readily check on our own through the Internet.

I always checked insurance before, it's a big deal that doesn't go away unless you don't drive it at all.

[Koflach]

I'm surprised no one mentioned this, the insurance even on the new rates on Tesla is crazy expensive. Over $2200+ pleasure senior use. My insurance guy says that's easily more expensive than more expensive Benz BMWFeelsBadMan

You should start shopping it around, try Stratford for you optional insurance. I switched to them and saved a lot over ICBC. I think i'm paying somewhere around $150-$160 for ICBC/Stratford for full business use and I have a 2021 Model 3 AWD.

That being said, 3 years ago on my hyundai sonata I was paying about $195/month for full business use.

[donk.]

You're right about that. More often than not, people do not consider the total cost of ownership (TCO) while doing their shopping. It's possible that people aren't particularly interested in seeing the full picture, but more so jumping ahead of the market to adopt EV/Hybrids and keeping up with the Jones'.

This is why i like sportscars
You break even, or you make money :toot:

On a side note

https://youtu.be/fLflYkgnNBY

[StylinRed]

I saw a tiktok about a new cadillac EV suv, dunno the model, but it looks great, and starts under 60k usd

[!Aznboi128]

I saw a tiktok about a new cadillac EV suv, dunno the model, but it looks great, and starts under 60k usd
Most likely the Lyriq. It starts at 60k but most of the good stuff that it offers will be on higher models.

[dachinesedude]

just got on the wait list for a Rav4 Prime, est. delivery Q4 2022, 2023 model lol yeesh

[Alpine]

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1133425_subaru-confirms-mid-2022-arrival-for-solterra-ev-gives-glimpse-inside

Subaru's sister version of the Toyota bz-4x concept car. No specs yet...

[Bender Unit]

just got on the wait list for a Rav4 Prime, est. delivery Q4 2022, 2023 model lol yeesh

may as well put deposit on Toyota BZ-4X :lol
Then you will be 1st in line.



Didn't get any from MB-EQ
all their EQA, EQB, EQC, EQS not coming to NA ?
selling like Hot Cake in Asia

[JDMDreams]

That just looks like an uglier version of the Nx. Subaru concepts have always been disappointing. They never make anything close to the concepts. They just end up making an Evo X copy we didn't even get the fucks concept:troll::troll::troll:

[radeonboy]

may as well put deposit on Toyota BZ-4X :lol
Then you will be 1st in line.



Didn't get any from MB-EQ
all their EQA, EQB, EQC, EQS not coming to NA ?
selling like Hot Cake in Asia

The EQS is coming AFAIK, but ditto on the rest.

[Matsuda]

The Hyundai Ioniq 5 is growing on me. I like the design of it

https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/images/news-article/2021/02/fa6aac51e8f8f99b67802fbec8432e04/ioniq5kvs_4.jpg

https://www.hyundaicanada.com/en/coming-soon/2022-ioniq-5

https://youtu.be/FNdeLDeUBMk

[Koflach]

The Hyundai Ioniq 5 is growing on me. I like the design of it

https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/images/news-article/2021/02/fa6aac51e8f8f99b67802fbec8432e04/ioniq5kvs_4.jpg

https://www.hyundaicanada.com/en/coming-soon/2022-ioniq-5

https://youtu.be/FNdeLDeUBMk

Yeah, it's a really nice looking car. Unfortunately, no company will be able to really compete with Canada on equal footing until one of them signs on to use the Tesla charging standard. The convenience and speed of using the Supercharger network is far superior to that of any other third party charger i've used to date.

[M Speed]

for city commute, I don't see the need to use SC. On the other hand for road trip, SC network and speed is miles ahead of L2/DFQC combined.

[TypeRNammer]

The Hyundai Ioniq 5 is growing on me. I like the design of it

https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/images/news-article/2021/02/fa6aac51e8f8f99b67802fbec8432e04/ioniq5kvs_4.jpg

https://www.hyundaicanada.com/en/coming-soon/2022-ioniq-5

https://youtu.be/FNdeLDeUBMk

To make things interesting, here are spy shots of the hotter N Version of this car


https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1133454_2023-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-spy-shots-rise-of-the-electric-hot-hatch


https://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/hyundai-ioniq-5_100804784_l.jpg

[twitchyzero]

https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Porsche-Mission-R-10_1.jpg

next-gen cayman in race form proto

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a37484399/porsche-mission-r-electric-future-racing/

[twitchyzero]

https://insideevs.com/news/531990/toyota-bz4x-battery-capacity-durability/

upcoming toyota EVs to retain 90% battery life after 10 years

[ilovebacon]

If I had the money, I really want this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IexOL0TP1Ik

[Eff-1]

I'm on the strata council in our building. Our building is wired for EV charging and so owners can have a L2 outlet installed in their parking space.

One owner wants the council to approve the installation of a Tesla Wall Connector. I don't know much about these. Can someone explain to me the purpose of the Wall Connector, is it even necessary, and what are the risks if we allow it?

Is it a permanent installation to the wall or just to the outlet? My main concern is someone comes along and steal is by ripping it off the wall leaving a ton of expensive damage.

We have lots of Teslas that charge just by plugging into the outlet and nobody has ever asked for this before.

Thanks

[bcedhk]

The Tesla Wall Connector will need to be hardwired instead of plugging into the NEMA 15-40 outlets. The are optimized for teslas so they charge slightly faster than aftermarket NEMA 15-40 units.

You should make sure the owner provides information on who is doing the installation and probably direct where the charger can be mounted. (e.g. confirm mounting location are not near pipes or structural beam). Also, there should be a clause where the owner is responsible for removing the charger and replacing it with a level 2 outlet if the owner decides to sell their home.

[JDMDreams]

I wonder if we have options like this, wouldn't mind a cheap beater EV

https://youtu.be/MrVGTzM81L8

https://youtu.be/TBz9zLFEa70

:lawl::pokerface:

[68style]

My condo building took away like 5 or 6 visitor spots to install electric car charging stations... they charge a fee that's pretty standard............. I have yet to see a single car use them lol... I think electric owners, who still are relatively few and far between, are still making use of all the free options around. Gonne be awhile before those things see any action.

[twitchyzero]

I wonder if we have options like this, wouldn't mind a cheap beater EV


what's the crash ratings on those lol

[JDMDreams]

I thought there's no free options any more since may when BC hydro started charging at the public ones

[G]

Was looking at Tesla Model Y's and my friend just told me to check out the Audi Q4 E-Tron, anyone know more about it? Seems like Audi put it out to fight the Model Y - SUV Class?

[JDMDreams]

Not sure why there not much talk about this but I'd also take a look at the Gv60. The Q4 looks pretty good like a baby e Tron but this looks even better.

https://youtu.be/ixiV66KV7k4

Also not sure that the Q4 pricing will be but I didn't feel like the model y is worth the extra $15k plus on top of a 3. You do know there's no grants on the y so you're paying $8000 more plus I think $4000 more price difference on top of the 3 plus taxes.

[M Speed]

Eff-1: I think the owner want to install a permanent Tesla Wall Charger instead of the plug. The risk is minimal and the owner will be responsible for damage/theft of the unit. It is less of a hassle to plug in instead of using the portable charger that came with the car. If you want a physical idea how it look, there are two at Aberdeen.

JDMDreams: 1st gen Leaf is a very affordable EV with limited range.

68style: What rate is your strata charging per hour?

[supafamous]

Was looking at Tesla Model Y's and my friend just told me to check out the Audi Q4 E-Tron, anyone know more about it? Seems like Audi put it out to fight the Model Y - SUV Class?

https://www.audi.ca/ca/web/en/models/q4/q4-e-tron.html - Starts at $60k.

It's the Audi version of the VW ID.4, only available in AWD in Canada. Exterior size is about halfway between a Q3 and Q5, interior is a bit bigger than a Q5.

It's the first EV that I can both afford and which is interesting enough for me to can consider. I think I'd want a bit more room but otherwise this seems like a great fit for me when I switch to an EV (I'm pretty keen on the ID.Buzz van though).

[!Aznboi128]

I think I saw on Jalopnik the Q4 eTron is priced below the Q5 that should help it sell. The id.4 is made with the principle of people's car so there's some cost cutting but the Audi variant should be better.

As for the GV60, I think it looks too smooth for a Genesis. It has the lights from the rest of the lineup but doesn't look like a Genesis. It's more of a Kia, especially in their neon green press photos.

[lilaznviper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw8V9fl9FwM

[supafamous]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw8V9fl9FwM

BMW is really impressing me with their work lately b/c I didn't think it was possible to take classic BMW design cues like the kidney and the kink and combine them into such ugly cars like the M4, i4, and iX.

Porsche only managed to take their classic design cues and ruin it once (1G Panamera and it wasn't THAT bad). BMW's team really takes the cake here with their new approach of "grotesque gothic".

[twitchyzero]

i'm not complaining

more EV options and sales hopefully means battery costs keep going down with better range

hope the new chargers around keep coming
https://driving.ca/auto-news/local-content/b-c-to-expand-infrastructure-for-electric-vehicles-with-94-new-charging-stations

[EvoFire]

BMW is really impressing me with their work lately b/c I didn't think it was possible to take classic BMW design cues like the kidney and the kink and combine them into such ugly cars like the M4, i4, and iX.

Porsche only managed to take their classic design cues and ruin it once (1G Panamera and it wasn't THAT bad). BMW's team really takes the cake here with their new approach of "grotesque gothic".

Almost spat out my coffee. Great sentence building :lol

[tegra7]

https://youtu.be/2PTOBc883zg

[donjalapeno]

^ Ioniq 5 handled it pretty well.

[68style]

I like the MILF license plate

Tail happy
Questionable handling
Cones clearly representing pedestrians / innocent bystanders

I'm glad the Mustang formula has stayed the same regardless of body style and electrification

[Hehe]

The beginning of a new era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loUsRGW9z-I

[tegra7]

Anyone know who has 6/3 awg teck wire in stock for nema 14-50 outlet? Last 2 stores I went to told me theres a backorder due to copper shortage.

[Manic!]

Anyone know who has 6/3 awg teck wire in stock for nema 14-50 outlet? Last 2 stores I went to told me theres a backorder due to copper shortage.

Try here: https://www.gescan.com/products/28-wire-cords-cables/07-metal-clad-armored-cables/11-teck90-cables/p-Q0FCNlRFQ0szQzFLVg==-northern-cables-teck-63c-1kv-1000v-6-awg-3c-northern-cables-teck90-armoured-cable-black

[Manic!]

https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/25/22744504/hertz-tesla-order-100000-vehicles-electrify-fleet

Hertz just placed an order for a 100K Tesla's. If Elons robo taxi service dream comes true guess who is going to rake in the money. They already have all the infrastructure.

[trollface]

Prob our govt officials, sad but true.

[GLOW]

does that mean that we'll get to buy used EV's for cheap when car rentals try to get rid of old fleet vehicles? :badpokerface:

[jaaagman]

Not sure if this has been brought up, but is anyone noticing a large number of used one year old Model 3's that are at MSRP? I know used cars have a COVID tax, but I am seeing a ton of used Teslas in my neck of the woods. Owners must be buying them for the $8k rebate and selling/trading them in after a year.

On a side note, does anyone know of a good Toyota dealership for a Prius Prime allocation? The wait times are pretty nuts.

[JDMDreams]

Well didn't Tesla Jack up the price by $2000? ??? Profit, I'm not sure if they qualify for the $8000 discount any more? I recall the msrp was just under the threshold

[TypeRNammer]

Not sure if this has been brought up, but is anyone noticing a large number of used one year old Model 3's that are at MSRP? I know used cars have a COVID tax, but I am seeing a ton of used Teslas in my neck of the woods. Owners must be buying them for the $8k rebate and selling/trading them in after a year.

On a side note, does anyone know of a good Toyota dealership for a Prius Prime allocation? The wait times are pretty nuts.

What's the current wait time for a Prius Prime?

[TypeRNammer]

Well didn't Tesla Jack up the price by $2000? ??? Profit, I'm not sure if they qualify for the $8000 discount any more? I recall the msrp was just under the threshold

Tesla still has the limited range Model 3 which allows it to utilize the federal and provincial rebate.

[tegra7]

Limited range? Are you talking about the standard range plus?

[ilovebacon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B8iDxIiPpY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvYlHavPK3Q
That would be pretty sick driving on the highway and taking off to the mountains

[JDMDreams]

Man were really missing out in Na, EVs are amazing in China

FeelsBadMan

https://youtu.be/Y_ev8nGE2TQ

[TypeRNammer]

Limited range? Are you talking about the standard range plus?

No sir

It's one drastic step below the standard range plus, only 151km range

It's Tesla's way to qualify for the rebates for the standard range plus model

[M Speed]

No sir

It's one drastic step below the standard range plus, only 151km range

It's Tesla's way to qualify for the rebates for the standard range plus model

Yay...essentially it's a SR+ with software to limit the range to 151km. Starting at $46389.

[JDMDreams]

Yooooooo they finally revealed this, 7 seater too, bigger battery, larger motors front and back. If pricing is similar to what it is now with 0% financing and rebates I'm interested. :ahwow:

https://youtu.be/MVunN8AUE54

[Traum]

2023 Toyota bZ4X

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2023-toyota-bz4x-ev-first-look-review/

https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/2021/10/2023-Toyota-bZ4X-01.jpg

https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/2021/10/2023-Toyota-bZ4X-06.jpg

Don't understand why people are literally trying to reinvent the (steering) wheel. Regular street driving is not Formula 1 -- it's OK to turn the steering wheel more than 180°.

On the other hand, the steer-by-wire system looks very interesting. I know a lot of planes -- mostly Airbus, but also the newer Boeing -- runs everything by wire too. But planes have a ton of redundancy. So what kind of redundancy would this bZ4X have?

[JDMDreams]

Well brake by wire was a mess when it came out and people don't like the pedal feel......

On the other hand:ahwow:

https://cdn.iphoneincanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/231-992x521.jpg

https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/tesla/tesla-hikes-model-3-price-in-canada-again-second-increase-in-14-days/

[tegra7]

^Thats including destination fee of $1390(was not included before). Also you have the 19” sport wheels selected($2000 option). The standard range plus was designed/priced to be eligible for the incentive.. it still is and most likely always will be so MSRP for Tesla Model 3 SR+ is $54990 cad before incentive. Even if you add on sport wheels,fsd,ect it will still be eligible for the incentive.

[jaaagman]

What's the current wait time for a Prius Prime?

The estimated wait time was 2-6 months around 2 months ago, so its anyone's guess. Not sure if its true but the Rav4 Prime wait list is supposedly 3 years.

[dark0821]

^ Goddamn, that bad eh?

Its funny, because when I got my prime in April. Openroad Toyota Richmond had all 3 trims in stock, every color except for WHITE (lol asian thing?).

Destination Toyota had both the base trim and highest trim in stock in every color except for white again? They only had Dark gray, silver and that teal/blue color for the middle trim though.

But I was told that there werent any more shipments coming in (My wife really wanted a white one). So we settled for a dark gray one.

I guess I was super lucky then?

Almost losing just about >$100 on the Hyundai Ioniq was what prompted the vehicle change. The trade in $$ offered was literally an almost too good to be true moment....

[twitchyzero]

2023 Toyota bZ4X



doesn't seem like it was built as EV ground-up if it's FWD-based

curious to see Subaru's implementation of symmetrical AWD/X-mode

[Koflach]

Deliveries for the Lucid Air have started. It's an interesting looking car but is the current king of the road for range.

https://insideevs.com/news/544452/lucid-air-customer-deliveries-begins/

[BlackV62K2]

Price on the Lucid Air models :heckno:. I suppose the Air Touring would be competing with the Model S?

[Traum]

At the risk of sounding like Captain Obvious, we need more EVs choices at the affordable end of the spectrum, not the super ultra luxury end.

With the 4680 battery, I hope we'll begin to see some cheaper cars from different manufacturers. But if you were a manufacturer and you suddenly see a 15% drop in your manufacturing costs, how much of that savings would you actually pass down to the consumer?

[JDMDreams]

There is this, but I haven't seen any real ones yet.

https://topelectricsuv.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Imperium-ET5-front-three-quarters.jpg

https://driving.ca/reviews/first-drive/first-drive-2021-imperium-et5/wcm/5c4a22c2-03f3-40f2-a7de-2d358c1931c0/amp/

[Traum]

Call me biased -- but I have zero interest in a brand that has yet to prove themselves in after sales service and long term reliability. This isn't a $300 Chinese phone that I wouldn't mind breaking. It isn't a $3k beater, nor is it even a $30k car. If I am spending that much money on a piece of something, I am going to ask for some peace of mind that my purchase wouldn't suddenly get orphaned.
There is this, but I haven't seen any real ones yet.

https://driving.ca/reviews/first-drive/first-drive-2021-imperium-et5/wcm/5c4a22c2-03f3-40f2-a7de-2d358c1931c0/amp/

[Koflach]

At the risk of sounding like Captain Obvious, we need more EVs choices at the affordable end of the spectrum, not the super ultra luxury end.

I completely agree that we need more affordable over luxury but Tesla has proven a successful business model of starting with high end cars and for each vehicle after, come out with more and more affordable vehicles. You have to walk before you can run.

[JDMDreams]

I haven't looked into this but are there battery upgrades for older cars? Slap some lithium batteries into a leaf or imev?

[Alpine]

At the risk of sounding like Captain Obvious, we need more EVs choices at the affordable end of the spectrum, not the super ultra luxury end.

Impossible to accomplish from a new manufacturer since affordable segment = volume seller. Give it another 5 years for EV tech to continue to trickle down to the more affordable models of mass manufacturers, but it's likely 10+ years before everyone turns into their parents and drives a beige corolla EV.

[SumAznGuy]

I haven't looked into this but are there battery upgrades for older cars? Slap some lithium batteries into a leaf or imev?

Yes and no.
A few companies have figured out a way to install the newer Leaf batteries into older Leafs.
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/12/17/canadian-shop-upgrades-2015-leaf-triples-range-to-more-than-200-miles/

Then you have the online debate about replacing bad cells in Tesla battery packs.
Rich Rebuilds was saying they were able to replace bad modules whereas others have said it gives off an error code.

[SumAznGuy]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alistaircharlton/2021/11/01/tesla-superchargers-can-now-be-used-by-other-electric-cars-here-is-how-it-works/?sh=c2088ac784d8

Good that Tesla is looking at opening up their charging stations to other EV brands.

[M Speed]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alistaircharlton/2021/11/01/tesla-superchargers-can-now-be-used-by-other-electric-cars-here-is-how-it-works/?sh=c2088ac784d8

Good that Tesla is looking at opening up their charging stations to other EV brands.

They use CCS over there for tesla so it's an easy switch. However it's a different story here in NA. So it comes down to pricing and cost of adaptors.

[SumAznGuy]

They use CCS over there for tesla so it's an easy switch. However it's a different story here in NA. So it comes down to pricing and cost of adaptors.

I wonder when someone will step up and make it so that there is 1 plug that is industry standard.
It's very annoying that there are 4 different plugs. The good thing is it looks like Chademo is on it's way out so that leaves 3.

[!Aznboi128]

I wonder when someone will step up and make it so that there is 1 plug that is industry standard.
It's very annoying that there are 4 different plugs. The good thing is it looks like Chademo is on it's way out so that leaves 3.
That's before Apple comes out with their car :fullofwin:

[Traum]

I wonder when someone will step up and make it so that there is 1 plug that is industry standard.
It's very annoying that there are 4 different plugs. The good thing is it looks like Chademo is on it's way out so that leaves 3.
Considering how long it took the smart phone industry to mostly converge to a single type of connector, I'd say the chances of that happening is next no nil -- unless at least several major western countries begin to legislate a standardization.

[roastpuff]

Anyone going to the Porsche Taycan driving experience event on Nov 5/6? I don't have the money for one but I still want to try driving one. Will be there Sat Nov 6 at 11AM. :D

[SumAznGuy]

Considering how long it took the smart phone industry to mostly converge to a single type of connector, I'd say the chances of that happening is next no nil -- unless at least several major western countries begin to legislate a standardization.

At least there is only 2 for cell phones. USB-C and the Iphone Lightening cables.

Can you imagine if they came out with 2 or more different nozzles to fill gas in ICE cars.

[tegra7]

Model 3 SR+ now comes with more range, rear heated seats and heated steering wheel. 0-100 has gone up from 5.6 to 6.1 seconds due to extra weight.
Pic borrowed from Reddit

https://i.ibb.co/dDgFhYg/QQQQ.png (https://ibb.co/Rcyf5wy)
determine screen size (https://whatsmyscreenresolution.com/)

[Manic!]

The only way we are going to get one connector is via government regulation. Before the EU stepped in we use to have a ton of different charging cables for phones. We are now down to 2 and soon 1 because the EU is forcing everyone to use USB-C.

[trollface]

I don't think the EU had anything to do with the cable changes in the past 20 years. We honestly just had a bunch of shitty connectors that got phased out due to hitting bandwidth bottlenecks.

Mini/Micro/32/Serial/the weird round mouse and keyboard one. Those were all just straight-up trash but there was nothing better at the time. Personal devices were all a pretty new market so there was no standardization at all. The EU didn't really have anything to do with the changes back then.

AUX, Serial, HDMI, DP, the square printer one, the weird Sata on the Galaxy S, VGA, DVI....

[SumAznGuy]

I don't think the EU had anything to do with the cable changes in the past 20 years. We honestly just had a bunch of shitty connectors that got phased out due to hitting bandwidth bottlenecks.

Mini/Micro/32/Serial/the weird round mouse and keyboard one. Those were all just straight-up trash but there was nothing better at the time. Personal devices were all a pretty new market so there was no standardization at all. The EU didn't really have anything to do with the changes back then.

AUX, Serial, HDMI, DP, the square printer one, the weird Sata on the Galaxy S, VGA, DVI....

You mis-read what Manic is saying.
If the EU had their way, every phone will be using USB-C, including iphones.
But you are correct, micro USB was replaced by USB-C due to better speeds.

[trollface]

I honestly don't think we need to legislate anything in regards to phones.

Let's be honest, the company we're talking about here is Apple and their lightning. Most phones sold now are all on USB-C. A lot of Apple products are already moving to C (ipads) etc. This EU push is going to be pretty moot in about 1-2 years when Iphones make the switch IMO. 90% of their products are already C.

I personally don't like lighting, but I am also not a huge fan of govt telling companies how to design tech products. Most of the people making these laws don't even know the Iphone isn't made by Google and openly calls the the CEO Tim Apple in front of Congress.

Do we really want ppl as old as Stonehenge making these laws?

I feel like EV is in the same boat as the early 2000's when it comes to laptops/phones/mp3 players. No one has any idea what's going on, what works, what doesn't. Everyone just wants to be first to market to grab customers. I thnk we'll see a natural progression and standardization on the plug when the market/tech matures a little. The EV market is VERY new compared to the IC.

Let's be honest here, in order for EV to work, we need mass adoption propelled by infrastructure that will support it (charging stations etc). It's really in everyone's interest to agree on one so you don't have to foot the entire bill of creating this system on your own dime. No one is going to buy a car from you if you can only charge it at your stations, it's kind of suicide. Tesla is even letting other cars use their stations now and it makes perfect sense.

I honestly think this problem will take care of itself when all the manufacturers get a few more years under their belts. You can stick a Canadian 120v appliance into a 220v socket and blow it up, I imagine a lot of these problems apply to the EV world. These problems can be solved, but that means costs, which may make your pricepoint too high, or you've got no product to deliver when your competition is grabbing market share in a market that's on FIRE.

The first gas car came out in 1885, the first gas pump that resembles our modern pump didn't appear till 1913.

https://www.saferack.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/history-of-the-gas-pump.jpg

[Manic!]

I don't think the EU had anything to do with the cable changes in the past 20 years. We honestly just had a bunch of shitty connectors that got phased out due to hitting bandwidth bottlenecks.

Mini/Micro/32/Serial/the weird round mouse and keyboard one. Those were all just straight-up trash but there was nothing better at the time. Personal devices were all a pretty new market so there was no standardization at all. The EU didn't really have anything to do with the changes back then.

AUX, Serial, HDMI, DP, the square printer one, the weird Sata on the Galaxy S, VGA, DVI....



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply

In 2009, a European Commission initiative resulted in the specification of a common external power supply (common EPS) for use with data-enabled mobile phones sold in the European Union. The external power supply is the AC electric power adapter that converts household AC electricity voltages to the much lower DC voltages needed to charge a mobile phone's internal battery. Although compliance is voluntary, a majority of the world's largest mobile phone manufacturers agreed to make their applicable mobile phones compatible with Europe's common external power supply specification (EN 62684:2010).

https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/23/europe-will-finally-legislate-for-a-common-charger-for-mobiles/

EU lawmakers are finally set to standardize charging ports for consumer electronics devices like smartphones and tablets — announcing a proposal today that, once adopted, will see the region settle on USB-C as a universal charging port for gadgets which will also include cameras, headphones, portable speakers and handheld videogames consoles.

Some smaller consumer electronics devices — like smart watches and fitness bands — are being excluded owing to factors like their size and conditions of use.

[M Speed]

I wonder when someone will step up and make it so that there is 1 plug that is industry standard.
It's very annoying that there are 4 different plugs. The good thing is it looks like Chademo is on it's way out so that leaves 3.

But that leaves all these EVs with Chademo with no quick charger.

Standardization without govt will be impossible. Every manufacturer will say one is superior than the other. Look at the smartphone, all andriod are now Type C and Apple is their lighting plug. EU had them mandated to ship with microUSB then....apple had to ship with USB cable and a lighting adaptor.

[SumAznGuy]

But that leaves all these EVs with Chademo with no quick charger.

Trollface isn't wrong.
At one point in time there was the great VHS vs Beta debate.
Beta was superior but VHS won.
Recently, there was Blu ray vs HD DVD's and Blue ray won out.

Chademo cars will eventually need an adaptor to charge at a Tesla supercharger just like Tesla's needing an adaptor to charge at DC fast chargers or on a level 2 charger with a J plug.

[tegra7]

Ioniq 5 price released
https://insideevs.com/news/545577/hyundai-ioniq5-prices-canada/

[trollface]

In 2009, a European Commission initiative resulted in the specification of a common external power supply (common EPS) for use with data-enabled mobile phones sold in the European Union. The external power supply is the AC electric power adapter that converts household AC electricity voltages to the much lower DC voltages needed to charge a mobile phone's internal battery. Although compliance is voluntary, a majority of the world's largest mobile phone manufacturers agreed to make their applicable mobile phones compatible with Europe's common external power supply specification (EN 62684:2010).


Were we not pretty much out of the wacky connector era by then anyway? Seems like most phones around 08/09 were already using the micro USB standard.

I mean look at what actually happened, there was no actual law, no regulation, it was a suggestion and we moved that way as a whole organically. No company in a capitalist society with shareholders does anything voluntarily unless it was profitable.

No was one going to hit them with a stick if they didn't comply and the EU certainly didn't force or mandate anyone into complying.

Samsung blasted out the S5 in 2014 with the craziest connector with them all.

Everyone just kind of agreed on what worked best and that's what I'm saying. I think we'll get there as a whole once we get a few more years under our belts and we figure out which method works best.

[carsncars]

Any thoughts on the Hyundai Tucson PHEV? My dad is seriously looking at one given the RAV4 Prime's waitlist is now 2-3 years. The price seems pretty competitive and he liked it on the test drives. Hyundai quotes a 4-6 month wait.

He's also on the list for an ID.4 for end 2021 (more likely early 2023), but still has some hesitancy about pure electric vehicles.

Not a lot of other options that are CUV-shaped and that get him the HOV sticker, and his A4 is nearing 300K km's...

[SumAznGuy]

Any thoughts on the Hyundai Tucson PHEV? My dad is seriously looking at one given the RAV4 Prime's waitlist is now 2-3 years. The price seems pretty competitive and he liked it on the test drives. Hyundai quotes a 4-6 month wait.

He's also on the list for an ID.4 for end 2021 (more likely early 2023), but still has some hesitancy about pure electric vehicles.

Not a lot of other options that are CUV-shaped and that get him the HOV sticker, and his A4 is nearing 300K km's...

What hesitancy does he have on a full EV?
How many KM's per day does he normally drive?

The Kona and Niro are both full EV and get 400 km's of range since they have the 62 kwh battery packs.
Both are CUV shaped.

Or get an Tesla Model Y. Its just a little bigger than an average CUV but not full SUV big in size.

[JDMDreams]

mx-30?:pokerface:

[Spectre_Cdn]

mx-30?:pokerface:

I love everything about it except it’s range. Surprised it’s actually available here since it seems like a compliance vehicle. Wait for the one with a Wankel range extender? :pokerface:

[Traum]

The MX-30 is a non-starter not only because of its limited range. That vehicle is coming to N.America in such low quantities that I'm not sure if anyone can get their hands on it unless they already have a pre-order. I remember reading that only 500+ vehicles are slated for delivery to N.America.

[jaaagman]

The MX-30 is a non-starter not only because of its limited range. That vehicle is coming to N.America in such low quantities that I'm not sure if anyone can get their hands on it unless they already have a pre-order. I remember reading that only 500+ vehicles are slated for delivery to N.America.

Not sure if its still in stock, but I saw about 2-3 a few weeks ago: https://www.langleymazda.com/vehicles/new/?view=grid&sc=new&md=MX30

I think it really depends on your commute. If you are just putting around town, 160 kms is not that bad. A smaller battery will mean shorter charging times, less weight, and lower replacement costs. You'd probably have to buy into this knowing you will either have to plan out your long trips or not do them at all with this car.

[JDMDreams]

^^ this, it really depends what your needs are. If they are old people that don't need to drive around much.

One thing that I've learned to like about ev is you have a full tank every morning or at least you have more than the previous day if you have a charger at home. It's like charging your phone. You no longer have to worry about what the gas price is or wait in line to gas up. Plugging in every night at home is so much easier than going out at night to get gas is the pissing rain cuz it's a few cents cheaper. The time savings is great, especially for old people as they can skip the dirty pumps.

[!Aznboi128]

The MX-30 works well for some, I had it for a week and it felt good. Tighter cabin for families.

I have the press event details and essentially they said that theyknow they don't have range to compete it's designed for those who have a 2nd vehicle. 1 gas and the other this. The MX-30 is designed to be a commuter rather than the long distance tourer.

[carsncars]

They (my parents) have decided the Kona and Niro are too small (the A4 Avant has always been "too small" after their previous car).

Honestly, he drives maybe 40-50 km on a regular day so an EV would be perfect for him. But they take a few driving trips a year, e.g. California, Edmonton, Kelowna, and I think that's where the range hesitancy comes from. That's despite me arguing that they have my mom's Elantra for those trips - they like the higher CUV driving position for longer drives. I think the thinking is that the PHEV becomes my mom's car in a few years, my dad gets a pure EV, and they still have the PHEV for longer trips.

Model Y: he actually ordered a Model 3 last fall but rejected it on delivery due to various quality issues, and I'm not sure he's ready to give Tesla another go yet. Plus he hated the touchscreen stuff.

I was thinking of getting him to test drive the XC60 Recharge over the weekend.

[jaaagman]

They (my parents) have decided the Kona and Niro are too small (the A4 Avant has always been "too small" after their previous car).

Honestly, he drives maybe 40-50 km on a regular day so an EV would be perfect for him. But they take a few driving trips a year, e.g. California, Edmonton, Kelowna, and I think that's where the range hesitancy comes from. That's despite me arguing that they have my mom's Elantra for those trips - they like the higher CUV driving position for longer drives. I think the thinking is that the PHEV becomes my mom's car in a few years, my dad gets a pure EV, and they still have the PHEV for longer trips.

Model Y: he actually ordered a Model 3 last fall but rejected it on delivery due to various quality issues, and I'm not sure he's ready to give Tesla another go yet. Plus he hated the touchscreen stuff.

I was thinking of getting him to test drive the XC60 Recharge over the weekend.

How about a Polestar 2? It will have a 400+ km range and a high driving position.

[Spectre_Cdn]

The MX-30 works well for some, I had it for a week and it felt good. Tighter cabin for families.

I have the press event details and essentially they said that theyknow they don't have range to compete it's designed for those who have a 2nd vehicle. 1 gas and the other this. The MX-30 is designed to be a commuter rather than the long distance tourer.

I don’t know if the program is only for the United States, but I heard MX-30 owners have access to loaner vehicles from Mazda several times per year. They can drop off the MX-30 at a dealership and borrow a larger vehicle such as the CX-9 for extended trips.

[CorneringArtist]

I love everything about it except it’s range. Surprised it’s actually available here since it seems like a compliance vehicle. Wait for the one with a Wankel range extender? :pokerface:

Inb4 someone bridgeports the range extender :badpokerface:

[JDMDreams]

What about a Gv60 or a Mach e I'm starting to like the exterior of the mach e. Just not a huge fan of the interior

[!Aznboi128]

I don’t know if the program is only for the United States, but I heard MX-30 owners have access to loaner vehicles from Mazda several times per year. They can drop off the MX-30 at a dealership and borrow a larger vehicle such as the CX-9 for extended trips.
Sadly US only, 10 times in 3 years.

What about a Gv60 or a Mach e I'm starting to like the exterior of the mach e. Just not a huge fan of the interior

GV60 looks like a stuffed balloon.

[M Speed]

Trollface isn't wrong.
At one point in time there was the great VHS vs Beta debate.
Beta was superior but VHS won.
Recently, there was Blu ray vs HD DVD's and Blue ray won out.

Chademo cars will eventually need an adaptor to charge at a Tesla supercharger just like Tesla's needing an adaptor to charge at DC fast chargers or on a level 2 charger with a J plug.

It isn't a right or wrong. Govt interventions will definitely speed things up. Tesla are CCS around the world except NA...that speaks volume govt regulation is needed.

[dark0821]

What hesitancy does he have on a full EV?
How many KM's per day does he normally drive?


Not sure about others, but when my parents picked up their new RAV4 Hybrid earlier this year...

one huge factor for my parents are the language barrier + not great with smart phones.

It might be just a 30 sec search thru an app for us to find charging stations. Or thru the infotainment system of the vehicle. But both of my parents only knows how to use WeChat... and that's basically the only app they use, maybe some Chinese news apps here and there.

There is also no draw in the "technology" part of the equation, like auto parking, "SUMMON" feature, auto pilot meants nth to my parents. Whereas these will be huge points to my wife.

Convenience - being able to not think about and put in gas when the tank runs empty brings a piece of mind / secruity to my parent's psych that's cant be overstated. Because it will be the only vehicle in the family for them.

Lastly was the reliability or at least the lack of history of EVs on long term performance. Unlike me who switches out vehicels maybe every 5 years or so, they keep their vehicle for the long haul. They traded in their previous Nissan Rogue at 265,000KM, and the only reason that prompt the switch to the Rav4 was the CVT was starting to exhibit symptoms. So rather wait for in imminient CEL or major repairs, parents traded it in like the moment they think the vehicle was going to give them trouble.

[dark0821]

Anyone going to the Porsche Taycan driving experience event on Nov 5/6? I don't have the money for one but I still want to try driving one. Will be there Sat Nov 6 at 11AM. :D

I was there at Porsche Vancouver earlier yesterday. I have to say it is so far beyond my means that it is not even remotely funny. Kind of disheartnening...

Vehicle itself was great, it was just the base 4S with chrono pkg. We took the 5min test drive and when the sales was pointing me back to the dealership, I asked him if I could take it for another round. He then just said, I will take you on the extended route. The test drive ended up lasting 25min. I took a photo when I first got in, so had a timestamp of when I started lol.

Sales was boasting how the Tycan had sufficient cooling that you can launch the cars multiple times. We ended up doing it a few times, and even just the 4S felt other worldly fast.

He told me that the avg Taycan that goes out the door is abt 150k + taxes. I told him, at 150k I would get a 911 GTS. He said GTS pushes 200k... He said 150k will get me a "rather use-able" 911 carrera S.

150k pre-taxed Porsche gets you.. $0 down, $3300/mth + tax (so about $3700) a month on a 36 month lease. Factor in insurnace + gas (if its not the Tycan) and you will be looking at an easy $5k on a car every month.

I know Revscene is full of ballers. But I am no where near being able to afford 5K a month on a car. Not even remotely close, my only chance would be to start some investments now and hopefully by the time I retire, the investment is enough to just out right buy out a car of that caliper.

Really brings things to perspective, looking at my expenses and mortgage. I told my wife that Porsche ownership is probably out of the question for the next decade, if not 2 decades loool

**Edit: great motivator for sure, to really make you think, you only live once, you really should try your hardest to not have any regrets...

///end rant

[Koflach]

Any thoughts on the Hyundai Tucson PHEV? My dad is seriously looking at one given the RAV4 Prime's waitlist is now 2-3 years. The price seems pretty competitive and he liked it on the test drives. Hyundai quotes a 4-6 month wait.

He's also on the list for an ID.4 for end 2021 (more likely early 2023), but still has some hesitancy about pure electric vehicles.

Not a lot of other options that are CUV-shaped and that get him the HOV sticker, and his A4 is nearing 300K km's...

Personally, i'm not a fan of the PHEV. You get all the bad parts of an ICE vehicle (gas, maintenance, slow...) and all the expensive negatives of an EV (more expensive, low range in electric mode...). If they're considering a PHEV, i'd just go all in on an EV and don't look back. I've been driving mine for over 3 years and it's a great experience.

[JDMDreams]

^^ this, guys on here previously said basically you still need to do oil changes every 5000km even though half of the Kms might be on electric. You basically have twice the maintenance ice and electric

[GLOW]

i asked the question on here with owners, ppl said the hybrid portion you just have to worry about the hybrid battery when it goes, but the rest is not a whole lot diff than an ICE car.

what else would there be for that second system?

[EvoFire]

Went to test drive the Polestar 2 yesterday. Wife asked me why we were test driving a pornstar the first time I brought it up........

Anyways...
The PS2 they had for test drive has the performance package, which is what I would have spec'ed mine with. I thought the car was a little small and seeing it in person, it is.
I liked the materials that were chosen for the car and overall I like the comfort of it.

Only thing that really stood out as odd was how boomy is cabin was on road impacts. Everything is fine except everytime it hits a joint or edge it has a very bassy boom. The test driver was great in explaining the car, but the girl manning the booth wasn't.

[Traum]

As far as Porsche ownership is concerned, for someone who is solidly in the middle class, I would say it is definitely an entirely achievable goal. You just have to adjust that goal accordingly, based on your needs / wants / financial situation, etc. There are 986 Boxsters that can be had for $10k - $15k:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/882776269264534/

and at the other end of the spectrum, there is the latest greatest 992 GT3 going for god knows how much -- $500k+ at least?

If you are interested in a 911, something like this just showed up in my FB marketplace feed this morning:

Porsche 996
$36.5k
118k km

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/247234540632818

https://scontent.fyvr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/p720x720/254221136_10166011402005314_932048147005100162_n.j pg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=843cd7&_nc_ohc=T5FaMbfoFrgAX9ENCMe&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr3-1.fna&oh=2e5c342e58dcba45e52b42a9ee29f83b&oe=618C9A8C

The current owner is a PCA CWR member, and to a certain extent, that always gives me a little extra peace of mind. There are issues with the 996 -- you need to know about them to weight the risks.

And then there are other means of "ownership". With the $150k+ Porsches -- or any car in that range, really -- I'd think a lot of owners are leasing it under their business, and writing it off -- at least partly -- as a business expense.

If you have a Porsche itch to scratch, go for it.

I totally wouldn't have said any of the above a few years ago. But having seen a few friends / people I know just passing away in the last several years -- and then COVID hits -- all of that gave me a different perspective on certain things in life.

I know Revscene is full of ballers. But I am no where near being able to afford 5K a month on a car. Not even remotely close, my only chance would be to start some investments now and hopefully by the time I retire, the investment is enough to just out right buy out a car of that caliper.

Really brings things to perspective, looking at my expenses and mortgage. I told my wife that Porsche ownership is probably out of the question for the next decade, if not 2 decades loool

[dark0821]

As far as Porsche ownership is concerned, for someone who is solidly in the middle class, I would say it is definitely an entirely achievable goal. You just have to adjust that goal accordingly, based on your needs / wants / financial situation, etc. There are 986 Boxsters that can be had for $10k - $15k:

and at the other end of the spectrum, there is the latest greatest 992 GT3 going for god knows how much -- $500k+ at least?

If you are interested in a 911, something like this just showed up in my FB marketplace feed this morning:

Porsche 996
$36.5k
118k km

The current owner is a PCA CWR member, and to a certain extent, that always gives me a little extra peace of mind. There are issues with the 996 -- you need to know about them to weight the risks.

And then there are other means of "ownership". With the $150k+ Porsches -- or any car in that range, really -- I'd think a lot of owners are leasing it under their business, and writing it off -- at least partly -- as a business expense.

If you have a Porsche itch to scratch, go for it.

I totally wouldn't have said any of the above a few years ago. But having seen a few friends / people I know just passing away in the last several years -- and then COVID hits -- all of that gave me a different perspective on certain things in life.

100% agree for sure...

As a goal of a P car, I just told myself go big or go home. A 10/15 yr old cayman/boxster is always within my grasp (not comfortably, but easy enough that it wouldnt really affect my daily life).

lol, the only Cayman I want is the Cayman R.. in manual, or the GT4. But at the prices they commend... I might as well go for a 911 hahaha.

However... if I was to splurge, it would need to be a manual 911 at the right spec.

If it wasn't the Covid tax on used cars, I would defn be looking at a 996. I might be in the minority, but I dont think the 996 looks bad at all hahaha. Its like the R33 Skyline against its siblings...

Ultimate dream is still a 997.2 GT3 (as it eliminated the IMS bearing completely), forum owners all says it is a big step up from 997.1. Only gripe is the center locking wheels (I heard its a PITA, and the torque wrench is so expensive that the local owners shares one wrench within a group of them lol)

Hehehe, not in a super rush, if something comes along at the right time with the right spec, and if I can swing it with wifey + 2 kids. My parents are going to kill me regardless lolol, but given that they almost never visit me at my house (I always go to them), I might be able to tuck it away in the garage =D

[Traum]

Be sure to get yourself a nice meaningful drive in both a Cayman and a 911 before coming down to a conclusive decision on which one you prefer. Both are fantastic cars, although the early Caymans could certainly use a little more power. Still, I had the Porsche bug planted deep in me when I had an opportunity to drive a 987.1 Cayman S at the track. It could easily use (and handle) an extra 50hp, but the handling is so sublime and intuitive that I was instantly sold. And at the time, I was already driving a nicely modified Miata, so I was no stranger to how good handling cars behave.

The 911 drives quite differently than the Cayman, esp the 996 and 997. You really feel that weight out in the back, and it is a different experience. Technically, the MR layout is supposed to be "better", but subjectively, it really just comes down to what you like better.

I would never recommend anyone to go beyond their means just to purchase a car -- it is one of the least financially responsible thing anyone can do. But have you looked into how viable it is to finance your Porsche through HELOC? With interest rates the way they are sitting right now, borrowing costs are really quite minimal. So if you are comfortable with your family's finances and job security, it could be your ticket to bring that Porsche home. I actually know more than 1 person who are doing exactly just that -- take out a HELOC, and used the money to fund a Porsche purchase.

I used to think it was important to pay down the mortgage -- that is to say, pay it off way before the full 30 year duration it was supposed to last. And my wife and I have made some lump sum payments into it in the past when we had some wiggle room. But nowadays, I have absolutely no desire to pay a cent more than what my bi-weekly payment requires because I fully intend to blow that money on a Porsche instead. I'm on "the wrong side" of 40, and delayed gratification doesn't make nearly as much sense as it did in my 20's and 30's anymore.

I hope I'll see you in your Cayman R / 996 / 997 / 997.2 GT3 some time.
lol, the only Cayman I want is the Cayman R.. in manual, or the GT4. But at the prices they commend... I might as well go for a 911 hahaha.

However... if I was to splurge, it would need to be a manual 911 at the right spec.

If it wasn't the Covid tax on used cars, I would defn be looking at a 996. I might be in the minority, but I dont think the 996 looks bad at all hahaha. Its like the R33 Skyline against its siblings...

Ultimate dream is still a 997.2 GT3 (as it eliminated the IMS bearing completely), forum owners all says it is a big step up from 997.1. Only gripe is the center locking wheels (I heard its a PITA, and the torque wrench is so expensive that the local owners shares one wrench within a group of them lol)

Hehehe, not in a super rush, if something comes along at the right time with the right spec, and if I can swing it with wifey + 2 kids. My parents are going to kill me regardless lolol, but given that they almost never visit me at my house (I always go to them), I might be able to tuck it away in the garage =D

[JDMDreams]

Well these definitely seem doable on a HELOC unless you own a one bed apartment. Price of a model y.

https://images.craigslist.org/00r0r_fPGWSytLAC3z_0wX0lW_1200x900.jpg

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/ctd/d/burnaby-2007-porsche-911-turbo-997/7399958673.html

https://images.craigslist.org/00X0X_8ep5IlKwrjLz_0x20m5_1200x900.jpg

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/ctd/d/vancouver-2005-porsche-911-turbo/7403049953.html

[M Speed]

Be sure to get yourself a nice meaningful drive in both a Cayman and a 911 before coming down to a conclusive decision on which one you prefer. Both are fantastic cars, although the early Caymans could certainly use a little more power. Still, I had the Porsche bug planted deep in me when I had an opportunity to drive a 987.1 Cayman S at the track. It could easily use (and handle) an extra 50hp, but the handling is so sublime and intuitive that I was instantly sold. And at the time, I was already driving a nicely modified Miata, so I was no stranger to how good handling cars behave.

The 911 drives quite differently than the Cayman, esp the 996 and 997. You really feel that weight out in the back, and it is a different experience. Technically, the MR layout is supposed to be "better", but subjectively, it really just comes down to what you like better.

I would never recommend anyone to go beyond their means just to purchase a car -- it is one of the least financially responsible thing anyone can do. But have you looked into how viable it is to finance your Porsche through HELOC? With interest rates the way they are sitting right now, borrowing costs are really quite minimal. So if you are comfortable with your family's finances and job security, it could be your ticket to bring that Porsche home. I actually know more than 1 person who are doing exactly just that -- take out a HELOC, and used the money to fund a Porsche purchase.

I used to think it was important to pay down the mortgage -- that is to say, pay it off way before the full 30 year duration it was supposed to last. And my wife and I have made some lump sum payments into it in the past when we had some wiggle room. But nowadays, I have absolutely no desire to pay a cent more than what my bi-weekly payment requires because I fully intend to blow that money on a Porsche instead. I'm on "the wrong side" of 40, and delayed gratification doesn't make nearly as much sense as it did in my 20's and 30's anymore.

I hope I'll see you in your Cayman R / 996 / 997 / 997.2 GT3 some time.

Except Covid had made buying vehicles a viable investment...LOL

I also agree that a Cayman is a very good handling. I personally think it out perform 911 in value.

[roastpuff]

I was there at Porsche Vancouver earlier yesterday. I have to say it is so far beyond my means that it is not even remotely funny. Kind of disheartnening...

Vehicle itself was great, it was just the base 4S with chrono pkg. We took the 5min test drive and when the sales was pointing me back to the dealership, I asked him if I could take it for another round. He then just said, I will take you on the extended route. The test drive ended up lasting 25min. I took a photo when I first got in, so had a timestamp of when I started lol.

Sales was boasting how the Tycan had sufficient cooling that you can launch the cars multiple times. We ended up doing it a few times, and even just the 4S felt other worldly fast.

He told me that the avg Taycan that goes out the door is abt 150k + taxes. I told him, at 150k I would get a 911 GTS. He said GTS pushes 200k... He said 150k will get me a "rather use-able" 911 carrera S.

150k pre-taxed Porsche gets you.. $0 down, $3300/mth + tax (so about $3700) a month on a 36 month lease. Factor in insurnace + gas (if its not the Tycan) and you will be looking at an easy $5k on a car every month.

I know Revscene is full of ballers. But I am no where near being able to afford 5K a month on a car. Not even remotely close, my only chance would be to start some investments now and hopefully by the time I retire, the investment is enough to just out right buy out a car of that caliper.

Really brings things to perspective, looking at my expenses and mortgage. I told my wife that Porsche ownership is probably out of the question for the next decade, if not 2 decades loool

**Edit: great motivator for sure, to really make you think, you only live once, you really should try your hardest to not have any regrets...

///end rant
Yeah, I can't justify buying a 150K+ car... I was there for shits and giggles. Pretty much told the sales that, they didn't care lol. I guess it is aspirational, but I'm more likely to buy a used Cayman/Boxster, as that's more "achievable" for me in the future.

[lilaznviper]

considering getting an ev now since wife started a new job and took my car for work. for those with detached garage, what options are there to install an outlet for EV?

[dark0821]

I am blessed that my parents and my inlaws gave us enough for a downpayment, so we got into the market relatively early

spending most of my income on a P car is one thing (parents will most defn kill me), to take a HELOC for a P car is something entirely different (parents wont just kill me, but my body will be unrecognizable by forensics).....

hahahaha. But yes, the interest is so low that I was telling my wife, taking out HELOC and just doing super basic investing will yeild more $$$ than the interest incurs... we have started doing that in the recent year, and so far... so good (knock on wood).

one thing EVO ownership VS Miata ownership has taught me is that I actually have way more fun in the miata. Driving a slow car fast is defn the way to go.

Also the looming costs of brakes, tires is always on the back of my mind whenever I think of track days when I had the EVO. The car was so taxing on the brakes (especially at mission) that you will go thru 35% of pads in a single track day....and then the tires, 275/35/18s are well.... not inexpensive....It felt super guilty every single time. I guess I am just poor lolol.

On the other hand, the miata experience is great. I can gun it in the city with my 85rwhp everywhere I go. Gas is cheap, brakes are cheap, tires are like free (comparatively). I can enjoy the car without guilt.

So yea... in conclusion, even if I somewhere did the dumb thing and got into a P car, I think it will be a very similar experience to my EVO ownership experience but 10Xs worse. lolol, I will probably never take it to a track day, because I wouldnt be able to afford it to keep it running.

One day... one day... now just need to keep my head down and work harder...

[nismodrifter]

We are in need of a larger family vehicle to haul child + future children in.

Looking for a 5 seater, mid size SUV, German, used.
Any electric/hybrid options available for me?

I see hybrid 2018 X5's on the market for 40+.
I see a rare 2020 GLE450 hybrid which run about 80k.
I see Cayenne hybrids for baller amounts of $ (out of my range).
I see hybrid q5 2020 PHEV for 60k range.

Any thing else ?

[EvoFire]

Audi etron and X5 edrive45? Aren't a whole lot of choices.

I'm personally interested in the X5 and the Cayenne but I has no monies.

[supafamous]

I was there at Porsche Vancouver earlier yesterday. I have to say it is so far beyond my means that it is not even remotely funny. Kind of disheartnening...

Vehicle itself was great, it was just the base 4S with chrono pkg. We took the 5min test drive and when the sales was pointing me back to the dealership, I asked him if I could take it for another round. He then just said, I will take you on the extended route. The test drive ended up lasting 25min. I took a photo when I first got in, so had a timestamp of when I started lol.

Sales was boasting how the Tycan had sufficient cooling that you can launch the cars multiple times. We ended up doing it a few times, and even just the 4S felt other worldly fast.

He told me that the avg Taycan that goes out the door is abt 150k + taxes. I told him, at 150k I would get a 911 GTS. He said GTS pushes 200k... He said 150k will get me a "rather use-able" 911 carrera S.

150k pre-taxed Porsche gets you.. $0 down, $3300/mth + tax (so about $3700) a month on a 36 month lease. Factor in insurnace + gas (if its not the Tycan) and you will be looking at an easy $5k on a car every month.

I know Revscene is full of ballers. But I am no where near being able to afford 5K a month on a car. Not even remotely close, my only chance would be to start some investments now and hopefully by the time I retire, the investment is enough to just out right buy out a car of that caliper.

Really brings things to perspective, looking at my expenses and mortgage. I told my wife that Porsche ownership is probably out of the question for the next decade, if not 2 decades loool

**Edit: great motivator for sure, to really make you think, you only live once, you really should try your hardest to not have any regrets...

///end rant

I was there on the Friday and took a spin in the chalk Cross Turismo which was basically the spec I'd get one in if I ever got into a Taycan. Very nice car but I still have my eyes set on a 911S or 718 GTS 4.0 right now. I'd really like to buy new to get it exactly the way I want it and do the whole European delivery thing but it's going to be a car I drive once a week so kinda wrestling with how to justify $150-200k on a garage queen - I'm in the category of income that it's a once in a lifetime purchase, not a once every 3 years purchase (those folks with multiple 992s are nuts).

Maybe I'll just end up in a Macan EV instead and split the diff. I bet the Macan EV will be an absolute hoot and sell like crazy.

[JDMDreams]

Why German doe? There's always the new Outlander phev for us poor folk that wants 0% financing and 10 year warranty :okay: new one is 7 seater too more room for hoes :ifyouknow:

[SumAznGuy]

Why German doe? There's always the new Outlander phev for us poor folk that wants 0% financing and 10 year warranty :okay: new one is 7 seater too more room for hoes :ifyouknow:

If only it was full EV. :okay:

[supafamous]

Why German doe? There's always the new Outlander phev for us poor folk that wants 0% financing and 10 year warranty :okay: new one is 7 seater too more room for hoes :ifyouknow:

I think I might rather drink bleach than be caught in a modern Mitsubishi. Maybe not the Outlander but that is some sad product lineup right now.

[SumAznGuy]

Maybe I'll just end up in a Macan EV instead and split the diff. I bet the Macan EV will be an absolute hoot and sell like crazy.

The lease on my Leaf is up in 2 years and after having the Leaf, I love how quiet and smooth EV's are.
But for my next car, I want an SUV so either I go Cayenne Hybrid or the Macan EV. Fingers crossed on the latter.

[Traum]

But for my next car, I want an SUV so either I go Cayenne Hybrid or the Macan EV. Fingers crossed on the latter.
If the Macan EV is what you're thinking of, you better head over to the Porsche dealership soon and put a deposit down sooner rather than later. Given the expected demand and chip shortage, I think there is gonna be a quite a waitlist for it.

[SumAznGuy]

If the Macan EV is what you're thinking of, you better head over to the Porsche dealership soon and put a deposit down sooner rather than later. Given the expected demand and chip shortage, I think there is gonna be a quite a waitlist for it.

That's a good point.
Time to head downtown and give Crystal a visit.

[supafamous]

That's a good point.
Time to head downtown and give Crystal a visit.

Is Crystal the one to talk to at PCV?

[SumAznGuy]

Is Crystal the one to talk to at PCV?

She's one of the better looking sales people at PCV

[Traum]

Is Crystal the one to talk to at PCV?
I've interacted with Derrick at PCV a whole bunch of times, and he has been super helpful and professional despite me being a tire kicker bombarding him with tons of questions.

[SumAznGuy]

I've interacted with Derrick at PCV a whole bunch of times, and he has been super helpful and professional despite me being a tire kicker bombarding him with tons of questions.

It's too bad Tofu doesn't sell P cars.

[JDMDreams]

There's also Nx450h+ but who knows when that will land like 2026? And the new range rover has phev too but more than I can afford. Oooo what about a used ipace. Those still look pretty cool to me and it's not like model y that's so mainstream.

[JDMDreams]

:notbad:

https://images.craigslist.org/00s0s_75Jr6dPMDeSz_0cU08B_600x450.jpg


https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/ctd/d/vancouver-2019-jaguar-pace-hse-lau/7403173316.html

[SumAznGuy]

It isn't a right or wrong. Govt interventions will definitely speed things up. Tesla are CCS around the world except NA...that speaks volume govt regulation is needed.

I don't think government interventions is necessary.
It's just a matter of time for the technology to catch up.
Japan adapted Chademo because that was what they thought they needed.
Now CCS has shown it is superior to Chademo and soon no car company will be using it.

As we learn more about charging batteries, companies are moving to higher charging rates for quick charges.
Maybe within our lifetime, a 5 min charge will get you up to 80%.

[Hondaracer]

God, must be awful to be her and deal with the types that come in there lol

[supafamous]

God, must be awful to be her and deal with the types that come in there lol

Cries into her commission cheque every month.

[LP700-4]

I won't comment on the above posts about my colleagues :badpokerface: but I am happy to help anyone looking into Porsche also.

We are taking deposits on Macan E already and have a handful in line so if anyone is looking to secure one early now is the time. Thing is, it is still not officially revealed yet so maybe still 2+ years away.

[M Speed]

I don't think government interventions is necessary.
It's just a matter of time for the technology to catch up.
Japan adapted Chademo because that was what they thought they needed.
Now CCS has shown it is superior to Chademo and soon no car company will be using it.

As we learn more about charging batteries, companies are moving to higher charging rates for quick charges.
Maybe within our lifetime, a 5 min charge will get you up to 80%.

Nothing is necessary in the long run. Gov't intervention is the catalyst to standardize the plug. Even location of the plug could also be standardized. Vehicles aren't like cellphones or tablets that can replace easily.

Yes as the different plugs phrased out, there will be adaptors produced to make the new plug compatible but the cost will be high (look at Tesla to Chademo $500+).