[MG1]

There doesn't seem to be a thread anywhere (not that I looked that hard). Any suggestions on where to start one? I purchased an all electric vehicle and just love it. Would like to share experiences / pros and cons / etc. with other owners.

[?NR]

I'd suggest just in the VAC main forum for now.

How about a "Future Mobility" forum for hybrids, EV's, solar...etc?

[MG1]

As I see gas prices now in the $1.50+ range, I am so glad I took the plunge into a fully electric vehicle. No gas, oil changes, spark plugs, timing belt issues, etc. ZERO emissions. And, that HOV decal, lol.

I used to have range anxiety issues, but I'm so used to it now. Plus, with more and more DC Fast Charging stations, range anxiety is a thing of the past. 20 minutes is all I need to go from empty to 80% charge. I also have a level 2 charger at home. To charge my little car, it costs somewhere between $2.50 and $3.00 from nearly empty to full (~5 hours on level 2). Most of the time, I charge at shopping malls, so the cost is reduced by a fair margin. On a good day, I get upwards to 115 kms of range.

Electric vehicles are not for everybody, but the EV's with range extenders do make sense. The Volt, BMW i3, etc.

PHEV's are becoming popular, although it's just cheesy, IMHO.


I'm hoping the Tesla Model 3 will be delayed further, because once they come out, public charging stations would be full all the time.

BC government now offer rebates for people wanting to install charging stations at home or at their business. New condo's/buildings are now required to be installed in some municipalities.

The BC Scrap It program offers $6000.00 towards an electric vehicle for any vehicle that moves (as long as it has been insured for min. 6 months). On top of this, there is the $5000.00 government rebate that is available at dealerships.


I have no idea why I am posting this, because I have a good thing going here. As soon as people start to realize the benefits of owning an electric car and start buying them, everything will change.................

[whitev70r]

What did you get? You can get into one now pretty reasonable, used Leafs are flooding market.

Personally, I'm interested in the best plug in hybrid. Reduce range anxiety. Love the Audi A3 etron but $$$$$.

[Traum]

The Tesla Model 3 has just been announced with a Cdn price of $45.6k:

https://electrek.co/2018/03/21/tesla-model-3-canada-price/

I remain highly skeptical of how soon and how many cars Mr. Con Man is capable of delivering though...

[whitev70r]

Used Fiat 500e? Staring at $14,500. About the same as used Nissan Leaf prices.

https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/ctd/d/fiat-500e-all-electric-now-in/6522322607.html

Golf E looks good but WAY too $$. Might as well get a slightly used R for that price.

[bcedhk]

Used Fiat 500e? Staring at $14,500. About the same as used Nissan Leaf prices.

Golf E looks good but WAY too $$. Might as well get a slightly used R for that price.

That's like comparing apples and oranges.

People are willing a premium to offset the notion of not having to pay for gas. if the car car last for 5+ years without major maintenance cost, i'm sure it's total ownership value will be a lot less than a golf R.

[Lomac]

lol moving this to VAC

[hud 91gt]

When’s the first electric pickup going to come out?

[MG1]

When’s the first electric pickup going to come out?

https://electrek.co/2018/01/09/workhorse-opens-reservation-electric-pickup-truck/

W-15 Pickup | Workhorse (http://workhorse.com/pickup/)


A Canadian product............ Yay!

Havelaar Canada | Bison (http://www.havelaarcanada.com/bison/)

https://www.investinontario.com/success-stories/worlds-first-all-electric-pickup-truck-made-ontario

[SumAznGuy]

MG1, you still didn't tell us what car did you get?

Black Leaf?

[twitchyzero]

he's mentioned he owns a smart fortwo
how does an electric truck operate? instant torque translates to work? does towing drain battery?

[SumAznGuy]

he's mentioned he owns a smart fortwo
how does an electric truck operate? instant torque translates to work? does towing drain battery?

But but but... Is it black?

[68style]

I really liked the little Bolt at the Vancouver Auto Show, save for some typical GM crappy plastic finishing... but looks like a great product and really good range. Too bad it's $41k to start... yah you can bring it down to $30k with incentives if you qualify for all of them... but still...

For me, the technology just isn't quite there yet. Too many questions about reduced capacity in too few years... If you told me in 5 years my gas car would have 75% as much horsepower and 25% worse mileage capablity than when it was new, I'd be super pissed... and that's the reality of these cars right now.

Also, if you want a laugh MG1 (or cry for your future) google Tesla charging station lineups in Norway... they're almost always 15 cars deep, takes hours to get recharged there's so many Tesla's there. The infrastructure will catch up one day, but LOL at it until then.

[Traum]

Speaking of the autoshow, I talked to one of the charging station vendors, and he told me that with the combination of autoshow discount and government incentives, their basic single outlet home charging station would only come to ~$100 -- not including electrician / installation charges. That is seriously cheap!

If I was still living in my old house where the (attached) garage is just right outside (right on the other side of the wall) of the laundry room, it shoudn't be difficult to tap into the 220V wiring that is already there, and voilà~! I could have started EV shopping.

[hud 91gt]

^ seriously? I almost would have bought one just for shits and giggles. Maybe make some new hippy friends.

[Traum]

I know, right? Mind you, the electrician work and stuff is still going to cost some money, but I can't imagine the whole thing being too expensive.

For what it is worth, this is the vendor I was chatting with:

https://www.chargepoint.com/en-ca/

[AstulzerRZD]

For me, the technology just isn't quite there yet. Too many questions about reduced capacity in too few years... If you told me in 5 years my gas car would have 75% as much horsepower and 25% worse mileage capablity than when it was new, I'd be super pissed... and that's the reality of these cars right now.

This is largely a concern with the Leaf, which doesn't have any active cooling (other than a fan afaik) which is a huge issue for the 1st gen in warm weather climates. Replacement packs are $5500 from Nissan, which gets you the 2015 revision of the pack.

The 2nd gen Leaf seems to be throttling itself during quick charging since the algorithms to manage the thermals are more aggresive battery pack is now from a 3rd party vendor instead of in house.

All other batteries have active cooling, so it's much less of an issue.

[yray]

waiting for the day we talk about adding capacitors in our cars

and having them explode :lawl:

[whitev70r]

Also, if you want a laugh MG1 (or cry for your future) google Tesla charging station lineups in Norway... they're almost always 15 cars deep, takes hours to get recharged there's so many Tesla's there. The infrastructure will catch up one day, but LOL at it until then.

Wait till Model 3's start arriving! I wonder what the experience of line ups are here in Vancouver.

[Traum]

Do we have anyone on RS driving a Tesla on a regular day-in, day-out basis? I remain very skeptical of the company and their products as anything more than a boutique brand. In particular, when everyday issues crop up -- servicing / maintenance type of stuff and esp collision repairs -- I am not convinced Tesla is ready to provide that kind of after sales support to their customers.

Would love to hear some owner testimonials though -- esp in regards to those everyday issues I mentioned.

[Great68]

An EV would fit my daily driving needs perfectly, which now since my office moved is about 50 kms a week (I walk 2kms to work unless I need to meet a customer or go to a job site).

However, at $35k+ it would take forever. Even when I was driving to/from work everyday (30km round trip) my annual gas bills came to ~$1200, and that's all at 94 octane.

Not to mention how bored I would feel driving an appliance every day.

[MG1]

LOL@SumAznGuy.........

RS profiler/stalker wannabe.

Comes to a meat once to check out everybody, never to be seen again.

Dude, I am the official profiler/stalker of RS.

To answer your burning question, yes, it is black.

[tiger_handheld]

any Hybrid that's in same class as CX 5?

Wish cx 5 came as hybrid!

[whitev70r]

^ Toyota RAV4 Hybrid would be one.

https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/ctd/d/2016-toyota-rav4-hybrid/6528009332.html

Nissan Pathfinder Hybrid, didn't even know they made one

https://abbotsford.craigslist.ca/ctd/d/2014-nissan-pathfinder/6550052748.html

Porsche Cayenne Hybrid

https://abbotsford.craigslist.ca/ctd/d/2011-porsche-cayenne-awd-4dr/6536520282.html

[MG1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibVWKiwIOIM

Plug-in SUV.

[whitev70r]

^ that should mean that it is HOV eligible!

[v_tec]

Speaking of the autoshow, I talked to one of the charging station vendors, and he told me that with the combination of autoshow discount and government incentives, their basic single outlet home charging station would only come to ~$100 -- not including electrician / installation charges. That is seriously cheap!

If I was still living in my old house where the (attached) garage is just right outside (right on the other side of the wall) of the laundry room, it shoudn't be difficult to tap into the 220V wiring that is already there, and voilà~! I could have started EV shopping.

Any idea what's the ballpart for installation charges?

[Traum]

Any idea what's the ballpart for installation charges?
Sorry, I wouldn't know, but I suspect those who are in trades would have a much better idea than I would.

[Manic!]

Install should not be that much just depends how far the panel is.

[yray]

talking about mitsubishi

did anyone notice the eclipse cross is like the 2018 version of the aztec

https://postmediadriving.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/dscn2465.jpg?quality=99&strip=all&w=1024

[Verdasco]

never talked about hybrids before. Might get one... is it really worth it in the long run? Looking the hyundai sonata hybrid, anyone got experience with these or any other hybrids in particular?

[Traum]

Personally, I think the current crop of mainstream hybrids are not worth my while, but I'd openly admit that I am biased against them.

We have a Prius in the family, and both the power delivery and driving experience has to be one of the worst I have ever experienced in a 4 wheeled vehicle. The car has a mind of its own when it comes to how much power it will give you, and it is frustrating when the ECU won't give you full power just because it thinks it's a bad idea to do so. FailFish The car also handles like a pig, with the rear beam axle literally feel like it is dragging its feet around the whole time. I get that this is a Prius, and its target audience probably doesn't give a crap about these 2 things. But hey, I told you I'm biased.

Also, I think a hybrid without any sort of plug-in capability is a load of bullcrap. The biggest savings are supposed to come from the electric motors, but if I can't manually top up the juice, it means I can't control the amount of savings I get from the car, so why bother getting one in the first place?

[oldsnail]

i had a first gen hybrid insight 5 speed.
i can achieve 3-4L / 100kms..

it was fairly peppy. but 1 st gen IMA, really paranoid.

[dark0821]

never talked about hybrids before. Might get one... is it really worth it in the long run? Looking the hyundai sonata hybrid, anyone got experience with these or any other hybrids in particular?

same, took the one at Brian Jessel Pre-owned for a spin, its not bad, for a DD it ticks all the right boxes for me at least.

But just talking to friends/family in general, every one says go for the Toyota Prius if you are going the hybrid route at this point in time. I think the rest of the manufactures are still playing the catch up game. For longevity, which is my main reason of getting into one... those 400,000KM Prius taxi gives me great confidence about Prius reliability lolol.

[Mr.Money]

too bad no tesla owners here,would like to hear the issues if any they have before going that way dropping awhole 90k+.....yikes

[FerrariEnzo]

https://hyundaicanada.com/en/coming-soon/2019-kona-electric

Looks good.. KONA electric

[MG1]

So, I’m at Empire Fields using the free DC fast charger. Since I have 20 minutes to kill, I decided to post something in this thread. When I purchased the first EV three years ago, the first thing I did was look into getting a Level 2 home charger. After all the research, I narrowed it down to the Clipper Creek charger. I didn’t have 240 at the back of the house, so I asked around to see what having one installed would cost. I was totally prepared to spend some money for it and wanted it done right. I asked Frip if he knew someone. You know he knows everyone, right? Anyway, I got this company (one of Frips friends works for them) to do the installation. So, long story short, the original panel in the house only had a few empty slots left for breakers, so electrician had to install another panel next to it. They then moved some of the breakers over to the new panel and then branched out to an outdoor conduit that ran to the back of the house where they installed another breaker panel in the garage. I’m so glad I went this route. Eventually, I was thinking electric cars would be very popular. I now have three 240 volt oulets in the garage. One outside between the two garage doors and two inside. Damn, I can hook up 240 heaters inside the garage and plug in a welder, ffs. Totally worth it. I also plan to run power to the covered driveway for lights and stuff. Anyway, the car is now charged. Em Gee Juan out!

[!LittleDragon]

Just bought my parents a Hyundai Ioniq hybrid... it's not bad, supposed to get 4L/100km. Not my type of car but it was decent. Drives like a normal car because it has an actual 6 speed transmission. No CVT... All in was about $30k with discounts.

If I was to buy a hybrid for myself, probably would go with the Q50 hybrid. It at least doesn't go like a snail...

[GS8]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5He78JbBxqw

Not cheap at $76k USD but interesting numbers and technology

Chinese assembled :troll:

[Badhobz]

My pops has a RX400h (2009) and its been bullet proof so far. Only thing that went was a ABS actuator pump that was covered by warranty. The hybrid drive train has been stout and has over 200,000kms on it without missing a beat.

He's running premium on it as suggested (only did that starting last year due to engine knocking) but he used to just throw regular in it cuz he's a cheap fuck. got a reliable 10/100km in the city and roughly 8-9/100km on highway. I drove it all the way down to LA a few years back and it truly is an amazing ride. Plush, comfortable, and great gas mileage. His RX even has a friggin TV in the back and you can fold the seats comfortably into a bed.

Granted this is a RX300, but the 400 does the same thing.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachments/rx-1st-gen-1999-2003/69480d1121830692-who-has-actaually-used-camper-mode-in-their-rx300-utility14.jpg

[whitev70r]

Here's a pretty clean one:

2006 Lexus RX400h, 123K kms, $13K
https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/cto/d/2006-lexus-rx400-rx400h-123k/6543842070.html

[MG1]

What did you get? You can get into one now pretty reasonable, used Leafs are flooding market.

Personally, I'm interested in the best plug in hybrid. Reduce range anxiety. Love the Audi A3 etron but $$$$$.

My first EV, a 2016 Smart for Two electric Drive, cost me a grand total of $20, 000.00. Taxes, everything in. Got $5000.00 rebate from government and Mercedes matched it with a further $5000.00. I thought it was a pretty good deal. My son needed to drive, so we got him the little EV. Hey, if you can't parallel park that little thing, you shouldn't be driving, gulolol. It's his car now. Man that thing is quick. 0-60 km/h in 4.7 seconds. Uphill not many cars can keep up. It is speed limited to 138 km/h, though.

My second EV, the one I'm driving now cost a little more. I scrapped my wife's old MPV van and got $6000.00 for it, lol. I would have got maybe 500 bucks at the most for it. It was leaking oil, had engine light go on and off more often than a Surrey Ho gets taken out. It was just nasty. It wasn't insured for about 6 months, but I got the scrap-it folks to make an exception. My wife passed away over two years ago and I just let the insurance run out. We had the vehicle since new, so with proof of insurance since day one, they approved the grant. It wasn't like I picked up a vehicle from a scrap yard.........

With the scrap it and the CEV for BC rebate, I got $11,000.00. Mitsubishi had a promo for another $3,000.00 since the model was being discontinued. So for a total of under $21,000.00 including pdi, freight, taxes, replacement insurance, etc. it was a done deal. The iMiEV, it's called is a really funky looking vehicle. I got the top of the line model with navi, back up camera, bluetooth, heated seats, remote start, etc, etc. And yes, stalkerazndude, it is black.......... Labrador Black to be precise. I hated the look of the vehicle at first, but it has grown on me. It comes with both level 2 and CHAdeMO (DC fast charge) receptacles. So, for zipping around town, it's great. It totally makes sense for me, a retired, debt free, care free, frugal asian. Plus, I own three other vehicles that are ICE (Internal Combustion Engine).

Most people think EV's are slow things because EV owners don't drive like I do. When you drive with the pedal to the metal, like I do, your range suffers a great deal. That's why EV owners drive like ye olde grannies.

I love the instant torque, no gear changes, and when I put it in "Brake Mode," I can do the one pedal driving thang. Scares the bejesus out of the people behind me as the brake lights don't come on like it does on the BMW i3. Hee hee, hue hue, pew pew.

Anyway, I hope this answers some questions.


I could have traded in all the vehicles and purchased a Tesla, but like someone else in this thread mentioned, I don't have much trust in that company. Plus, not going to be driving around in a $125000.00 car. I'm not like that. A $20000.00 vehicle for getting around is more who I am. I'm like 40 years passed the impress people stage, lol. Well................ maybe.

[brrrz]

When’s the first electric pickup going to come out?

Ford is planning on having a F150 Hybrid for 2020. Rumor has it there will also be a plug in version where the battery in the truck can be used as a power source over and above the current 400w outlet they currently offer for power saws, coolers, etc. That combined with wifi hotspot makes you wonder what the future of camping looks like.

Out of every car I am able to drive I always take a Fusion Hybrid every winter. Average 5.5L/100kms and 6.5L/100kms when it gets colder. Straight up I would start to get strange urges to go get gas because it would feel so weird to go 3+ weeks and not fill up. Current Mustang on the other hand...

[MG1]

Holy bejeezuz, I got to Empire Fields to charge the EV and nobody’s there. Then I see why. The station is down and there are electricians working at the sub panel. I still had 20kms left so I was about to go home to charge. I decide to talk to the electricians and they tell me the station will be up at 5:00 pm. I’m like okay. Then dude tells me, do you know where the Grandview Hwy Superstore is? I just finished installing a DC Fast Charging Station there. I’m like, “Fuck yeah!” And, it’s FREE!!!!!!!!!!! You have to have a Greenlots Card, which I happen to have. The charging station is right next to the gas station, gulolololololol. I should wave and say “Hi,” to those people who will be paying $2.00/litre soon.

Anyway, thank you electric vehicle gods!!!!!

360 volts at 75 amps? It changes to protect your battery as it fills up. This station seems faster than the one at Empire Fields. It’s been 15 minutes and I’m almost done. I hope they limit the stay here. Sometimes Tesla owners, not all, like to hog charging stations wherever they go. Yes, I’m being an electric vehicle owner, racist. Wait till I own one, gulolol.

[Hondaracer]

So i was listening to a joe rogan podcast the other day with Adam ferra (sp?) who is a automotive blogger etc and he said that most, if not all charging stations are going to be pay per use in the future? they will have a tap card associated with the specific brand of charger or will just use the tap feature on credit cards?

If so that kind of negates the savings to some extend depending on the charges

[MG1]

Savings? I charge at Langley Events Centre and it costs me 35 cents a KwH. Last time, I couldn't make the minimum charge of two dollars. The most I've ever spent was when my range was at zero. $3.50.

Same with Eco Dairy in Abbotsford.

I've got all angles covered. Have all three cards. Chargepoint, Flo, and Greenlots.

Then when all fails, there's always home or............ the casino, gulolol.


Empty to full, I pay $3.50 - $4.00 in electricity. How much was a litre of gas again?

[Hondaracer]

In your case of getting deals on your EV, sure.

If you’re spending 40k+ on a model 3 or could buy a comparable fuel Honda Civic for 20k I’d say it’s debatable whether you’d ever see the value in the EV in that type of scenario.

Not to mention all the work you mentioned in order to get a 240V charging station..you added 2 additional sub panels, what did that cost, 5 grand?

[MG1]

I sound like it’s all about saving money, but it’s more like zero emissions. This was years ago, but one day, I was behind a diesel truck and the guy purposely revved his engine to create a huge amount of black, sickening exhaust. I was sick for a month and my clothes were ruined. I realized then how much shit we put into the air we breathe. Yeah, I’m more of a tree hugger than I thought, gulolol.

Saving money is like icing on the cake.

[MG1]

Not to mention all the work you mentioned in order to get a 240V charging station..you added 2 additional sub panels, what did that cost, 5 grand?

More like 2-1/2. With charger cost, just over three grand. I also got them to install three 240 and two 110 outlets. Since then, I've added two more 110 by myself.

One more thing. I have 240 outlet in the back of the house for an electric stove. I could have had the electrician extend that to the garage and save a shitload of money, but I liked the idea of having a dedicated panel in the garage. And man, it was the best decision ever.......... but then again, it was mentioned in one of my previous posts.

[Hondaracer]

Yea might as well when you’re doing the wiring already, good foresight

I commend you for your tree hugging though, personally when it comes to EV’s I’m a bottom line type guy

[MG1]

Nice!! They Installed a DC Fast charger at the Coquitlam Superstore. All Superstores will have them. I was at 60% battery charge, plugged her in and done is 7 minutes flat. City of Vancouver is going to have 30 of them within a couple of years. The electrician I talked to today said there will be one within ten minutes drive from each other. I believe the ones at the Superstores will eventually be pay stations at 30-35 cents per Kw. Still a helluva lot cheaper than gasoline. Who knows? In ten years, we may have clean enough air to see downtown buildings clearly again, gulolol. I’m doing my part.

[!Aznboi128]

Although fast chargers are around, I still find it hard to charge. I had a chance to drive the PHEV Clarity, and it was a good mix. With 72km of electric range, it was enough for me to go to work and home for a few days without trying to find a charger. And if one could not be found, I just let the battery run flat, and the system automatically switches to the gas engine.

Personally, PHEV is the way to go for another few years until more charging stations pops up.

[MG1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1773&v=MfD67KCFxqI

Cot Dam, I soooooo want this car.

[punkwax]

^ yes. That will be my first EV.

https://media.giphy.com/media/IcCd2FhIzuIo0/giphy.gif

[Traum]

EV, RWD, Honda reliability (hopefully?). All the right ingredients.

I don't actually understand why Honda has no plans to release it in N.America. 200km is plenty for a city car, and many of the earlier EVs have ranges that are far poorer than that (I'm looking at you, 1st gen Leaf!) Even the current i3 only has ~250km range, so a 200km range isn't uncompetitive.

[MG1]

Cot dam, why did I post about it. Now I have to fight off the competition. Although, by the sounds of it, they may have plenty ready to go. Not like Civic Type R.

Come to think of it........... I better go to the dealership and put down some money.

Anyone on RS a Honda salesperson? PM me, gulolol.

[punkwax]

EV, RWD, Honda reliability (hopefully?). All the right ingredients.

I don't actually understand why Honda has no plans to release it in N.America

Well that sucks.

[donjalapeno]

EV, RWD, Honda reliability (hopefully?). All the right ingredients.

I don't actually understand why Honda has no plans to release it in N.America. 200km is plenty for a city car, and many of the earlier EVs have ranges that are far poorer than that (I'm looking at you, 1st gen Leaf!) Even the current i3 only has ~250km range, so a 200km range isn't uncompetitive.

2013-2015 Leafs have 130-150km range and we sell them like hot cakes. We sell more used Leafs than any Nissan dealership in the country. 200km is more than enough for most people. Honda should definitely bring it over to NA

[MG1]

WHAT???????????? FUCK YOU, Honda Canada. Yet another reason for me not to buy Honda anymore. Latest three vehicles have been non Honda after 5 decades of owning nothing but Honda cars. This was going to get me back into loving Honda again. Arghhhhh.............

[supafamous]

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/11/19/2019-honda-cr-v-hybrid-fuel-economy-more-revealed-for-europe/

In the rest of the world Honda offers up the CR-V as a hybrid and it'd likely get close to 40mpg on our tests. It uses what appears to be a detuned version of the Accord Hybrid drivetrain - if it was the un-detuned version I'd sign up pretty quick. As a new parent, the CR-V hit all the marks for me except it lacked about 20-30hp (would have been nice to have a real transmission too).

Fingers crossed that Honda or Acura offer up a hybrid of either the CR-V or RDX soon - I'd buy now if they had it but I'm holding off on buying a pure ICE version of their cars at the moment.

[68style]

^ have you driven one though? I spent some time behind the wheel of a new CRV and it was the automotive equivalent of eating plain oatmeal, what a completely vapid and uninspiring experience........

[Hehe]

I don't even have EV yet, but just installed a Nema 14-50 socket today when an electrician was coming to do some work on the breaker box for some problem we were having. He was able to do it for $50 extra (not including the materials, which was $150 or so) :fuckthatshit:

I figured I'm going Tesla after wife's lease is up and in-laws (who's already ordered one) can use it when they come over.

[supafamous]

^ have you driven one though? I spent some time behind the wheel of a new CRV and it was the automotive equivalent of eating plain oatmeal, what a completely vapid and uninspiring experience........

Have you driven the competition? The CX-5 is the only one that drives better, the rest are all hot garbage in comparison. I didn't love the CR-V as-is - the CVT sucks ass thus the RDX is at the top of my list BUT if it had a better drivetrain (like the Accord Hybrid) I could live with it for $10K less than the RDX. It's a baby-mobile so I gotta compromise, I ain't driving a Stelvio or X3.

I wish VW would sell a GTI wagon or sell the Golf R wagon here - I really liked the Golf wagon but it was missing a few luxury type features that I really wanted (ventilated seats, heated steering wheel, memory seats for example).

[68style]

I agree the CX5 is the only one I would want to drive, my sister has a newer RAV-4 and it also made me feel like sighing in resignation.

[EvoSpider]

For some reason, all the eGolfs on Craigslist are imported from US.

[supafamous]

For some reason, all the eGolfs on Craigslist are imported from US.

Vw.ca says there's a 12-18 month waitlist right now for Canadian e-Golfs so that would probably explain it.

Was chatting with my friend about how electric cars are getting to the point where they are cheaper than gas cars to own and operate and it really brought into relief how close we are to the tipping point. He spends about $200/mo on gas on his Civic hatch so figure $2k/yr after accounting for the cost of charging an electric. If he keeps the electric for 8 years (avg ownership of cars is now about 8-10 years) he'd save $16K just in operational cost and that doesn't even count lower maintenance costs (no oil changes, fewer brake jobs and fewer fluid changes).

Consider that a Kia Niro EV is $45K to start with a $10K rebate while a Civic hatch ranges from $24 to $32K and the numbers start coming up pretty good for the electric for a lot of use cases today.

In a few years when the 2nd rev of these cars show up (level 3+ charging, 500km of range) and charging stations are more common the debate might well die.

Man, I really gotta think hard about whether my next car is an ICE car or not.

[supafamous]

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/mazda-counts-evs-reach-eu-co2-goal

Mazda announces EV for 2020 but it comes to Europe first.

Mazda has been pretty firm in the past about not working on EVs and Hybrids but they're backed into a corner and are partnering up with Toyota now to ship EVs. A Mazda EV is pretty tempting - if it's a CX-5 sized car then it'd hit a lot of marks for me even at $60K but I don't think I could wait till 2021 or so for it to actually show up in Canada.

[UnknownJinX]

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/mazda-counts-evs-reach-eu-co2-goal

Mazda announces EV for 2020 but it comes to Europe first.

Mazda has been pretty firm in the past about not working on EVs and Hybrids but they're backed into a corner and are partnering up with Toyota now to ship EVs. A Mazda EV is pretty tempting - if it's a CX-5 sized car then it'd hit a lot of marks for me even at $60K but I don't think I could wait till 2021 or so for it to actually show up in Canada.The EV is gonna be a Mazda platform, not a Toyota one.

Either way, I am waiting to see the rotary range extender if that's really a thing.

[twitchyzero]

https://youtu.be/pEKq8jmckz0

too bad not available this side of pond (and overpriced/poor range)

[Jas29]

Dads loving his model 3. Hes been charging it mondays and fridays at work.

The only real issue we have had is getting enough power to have a suitable charger for home use right now we have a 30amp circuit which gives 35kph of charge. If we wanted a faster charger we would have to upgrade the power line coming to our house which isnt really worth the cost with him being able to charge at work for free right now

[Koflach]

Dads loving his model 3. Hes been charging it mondays and fridays at work.

The only real issue we have had is getting enough power to have a suitable charger for home use right now we have a 30amp circuit which gives 35kph of charge. If we wanted a faster charger we would have to upgrade the power line coming to our house which isnt really worth the cost with him being able to charge at work for free right now

my neighbour installed a range plug in my garage and it gets me about 50 kph of charge.

[MG1]

Not being picky, but you guys referring to kWh?

As in kilowatt per hour. KPH, I think stands for kilometres per hour, a measure of speed.

Just Saiyan..............

carry on carrying on.

[CorneringArtist]

Just picked up a Rav4 Hybrid the other day. Considering it shares a platform with the Camry, it's surprisingly nimble for an SUV. With my commute between Surrey and Langley, I'm pulling in 5.7L/100km, so I'm looking forward to getting some real drives in to test the range.

Being that it's $1400 difference between a gas and a hybrid, the break-even is insanely short.

[Jas29]

Not being picky, but you guys referring to kWh?

As in kilowatt per hour. KPH, I think stands for kilometres per hour, a measure of speed.

Just Saiyan..............

carry on carrying on.

If you go on the Tesla website they have a chart that shows you how many Km's you can drive after charging for an hour at different amps

So 30 amp breaker, max output would be 24amps , 5.7kW and 35 kilometers of range every hour (kph)

[J-Chow]

Just picked up a Rav4 Hybrid the other day. Considering it shares a platform with the Camry, it's surprisingly nimble for an SUV. With my commute between Surrey and Langley, I'm pulling in 5.7L/100km, so I'm looking forward to getting some real drives in to test the range.

Being that it's $1400 difference between a gas and a hybrid, the break-even is insanely short.

Nice choice! I was on a budget when I picked up the Corolla Hybrid, and if I had a little more room to play with, I would definitely consider the Rav 4 Hybrid or Camry Hybrid.

Right now, I'm racking in 4.2L/100km in all city Richmond driving, and a full tank of gas equates to 1050 km of range until empty.

[MG1]

If you go on the Tesla website they have a chart that shows you how many Km's you can drive after charging for an hour at different amps

So 30 amp breaker, max output would be 24amps , 5.7kW and 35 kilometers of range every hour (kph)

Ah........... "I see!" said the blind man.

Then perhaps the good folks over at Tesla, in their infinite wisdom, can come up with something better, so as not to confuse those who are not in the know.......


Perhaps KRPH - - - Kilometre Range Per Hour.

Or some other abbreviation. Better yet, an acronym of some kind. They are so crafty, after all...............


Edit: I know......... KORPH and MORPH - - Miles Of Range Per Hour............ tee hee

[Edison_Chen]

Nice choice! I was on a budget when I picked up the Corolla Hybrid, and if I had a little more room to play with, I would definitely consider the Rav 4 Hybrid or Camry Hybrid.

Right now, I'm racking in 4.2L/100km in all city Richmond driving, and a full tank of gas equates to 1050 km of range until empty.

My mom is also getting great fuel economy on her 19 RAV4 hybrid.. her car shows 5.9l and she has about 1600 Km and it’s mostly local driving and crossing Knight street bridge.

My dad also downsized from his Lexus RX350 down to a Corolla hyrbid too recently and it’s a big change from his v6.

[Koflach]

Not being picky, but you guys referring to kWh?

As in kilowatt per hour. KPH, I think stands for kilometres per hour, a measure of speed.

Just Saiyan..............

carry on carrying on.

When a tesla is charging it shows you how many kilometers you are adding to the car per hour so yeah, KPH is applicable.

[MG1]

When a tesla is charging it shows you how many kilometers you are adding to the car per hour so yeah, KPH is applicable.

https://www.revscene.net/forums/706431-electric-hybrid-car-thread-4.html#post8952830

[CorneringArtist]

Nice choice! I was on a budget when I picked up the Corolla Hybrid, and if I had a little more room to play with, I would definitely consider the Rav 4 Hybrid or Camry Hybrid.

Right now, I'm racking in 4.2L/100km in all city Richmond driving, and a full tank of gas equates to 1050 km of range until empty.

With the current climate in Vancouver for modified cars, and my legs failing from old sports injuries, I've moved on from driving a heatscore as a daily. I can probably do something more low key with a Rav and not stick out.

Have you given Entune a try yet? It seems to be serviceable until AA gets added on top of ACP.

[lilaznviper]

went to take a look at the new rav4 hybrid and liked how it drove and looked inside and out.
just put down a deposit on a rav4 hybrid. didn't know the wait for one was 5-6months. was lucky enough for the dealership to have a shipment of limited trim coming in with the color i wanted so wait now is about 2 months wait.

[J-Chow]

With the current climate in Vancouver for modified cars, and my legs failing from old sports injuries, I've moved on from driving a heatscore as a daily. I can probably do something more low key with a Rav and not stick out.

Have you given Entune a try yet? It seems to be serviceable until AA gets added on top of ACP.

Personally, I haven't touched Entune yet. The Corolla hybrid doesn't come with embedded navigation (not even top trim), and I've been using google maps with Bluetooth most of the time.

Although, I should try out the Entune scout GPS link...

[dark0821]

Pretty new to the electric car game, been thinking of adding a second vehicle to my fleet.

Currently I ride an e-bike to work, but since winter is coming up, I been thinking of getting a used Nissan Leaf, my commute to work is 5.1KM each way, so range anxiety wont be a concern, even in the few super cold days in the year.

Now I been looking at the 2012/2013 Nissan leafs (abt 70k to 80k on the odo) because they are hovering right around 10k mark. I know for most of them the battery warranty is about to expire, but realistically, is there anything I should really be worried about? Or watch out for?

I am looking to keep the car for the next 5 to 6 years, most likely putting less than 50k km in total.

What do you guys think?

[SumAznGuy]

Pretty new to the electric car game, been thinking of adding a second vehicle to my fleet.

Currently I ride an e-bike to work, but since winter is coming up, I been thinking of getting a used Nissan Leaf, my commute to work is 5.1KM each way, so range anxiety wont be a concern, even in the few super cold days in the year.

Now I been looking at the 2012/2013 Nissan leafs (abt 70k to 80k on the odo) because they are hovering right around 10k mark. I know for most of them the battery warranty is about to expire, but realistically, is there anything I should really be worried about? Or watch out for?

I am looking to keep the car for the next 5 to 6 years, most likely putting less than 50k km in total.

What do you guys think?

Where do you think you will be charging teh car?
I own an 18, so not sure what there is to look out for in a 12/13 but a place to charge it is very important thing to think about.

[MG1]

The older models suffer from battery degradation, big time.

Range and time it takes to charge changes so much. Good news is, Nissan has a battery upgrade programme. Not sure if it applies to your Leaf's year.

You definitely need a Level 2 charger at home. It requires 240 volt. Unless you don't mind plugging 110 V and waiting hours on end to have it charg super slow. If your Leaf has Level 3 (DC Fast Charge), then I guess you'll be spending time at the Superstores around the city. Damn, more EV's to compete with, gulolol.


If you do decide to go electric and you've really thought long and hard about it, at least ten times............ then get the Plug Share app and a few cards. You will need them at the charging stations. You can use the apps from your phone to activate the chargers, but there are times you have poor to no cell service. Cards are the best way to go. Much faster. I have most of them. ChargePoint, Flo, BC Hydro, and Greenlots. They cost ten bucks or so each, but worth it. Superstore chargers are free, for the most part, and don't require a card. A few do, however. I've been at this game for nearly five years. You really need to think about this. It is not for everybody. Did I mention you really, really need to think about this................

[MG1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATQEbd2Yh4

I feel like such a pioneer........... bought my first EV back in 2014. Very little to no charging stations like now. Range anxiety.......... nearly killed me. That's no longer the case. I'm looking at going with a Niro or a Kona full elective. The Soul EV that's coming out looks promising. I keep running into this guy who drives a Jaguar all elective. Damn, that thing is sexy as all hell. All we need is IG in the photoshoot, gulolol.

[TypeRNammer]

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/say-hello-to-the-production-version-of-the-honda-e/

Here's the production version of the Honda E, it kept the camera side mirrors.

Once again, not coming to the North American market :(

[punkwax]

^ major bummer.. I want one so bad.

[twitchyzero]

$45k for a civic? only type r owners fall for that :troll: range is sad too

it does look super fun though...rwd + crazy tight turning radius

[Manic!]

Elon wants to race Porsche on the ring.

https://thedriven.io/2019/09/06/elon-musk-challenges-porsche-with-tesla-model-s-at-nurburgring/

[Speed2K]

How about a Nismo Leaf?

https://global.nissannews.com/en/releases/nissan-unleashes-all-new-leaf-nismo-rc-electric-race-car?source=nng&lang=en-US

https://global.nissannews.com/releases/release-860852d7040eed420ffbaebb2243a330/images/ffc38f43d0792b8ed08bab216f2712ec6cf79025

[twitchyzero]

reminds me of prius super GT

http://www.zerotohundred.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/2016-toyota-prius-gt300-racecar-debuts-in-tokyo-as-otherworldly-as-expected-video-photo-gallery_4-700x394.jpg

[Manic!]

https://i.redd.it/l3l24di57dl31.jpg


Maybe get Toyota to join the fun? This is what EV cars need.

[twitchyzero]

will try the other thread

[BIC_BAWS]

I was talking to a colleague about using his Model 3 to go see a client in Langley (cause I don't wanna drive in rush hour and auto pilot would be cool). He declined cause he has to make sure he has enough charge.

Apparently all stratas in Richmond don't allow for electric car charging. Anyone else that lives with strata, have an issue with this?

[JDMDreams]

^^ I would like to know too, where are you guys charging or if you have to fight for chargers? If I live in a condo can I just plug it into the outlet next too my spot?:considered:

[Koflach]

^^ I would like to know too, where are you guys charging or if you have to fight for chargers? If I live in a condo can I just plug it into the outlet next too my spot?:considered:

Technically, yes you can. However, it will charge at a very slow rate.

I charge at home 95% of the time and the few times I haven't I didn't have to wait to charge.

I have seen someone park their Chevy Volt at the free charger at a community centre in Langley and get driven away by someone else so their car can charge for free.

[MG1]

There's really no need to fight for chargers if you work smart. If you bought an EV and cannot find charging, then you didn't think it through before buying one. I said this many times. Think about it before you decide. Think, think, think, then think some more. EV's are not for everyone. I own a house and installed a level 2 (240V) charger in the garage. I get a full charge from zero to 100% in 4 to 5 hours. On level 1 (110 volt), it takes 11 hours. On level 3 (DC Fast Charge 440 volt), I charge to 80% from zero in 25 to 30 minutes. I've never gone down to zero, so it usually take 15 to 20 minutes. You cannot have a level 3 charger in a residential or even a condo. It is very, very expensive, plus way too much voltage. A decent plug-in, level 2 charger can be had for $365.00 US. You just need a 240 dryer or stove outlet nearby. Most chargers that are plug-in type, come with a 25ft cord. Ideally, a hard wired charger is the best choice, but not necessary.

New condos in certain municipalities, by law, have to have level 2 chargers installed somewhere on the property, but if you live in an older one, you are shit out of luck. Most strata councils frown upon any kind of charging, even 110. Everything from being worried about cost to cause of fire. Even if there's proof it'll increase property value and appeal. Chargers and having to manage them in a fair manner is a more complicated matter than most are willing to spend their time on.

My son has an older EV that does not have a level 3 connector. He is stuck with level 2 or level 1. No problem when he used to live at home. He moved out and into a condo not that long ago. There's no charging allowed in the condo. Not even for electric bikes. Anyhow, there's no charger where he works, either. He is hooped as it takes five hours to charge the darn thing when he's down in three or so days. Solution? He comes home to charge. My EV has a level 3 connection, so when I'm in a good mood, I go charge the EV at one of the DC Fast Chargers and swap cars with him at his workplace. I drop mine off and take his back home. By the time he's finished work, his car is fully charged. On top of that, good ol' dad, makes him dinner. Why do I do this? I have an ulterior motive. IF he didn't need the charge, i would never see number one son. Like ever. Well, unless it's Xmas or a family BBQ. So this is a blessing for me.

In a nutshell, if you don't have a house or live in a condo with no charging allowed, don't get an electric car. If you're retired like me, then it is very doable. Charging stations are empty during the day, as most people are at work. There are plenty of free level 3 chargers out there, but they're busy, busy, busy in the afternoon and evenings. Line ups of three to four cars. More on this later.................

[MG1]

Technically, yes you can. However, it will charge at a very slow rate.

I charge at home 95% of the time and the few times I haven't I didn't have to wait to charge.

I have seen someone park their Chevy Volt at the free charger at a community centre in Langley and get driven away by someone else so their car can charge for free.

Yeah, happens at Grand Villa all the fucking time. There's this one Tesla bitch who gets picked up at night by his buddy and gets dropped off in the morning. His EV is charged overnight. Then there's this C-Lai who works up the street from Grand Villa. She parks and walks up the street to her workplace. She did this for months, until I reported her. Another freaking dumb thing is, the casino has a free shuttle service to and from the casino and Metrotown and Brentwood. Guess what, these assholes charge their car at Grand Villa while they shop at Brentwood or Metrotown. I don't bother charging there anymore, but there are people who really need to charge. Like out of towners. It's not fair. None of the cars charging there are doing it legit. Parq Casino does it right. If you don't gamble there, you don't get to charge or park in their lot for free. I do, so free charge works. Well, sometimes it costs me way more, lol.


Teslas take forever to charge on level 2. Anyway, I have my secret charging locations/stations. I'm doing fine.



Oh, I have gas cars, too............

[MG1]

While I'm in this thread, I might as well report on something I saw at the Coquitlam Superstore charger this morning. Actually, I saw the EV the night before, too, but it was way too busy and the driver couldn't wait for me to finish and the Kia Should that was after me in line, to start charging. It's a Mercedes Benz all electric SUV. Cot Dam, that thing was sweet. It'll make one wAnder why anyone would even consider a Tesla. It's called an EQC. Not even available here till next year. It's only available in Germany at the moment. Anyway, the driver was part of the research team testing out the charging capabilities of the beast of a machine. Did I tell you this thing was a beauty? It was down right sexy as all hell. The technology in it was amazing. Heads up display. A true one, not one of those cheesy ones you see in Kia's and Hyundai's. Split folding console and a gorgeous dash. None of this one screen monstrosity you see in Tesla's. This car was luxury at its best. Dude let me open the doors and see inside. I was scared to touch anything that luxurious. He was definitely proud of this car............ in the back was a rack full of electronics and sensing/recording devices. He was fine tuning stuff on a laptop. Anyway, I was late for Hard Rock Casino, so I had to go. I had a really nice conversation with the guy. It didn't occur to me to take any photos or videos. Okay, I snuck a walk around video in there, but won't upload or share, out of courtesy. The guy was genuinely a nice technician.

I've been seeing this one Jaguar all electric vehicle at the Marine Drive Superstore DC Fast Charger and I thought that was one nice looking car. This Mercedes is a whole nother level...........

[MG1]

At the Grandview Superstore using their fast charger. Nobody for over half an hour. I’m going right up to 100%, unless another EV shows up. I don’t want to be like some of the EV charger hogs out there. If you have an EV that uses the CCS system, it’s been down since yesterday. Bummer. Of the four years I’ve been doing the charging thing, it seems the CCS Combo plugs is by far, the most unreliable of the two. Everything from Proximity error to broken clips.

I’m looking at a Niro, Kona, or Soul with the 400+ range, but damn. They all use the CCS Combo connector. People are pretty rough when equipment doesn’t belong to them. Then they get all whiny when shit breaks. Maybe take extra care in putting the plug back into the holster or coil up the cable. People leave the cable all over the place - get run over and shit. The level 2 chargers in the Richmond mall where Walmart is, is a prime example. Take care of the equipment and it’ll take care of you. /sermon.

[Koflach]

While I'm in this thread, I might as well report on something I saw at the Coquitlam Superstore charger this morning. Actually, I saw the EV the night before, too, but it was way too busy and the driver couldn't wait for me to finish and the Kia Should that was after me in line, to start charging. It's a Mercedes Benz all electric SUV. Cot Dam, that thing was sweet. It'll make one wAnder why anyone would even consider a Tesla. It's called an EQC. Not even available here till next year. It's only available in Germany at the moment. Anyway, the driver was part of the research team testing out the charging capabilities of the beast of a machine. Did I tell you this thing was a beauty? It was down right sexy as all hell. The technology in it was amazing. Heads up display. A true one, not one of those cheesy ones you see in Kia's and Hyundai's. Split folding console and a gorgeous dash. None of this one screen monstrosity you see in Tesla's. This car was luxury at its best. Dude let me open the doors and see inside. I was scared to touch anything that luxurious. He was definitely proud of this car............ in the back was a rack full of electronics and sensing/recording devices. He was fine tuning stuff on a laptop. Anyway, I was late for Hard Rock Casino, so I had to go. I had a really nice conversation with the guy. It didn't occur to me to take any photos or videos. Okay, I snuck a walk around video in there, but won't upload or share, out of courtesy. The guy was genuinely a nice technician.

I've been seeing this one Jaguar all electric vehicle at the Marine Drive Superstore DC Fast Charger and I thought that was one nice looking car. This Mercedes is a whole nother level...........

The "one screen thing" is actually pretty awesome. I've been driving my model 3 for over a year now and it is really easy to get use to. That and the Model 3 is WAY less money than the EQC.

The EQC is a great looking vehicle in it's own right but it's not a competitor of the Model 3, it's more of a Model X competitor. The model X has a screen where your Speedo/Tach is and a screen in the centre. However, the EQC seems to have a leg up on the X in the luxury category. I still prefer the way Tesla get's rid of the physical buttons though, hopefully other manufacturers like MB can start to adopt this from Tesla.

[SumAznGuy]

I don't bother charging there anymore, but there are people who really need to charge. Like out of towners.


Funny story. YVR long term parking has a row of charge point lvl 2 chargers where the chargers can only be reached by one side. So if you park behind the chargers, the cable won't reach. And last time i was there, every charger was being used and when i came back, weekend trip, most still had the same cars charging. FailFish

[SumAznGuy]

Interesting. There are 4 free lvl 2 chargers at the Whole Foods in Burnaby.
2 of which has a sign that says for EV car use only. No hybrids.
Hybrid plug in cars must use the other 2 chargers.

I find that quite interesting.

[MG1]

Probably because they can run off gasoline. When a pure electric vehicle needs a charge, they need a charge. Don’t get me started on Outlander PHEV owners.

[SumAznGuy]

Probably because they can run off gasoline. When a pure electric vehicle needs a charge, they need a charge. Don’t get me started on Outlander PHEV owners.

I still wish the last gen of Rav4's came in a full electric.

Next time I see you, I'll bug you about the Outlander. curious to see what you have to say.

[MG1]

Just finished talking to a couple of BC Hydro technicians about the crappy charging station at the Coquitlam Superstore. They told me that their plan was to twin the existing station. They’re having issues getting the power requirement met, first. Now that all the new stations along the corridors throughout the Province have been completed, their plan is to twin all existing stations. :fuckyea:

The temporary charging unit at the Coquitlam Superstore is slower than molasses in the summertime. For my EV, it’s not an issue, however, EV’s with much higher capacity batteries, it’s really, really shitty. That affects me, because the lineups are longer.

[SumAznGuy]

Just finished talking to a couple of BC Hydro technicians about the crappy charging station at the Coquitlam Superstore. They told me that their plan was to twin the existing station. They’re having issues getting the power requirement met, first. Now that all the new stations along the corridors throughout the Province have been completed, their plan is to twin all existing stations. :fuckyea:

The temporary charging unit at the Coquitlam Superstore is slower than molasses in the summertime. For my EV, it’s not an issue, however, EV’s with much higher capacity batteries, it’s really, really shitty. That affects me, because the lineups are longer.

I didn't use it this summer, when did it become that slow?
I was going to go after work today for a quickie but now I might just skip it and go straight home.

[MG1]

The original station died and got temporarily replaced with a slow ass one. 25kW, but like Justin Trudeau, it’s not as advertised. The temporary one has been there for a very long time now. Anyway...........

[valent|n0]

spotted toyota mirai today.
Crazy to think that someone drop 70k plus for a technology that no guarantee will have an infrastructure to support it

[roastpuff]

spotted toyota mirai today.
Crazy to think that someone drop 70k plus for a technology that no guarantee will have an infrastructure to support it

Toyota Mirai (https://www.repo.com/listing/9914) here's a repo'd one haha.

[SFU_wmc]

spotted toyota mirai today.
Crazy to think that someone drop 70k plus for a technology that no guarantee will have an infrastructure to support it

The Mirai is $70k??? Can't even seem to spec it on Toyota's website.

Might as well buy a Hyundai Nexo at that price :heckno:

[MG1]

PSA: If anyone on here goes to the Superstore on Grandview Highway to charge their EV, beware of this driver of a black Kia Soul. It's black with a red roof. The rear window has a decal of two criss-crossed lacrosse sticks on it.

Do not approach the driver. She is certifiable. If the "%hinky, %hinky China Lady," woman had a twin sister, this woman would be her. In all the years I've been to public charging stations, she is definitely not the norm. There were two of us parked and waiting to charge. I talked to the driver of the car that was charging, soon after I arrived. He told me he was almost done and the other lady in the Soul was waiting. After the first driver left. I moved over one stall and got out to talk to the woman in the Soul. When I asked her how long she would be, she yelled, "None of your god damn business!" Then when I looked over to the display to see how much she had left to charge, she freaked out and snapped, "What the hell are you looking at??" She even attempted to cover the screen, lol.

I guess I'm getting old and just didn't have a comeback ready. What I should have said was, "Definitely not you, bitch." I mean, if the Oxford Dictionary used images to define the word "Butch," it would be her. She was one helluva miserable woman. One of those faces where a smile would not ever find its way. Just angry.

I immediately put up my hands in the air and went into the car, making sure not to make eye contact. At this point, I didn't care how long she was going to be. The signs on the premises read, maximum of 30 to 40 minutes of charging. I for sure thought she would be there for over an hour. Surprisingly she was there for maybe 35 minutes? Cray is a helluva thang. Incidents like this at a charging station are very, very rare. She must have had a really bad day. If I see that car charging there or anywhere again, I'm just going to drive on.

I feel sorry for this woman. Being angry and bitchy like that takes its toll on everybody. Her family and coworkers have to deal with her on a daily basis.

Anyway, you guys have been warned.

[Spoon]

spotted toyota mirai today.
Crazy to think that someone drop 70k plus for a technology that no guarantee will have an infrastructure to support it

Ballard bought a few to support their technology. I doubt they're happy with it with only one refueling station in the lower mainland. :lol

[twitchyzero]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q3fv_T8rMw

is it gonna have the doritos range extender?
door trim made of recycled plastic bottles hahaha

[Manic!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q3fv_T8rMw

is it gonna have the doritos range extender?
door trim made of recycled plastic bottles hahaha

That actually looks really good.




Something interesting.

A UK company is releasing a compact electric crate motor that makes 110 HP. measures 23.6 inches wide, 17.3 inches deep, 11.02 inches tall and weighs only 154 pounds. One of my buddies owns a smart car and has been thinking of going electric and this would be perfect paired with some refurb Prius batteries. Would also be a good fit for an older Civic.

https://jalopnik.com/finally-an-electric-crate-motor-you-can-drop-into-your-1839168140

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/rmxfydmm9nvzcxulccjc.png

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_470/xhsryfklyujimtgo4chk.png

[Speed2K]

PSA: If anyone on here goes to the Superstore on Grandview Highway to charge their EV, beware of this driver of a black Kia Soul. It's black with a red roof. The rear window has a decal of two criss-crossed lacrosse sticks on it.

Do not approach the driver. She is certifiable. If the "%hinky, %hinky China Lady," woman had a twin sister, this woman would be her. In all the years I've been to public charging stations, she is definitely not the norm. There were two of us parked and waiting to charge. I talked to the driver of the car that was charging, soon after I arrived. He told me he was almost done and the other lady in the Soul was waiting. After the first driver left. I moved over one stall and got out to talk to the woman in the Soul. When I asked her how long she would be, she yelled, "None of your god damn business!" Then when I looked over to the display to see how much she had left to charge, she freaked out and snapped, "What the hell are you looking at??" She even attempted to cover the screen, lol.

I guess I'm getting old and just didn't have a comeback ready. What I should have said was, "Definitely not you, bitch." I mean, if the Oxford Dictionary used images to define the word "Butch," it would be her. She was one helluva miserable woman. One of those faces where a smile would not ever find its way. Just angry.

I immediately put up my hands in the air and went into the car, making sure not to make eye contact. At this point, I didn't care how long she was going to be. The signs on the premises read, maximum of 30 to 40 minutes of charging. I for sure thought she would be there for over an hour. Surprisingly she was there for maybe 35 minutes? Cray is a helluva thang. Incidents like this at a charging station are very, very rare. She must have had a really bad day. If I see that car charging there or anywhere again, I'm just going to drive on.

I feel sorry for this woman. Being angry and bitchy like that takes its toll on everybody. Her family and coworkers have to deal with her on a daily basis.

Anyway, you guys have been warned.

I thought about your post when I read this in the Sun today.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/b-c-drivers-bicker-at-ev-charging-stations

[Traum]

It sounds to me like that as "green" as BC vehicle owners may seem like, their public charging ettiquette is severely lacking. That is unfortunate, but I am not the least bit surprised given how discourteous our drivers are on the road. FailFish

There are 2 "free" chargers at work here, and from what I've been told by my colleagues, user ettiquette are generally decent, although there will always be some discourteous person breaking the rules.

[Akinari]

Seriously considering leasing a UX250h F-Sport when the lease for my IS300/200t is up next summer. Took it for a test drive, was pleasantly surprised by how well the ride was.

I was expecting it to feel egregiously uninspiring and slow, but as a matter of fact, I actually liked the ride better than that of my current IS300 (much stiffer chassis translated into much lower NVH), and acceleration was brisk enough to not make me lament driving.

I think the UX250h F-Sport is as much as the gf is willing to compromise with me (she doesn't want a hybrid), otherwise I'd be looking into a Prius Prime :lawl:

[SumAznGuy]

It sounds to me like that as "green" as BC vehicle owners may seem like, their public charging ettiquette is severely lacking. That is unfortunate, but I am not the least bit surprised given how discourteous our drivers are on the road. FailFish

There are 2 "free" chargers at work here, and from what I've been told by my colleagues, user ettiquette are generally decent, although there will always be some discourteous person breaking the rules.

I was "one" of those ppl a few weeks back. Parked in long term parking at YVR with my car plugging into one of the chargers there.
In my defense, I would have moved my car, but I was in Chicago.

In seriousness, most of these issues would be easily solved by them not being "free" chargers, and more education about extending battery life. Most ppl grew up with ICE vehicles and treat owning an EV the same. Filling the "tank" to full when 80% is more than enough.

As for unplugging other ppls cars, I still have issues with that.

[Nvasion]

https://www.facebook.com/338044476535308/posts/1075298312809917/

[twitchyzero]

unless i'm in a pinch i would not expect to charge outside of my garage, at least not for another 5-10 years

yeah please dont touch my vehicle

bring on the wireless charging stalls/street parking :ilied:

Seriously considering leasing a UX250h F-Sport when the lease for my IS300/200t is up next summer. Took it for a test drive, was pleasantly surprised by how well the ride was.

I was expecting it to feel egregiously uninspiring and slow, but as a matter of fact, I actually liked the ride better than that of my current IS300 (much stiffer chassis translated into much lower NVH), and acceleration was brisk enough to not make me lament driving.

I think the UX250h F-Sport is as much as the gf is willing to compromise with me (she doesn't want a hybrid), otherwise I'd be looking into a Prius Prime :lawl:

if not hybrid just buy the rolla hatch...same car but cheaper interior/less NVH dampening

[Manic!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F28i1D1OJ5o

[Manic!]

After seening the top gear drag race Musk does a software update to bump HP by 50. Claims the Model S will now beat the Taycan.

https://electrek.co/2019/10/31/tesla-model-s-peak-power-increase-50hp-software-musk-beat-porsche-taycan/

[Hehe]

After seening the top gear drag race Musk does a software update to bump HP by 50. Claims the Model S will now beat the Taycan.

https://electrek.co/2019/10/31/tesla-model-s-peak-power-increase-50hp-software-musk-beat-porsche-taycan/

Quite frankly, I don't even understand why Elon cares. It's a car more than double the price... if Porsche were able to best it in something, just congrats them and wreck it the next time around and mock them that they still have all the other areas to work on.

@MG1
A proud owner of a Tesla Model 3 here too.

The one screen thing is a bit weird at first. But after a day or 2, you'd wonder why the other cars wouldn't do the same. It's like when one first used an iPhone coming from dumb phones... even the best of them, the experience on the iPhone is just so much better. Or maybe you are just too old to get used to the touchscreen gen. :fuckthatshit:

The most frequent used functions are still all there at the bottom of the screen as shortcuts. And for all the other stuff that you only use it once every decade (I swear there are buttons on my previous cars that I've never used them), why have a dedicated button/switch for it?

[Akinari]

if not hybrid just buy the rolla hatch...same car but cheaper interior/less NVH dampening
The overall styling of the hybrid Corolla is so depressing. Just looks bulbous with comically small wheels.

[CorneringArtist]

The overall styling of the hybrid Corolla is so depressing. Just looks bulbous with comically small wheels.

Take the wheel covers off, and it's the same alloy wheel from the Prius. Subjectively speaking, it looks better.

[Koflach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F28i1D1OJ5o

I'm curious as to why Top Gear wouldn't use launch control or ludicrous mode on the Tesla. They used launch control on the Porsche. Also, the S has a rated 0-60 of 2.4 seconds that has been confirmed many times in the real world so i'm unsure as to why they weren't able to replicate it in this test.

[Koflach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE9eJtG8jaU

[underscore]

Quite frankly, I don't even understand why Elon cares.

He lacks the ability to handle any minor slight to his ego. I'm surprised he isn't trying to sue someone or call them a pedophile over it.

[carisear]

Quite frankly, I don't even understand why Elon cares. It's a car more than double the price... if Porsche were able to best it in something, just congrats them and wreck it the next time around and mock them that they still have all the other areas to work on.

@MG1
A proud owner of a Tesla Model 3 here too.

The one screen thing is a bit weird at first. But after a day or 2, you'd wonder why the other cars wouldn't do the same. It's like when one first used an iPhone coming from dumb phones... even the best of them, the experience on the iPhone is just so much better. Or maybe you are just too old to get used to the touchscreen gen. :fuckthatshit:

The most frequent used functions are still all there at the bottom of the screen as shortcuts. And for all the other stuff that you only use it once every decade (I swear there are buttons on my previous cars that I've never used them), why have a dedicated button/switch for it?

i'd have to disagree with the one big touchscreen being better. i'm also a proud model 3 owner, but i would kill for a separate wiper stalk (even if the auto wipers were better, having quick access to them is so much easier)

long pressing the climate control to turn off and on is also annoying -- if you go over a bump your finger travels across the screen, and you have to look to see where to place your finger, and start over again. there's something to be said about a tactile feel for certain functions.

for the most part, its good, but it's not quite there yet for me to say that every car should be doing the same thing.

[Manic!]

Tesla is unveiling it's truck Nov 21. This is going to be big for Tesla and the automotive industry in general.

[Manic!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=126&v=6GSi_pGNN6E&feature=emb_title

Rivian R1T truck spotted on the island all the way in Ucluelet. I wonder how it got here.

https://www.teslaincanada.ca/news/rivian-r1t-electric-truck-spotted-on-vancouver-island/?fbclid=IwAR2qKCN4VrPqUeX0qHsDNsGQ_JILMIbLrNvd8IT4 Vuhb3udll8YRvSxaHKA

[JDMDreams]

For those who own an ev can you tell me more about how you charge it? At public stations? What does it cost? Or at home? And do you guys know how much roughly it costs in electricity? Do we have peak vs none peak hours? I will be having roughly a 80 km round trip commute for work and I'm seeing if it's worth the cost to go ev to get the hov sticker. Or get a sub compact vs hybrid vs diesel.

Thanks!

[SumAznGuy]

For those who own an ev can you tell me more about how you charge it? At public stations? What does it cost? Or at home? And do you guys know how much roughly it costs in electricity? Do we have peak vs none peak hours? I will be having roughly a 80 km round trip commute for work and I'm seeing if it's worth the cost to go ev to get the hov sticker. Or get a sub compact vs hybrid vs diesel.

Thanks!

Public charging depends on which charger you use.
For example, the fast charger at Superstore Metrotown charges per min.
The lvl 2 chargers at Metro are free.

The DCFC at the Coquitlam, Poco, and Vancouver Superstore are free but very busy.

I forgot what my cost was charging at home.

[SumAznGuy]

My suggestion is to download a couple of the charging apps.
I suggest Plugshare which shows most of the chargers in Vancouver.
Chargepoint, FLO, and Greenslots.
Most of Vancouvers chargers are either chargepoint or FLO and BC Hydro teamed up with Greenslots.

Take a look and see if there are any chargers close to where you live, where you work, and where you frequent the most.

To some ppl, it doesn't make sense to sit and wait for your car to charge. For me, I shop at superstore so if I get a free charge, it's no time wasted on my part.

I usually just plug in my car to the 120V outlet overnight and that gets me 30% charge on my 2018 leaf.

[Traum]

For those who own an ev can you tell me more about how you charge it? At public stations? What does it cost? Or at home? And do you guys know how much roughly it costs in electricity? Do we have peak vs none peak hours? I will be having roughly a 80 km round trip commute for work and I'm seeing if it's worth the cost to go ev to get the hov sticker. Or get a sub compact vs hybrid vs diesel.

Thanks!
We don't have peak vs non-peak hour rates with BC Hydro, but we do have a 2-tier pricing structure where you're charged the Step 1 rate for electricity up to a certain threshold in each billing period, and a higher Step 2 rate for all electricity use beyond that threshold.

For charging at home, you'll need to look into a bunch of additional things as well -- like how much current your home is drawing from the city, how big a current does your fuse panel support, the costs of installing a 220V line and outlet. etc. And if you use electric baseboard heating at home, that would dramatically affect your costs in the winter as well since you will almost certainly be going on the Step 2 price structure.

[JDMDreams]

^^ thanks, I'll look into the apps to see where the chargers are, I don't think I will sit around and wait for the car to charge on a daily commute unless I'm out to shop on the weekends

[Koflach]

For those who own an ev can you tell me more about how you charge it? At public stations? What does it cost? Or at home? And do you guys know how much roughly it costs in electricity? Do we have peak vs none peak hours? I will be having roughly a 80 km round trip commute for work and I'm seeing if it's worth the cost to go ev to get the hov sticker. Or get a sub compact vs hybrid vs diesel.

Thanks!

I have a Tesla and charge at home. I drive anywhere from 60-150km per day for work and just plug in when I need to at home. Over the last year i've only had to charge at a tesla charger about 5 times so if you have the ability to get a home charger installed, you will be just fine going that route.

[Manic!]

Forget cars Harbour Air to test its first electric plane Dec 11.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6236692/harbour-air-electric-aircraft-test/

A B.C. seaplane carrier is set to make history next month, as it tests the world’s first fully-electric commercial aircraft.

Harbour Air will test the seaplane, a De Havilland Beaver retrofitted with a magniX electric motor, on Wednesday, Dec. 11 — subject to weather.

And the company’s founder and CEO will be at the stick for the historic flight.

[JDMDreams]

I will be able to charge at home but I want to know what the cost will be. I'm surprised bc hydro website doesn't seem to have a calculator for this but random appliances.

[Koflach]

I will be able to charge at home but I want to know what the cost will be. I'm surprised bc hydro website doesn't seem to have a calculator for this but random appliances.

my neighbour wired it up for $100 (yes, he is an electrician). I think our bill went up about $40-$50/month.

[spacemanrick]

I have a 2019 Tesla model 3 performance model and assuming Level 2 BC Hydro electricity charge at 14 cents per kilowatt it costs me about 2.4 cents electricity per km driven in my model 3 or less than 20% of the gas cost to drive our 2017 Acura RDX.

[Hehe]

The math I used to trade in our mini:

It was doing about 25k km per year and averages 7.4L/100km and at a very conservative $1.5/L (this thing needed premium), I was paying 2775 in gas per year. Then plus all the maintenance and whatnot which I estimate at again conservative $600 per year over 10yr ownership. So 3375 per year.

With the model 3, I think 170wh/km is a good figure (again, I've done a lot lower, but just to be conservative), so 4250kwh per year and at 14cents, that's 595, add another 20% for lost efficiency. Plus it requires much less maintenance, say 150/yr (if that) average over same 10yr ownership, my yearly is ~850. Even if I bump up the maintenance cost somehow... it's still about a 1/3 of what I was spending on the Mini.

That's when I decided... fuck it... I'm buying the Model3. And not even in a bad way of "fuck it"... couldn't be happier about the decision.

[asian_XL]

I never do the math, I just bought it, but me a performance model...lol

[SumAznGuy]

Just wanted to share my experience with my MY18 Leaf.
When I first picked up the car, Aug 18, the car would show 265 km range when fully charged with the eco tires.
This summer, I switched over the Bridgestone RE71R tires and the range dropped to around 254 kms with them pumped up to 45 PSI's.
Now, as the temps have dropped, and I have been using the heat more, the range dropped to 233 and 217 with the heater on.
This morning, the range showed 223 and 201 with the heat on and the tires have dropped to 42 PSI hot.
I'll be switching over to snow tires tonight, can't wait to see what my range looks like after a few days of driving on the snow tires.

[Hehe]

Just wanted to share my experience with my MY18 Leaf.
When I first picked up the car, Aug 18, the car would show 265 km range when fully charged with the eco tires.
This summer, I switched over the Bridgestone RE71R tires and the range dropped to around 254 kms with them pumped up to 45 PSI's.
Now, as the temps have dropped, and I have been using the heat more, the range dropped to 233 and 217 with the heater on.
This morning, the range showed 223 and 201 with the heat on and the tires have dropped to 42 PSI hot.
I'll be switching over to snow tires tonight, can't wait to see what my range looks like after a few days of driving on the snow tires.

If anything, the range is going to drop further because snows are stickier than regular tires.

One recommendation to optimize range in cold weather is try to keep it warm as in leaving the car indoor/covered as much as you possibly can. The constant heating the car up takes huge amount of energy. By keeping the car in a covered parking, even if it only brings a few degrees of difference, it saves tons of power heating the car up again.

Alternatively, try to make more efficient trips... so, try to not go a place, stop the car for a while, go another, leave the car for a while again. Because you are constantly leaving the car to cool and make it to warm up again. Instead, go to a single place where you can get many things done there.

[J-Chow]

I noticed this on my 2020 Corolla Hybrid. When I first picked up the vehicle in May 2019, I was consistently getting 4.2L/100km , which equates to 1000 km range.

Now that the temperature has dropped, and it takes longer to warm up the engine, I've seen my MPG change to 5.5L / 100km, which equates to 850km range.

Drastic change I'd say.

[nabs]

Me and the wife are heavily considering a Tesla 3 over the next couple months. I can say for sure that our next vehicle will be an electric. I gotta figure out the strata stuff with the charging station etc.

I want to take advantage of all the incentives offered right now too.

[JDMDreams]

^^ same, I'm on the fence about going full electric or phev. But then the plug in rav 4 is still a while away and I think it might be in model 3 price range?

[SumAznGuy]

Me and the wife are heavily considering a Tesla 3 over the next couple months. I can say for sure that our next vehicle will be an electric. I gotta figure out the strata stuff with the charging station etc.

I want to take advantage of all the incentives offered right now too.

This is key. So far, a lot of strata's are old school and refuse to allow EV charging in the common areas and won't allow ppl to put in their own EV chargers.

[SumAznGuy]

If anything, the range is going to drop further because snows are stickier than regular tires.

One recommendation to optimize range in cold weather is try to keep it warm as in leaving the car indoor/covered as much as you possibly can. The constant heating the car up takes huge amount of energy. By keeping the car in a covered parking, even if it only brings a few degrees of difference, it saves tons of power heating the car up again.

Alternatively, try to make more efficient trips... so, try to not go a place, stop the car for a while, go another, leave the car for a while again. Because you are constantly leaving the car to cool and make it to warm up again. Instead, go to a single place where you can get many things done there.

It will be interesting to see because my RE71R's are very soft in the summer and they were shorter diameter by a hair compared to the ECO tires and my range only dropped about 5%.
I suspect my range might improve with the snow tires as less friction (less contact patch) but the cold temps is really hurting the batteries efficiency.

I'm using the butt warmers and heated steering wheel so not a lot of energy is being used to heat the cabin.

[Hehe]

Me and the wife are heavily considering a Tesla 3 over the next couple months. I can say for sure that our next vehicle will be an electric. I gotta figure out the strata stuff with the charging station etc.

I want to take advantage of all the incentives offered right now too.

Not sure about your strata, the one my friend is in actually has an outlet running to every other spot. And they retrofit the regular plug to NEMA 14-50 for anyone looking to go EV for a small fee (like a few hundred).

If your garage already have plugs (each linked directly to tenants own meter), that might be the way to go. You can get the plug adapter for the Tesla charger that comes with car for like $50 or less. And on a SR+ M3, it charges at 32amps@220v or roughly 50km for an hour of charging.

[Jmac]

Not an EV, but I get about 8.3-8.4 L/100 km with my all season tires and 8.7-8.8 L/100 km with my winter tires. Logged every month since 2015. Surprisingly consistent.

[CorneringArtist]

I noticed this on my 2020 Corolla Hybrid. When I first picked up the vehicle in May 2019, I was consistently getting 4.2L/100km , which equates to 1000 km range.

Now that the temperature has dropped, and it takes longer to warm up the engine, I've seen my MPG change to 5.5L / 100km, which equates to 850km range.

Drastic change I'd say.

Drops like these are expected in the winter. I've gone from 5.5 to 6.5, however other factors that may affect the gas engine running in addition to requiring warm up is the use of accessories like the front/rear defog. A/C compressor runs on the front, and for some reason to power the rear defrost it cycles the engine longer.

[nabs]

This is key. So far, a lot of strata's are old school and refuse to allow EV charging in the common areas and won't allow ppl to put in their own EV chargers.

I'm in a fairly new building. I want to see what they say. It's kind of dumb to limit people, especially if the tenant would be paying for the infrastructure that could be extended when others decide to get EV's in the future.

[!LittleDragon]

Drops like these are expected in the winter. I've gone from 5.5 to 6.5, however other factors that may affect the gas engine running in addition to requiring warm up is the use of accessories like the front/rear defog. A/C compressor runs on the front, and for some reason to power the rear defrost it cycles the engine longer.

Winter blend fuel is also less energy dense.

[Bender Unit]

Anyone install a EV charger in their own Garage ?
What's the cost ??

[Hehe]

Anyone install a EV charger in their own Garage ?
What's the cost ??

It depends on your panel location and what kind of charger you need.

I installed a NEMA 14-50 plug in the garage for $300 (labor+parts) to run from the panel to where I want the plug to be (panel's also in the garage, but about a good 6-8fts away) with a 50amp breaker.

When I inquired if I wanted to put the Tesla wall charger, the tech quoted me about 500 (labor and parts, but wall charger is extra) with a 80amp breaker (which is the max he'd suggest after doing a load calculation)

[Koflach]

Anyone install a EV charger in their own Garage ?
What's the cost ??

My neighbour who is an electrician did it for $100 in parts. It took him about an hour to do as the fuse panel was on the other side of the garage from the plug I had installed. I am just using the charger that came with the car so i'm not sure how much extra (if any) it would have cost for the Wall Charger.

[Manic!]

Petrocan has completed it's electric highway project. They now have 50 charging stations across Canada so you can drive across Canada.

https://www.pumptalk.ca/ev-and-ev-charging/

Canada’s Electric Highway™ covers 6300 km. The maximum distance between charging stations is 250 km, and on average it is 150 km between stations. Each site features DC fast chargers with both CHAdeMO and CCS/SAE connectors, which support a broad selection of vehicles. The chargers can provide up to a 200 kilowatt charge – enough to provide an 80 per cent charge to most EVs in less than 30 minutes. The units are also capable of 350 kilowatt charging with future upgrades.

[Badhobz]

Question for all the guys here with autopilot. Can it drive itself in the city ? Or twisty roads or in the rain ? I’m asking because the wife is interested in getting it IF it’s able to automatically drive itself on west Vancouver’s marine drive. That street going to horseshoe bay is twisty and narrow and she hates driving it.

[Hondaracer]

Question for all the guys here with autopilot. Can it drive itself in the city ? Or twisty roads or in the rain ? I’m asking because the wife is interested in getting it IF it’s able to automatically drive itself on west Vancouver’s marine drive. That street going to horseshoe bay is twisty and narrow and she hates driving it.

Probably best to not drive it at all as opposed to killing Somone on autopilot..

Scared to drive a twisty/narrow road...let the car do it instead..:rukidding:

[whitev70r]

Electric vehicles are supposed to be green, but the truth is a bit murkier

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/ev-electric-vehicle-carbon-footprint-1.5394126

Some EV batteries today pack 10 times as much power as an average household uses in a day. And often, those electric vehicles are being charged at home.

Most of the electricity generated by North American grids has some greenhouse gas emissions connected to it. So even if a car isn't belching carbon, it doesn't mean it's perfectly clean.

For instance, coal is about the dirtiest way to generate electricity to recharge a car battery. Powering an EV with electricity generated from coal is marginally better than burning gasoline in an internal-combustion engine, according to numbers compiled by Jennifer Dunn at Northwestern University's Center for Engineering Sustainability and Resilience.
Most North American grids are composed of a mix of generating sources, from coal to hydro to nuclear, though Canada has pledged to eliminate coal-burning plants by 2030.

It's only when electricity comes from clean, renewable sources like wind and solar that you see the most pronounced drop in EV emissions generated to power the car.

Before an electric vehicle even charges for the first time, however, one key part of its power system already has a significant carbon footprint.

"For example, the material that helps power the battery is produced from a number of different metals, things like nickel and cobalt and lithium."

Mining and processing the minerals, plus the battery manufacturing process, involve substantial emissions of carbon.

Lithium mining, needed to build the lithium ion batteries at the heart of today's EVs, has also been connected to other kinds of environmental harm. There have been mass fish kills related to lithium mining in Tibet, for example. The freshwater supply is being consumed by mines in South America's lithium-rich region. Even in North America, where mining regulations are strict, harsh chemicals are used to extract the valuable metal.

And all the operations are energy intensive, sometimes running on diesel generators and relying on carbon-emitting heavy machinery.

[hud 91gt]

^ is that news? I thought we all knew this. Lol Until energy production is truly green (most likely nuclear Id they can figure that out), EVs are a pipe dream for an environmentalist. They offer good performance, and for the time being cost efficient transportation (until energy costs sky rocket). But they are by no means, “green.” Just a way for us to spend our money and keep the economy rolling.

[Jmac]

Most of the studies only look at CO2-equivalent GHG emissions, but when you factor in other environmental pollutants like NOx, SO2, and fine particulate matter, it’s not even close to a modern internal combustion engine with modern emission controls.

Alberta, for example, has limits of:
0.8 kg/MWh for SO2, 0.69 kg/MWh of NOx, and 0.095 kg/MWh of PM2.5 on NEW power generating units, but existing infrastructure is allowed to operate until it’s 50 years old, so some plants will still be allowed to operate until the 2040s (under existing legislation) and those plants were built with much less stringent environmental regulations.

Meanwhile, a modern gasoline ICE engine has limits of 0 SO2, 3 mg/mile PM2.5, 125 mg/mile NMOG+NOx for Tier 3 bin 125 (which is the most common emissions standard for passenger vehicles).

If one assumes 400 hours of operation per year and 12000 miles per year (average 30 MPH/50 km/h) and average 40 hp (0.029828 MW) = 11.9312 MWh per year, 0.036 kg/year of PM2.5, 1.5 kg/year of NMOG+NOx

That’s 0 kg/MWh of SO2, 0.003 kg/MWh of PM2.5, and 0.126 kg/MWh of NMOG+NOx compared to 0.8, 0.095, and 0.69 respectively for NEW (not existing) coal-fired plants. 32x higher PM2.5 output and at least 5.5x higher NOx output per MWh

[Koflach]

Question for all the guys here with autopilot. Can it drive itself in the city ? Or twisty roads or in the rain ? I’m asking because the wife is interested in getting it IF it’s able to automatically drive itself on west Vancouver’s marine drive. That street going to horseshoe bay is twisty and narrow and she hates driving it.

I would suggest not letting your wife drive at all.

[Koflach]

Electric vehicles are supposed to be green, but the truth is a bit murkier

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/ev-electric-vehicle-carbon-footprint-1.5394126

Some EV batteries today pack 10 times as much power as an average household uses in a day. And often, those electric vehicles are being charged at home.

Most of the electricity generated by North American grids has some greenhouse gas emissions connected to it. So even if a car isn't belching carbon, it doesn't mean it's perfectly clean.

For instance, coal is about the dirtiest way to generate electricity to recharge a car battery. Powering an EV with electricity generated from coal is marginally better than burning gasoline in an internal-combustion engine, according to numbers compiled by Jennifer Dunn at Northwestern University's Center for Engineering Sustainability and Resilience.
Most North American grids are composed of a mix of generating sources, from coal to hydro to nuclear, though Canada has pledged to eliminate coal-burning plants by 2030.

It's only when electricity comes from clean, renewable sources like wind and solar that you see the most pronounced drop in EV emissions generated to power the car.

Before an electric vehicle even charges for the first time, however, one key part of its power system already has a significant carbon footprint.

"For example, the material that helps power the battery is produced from a number of different metals, things like nickel and cobalt and lithium."

Mining and processing the minerals, plus the battery manufacturing process, involve substantial emissions of carbon.

Lithium mining, needed to build the lithium ion batteries at the heart of today's EVs, has also been connected to other kinds of environmental harm. There have been mass fish kills related to lithium mining in Tibet, for example. The freshwater supply is being consumed by mines in South America's lithium-rich region. Even in North America, where mining regulations are strict, harsh chemicals are used to extract the valuable metal.

And all the operations are energy intensive, sometimes running on diesel generators and relying on carbon-emitting heavy machinery.

It's a good thing that our electricity comes from hyrdo electric dams then.

[Jmac]

It's a good thing that our electricity comes from hyrdo electric dams then.
Most of what we produce is from hydroelectric, but BC Hydro also purchases substantial amounts of energy from Alberta and Washington at night as brought up by the Green Party in the legislature.

[SumAznGuy]

Question for all the guys here with autopilot. Can it drive itself in the city ? Or twisty roads or in the rain ? I’m asking because the wife is interested in getting it IF it’s able to automatically drive itself on west Vancouver’s marine drive. That street going to horseshoe bay is twisty and narrow and she hates driving it.

Serious answer, no. They use camera and radar technology and in bad weather or low light, the cameras cannot pickup the lines, thus has trouble staying within the lines.

[Badhobz]

I just thought it would aid in her ability to drive that road. She occasionally clips the center meridian and it scares the shit outta me. One of these days while visiting her West van friend she’s gonna meet somebody just like her and both of them will end up in a head on collision.

[underscore]

Drivers Ed might be a better investment than a new vehicle. If she's bad now imagine how bad she'd be if the system can't do it and she has to take over after not having done it for months.

[SumAznGuy]

I just thought it would aid in her ability to drive that road. She occasionally clips the center meridian and it scares the shit outta me. One of these days while visiting her West van friend she’s gonna meet somebody just like her and both of them will end up in a head on collision.

Just for reference, here is what my drive to work was like.
6:30 am, hwy 1 and it is like a monsoon with lots of water on the road.
The adapative cruise turned off the assisted steering because of the water on the road, the camera's could figure out where the lines were.
After a while, with the heavy rain, the front radar turned off as it couldn't differeniate rain from other cars.

Now I have good old fashioned cruise control where I have to steer and brake to avoid rear ending the person in front of me.

[yray]

and since BC decided to use road paint without glass beads, cameras can't see shit

[snowball]

Drivers Ed might be a better investment than a new vehicle. If she's bad now imagine how bad she'd be if the system can't do it and she has to take over after not having done it for months.

or.. racing school! hit the apex and use those curbs

[Hehe]

Serious answer, no. They use camera and radar technology and in bad weather or low light, the cameras cannot pickup the lines, thus has trouble staying within the lines.

I have both AP and FSD, but from my own experience, the car never had problem keeping the lanes. The only thing that gets disabled in bad weather is navigate on autopilot.

Nevertheless, the lane/speed keeping (basically just the AP) has always worked for me.

[SumAznGuy]

I have both AP and FSD, but from my own experience, the car never had problem keeping the lanes. The only thing that gets disabled in bad weather is navigate on autopilot.

Nevertheless, the lane/speed keeping (basically just the AP) has always worked for me.

Impressive. Sorry, but I am going to assume this is on a Model 3?

[twitchyzero]

this Model X failed to pick up the well-defined double-solid yellow on a good day

https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/ac834a2b-accidents-tesla-model-x-autopilot-fail.gif

[!LittleDragon]

It's a good thing that our electricity comes from hyrdo electric dams then.

Actually, we have a number of waste to energy plants in BC. We burn garbage and recyclable materials for energy.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/environment/waste-management/garbage/waste-to-energy

There's one in Burnaby... https://www.covanta.com/Our-Facilities/Covanta-Burnaby

The plastics that came back from the Philippines... we burned it for energy..

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/waste-to-energy-plant-in-b-c-to-handle-disputed-garbage-from-philippines-1.4436639

[!LittleDragon]

Question for all the guys here with autopilot. Can it drive itself in the city ? Or twisty roads or in the rain ? I’m asking because the wife is interested in getting it IF it’s able to automatically drive itself on west Vancouver’s marine drive. That street going to horseshoe bay is twisty and narrow and she hates driving it.

If what she's driving now is compatible with OpenPilot, I suggest checking it out. I installed it on my Genesis a few months ago and I use it daily.

[Badhobz]

Thanks little dragon !! I’ll take a look.

[bcedhk]

anyone here has or knows of someone with an early model e-golf (2015-2016)?

Looking to get an urban commuter and I've been seeing a few for sale from dealerships at an affordable price.

Also, any tips to get the strata to approve installing EV chargers in the residential lot? Or is it an uphill process?

[SumAznGuy]

any tips to get the strata to approve installing EV chargers in the residential lot? Or is it an uphill process?

A lot has to do with your building and the people on the strata.

Some strata's are more forward thinking and are willing to work with owners while other strata's are bullish with the idea of using common electricity to charge an owner's car.

I assume you own, in which case, your best bet is to attend a strata meeting and bring up the idea. Be prepared to pay some monthly fee if they are willing to let you charge your car.

My last strata and current strata put up signs saying no EV car charging in the common area and were completely against EV car charging.

[hud 91gt]

The best way to get through to them would be to put together a proposal with all the associated data. Your going to have to take into account electricity costs, average battery capacity etc. A strata filled with elderly people won’t like change, especially if it’s going to cost them money without benefit.

[68style]

Mine recently put in 2-3 spots for charging but you have to pay a nominal fee... it was a pretty simple process and they were all onboard with it, I think they looked at it as generating a profit in the future.

[Hondaracer]

I’m all for building improvements but if I still lived in a strata building there’s no way in hell I would vote for more than a handful of pay-per-use stalls.

Adding dozens of chargers would require so much infastrucurre work to benefit the few that could afford an EV, you would never see your return on investment. I really don’t think it would have much bearing at all on resale value etc. And I’m sure people would be ingnorant af with their charging etiquette

[68style]

Yah I guess our complex was fortunate in that we had a tonne of visitor spots so putting a couple charging things in to 2 of them didn't really matter, but a DT Vancouver place would be cutting already limited resources to make this happen.

Also I believe 2 out of 5 people on my council actually have electric cars, so that's another reason they did this so quickly. I know one of them actually appropriated a standard outlet on a pole next to their spot putting a plastic case and lock on it so no one else could pull their charger thing out... not sure how they were able to get away with that.

[SumAznGuy]

I’m all for building improvements but if I still lived in a strata building there’s no way in hell I would vote for more than a handful of pay-per-use stalls.

Adding dozens of chargers would require so much infastrucurre work to benefit the few that could afford an EV, you would never see your return on investment. I really don’t think it would have much bearing at all on resale value etc. And I’m sure people would be ingnorant af with their charging etiquette

Honestly, I don't see how they would recoup the cost of putting in the chargers unless city by-laws mandate them being built as part of new builds.

The last part is the most important. You are going to have ppl leaving their cars plugged in over night and that means the other ppl who have EV's can't charge their cars or other owners will be pissed cause ppl with EV's are parked in visitors.

I've heard of some of the newer builds that have 240V plugs built into every parking stall (mounted in the ceiling)

[bcedhk]

Thanks for the input. One of my suggestions was to ask the commercial tenants to cost-share the installation of an EV charger in their commercial parking stalls. I hope if they will be more receptive of these "green initiatives"

[BIC_BAWS]

I’m asking because the wife is interested in getting it IF it’s able to automatically drive itself on west Vancouver’s marine drive. That street going to horseshoe bay is twisty and narrow and she hates driving it.

That road is a great drive tho!

[Koflach]

I'm surprised nobody has posted about the Sony Playstation Car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxhjKExMrD0

[Hehe]

It wouldn't surprise me if Sony partners with some manufacturers to actually bring the Vision S to fruition.

Sony has pretty much all the know-hows that are considered crucial to an EV.

But I think the bigger point in the grand scheme of things is the very point why Dyson called it quit on the EV: too little of a barrier of entry.

EVs really ARE computers on wheels. We already have the Apple equivalent in the field: Tesla. Firstmover and the "cool kid" on the block. Now we'd just wait and see who will become the Android.

If any major car or electronic giant step up and bring a GREAT skateboard template, we might see a major shift of the car industry where a lot of small firms would design cars while using a common platform... not all that different to what cellphone industry is today.

And don't be surprised that the current major players in the field cease to matter in the future. Think about it... the major phone players from the late 90s to mid 00s: Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Blackberry, Motorola... etc. They are all in the "others" now when it comes to phone marketshare.

[Traum]

Not negating any of what Hehe has said above, and I like the iPhone vs Android analogy that you are drawing, but I'd say one crucial aspect that has not been taken into account is how much more complex and process-intensive the automotive manufacturing sector is compared to almost pretty much anything else.

Existing auto manufacturers are exceedingly efficient in their manufacturing operations -- they have to be, or they'll be out of business. By comparison, you can see how completely inadequate Tesla is in this regard. Building cars in an outdoor tent that is hastily set up?

And this isn't about building something that retails for $1000. I don't know what the manufacturing cost of building a car is, but it is definitely way higher than making phones. If you screw up something, you are losing big $$$ with each and every vehicle you build, so that adds up fast.

The way I see it is, EVs really need a thorough marrying of 2 entities -- the electronics / computer aspect, as well as the traditional auto manufacturing aspect. It's gonna take too long for just 1 side to figure it out on their own. IMO, the traditional manufacturing sector has a slight advantage because they already have the expertise that costs significantly more to develop, hone, and perfect. VWAG and Toyota, in particular, seem like they are far ahead of the rest of the pack in coming out with viable EVs.

The Taycan does not suck because VW didn't know how to build a proper EV. IMO, Porsche just chose to spec the Taycan that way because they have certain priorities in mind regarding long term support of their vehicles -- ie. the Taycan is only doing maybe 70 - 80% of what it is really totally capable of because it wants to guarantee a certain level of performance. Tesla is taking a different approach by opening everything up so you get access to nearly 100% of what the car is able to do now, but it is offering less guarantees on other aspects that support the vehicle's on-going operations.

[Hehe]

I get what you are saying.

Of course... not that any Joe6packs can start an EV company.

But what I'm referring is, building EV that can move actually has a closer relationship to building a Mini4WD (this was for my childhood... I learned crapload of basic electrical/mechanical knowledge modding that shit at the age of 6/7... yeah, I'm old now) vs. building a car. A regular car, even just a very basic one that can barely move, needs expertise in many many engineering fields because there are a lot of consideration that goes into an ICE car.

Thus, assuming an electronic giant build a decent platform, it's not hard for a startup to get into the game. Much like how companies like Xiaomi, or many Chinese phone startups were able to make their own phone. They took a reference design from Mediatek or Qualcomm, added their own touches... and voila. New phone!

[twitchyzero]

that sony on wheels is useless without miniDisc/Betamax player in the centre console, dualshock in the wheel and zeiss glass for the LED projectors

[dark0821]

that sony on wheels is useless without miniDisc/Betamax player in the centre console, dualshock in the wheel and zeiss glass for the LED projectors

Don't forget the cybershot for the rear and side mirror cameras....

Thanks for that statement man... shit everything came back... with the highschool memory of W810i then finally moving onto the ultimate w900i...

was never baller enough to afford the Sharp SH903....

[MG1]

I keep disinfectant wipes in the car. I wipe the plug, touch screen, and cable at each location I charge at. Man, those touch screens are filthy as fuck.

[underscore]

Make sure the wipes are actually disinfecting wipes, and follow the directions on them to make sure they're effective. It seems like most of them either don't actually clean things or you'll need to use a bunch of them because you have to keep the surface wet for 10mins.

[MG1]

The Lysol ones are soaking wet like a horny toad.

Two of them. I leave it on the nozzle for putting it back into the holster when done.

[MG1]

Did not know there was a level three fast charge station at Queen’s Park in New West. Two separate FLO chargers. Free charging, but need FLO card. It’s located by the skate park and across the baseball stadium. At least it looks like one. I can’t remember the last time I’ve been here. Watch lacrosse and music festivals some 40 years ago. 50kWh stations. Good enough for my little EV.

[cafe22]

Anyone here with experience on the process to get Strata and the Property Manager to approve level 1or 2 charging in the common property parking lot?

Looking for tips and bylaw examples to help guide them through the process.

[GLOW]

doesn't it get brought up at say an AGM and voted on?

I know my friend's condo had a great promo deal offered a while back, super cheap, and it kept getting voted down by people that don't have EV's and didn't want it. They weren't convinced it would add value to their condo :fulloffuck:

[cafe22]

I’m trying to get the bylaw pass through a SGM since the AGM won’t be until end of this year

[TypeRNammer]

https://youtu.be/cuuT2hXB1Ok

Forbidden fruit, but a car like this would definitely suit Vancouver.

[cafe22]

Anyone here a strata lawyer, insurance broker or PM here?

Question: Does amending the bylaw to allow for level 1 charging in the residential parkade (limited common property) affect the strata insurance liability?

[Traum]

Anyone here a strata lawyer, insurance broker or PM here?

Question: Does amending the bylaw to allow for level 1 charging in the residential parkade (limited common property) affect the strata insurance liability?
Wouldn't it be the easiest for you to obtain a copy of the strata insurance policy, and contact the insurance broker to find out?

As a resident in the strata property, I'm sure you're entitled to obtain the terms of the insurance policy through the strata (although you may have to pay a small doc fee).

[Akinari]

MotorTrend revealed that Honda filed the CR-Z trademark on July 29 in the US.

Might not mean anything, but it does mean that there's a chance it's returning, which is exciting considering the advancements in hybrid/electric technology over the last few years. If Honda can stick 160/170hp combined power in a stiff modern chassis, still the same 2-seater hatchback formula with a 6spd, this will be so much fun.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/honda-cr-z-trademark-details-info/

[MG1]

Threads been dead for a while, so here's something new........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bxwQeKhYXQ

So weird to hear............. nothing except tires and that sweet whine sound.

Still, only 7.52 seconds at the 1320 mark.

My buddy who's at the track all the time (lives there) does 6 second runs the old fashioned way. Can't beat the smell and sounds, I tell ya.


SO, you Toyota Camry guys, check out this link...........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toURS5_8kXM

Not the fastest Camry.......... DHL sponsored funny car is faster.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=34&v=yRn950VOJ-Q&feature=emb_title

[!LittleDragon]

That was like... rather boring... lol... I tried watching Formula E, I had to check if my TV was on mute.

[MG1]

Battery Day was today? Million mile battery.

I hope it lives up to the hype.

I'm so looking forward to the Cybertruck. Two year wait. Pyramid on wheels, lol.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5-w5xLfrkU

[MG1]

Not much talk about charging stations anymore........


Coquitlam just upgraded theirs to a dual FLO fast chargers and so did the Grandview and Rupert location. My favourite is still the Homer Street fast chargers. Metrotown chargers are now pay stations. Funny thing is, place is now empty at times. I hit the Queen's Park fast chargers every now and then (also two stations). There's a pair of level two chargers a block or so away at the Rose Garden in Queen's Park. There's a pair of Clipper Creek level 2 chargers on Third (same street the fast chargers are at) on Sixth. Can't remember street or avenue. Anyway, lots of chargers to choose from nowadays.

[MG1]

https://clippercreek.activehosted.com/index.php?action=social&chash=32bb90e8976aab5298d5da10fe66f21d.210&

I have two of their plug in chargers. One for home and one for work, when I worked. They are one of the best one's to get. I got the 16A ones. Don't need the high power ones.

Made in the US of A and rock solid.


Their above sale prices are for US customers only, but still their regular prices are very affordable. When the borders were still open, I would have it shipped to Blaine and bring it across with no duties. I ask them to send the declaration papers and they did it without hesitation. Lots of Canadian customers order from them. At first they will tell you to purchase their chargers through Sun Country here in Canada, because the chargers are made by them, but their prices are like in the 800 to 1000 bucks range. No thanks. Shipping and exchange doesn't come close to making up the difference. Anyway, shipping via courier with all fees included is best way, I assume.

There's nothing like having a charger at home. I charge for free at the public charging stations most of the time, but when you really need it, it comes in hella handy. Plus, there will come a time when all public chargers will be pay stations.

[SumAznGuy]

There's nothing like having a charger at home. I charge for free at the public charging stations most of the time, but when you really need it, it comes in hella handy. Plus, there will come a time when all public chargers will be pay stations.

Yeah, most people need to understand this. I've been riding my motorcycle to work since the weather has been nice. Using home 120V to charge my car, hence why you haven't seen me around.

In a week or so when we get constant rain, I might be hanging out at the chargers again.

There is definite a lot more lvl 2 chargers around which is nice.

[Gh0stRider]

Not much talk about charging stations anymore........


Coquitlam just upgraded theirs to a dual FLO fast chargers and so did the Grandview and Rupert location. My favourite is still the Homer Street fast chargers. Metrotown chargers are now pay stations. Funny thing is, place is now empty at times. I hit the Queen's Park fast chargers every now and then (also two stations). There's a pair of level two chargers a block or so away at the Rose Garden in Queen's Park. There's a pair of Clipper Creek level 2 chargers on Third (same street the fast chargers are at) on Sixth. Can't remember street or avenue. Anyway, lots of chargers to choose from nowadays.

Ya, Coquitlam City Hall use to be taken all the time until it got changed to Pay.
FLO added to Blue Mtn Park, 4 spots. I only ever see one vehicle using it.

[JDMDreams]

Common Pst cancellation, daddy needs a new Tesla :alone: I can finally join the RS Tesla, Type R club

[MG1]

I heard about the recall of Chevy Bolts not that long ago. I met a few Bolt owners today at the charging stations. They told me it's not just Bolts.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34672772/chevrolet-bolt-ev-recall-battery/

Hyundai uses Samsung batteries. They mentioned some Tesla's were recalled. I can't believe that one. Any truth?


Found Hyundai recall.........

https://www.theguardian.pe.ca/business/reuters/hyundai-to-expand-kona-ev-recall-to-north-america-europe-over-battery-fire-risk-yonhap-508353/

[Traum]

For the time being, it's 5 vehicles out of 50k+ Bolts, so it is 0.01% chance of the car bursting into fires. If I were a Bolt owner, of course, I'd keep my eyes open, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

[SumAznGuy]

Hyundai uses Samsung batteries. They mentioned some Tesla's were recalled. I can't believe that one. Any truth?

I know some Tesla's, before they built their own factories, were using Panasonic batteries.

There's been enough Tesla S's bursting into flames that it's possible.

[JDMDreams]

I just had this thought, for the guys with phev or full ev. What does your service intervals look like? I'm trying to figure out the upkeep cost. Like do you still have to change the oil every 5000km since technically you could be all electric if the motor doesn't kick in.

[Jmac]

I just had this thought, for the guys with phev or full ev. What does your service intervals look like? I'm trying to figure out the upkeep cost. Like do you still have to change the oil every 5000km since technically you could be all electric if the motor doesn't kick in.
You don't even have to change the oil every 5k on conventional engines these days. Most are like 2x-4x that.

For what it's worth, the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is rated at 7500 mile (12000 km) interval.

[asian_XL]

I just had this thought, for the guys with phev or full ev. What does your service intervals look like? I'm trying to figure out the upkeep cost. Like do you still have to change the oil every 5000km since technically you could be all electric if the motor doesn't kick in.

My Tesla hasn't reached the service required mileage, so far I have heard people bringing their Tesla back to the service center to fix things way more than going back to maintain.

Items like wipers, wiper fluid, 12v battery, brakes (every 80k km), tires, battery fluid (if there is leaking going on), A/C refill.

A friend drives a Hyundai Ioniq and it requires similar service, but Hyundai ask for $900 every year going back to continue the warranty, quite stupid.

[Jmac]

My Tesla hasn't reached the service required mileage, so far I have heard people bringing their Tesla back to the service center to fix things way more than going back to maintain.

Items like wipers, wiper fluid, 12v battery, brakes (every 80k km), tires, battery fluid (if there is leaking going on), A/C refill.

A friend drives a Hyundai Ioniq and it requires similar service, but Hyundai ask for $900 every year going back to continue the warranty, quite stupid.
Is that Hyundai or the Hyundai dealer? I noticed quite a few dealers have service schedules that didn't match the manufacturer's while car shopping over the past few years.

From Hyundai's website:
Every 12K or 6 months
Tire rotation
Check fluid level (coolant and washer)
Inspect cooling system hoses and connections
Inspect exterior lights
Inspect tire pressure
Inspect driveshafts and boots
Inspect steering gear box, linkages and boots/ball joints
Inspect clutch (if equipped) and brake pedal free play

Every 24K or 1 year
Tire rotation
Check battery condition and terminals
Check 12V battery condition
Check fluid level (coolant and washer)
Inspect cooling system hoses and connections
Inspect exterior lights
Inspect tire pressure
Inspect and lubricate all latches, hinges and locks
Inspect disc brakes/pads
Inspect driveshafts and boots
Inspect suspension mounting bolts
Inspect steering gear box, linkages and boots/ball joints
Inspect brake lines, hoses and connections
Inspect air conditioning compressor function
Inspect air conditioning refrigerant for any leaks
Inspect brake/clutch (if equipped) fluid
Inspect clutch (if equipped) and brake pedal free play

Every 48K or 2 years
Tire rotation
Check battery condition and terminals
Check 12V battery condition
Check fluid level (coolant and washer)
Service front and rear brakes
Inspect cooling system hoses and connections
Inspect exterior lights
Inspect tire pressure
Inspect and lubricate all latches, hinges and locks
Inspect driveshafts and boots
Inspect suspension mounting bolts
Inspect steering gear box, linkages and boots/ball joints
Inspect brake lines, hoses and connections
Inspect air conditioning refrigerant for any leaks
Inspect air conditioning compressor function
Inspect cooling system
Inspect brake/clutch (if equipped) fluid
Inspect clutch (if equipped) and brake pedal free play

[68style]

Hyundai dealers are garbage, I remember a couple years ago a friend of mine had a Santa Fe, they had a recall on the front valve cover with the V6 for leaking oil that they would cover as part of the recall, but of course the rear valve cover also freaking leaks because it's the same problem on both valve covers... they wanted $1,900.00 to change it. We got it done at a shop down the street we didn't even know for $400.00.

I know dealerships charge more, but they're such a bunch of crooks. Kamloops Hyundai is the same deal with cars I have at work as part of my fleet, crazy ripoff prices for everything.

[VR6GTI]

Hyundai is crap and the dealers around here are just as bad

[Koflach]

I just had this thought, for the guys with phev or full ev. What does your service intervals look like? I'm trying to figure out the upkeep cost. Like do you still have to change the oil every 5000km since technically you could be all electric if the motor doesn't kick in.

I've had my Model 3 for just over 2 years and have rotated the tires, put in washer fluid and changed the wipers once. That's it.

[asian_XL]

Is that Hyundai or the Hyundai dealer?

I never asked, just a chat with my friend whereas Tesla wants $400 if I insists a service check that they say it is not necessary.


I've had my Model 3 for just over 2 years and have rotated the tires, put in washer fluid and changed the wipers once. That's it.

I see there is an oil filter underneath the rear motor (not sure about the front), but no one can tell me how long it needs to be changed.

[Vege]

Hyundai is crap and the dealers around here are just as bad

I fully agree. Fell into the thought Hyundai was equal to its Japanese rivals getting a new Hyundai Tucson in 2011. Bought a brand new one fully loaded because of the amount of standard features for the price. Sold it earlier this year with so many annoying problems.

HVAC needed to be replaced within a year under warranty.
Fog lights stopped working
Sun roof doesn’t open
Back up camera doesn’t work
Driver heated seats slowly became Luke warm instead of hot
Touch screen head unit freezes on occasionally when Starting the car
USB slot stopped work (USB stick is fine, works great on my new car)

Everything slowly stopped working after the warranty period.
Not to mention that beautiful 2.4 engine that had multiple recalls and still there is a lawsuit over engines blowing up.

[EvoFire]

I fully agree. Fell into the thought Hyundai was equal to its Japanese rivals getting a new Hyundai Tucson in 2011. Bought a brand new one fully loaded because of the amount of standard features for the price. Sold it earlier this year with so many annoying problems.

HVAC needed to be replaced within a year under warranty.
Fog lights stopped working
Sun roof doesn’t open
Back up camera doesn’t work
Driver heated seats slowly became Luke warm instead of hot
Touch screen head unit freezes on occasionally when Starting the car
USB slot stopped work (USB stick is fine, works great on my new car)

Everything slowly stopped working after the warranty period.
Not to mention that beautiful 2.4 engine that had multiple recalls and still there is a lawsuit over engines blowing up.

Dad's Genesis Coupe had similar issues. New tranny, new head unit under warranty. New DRLs under extended. They were willing to do the work but it's not great considering it wasn't a 1st year car.

Engine's been not as smooth in the last 2 years but the car is worthless on trade in so my dad is just going to drive it into the ground.

[Hehe]

Took delivery of a Model X CPO today from Tesla

We thought that with the pandemic, we'd just stick to our Model 3 until the Cybertruck comes when we sold our last ICE in the summer (it got a whopping 300km of driving from March to June)

However, we miscalculated as ever since the restart of kids' school, we have run into several occasions that we came in really tight (arriving barely in time to pick up the kids, or had to change our schedule altogether to make it work) or had to rent a car for a day. With another year or two until our Cybertruck, it just wasn't working too well.

We also vowed that we'd stick with EV (except for exotic toy car... if ever) ever since we took delivery of our Model 3 as our lil personal effort for the environment... however little that is.

Then a very good deal popped up on the Tesla site on a clean (no accident) 75D and we took it. A tad high on the mileage (just past 90k), but nothing to pick really. And the price (low 60s) was lower than anything I could find online for similar car.

When we finally saw the car today, we were pleasantly surprised that it got a brand new set of tires as the previous owner (it was a lease according to Carfax/Tesla record) returned it with winters. (it was noted in the inspection sheet).

The battery looked good too with barely 6% of degradation at full charge. Not sure if it had anything to do with the fact that it might have been originally a 60D (soft-locked 75D), even though the only clue to that fact was the little bag they used to hold the keyfobs said 60D on the model.

Overall, quite happy with the purchase and kids were super psyched about finally having THE falcon wing door. :fuckthatshit: When they first saw our model 3, which we just told them we were getting a Tesla, they kept asking where were the falcon wings doors.

[JDMDreams]

^^^ how's the warranty on cpo? I thought it was always not worth it to get used Tesla cuz the residuals were crazy high. And you get gov discounts when you buy new. Did you buy cash? Or get a really high used finance rate?

[Hehe]

CPO on Tesla usually carries the remainder of the 4yr/80k warranty plus an additional 1yr/20k.

Mine was just past the 4yr mark, so only an 1yr/20k warranty and the remainder of 8yr/unlimited drivetrain/battery warranty (4yrs remaining)

The financing rate is the same special rate Tesla arranged with RBC/Scotia... mine was 2.15%/60mth... so, not incredibly cheap, but certainly not bad either.

While taking delivery, I was talking to another gent taking a delivery of another X... he's basically in the same situation as mine... waiting for CT but needs a car to bridge in between. And from our sales specialist, apparently that's what many Model S/X CPOs are selling to... people who are waiting for the CT and wants something in the time leading up to it.

[dark0821]

^Interesting how many of you had bad experience with Hyundai. Granted I never kept them too long.

But had about 40,000KM on my elantra before letting it go, absolutely nth went wrong on that one, and I drove it pretty hard.... will wait for warm up, but would spent alot of time in the upper rev range, and had full coils and 235R18 RE71Rs on an elantra... lol

Just had my ioniq for 2 years now (Dec 2018 purchase), same thing, no problems so far, but then again it only has 20,000KM... When I was shopping around for a hybrid, the Hyundai was about $4000 cheaper compared to the equivalent Prius, and Toyota wanted something dumb like 4.9% APR financing, while Hyundai was 0.9% with my royalty dropped to 0.6% APR...

And with my own app milage calculator (fuelio on android), my ioniq was getting consistent 3.2-3.5L / 100km in summer, 4.2L/100KM in the last month when it got cold.... so yea

[noclue]

Anyone recommend an electrician in the surrey area that can install an electric charger for garage? I read that getting a simple NEMA 14-50 plug is easier than buying the tesla charging device.

[twitchyzero]

Granted I never kept them too long.

had about 40,000KM on my elantra before letting it go

average canadian car ownership is around 10 years/150k

[JDMDreams]

Everytime I consider a Korean car things like this pop up

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/11/27/hyundai-kia-fined-137-million-for-delaying-us-engine-failure-recalls-.html

[Hehe]

Anyone recommend an electrician in the surrey area that can install an electric charger for garage? I read that getting a simple NEMA 14-50 plug is easier than buying the tesla charging device.

I remember the thread starter of the RS Network thread offered electrician services... maybe check with him for some RS discount? :fuckthatshit:

Either way, not sure what your plan is... but I remember there's a BC EV charger rebate offered by BCHydro that pays up to 50% of the cost of charger+install to a max of $350. Check on that for the best deal? I installed a NEMA 14-50 plugs, but that's because the rebate wasn't available at the time. If I were to do it today, I'd sure look into that because for the NEMA 14-50, I needed minimal distance as the plug is literally next to breaker panel, and even in this case was still a few hundred bucks for parts/labours. And it wouldn't qualify for any rebates. So, might as well get $350 from BC gov't.

If you aren't a Tesla-only EV adopter, you can always go with one that uses J1772 and charges pretty much any EV at lvl2. If you are, like in my case, the Tesla charger can also be part of the rebate I believe. Check with Tesla/BCHydro for the specific details. I saw a few posts on local Tesla owner club and they just went with a Tesla-certified electrician to install theirs and got the rebate.

[twitchyzero]

like samsung appliances
killer tech/features for price, something major goes few years later
Kia supposedly dropped 6 spots this year, Niro EV scored only 18%
then again Tesla model Y is at 5% :ahwow:

[cafe22]

Anyone recommend an electrician in the surrey area that can install an electric charger for garage? I read that getting a simple NEMA 14-50 plug is easier than buying the tesla charging device.

Give Cielo Electric a try. Members at the Vancouver Electric Vehicle Association give high praise for their work and service.

[MG1]

https://insideevs.com/news/466968/chinese-ev-tested-germany-crash-safety/

[donjalapeno]

Im surprised of all the problems you guys had with Hyundai. I bought a ex rental 2018 Sonata back in march and have been driving the shit out of it (37000km in less than a year). So far its been absolutely awesome. Good fuel economy, peppy, standard features are awesome, steering is buttery smooth (same with the tranny).

Pretty happy with it. I bought it at 33000km and now its nearing 70,000km.

[GS8]

https://insideevs.com/news/466968/chinese-ev-tested-germany-crash-safety/

https://media.giphy.com/media/3orieX7ZArG7rX1uqQ/giphy.gif

[MG1]

https://electrek.co/2020/06/24/tesla-ranks-lowest-on-j-d-power-2020-quality-study/

Mostly cosmetic issues, so not as bad as it looks.......... I guess?

Tesla owners please chime in?

[JDMDreams]

https://jalopnik.com/engineer-who-compared-tesla-model-3-quality-to-a-kia-in-1846071616?utm_campaign=Jalopnik&utm_content=1611168003&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=facebook

[!Aznboi128]

https://jalopnik.com/engineer-who-compared-tesla-model-3-quality-to-a-kia-in-1846071616?utm_campaign=Jalopnik&utm_content=1611168003&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=facebook
“I was really hoping that I was gonna come out here and it’s gonna be just so marvelous — that I would have nothing bad to say,” he says. “But once again, I was disappointed.”

Tesla has never been known for the best quality, but the cars themselves are robust. According to a friend that works at service, most people that come in complaining about the little things of how trim is not on right or door is not aligned rather than the car's not working. In all, if you're going to buy an Electric car a Tesla is the one to buy. Put a Leaf or a Kona next to the Tesla is like putting a Galaxy S5 next to a fancy shiny new iPhone. Not saying others aren't great but they are behind in overall tech.

[TypeRNammer]

https://electrek.co/2020/06/24/tesla-ranks-lowest-on-j-d-power-2020-quality-study/

Mostly cosmetic issues, so not as bad as it looks.......... I guess?

Tesla owners please chime in?

Actually it's quite bad when you get a closer look. When I took delivery of mines, I had to get misaligned panels to be adjusted, tail lights adjusted, rubber seals adjusted, knick in the leather door panel which got fixed.

Everything else was okay

[Koflach]

https://electrek.co/2020/06/24/tesla-ranks-lowest-on-j-d-power-2020-quality-study/

Mostly cosmetic issues, so not as bad as it looks.......... I guess?

Tesla owners please chime in?

No car is perfect and neither is my 2018 Model 3. I had them make a minor adjustment to my hood alignment when I bought it but it was in great shape other than that.

The biggest issue with Tesla as a whole is that they rush the cars out the door as soon as they show up and there is very little pre purchase inspection by Tesla employees to fix these issues before they get to the customers. If they had this extra step in place a lot of these issues would never be seen.

[bcrdukes]

Has this become the defacto Tesla thread? :suspicious:

[Koflach]

Has this become the defacto Tesla thread? :suspicious:

Considering that for most people Tesla is the defacto electric car, yes.

[Traum]

Has this become the defacto Tesla thread? :suspicious:
Sure it is, when the de facto EV has the build quality of a Kia from the 90's lol~ 4Head