[Jmac]

I have difficulty believing a black dude in his 20s would intentionally run over a group of BLM protesters.

[Bouncing Bettys]

I have difficulty believing a black dude in his 20s would intentionally run over a group of BLM protesters.
He made two attempts to stop, but was force to flee after protesters began attacking his car. The police didn't bother adding a hit and run charge.

My theory: a closed highway at night, cops too busy with other matters, an expensive luxury car. It would be pretty tempting for a guy in his 20's to go for a rip believing it would be clear of traffic.

[68style]

Lol let’s just ignore the part where he went around obstacles, was obviously driving somewhere he wasn’t supposed to be and ignored the lights of an emergency vehicle

Are you being obtuse on purpose?

But muh cars getting scratched, better runs over some people at 60mph... wtf really?

[SkinnyPupp]

Lol let’s just ignore the part where he went around obstacles, was obviously driving somewhere he wasn’t supposed to be and ignored the lights of an emergency vehicle

Are you being obtuse on purpose?

But muh cars getting scratched, better runs over some people at 60mph... wtf really?
It's a luxury car bro, people need to get the fuck out of the way! Luxury.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1280283139638734848

(also the Atlanta mayor has coronavirus)

[dbaz]

Police have the the driver in custody. -driver of a white Jaguar.


woaah. you dont need to bring colour into this. the colour of the car shouldnt matter.



on a srs note, that shits fucked up

[Manic!]

White cop pulls over black cop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlZoUGiTJxA

[SkinnyPupp]

White cop pulls over black cop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlZoUGiTJxA
I just watched that and the first thing that came to mind is how he describes civilians as "sheep" and himself and the other cop as "wolves"

I get that he's trying to help, but maybe he has to reflect on his own mentality first? He should be seeing himself as "a person with a role in society" and civilians as "people with other roles in society"

Not wolf and fucking sheep.

[Digitalis]

Yes, really if your obtuse head would look back to the 92 riots and watched people that got drug out of their cars and beaten you'd be on the gas pedal and not the brake pedal. Continue on with your holier than thou.FailFishFailFishFailFish

Your white privledge clearly shows having never known fear due to the color of your skin.
Lol let’s just ignore the part where he went around obstacles, was obviously driving somewhere he wasn’t supposed to be and ignored the lights of an emergency vehicle

Are you being obtuse on purpose?

But muh cars getting scratched, better runs over some people at 60mph... wtf really?

[68style]

Yes, really if your obtuse head would look back to the 92 riots and watched people that got drug out of their cars and beaten you'd be on the gas pedal and not the brake pedal. Continue on with your holier than thou.FailFishFailFishFailFish

Your white privledge clearly shows having never known fear due to the color of your skin.

The fuck are you even talking about?

Doesn't matter what colour your damn skin is, you don't need to take off down an empty highway at 60+mph, there was no one even near him when he swerved around those police cars and hit those people

Fucking moron

[Nlkko]

May 1st, 2020
Whites open-carry allowed in state capitol in Michigan, blocking entrance to hospital during the height of the pandemic and barking in the face of cops = Patriots exercising their rights.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52496514

July 8th, 2020
Blacks open-carry in street of Atlanta = "Totally unacceptable", "Mob rule".
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1275998299070185472?s=20

Put 2 and 2 together yourself. Don't let anybody tell you their opinion. Otherwise, stop calling yourselves "conservatives". Ideology or political leaning has nothing to do with the lack of critical thinking and absence of intelligence.

[dbaz]

So with all the lobbying to have food products changed. uncle bens, aunt jemima etc..

what the fuck are they gonna do about "crackers"? :lol

[Jmac]

“Cracker” isn’t really the same as it’s derived from “whip cracker” as opposed to other derogatory terms which were used to describe oppressed populations.

[dbaz]

“Cracker” isn’t really the same as it’s derived from “whip cracker” as opposed to other derogatory terms which were used to describe oppressed populations.

So if its derived from something else its fine? Guess nig, nip, cracker etc are back on the table boys!
Or is it only "oppressed people", but then whites sure as hell aint always living pretty in non-white countries.

Double standards dont work. Negative Racism is negative racism.

[CivicBlues]

Are you fucking serious?

[Bouncing Bettys]

The fuck are you even talking about?

Doesn't matter what colour your damn skin is, you don't need to take off down an empty highway at 60+mph, there was no one even near him when he swerved around those police cars and hit those people

Fucking moron
What proof do you have that he intentionally targeted protestors?

- It was a blind corner at night and protestors commonly wear dark clothing.
- none of the vehicles blocking the road appear to have police lights or markings.
- there were likey signs saying the highway was closed, but I haven't seen any evidence to suggest there was signage explaining the reason for the closure or warnings of protestors on the highway.
- He seemed not ok with damaging his luxury car by avoiding a collision with those vehicles, also fleeing from the mob when they attack his car, yet he is ok with using it to run down protestors?
- he swerved to avoid the bulk of the group of protestors
- he immediately pulled over after striking 2 of them. Protestors then swarmed his car and began attacking him so he drove off.
- he stops further down the road and is again chased and attacked before driving off again.
- when police arrive he immediately asked if those people were ok.
- the police did not charge him with a hit and run, likely because he made attempts to stop and showed concern for the well-being of the struck protestors.

No one but him knows why he was on that closed highway. Given his age and how I often see reckless driving from young owners of expensive cars in the LM, a closed highway, with assumed little police presence (observing protests in the city core), would be irresistible.

I'm more inclined to believe he is some punk kid with more money than brains, than a black version of Charlottesville.

Now could we not discuss this without insults?

[dbaz]

Are you fucking serious?
My first post about crackers? clearly a joke.

The second post about those words being on the table, clearly not serious about those being useable.

although nip is probably the most comparable because its derived from the word nippon (meaning japan), it is used negatively,thus is racist.

Double standards? yea, cuz they are fking stupid atm.

[GS8]

So if its derived from something else its fine? Guess nig, nip, cracker etc are back on the table boys!
Or is it only "oppressed people", but then whites sure as hell aint always living pretty in non-white countries.

Double standards dont work. Negative Racism is negative racism.

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e799ad77-a4fd-432b-9dbf-f4d647d45521.40aad0cecfe6d89799f35526baa2db7b.jpeg

[dbaz]

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e799ad77-a4fd-432b-9dbf-f4d647d45521.40aad0cecfe6d89799f35526baa2db7b.jpeg

clearly another product that must be changed for the pc generation

[SumAznGuy]

So with all the lobbying to have food products changed. uncle bens, aunt jemima etc..

what the fuck are they gonna do about "crackers"? :lol

We should get rid of white chocolate and call it "fair and lovely" chocolate

[dbaz]

We should get rid of white chocolate and call it "fair and lovely" chocolate

Solid one. But seems people have already declared privileged as the replacement word. privileged chocolate, privileged eggs, privileged loaf

[SumAznGuy]

Solid one. But seems people have already declared privileged aa the replacement word. priveleged chocolate, privileged eggs, privileged loaf

I think L'Oreal is changing the names of their whitening cremes. Privileged cremes. :fuckyea:

[dbaz]

I think L'Oreal is changing the names of their whitening cremes. Privileged cremes. :fuckyea:

If you want privileged creme.. I know a guy

[mikemhg]

clearly another product that must be changed for the pc generation

Are you that daft? Do you see a picture of a Japanese dude on the box? :lol

I get it, you're white, and you're feeling threatened.

My heart bleeds for you.

[dbaz]

Are you that daft? Do you see a picture of a Japanese dude on the box? :lol

I get it, you're white, and you're feeling threatened.

My heart bleeds for you.

i guess because its only writing on the internet you cant tell im joking. im just sick of all this bs pc shit.

as for me being white, so what? why you gotta single out my colour brah? thats not cool :lol

[underscore]

So if its derived from something else its fine? Guess nig, nip, cracker etc are back on the table boys!
Or is it only "oppressed people", but then whites sure as hell aint always living pretty in non-white countries.

Double standards dont work. Negative Racism is negative racism.

It's intentionally racist designs that are being changed. Go look up the history of the "Aunt Jemima" branding.

[dbaz]

clearly, yes. my comment was on how cracker meant less to the poster because it derives from something else, while in fact most words/slang are derived from another word/something else

[CivicBlues]

lol tell me where in the fucking world are white people disadvantaged in any way. Don't say Japan or China. It's not because you're white, it's because you're a foreigner.

[westopher]

Crackers were also called crackers before white people were called crackers. It would be like if the racial slur for white person was sandwich or hamburger.

[dbaz]

lol tell me where in the fucking world are white people disadvantaged in any way. Don't say Japan or China. It's not because you're white, it's because you're a foreigner.

Why do you think people of colour have been disadvantaged in N.America or Europe(white colonizations/countries)? Because they are seen as a foreigner/different to the skin colour of the majority.
Differences are the building blocks of racism, yet to say white people are just foreigners in Asia is inconsistent to the basics of racism. In no way is it as bad as in Europe or N.America that minorities have it, but yes, in the Middle East, parts of Africa and in Asia white people are disadvantaged for not being the same colour as the majority, even if they become a citizen of those countries. Granted people with darker skin tones have it even worse in Asia. Saying "its because youre a foreigner", is a different way of saying "you, arent the same as us"

[CivicBlues]

I'm not a foreigner here. Are you saying because of the virtue of our skin colour we're always going to be foreigners in Canada?

You're comparing mono-ethnic states that have a closed door immigration to colonized states with open immigration policies.

Tell me, where have white people been accosted, assaulted, and persecuted en mass in these countries? Usually you are either tourists or expatriates that are generally fawned over by the native population. A sick legacy of colonialism and imperialism.

[dbaz]

I'm not a foreigner here. Are you saying because of the virtue of our skin colour we're always going to be foreigners in Canada?


To me no, to the government no(kinda, depending on what outdated laws they still have). You are a citizen either through birth or gaining it however someone can. Yet to someone who cannot accept difference/change, they will probably see someone as that and resort to racism. Just think of how many times people have gotten the "where are you from?" question-based on skin colour? That happens everywhere, simply based on what they have grown up as a normal majority.


Usually you are either tourists or expatriates that are generally fawned over by the native population

Disagree, women/men who are sexually interested in the difference, or have ulterior motives yes. Many middle-aged/older are still incredibly racist. Same as it is here.

Tell me, where have white people been accosted, assaulted, and persecuted en mass in these countries?


now? accosted for sure, happens in mass. in terms of persecution it occasionally still happens, but I am not saying it is as bad as n.america.
historically, yes, of course it has. hopefully, this is the beginning of the change in North America. Unfortunately, as people we cannot ignore differences which continues to lead to racism, as we have seen throughout the ages. Even though as humans we have advanced with our times we struggle getting past differences, and we still have to resort to violence and unnecessary actions to get the point across.

Crackers were also called crackers before white people were called crackers. It would be like if the racial slur for white person was sandwich or hamburger.
nip originally meant pinch/bite. in the end it all depends on the context its used, not where it came from.

[Jmac]

clearly, yes. my comment was on how cracker meant less to the poster because it derives from something else, while in fact most words/slang are derived from another word/something else Yeah, it’s not because it’s derived from something else/another word, it’s what it’s derived from.

A whip cracker was literally an oppressor of slaves.

:rukidding:

[dbaz]

yes, but if you were giving it leeway based on that... its still a derogatory term towards white people. granted if the person did oppress slaves, they prob deserve that label. but nowadays the use to a wider base of a race thats unrelated, doesnt make the origin of it anymore acceptable

[SkinnyPupp]

lol tell me where in the fucking world are white people disadvantaged in any way. Don't say Japan or China. It's not because you're white, it's because you're a foreigner.
Also white people have plenty of privilege in Japan and China, so I wouldn't buy that argument either. In some ways it's even worse, with old colonialist tendencies still present in these cultures.

[dbaz]

Also white people have plenty of privilege in Japan and China, so I wouldn't buy that argument either. In some ways it's even worse, with old colonialist tendencies still present in these cultures.

Lived in Japan for 6 years, can tell you its not as peachy as you think. Many expats would agree. If you work in tech industry you are given the best, anything else..

[SkinnyPupp]

Lived in Japan for 6 years, can tell you its not as peachy as you think. Many expats would agree. If you work in tech industry you are given the best, anything else..
I guarantee* you benefited from privilege many times without even knowing about it (hence why it's important to start recognizing it...)

*yes obviously I can't literally guarantee it. All I can do is get you to think back to your life experiences, and for a moment consider how those experiences would have been different if you weren't white. That's all.

[!LittleDragon]

i guess because its only writing on the internet you cant tell im joking. im just sick of all this bs pc shit.

as for me being white, so what? why you gotta single out my colour brah? thats not cool :lol

It comes and goes, PC was big in the 90's and then went away for a while. Now it's back.

[dbaz]

It comes and goes, PC was big in the 90's and then went away for a while. Now it's back.

Was prob too young to realize this back then. Its good for recognizing whats actually wrong, but going overkill is just dumb


I guarantee you benefited from privilege many times without even knowing about it (hence why it's important to start recognizing it...)
Of course there were some, yet at same time there are many disadvantages as a minority/non-native. Same can be said for minorities in every country. But saying white people dont have disadvantages is just being ignorant

[SkinnyPupp]

Was prob too young to realize this back then. Its good for recognizing whats actually wrong, but going overkill is just dumb



Of course, yet at same time there are many disadvantages as a minority/non-native. Same can be said for minorities in every country. But saying white people dont have disadvantages is just being ignorant
What if you were in the exact same situation but were black or indian? Would you have the same disadvantages? Maybe more? Less?

So is it possible that those disadvantages are actually just for being a foreigner, rather than being white?

And since you admit that white people do have privilege, what about the aforementioned black or indian people? Do they have the same privileges?

[dbaz]

What if you were in the exact same situation but were black or indian? Would you have the same disadvantages? Maybe more? Less?

So is it possible that those disadvantages are actually just for being a foreigner, rather than being white?

And since you admit that white people do have privilege, what about the aforementioned black or indian people? Do they have the same privileges?

Ive clearly already commented that darker skin tones have it way worse in Asia.
Being disadvantaged, but with less than another group does not mean that its ok. Is it okay for asians, blacks, indians etc to give up on their fights for equality in Canada because Native Americans have had it off worse? No. Each of those groups probably even have priviledges the others dont.

The point is for people to realize everyone has disadvantages and priviledges depending on where they are and work from there towards EQUALITY. If you cant admit its a problem of various levels all around, you arent going to reach equality.

This isnt a pissing match on whos the most disadvantaged, its about realizing that its a worldwide problem for everyone and working from there

[SkinnyPupp]

Ive clearly already commented that darker skin tones have it way worse in Asia.
Being disadvantaged, but with less than another group does not mean that its ok. Is it okay for asians, blacks, indians etc to give up on their fights for equality in Canada because Native Americans have had it off worse? No. Each of those groups probably even have priviledges the others dont.

The point is for people to realize everyone has disadvantages and priviledges depending on where they are and work from there towards EQUALITY. If you cant admit its a problem of various levels all around, you arent going to reach equality.

This isnt a pissing match on whos the most disadvantaged, its about realizing that its a worldwide problem for everyone and working from there
Soo... You're saying "all lives matter"?

[dbaz]

No, Im saying that certain lives matter more in countries where those people are at disadvantages. All lives would be incorrect.
For example all lives matter in North America is bs because whites are more privileged. For example, in Japan, Japanese are the priviledged.etc etc
Every country has laws and views that put non natives at major disadvantages, which need to be fixed. Considering globalization if this isnt done it will lead to more problems

[SkinnyPupp]

No, Im saying that certain lives matter more in countries where those people are at disadvantages. All lives would be incorrect.
For example all lives matter in North America is bs because whites are more privileged. For example, in Japan, Japanese are the priviledged.etc etc
Every country has laws and views that put non natives at major disadvantages, which need to be fixed. Considering globalization if this isnt done it will lead to more problems
But one race seems to be more privileged than any other, across most of the world. Is there much urgency to bring up their plight?

[welfare]

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e799ad77-a4fd-432b-9dbf-f4d647d45521.40aad0cecfe6d89799f35526baa2db7b.jpeg

nips and crackers!?!?

https://66.media.tumblr.com/57b1b8b8697b72d356104b2a579b38b8/tumblr_pvn64t9sgS1s9a9yjo1_500.gif

[dbaz]

Currently the western world is definitely the worst, whites are privileged there, im not arguing that. But does being privileged in part of the world make your privileged in another? no. Unless you are possibly well off and going to a cheaper country.


I am also speaking on the world stage, because what I originally argued was that whites don't receive disadvantages anywhere.

While wrong no matter what, this is recurring theme throughout history where different races have been more privileged with the evolution of humans. Violence has just shifted the privilege to a different race. In no ways am I saying that because its a repeating occurance its okay, im just saying people always try to solve it with violence and oppression of others. Its time to understand each other, that this is a problem that affects everyone, but definitely more than others in different parts of the world and support each other from there

[SkinnyPupp]

Currently the western world is definitely the worst, whites are privileged there, im not arguing that. But does being privileged in part of the world make your privileged in another? no. Unless you are possibly well off and going to a cheaper country.


I am also speaking on the world stage, because what I originally argued was that whites don't receive disadvantages anywhere.

While wrong no matter what, this is recurring theme throughout history where different races have been more privileged with the evolution of humans. Violence has just shifted the privilege to a different race. In no ways am I saying that because its a repeating occurance its okay, im just saying people always try to solve it with violence and oppression of others. Its time to understand each other, that this is a problem that affects everyone, but definitely more than others in different parts of the world and support each other from there
I agree with you for the most part. Understand each other, know that we're basically all the same, etc.

However "throughout history, different races" etc.. well it's practically white people who have privilege over everyone else, due to centuries of colonialism.

Do I say "cancel white" or shit like that? Hell no

However the goal should be to bring everyone UP to that level, not to bring anyone DOWN.

And that means, what little disadvantage white people do have, does not really need to be addressed right now. Maybe it's REALLY bad in parts of the world, I am ignorant to that. All I know is white 'disadvantage' is basically the same as any foreigner's disadvantage, plus the other races have more on top of that. So it's not exactly an urgent issue that needs to be solved.

[underscore]

lol tell me where in the fucking world are white people disadvantaged in any way. Don't say Japan or China. It's not because you're white, it's because you're a foreigner.

White farmers were in Zimbabwe in 2000/2001. Not very common but it does happen.

[dbaz]

I agree with you for the most part. Understand each other, know that we're basically all the same, etc.

However "throughout history, different races" etc.. well it's practically white people who have privilege over everyone else, due to centuries of colonialism.

Do I say "cancel white" or shit like that? Hell no

However the goal should be to bring everyone UP to that level, not to bring anyone DOWN.

And that means, what little disadvantage white people do have, does not really need to be addressed right now. Maybe it's REALLY bad in parts of the world, I am ignorant to that. All I know is white 'disadvantage' is basically the same as any foreigner's disadvantage, plus the other races have more on top of that. So it's not exactly an urgent issue that needs to be solved.


For sure. Sometimes bringing down works though in different contexts

human history is quite long.
West Africa, Egypt, Mongolians, Chinese Empire have all been world powers and had slaves, slums etc.
It may only seem likes whites as they have been at their peak of power, and globalization/technology has intensified the access of information and visuals of it. Imo the next will be a chinese empire again unless white people start another world war.
Also not all the whites were the same, theres been shifts. Western Europe, to Germany, to America. Completely different agendas but still brutal to anyone thats not them

basically overall its a human problem, based on the basics of racism (differences).we as humans are hard-wired to notice differences. as white countries are the super power in the world atm whites are the main offender, but not the only one. only way to combat it is to come together and realize the basics of racism, that everyone sees differences, create the notion that these differences are okay and to make them normal in people's eyes and move together as one.

[GS8]

nips and crackers!?!?

https://66.media.tumblr.com/57b1b8b8697b72d356104b2a579b38b8/tumblr_pvn64t9sgS1s9a9yjo1_500.gif

I cropped the dot in the i and this is the result

https://i.imgur.com/LkN2gQz.jpg

Don't have a seizure now :troll:

[Hehe]

I think Skinny, you are interpreting social stereotyping as "privilege" from what I can read from you.

Many places, especially in Asia, they see foreigners, white caucasian especially, as a symbol of higher general world hierarchy. The general idea that people from west are better educated (not necessary academically, but the educational approach to promote critical thinking, innovative, original... etc). In HK/JP, they also see them as more advanced in term of "hip" as most major fashion, musical, creative scene in general as the leading force.

So, it's not so much as a privilege, but rather stereotyping. It's just so happen most of the stereotyping toward white are generally positive.

Now, I think racial stereotyping is fucking bullshit, HOWEVER, I must say that for the sake of human race to evolve better, y'all better fucking live up to it.

Peer pressure is a powerful thing. Yes, it can be awful when directed in the wrong direction, but positively, it can have a HUGE impact on our society.

As you said, " the goal should be to bring everyone UP to that level, not to bring anyone DOWN." couldn't have said it better myself.

Why don't we... the society as a whole, focus on what a good old white caucasian family are generally doing to have that stereotyping on EVERYONE, regardless of their race, ethnicity.. etc?

Stop funding social programs that basically encourage single mom. We encourage a simple, healthy, functional family structure... however "normal" that might seem. We encourage kids to study harder (take a lesson from the kinda positive Asian stereotyping... we aren't much smarter, we just study shit tons of more time), we encourage them to participate in sport, to develop habits... etc, etc.

Make EVERYONE "white"... or actually, let me rephrase... "majority" in this society, then I believe in 10-20yrs, we'd have a very different world.

Some nuts would complain this "gentrification", as they always do. And we'd find ways to sustain them, while very much discourage that with eliminating every possible incentive.

[dbaz]

I see how you think that is positive. But two people are not the same, labelling them as something they are not creates more divide.
Bringing people up to white lvl worldwide doesnt work.
For example as a white guy in Japan I was assumed American, only a traveller as a foreigner, despised and insulted for apparently being american, considered inpure, held back on job interviews cuz im white and they assumed I couldnt speak the language, pulled over for drug check constantly. etc etc.
I wouldnt want blacks and indians who have it worse in Japan only raise to that level cuz its still bs. It needs to be more than a generic white lvl.
white level shouldnt be the goal. minorities need to aim higher then end up with equality. because as we all know you need to shoot higher because you never get what you originally want

[Hehe]

I think your exp. in Japan, as Skinny said, it's the bias against foreigners, or gaijin in general rather than anything else. It would have been mostly the same even for black, white, brown... etc.

Countries with incredible socialism working such as Norway, have basically done just that. They didn't "bleached" everyone to white. They just bring up everyone's perspective and value to be inline of the majority. Their welfare program is so well designed that the gov't would basically pay you for life if you choose not to work and just want to stay home. However, their citizens are educated enough to know that there's better things to do in life and everyone contributing to a better society.

Then you have the opposite happening with the same thing, countries like Venezuela or Argentina... they promised their people with everything without making sure their people understand it's only for those in need. Socialism failed and destroyed their economy, despite the vast resources their countries have.

We are not BLEACHING... we are bringing everyone UP to the SAME in term of overall society's value. Too many in America, predominantly Black, choose to be single mom as the gov't would pay them to stay single rather than a healthy normal family. However, studies have shown that a healthy family structure helps many kids to go on and become successful in life.

Let's LEARN a thing or two about what each culture (as in ethnicity) are doing in order for them to have that positive stereotyping and hope we can generalize that same positive generalization onto other culture.

It's not a race to the bottom to see who is less fortunate. We just try to normalize the general good values in our society onto MORE people.

[68style]

Where did you read anywhere that someone prefers to be a single mom staying at home? Lol

I think you’re mistaking a complete and utter lack of any choice or options surrounded by failed systems and biased employment and sociological constructs as... preference ?

Smh

[CivicBlues]

LOL yeah, he makes it sound like there's a lineup of black women wanting to be single mothers. I don't even have to know any black single mothers to tell you that exactly none of them want to be in that kind of position.

And why all the emphasis on single parenthood on the cause of failure? Sheesh, I was raised in a de-facto single parent household and turned out perfectly fine (I think...probably :p). There's other factors than just that.

[westopher]

Its just like the rhetoric spouted on here when we have people talking about "people on welfare going and buying a brand new x5 while their parents worked 18 jobs 70 hours a minute to support their families"
People hear one stupid story and then spout it off as some fact that literally defies all logic and reality.

[Xu.Vi]

Stop funding social programs that basically encourage single mom. We encourage a simple, healthy, functional family structure... however "normal" that might seem. We encourage kids to study harder (take a lesson from the kinda positive Asian stereotyping... we aren't much smarter, we just study shit tons of more time), we encourage them to participate in sport, to develop habits... etc, etc.

Make EVERYONE "white"... or actually, let me rephrase... "majority" in this society, then I believe in 10-20yrs, we'd have a very different world.


We are not BLEACHING... we are bringing everyone UP to the SAME in term of overall society's value. Too many in America, predominantly Black, choose to be single mom as the gov't would pay them to stay single rather than a healthy normal family. However, studies have shown that a healthy family structure helps many kids to go on and become successful in life.

Let's LEARN a thing or two about what each culture (as in ethnicity) are doing in order for them to have that positive stereotyping and hope we can generalize that same positive generalization onto other culture.

It's not a race to the bottom to see who is less fortunate. We just try to normalize the general good values in our society onto MORE people.

Don't go around saying this in the real world because it's offensive as fuck to many. You can take the liberty to reflect as to why.

[welfare]

And why all the emphasis on single parenthood on the cause of failure? Sheesh, I was raised in a de-facto single parent household and turned out perfectly fine (I think...probably :p). There's other factors than just that.

It's the strongest predictor of criminality. Surpassing race, and even gender.
I think something like 85% of all inmates grew up in a single parent home.
When controlling for the factor of fatherlessness, differences in crime rates between black and white disappear.

There are a tonne of thorough articles linking fatherlessness and single parent homes to all sorts of consequential statistics.

[CivicBlues]

What percentage of single-family households result in criminality? Poverty probably a significant predictor in whether or not households remain together. Remember correlation =/= causation.

Whelp I guess it's just a matter of time before I knock over a liquor store.

[welfare]

You can't ignore the correlation.
Here's just a random article with three dozen negative statistics.
Pretty hard to explain away.
https://lifeisbeautiful.org/statistics-on-fatherless-homes/

[68style]

I bet you 100% of the people in those prisons grew up in piss poor households... that’s the actual problem

[westopher]

A reasonable correlation would be that I’m sure many people who grew up in single parent households were
A) poor
B) had less parental interaction
C) grew up in neighbourhoods with higher crime rates

It stems from inequality.

[Manic!]

You can't ignore the correlation.
Here's just a random article with three dozen negative statistics.
Pretty hard to explain away.
https://lifeisbeautiful.org/statistics-on-fatherless-homes/

https://lifeisbeautiful.org/ LOL!!!!!! The sites you visit man. FailFish

[dbaz]

I think your exp. in Japan, as Skinny said, it's the bias against foreigners, or gaijin in general rather than anything else. It would have been mostly the same even for black, white, brown... etc.
.
wut.
gaijin is a derogatory term btw. means outside people aka not one of us. its literally telling them they arent accepted

bias against foreigner.. aka bias against people who are not the majority, those who seek equality. is that not what is being fought about in america? is it okay in an asian country but not a white controlled one?

even if you are born in japan(for example) if you have white, black, darker tan you automatically become non japanese to people similar to how it is in many western countries.

also norway put miniroties above majority. its good, but now they need equal it out as its creatjng some problems

[welfare]

A reasonable correlation would be that I’m sure many people who grew up in single parent households were
A) poor
B) had less parental interaction
C) grew up in neighbourhoods with higher crime rates

It stems from inequality.

And do you not believe that a single parent household is more likely to cause both A and B?
The ability to spread the weight of responsibility across two parents inevitably alleviates both.
That fact should be patently obvious.

[underscore]

And do you not believe that a single parent household is more likely to cause both A and B?
The ability to spread the weight of responsibility across two parents inevitably alleviates both.
That fact should be patently obvious.

With proper social programs, A can be eliminated, which in turn eliminates B.

[SkinnyPupp]

With proper social programs, A can be eliminated, which in turn eliminates B.
Related

https://twitter.com/nytimesbusiness/status/1281716855460241414

[westopher]

And do you not believe that a single parent household is more likely to cause both A and B?
The ability to spread the weight of responsibility across two parents inevitably alleviates both.
That fact should be patently obvious.
Uh yeah. That was the point.
The other point is that a wealthy kid growing up in a good neighbourhood in a single family household who’s parent has time for them is far less likely to have problems growing up.
Single income household is likely to cause poverty
Poverty and lack of opportunitiy is likely to cause behavioural problems than dad not being around.

[320icar]

I just want to say to all the guys reading this: anyone can be a father figure and role model

Even with two parents, that doesn’t mean the dad isn’t shitty or vacant for their children. I’m sure we all have friends with kids or even relatives (cousins, nieces etc). Often you’ll never even know it, but you could be the person a child looks up to. Take that role with pride and always be mindful of the impact you could have.

[mikemhg]

It amazes me how Hehe parrots every single right-wing talking point when on the topic of race. Not surprising in how he posts videos from Fox News on this very topic.

What's facinating here is that this same argument has been made going back to the 1960's and prior. Black women have always been demonized in America.

Daniel Patrick Moynihan made a similar demonization of the black family back in 1965, quoting "A community that allows a large number of young men to grow up in broken families, dominated by women, never acquiring any stable relationship to male authority . . . that community asks for and gets chaos."

Whenever this idea is expounded, there is little connection made to economic reasoning. Does Hehe understand that black women are the primary income earners in the majority of black households? That is a complete reverse on the dynamic within the white household. How that cannot be realized as a major connection as per why these single parental households exist is beyond me. That is a very clear indicator of the income disparity between black and white men, which clearly affects a family dynamic when comparing the two.

https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-marriage-divide-how-and-why-working-class-families-are-more-fragile-today

"a majority of middle- and upper-class Americans are married, whereas only a minority of working-class Americans are married."

So we know, quite clearly the major economic deficit the black community experiences in wealth in relation to the white population in America. We also know that the poor and working-class, a major disparity in marriage.

Thus is seems like such a no brainier that the black family household has a much higher tendency of single-parent homes. Simple economics. Yet somehow, these old school eugenics based arguments continue to prevail that the black family is somehow substandard, or carries some sort of diminished morals and values as opposed to white families.

I find it very odd that this old and racist argument continues to prevail, when it can be so simply found counterfactual, and be disseminated through basic facts.

[mikemhg]

More on this subject for your reading:

https://www.city-journal.org/html/black-family-40-years-lies-12872.html

Almost 70 percent of black children are born to single mothers. Those mothers are far more likely than married mothers to be poor, even after a post-welfare-reform decline in child poverty. They are also more likely to pass that poverty on to their children.

This issue is not a bug, it is a feature, made part by a history of economic genocide and distress disposed on an entire community of people.

Rather then attacking the black family household writ-large, one should look at this as a damning fact of how a community has been so severely subjugated.

[Xu.Vi]

The folks that express their utter certainty, understanding, conclusions, and solutions towards systemic problems that have stemmed for decades and decades (many times before they were even born)...also have a hard time dipping their foot into the water to making a change. Instead, you find many of these people sit back in front of their monitor and continue speaking from their high horse, as opposed to working with the very people they speak about. Trust me when I say it isn't as simple as what many believe it to be. We all want everyone to be fully integrated into society. We all want everyone to have a meaningful life...we only have one. But if your solution starts with "it's simple..."...put your money where your mouth is.

This is the exact reason why having a dialogue on a forum they've been posting for years comfortably is difficult when trying to insight and exploration of their thoughts/feelings. It's instinctive for humans to find a sense of comfort and crawl to it but discomfort is the optimal zone for self-development...it is the only place for development. I welcome you to sit in discomfort...actually I encourage you to sit in discomfort...only then can we have a genuine and insightful discussion.

[Hehe]

More on this subject for your reading:

https://www.city-journal.org/html/black-family-40-years-lies-12872.html

Almost 70 percent of black children are born to single mothers. Those mothers are far more likely than married mothers to be poor, even after a post-welfare-reform decline in child poverty. They are also more likely to pass that poverty on to their children.

This issue is not a bug, it is a feature, made part by a history of economic genocide and distress disposed on an entire community of people.

Rather then attacking the black family household writ-large, one should look at this as a damning fact of how a community has been so severely subjugated.

And have you thought about WHY is the reason that poor families, regardless of skin colors, continue this trend?

What is exactly the underlying reason for them to persist in that environment without getting out?

Do we really discriminate them because of color/social status/education? I have met black immigrants from Nigeria, Blazil, Jamaica, South Africa... etc, and they all seem to do fine despite many of them coming from very poor origins. Many of them didn't even finish HS, but that never stopped them from succeeding.

It's not discrimination. It's not education. But determination. They NEVER asked and picked the EASY WAY OUT. They chose the RIGHT way out.

The problem is what are we doing, as a society, to incentivize for them to work their way out of whatever shit they are in?

What is left-wing doing? They promise welfare programs after welfare programs... if you can qualify a welfare program as a single mom but NOT as a married couple, and you are struggling with your life already. Would you not rather stay as a single mom? The welfare system is incentivizing to have a broken societal system.

But why do we do that? Because that gets votes. Poorer families in our society only care about what they can get, not about what they can be. How can they? They are struggling day in and day out to put food on the table. Some times they just don't.

How do you resolve such a problem? By admitting kids from poorer families into elite schools no question asked, by giving people jobs in elite companies regardless of their ability and credentials, all in the name of EQUALITY?

Do you know what happen when you do that? Those people would be fucking traumatized if they aren't prepared for it. Students in elite schools have the resources to go private lessons after school, participate in all sort of extra-curricular programs, and if the poorer family can't afford all that, they'd lack behind of their peers. What are they going to feel when they are already doing their best, but yet they are so far away from their peers?

Same thing with work, a family of mine is an ex-googler, and when I asked him what's like to work at Google, he said... you know when you go to work and you feel that you are working with a bunch of monkeys? Well, at Google, I feel, I'm the monkey.

It's like asking to include a regular Joe in the F1 program and ask him to compete with all the best drivers in the world without carefully planning it.

Hence, what I ask from our society is very simple. Let's NOT incentivize broken behaviors. Let's use models that we know that has been working and incentivize on that. As we discover more and more positive behaviors, we promote those too and eliminate the bad ones.

My wife is a behaviour analyst and design programs that helps struggling kids. And that very principle is also used in corporate environments which they study the ABCs (Antecedents, Behaviours and Consequences) and I'm a strong believer of that too and use that principle in my own startup.

What many of here are suggesting is that the problem is THE SOCIETY.

Fuck no... it's the SYSTEM of choices. You make bad choices, you get bad results. You continue to do bad choices, the cycle would never end. Hence, we need to address the SOURCE of the problem, to give them little to none opportunities to pick bad choices.

Don't come to me with some utopian crap like if we give them opportunity, they will be able to succeed. Fucking BULLSHIT.
In Asian society, if I get a girl pregnant, the first thing I think about is getting married. THAT's the value I grew up to believe. It's my shit... so I take the responsibility. The kid in that belly was never the problem, it's the choice that we, as a man and woman made that's the problem. Knowing that... if I'm not ready to marry the girl, I'd be extra careful when having sex.

I used to own a business and my programmers, some of them contractors I found online. I never knew what their race/ethnicity were. All I knew was their names and their abilities to do work I want them to do. If they can finish it, GREAT! If they can't, I don't care if they are white, black, brown or yellow. He can be a fucking golden unicorn but I won't keep him there as it offers me no value.

Like Terry Crews said... let's not turn Blacklivesmatter into blacklivesbetter. I don't judge a person by their colors, but I certainly won't give preference by their colors either. So, let's bring the fucked up living environment that many Black people or minorities live and work on HOW TO CHANGE THAT.

I respect anyone's choice to continue to live a fucked up live... that's their choice. But let's CHANGE that for people who didn't know they have an OPTION.

[Digitalis]

Canada is sooooo much better than the US of A
https://globalnews.ca/news/7160399/anti-semitic-chant-mississauga-rally/

[Hehe]

I just want to say to all the guys reading this: anyone can be a father figure and role model

Even with two parents, that doesn’t mean the dad isn’t shitty or vacant for their children. I’m sure we all have friends with kids or even relatives (cousins, nieces etc). Often you’ll never even know it, but you could be the person a child looks up to. Take that role with pride and always be mindful of the impact you could have.

Who's there to tell that to the kiddo?

My dad was ALWAYS busy during my life growing up. We'd often go months and even years without seeing each other. But he'd spend his time talking to me and bring me and my brother out for sightseeing whenever he had time. I appreciated that because those conversations and trips filled my childhood memory with my dad.

Without a dad... someone has to ASSUME that role. As an underprivileged mom, who is she supposed to ask to be when most around her are suffering the same problem?

It's EASY for us to say: let's just find this kid a father figure.

It's EASY for us to say: let's just give this kid a chance at elite school

It's EASY for us to say: let's just hang out free money to those people who needs it.

But they are not the RIGHT things to do.

In fact, most of the time, the right things to do don't get done BECAUSE they are HARD to do. But they are the right thing.

For all left-leaning guys here... I support many of your ideas. We want the society to be better, we want to eradicate racism and discrimination, and we want a better world for our kids in the future. I was one before.

But you have to think HARD and REALISTICALLY how to do that in the long term. By handing out a check to someone who's hungry and homeless is the quick and easy way out. That person would go buy some food and get some shelter. But how long would that last? When the money is out, do you take MORE money from those who worked hard to get them so you can continue handing out the money or do you tell those hungry homeless "I gave you enough money to take a chance, you missed it... now fuck off"?

That's why recently I turned my political view from left to right. As I started to be a dad, an employer, and a contributing citizen, I came to realize... like many of those youtube videos surveying kids in college having those grandious visions, that all those ideas that we had when young:

Why my dad can't think like me?

Why my boss can't think like me?

Why those babyboomers can't think like me?

It's because the way we think are NOT realistic! You don't run a family trying to be nice all the time. What kids want to do things they don't want to do?

You don't run a company trying to be nice all the time. The only way for the company to pay those employees wages is that it makes money. And the only way to make money is that its employees get the jobs done in the ways that supposed to be. Because without those controls... there is no order, and there is no planning and there is no growth.

You don't run a society trying to be nice all the time. We HAVE to be hard on people who don't pay or cheat on their taxes. We HAVE to be hard on those who breaks the law, and we HAVE to be hard on our future generations because that's the only way we can maintain the quality and orders of our society.

As a dad... it breaks my heart seeing my son crying because he didn't finish all the works I asked him to do. But if I give him a pass today, he'd expect a pass too when similar things happen again tomorrow. That's not a person I want him to grow to be. He needs to be responsible for his things. No if or buts... however hard that is for him and me.

That same philosophy is what I think about society today. If I be nice to them, give them a pass today... they didn't learn anything. They'd just ask for the same or more next time. What we need is what can we do for them to learn? To have a plan... a handout or a pass because of their race/ethnicity is not a solution. It would simply lead to more hate and discrimination.

[320icar]

https://media.tenor.com/images/82ac06f5eb083856828f6d4408e8472f/tenor.gif

[Hehe]

It amazes me how Hehe parrots every single right-wing talking point when on the topic of race. Not surprising in how he posts videos from Fox News on this very topic.


I talk on race because this thread is "George Floyd protests in America" and the whole BLM movement has been on race.

It's BLM's point that the problem we are having is a "systematic racism".

I'm arguing it's NOT about racism. It's about putting them, black or any race, on the right track to be better...

Instead, you and many here want to emphasize the point that many BLMers are doing, if you aren't supporting the cause or agreeing to the idea, you have problems with racism.

I spent a good hour going through the thread to re-read, this is basically the summary:

Many blacks are poor: because of systematic racism from others (opportunities in life)
Many blacks have low education: because systematic racism from others (low budget, attention... etc)
Many blacks don't succeed in life comparing to their white peers: because of systematic racism from others (many points)

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For fuck sake.... can we talk about what the fuck the black community as a whole have been doing? Is this a taboo? Are they some saints that can't be criticized or subject to objection from us normal people?

It's NEVER their own problem. Whatever problem they are having in the black community MUST be something others are doing... in which we conveniently use the word racism to categorize them all.

Interesting.... my best guess is that my black friends from Jamaica, Brazil, Nigeria... etc must be in a different shade of black as they don't seem to have the same problems with "others" both in America and Toronto.

Or maybe... just MAYBE... they are doing something different, something that's actually BETTER to get out of whatever shithole they were in.

Oh yes... my friends must be the few exceptions. right... but can't we take what they do, which seems to be working, and try to replicate on others?

They often put in 80+hrs week in work/gig, but they still manage to go to church, have kids, take good care of them and go kick some good old football (not the American) for some sweat with me on occasion.

For many of here.... really, I suggest you guys to really THINK, not just an ideology, but a complete diagnosis, inside and out, about what really is the problem and what is needed.

Do defunding the police, changing the police system would suddenly take all the black people out of poverty? No... hence, that's NOT the source of the problem... it does NOT change anything.

But if we change the black society, make having a healthy family structure a norm, make having a job a norm, make having to go to the college/university a norm... we'd take SO many of them out of poverty.

Please don't argue with me why black needs to follow white/yellow footsteps. This has NOTHING to do with colors. This is the footstep to success, at least the majority who took the same path achieved some form of middle class life. It just happened that many people of other colors (white, yellow, brown) are taking this path and less black people are on it.

[StylinRed]

sounds like a lot of bullshit hehe

[Hehe]

sounds like a lot of bullshit hehe

Just enlighten me about an actual way to lift the black community out of poverty. That’s all I’m discussing and all that matters.

All the protests asking for things like defunding the police, change the police system... etc etc are not going to make an impact to the black communities in question. In fact, if Seattle CHOP is any indication, a lot more violence would happen without the police in an already dangerous neighborhood.

These “bullshit” you said are the values that I grew up in. And what led me to have an ok life even in places where Asian discrimination was high.

I’m simply asking, a valid proposal from you left leaning guys that really going to make a positive difference in these communities in the long term with a lasting effect.

If you want to add those lefties ideologies bullshit like many are doing here. Go ahead. I’m just asking to discuss actual policies that we should push as a society that’s going to make a difference in there. Not some fantasy land crap that we can never achieve.

[westopher]

You want blacks to get a better education, but in your post earlier you said that if you can’t afford elite schools you shouldn’t get in because “you wouldn’t be able to afford the extra curricular activities and tutoring so they wouldn’t do well anyways”
You want people to do better, but you don’t seem to think they need the opportunities to get out of poverty.
What the fuck do you want to do, just stand on a soapbox with a bullhorn saying “yo guys, go do better!!” And some people are going to be like “oh fuck this guys right let’s go do better”

Your posts just come across as a thinly veiled ego trip about how successful you are and how all of your friends are successful. It’s all because of hard work and why can’t everyone just work as hard as you right? Racism didn’t stop you so it doesn’t stop anybody. You need to understand that sometimes your narrow experience doesn’t equal the same experience as 7 billion other people on this planet. Circumstances are different for EVERY SINGLE PERSON

[Xu.Vi]

Read the video description. Many resources for you to explore. Children are going to have a hard time feeling validated growing up if their parent/caregiver(s) continue to imply ideology such as HeHe's and it doesn't align with the reality they see. Teachers in private schools are trained the exact same (UBC, SFU,...only difference is private schools are legally obligated to pay the same wage as public school teachers because they were underpaid for the longest time. Oh, and they've got to deal with toxic entitled parents) and are starting to become educated formally or informally through workshops on topics such as systemic racism, LGBTQ+, self-development, and critical thinking. Teaching programs are giving a much bigger emphasis on those topics so we can finally educate children properly because there's a clear disconnect between the rich and the poor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrHIQIO_bdQ

[welfare]

Uh yeah. That was the point.
The other point is that a wealthy kid growing up in a good neighbourhood in a single family household who’s parent has time for them is far less likely to have problems growing up.
Single income household is likely to cause poverty
Poverty and lack of opportunitiy is likely to cause behavioural problems than dad not being around.

and what government program can replace the equally vital roles that BOTH a man and woman play in their child's development?
Keep in mind that's not just my opinion, but based on decades upon decades of psychological literature.

[westopher]

You aren’t really grasping it, and I’m sure you’ll continue to choose not to, but for the sake of discussion here I’ll spell it out. I’m not talking about REPLACING A PARENT, I’m talking about creating an environment for the child of a single parent to be successful
Financial support for single parents will provide more time available for their children
Social programs like “big brothers and sisters” as well as others will provide positive role models for children in single family households.
Charitable programs that allow underprivileged children opportunity to participate in sports and other hobbies will create goals and experience working with others for success and growth.
Subsidized child care will help take financial stress off of parents that are forced to work part time, or not at all to take care of their children.
Access to sexual health programs, education and contraception for young people will cause less unwanted pregnancies.
You seem like the kind of person that doesn’t understand reducing the frequency of a negative situation is still helpful. You aren’t stopping divorce or unfit parents, black, white, Asian etc. But you can help people in these situations be less prone to negative life experience.

[Xu.Vi]

You aren’t really grasping it, and I’m sure you’ll continue to choose not to, but for the sake of discussion here I’ll spell it out. I’m not talking about REPLACING A PARENT, I’m talking about creating an environment for the child of a single parent to be successful
Financial support for single parents will provide more time available for their children
Social programs like “big brothers and sisters” as well as others will provide positive role models for children in single family households.
Charitable programs that allow underprivileged children opportunity to participate in sports and other hobbies will create goals and experience working with others for success and growth.
Subsidized child care will help take financial stress off of parents that are forced to work part time, or not at all to take care of their children.
Access to sexual health programs, education and contraception for young people will cause less unwanted pregnancies.
You seem like the kind of person that doesn’t understand reducing the frequency of a negative situation is still helpful. You aren’t stopping divorce or unfit parents, black, white, Asian etc. But you can help people in these situations be less prone to negative life experience.

They don't like the idea that they get 'free' handouts

[westopher]

The old “it’s not my problem” approach, but then spend the rest of your life complaining about the same people that weren’t given opportunities to better themselves for being involved in crime and addictions.
Why help someone if you don’t get to act like your better than them anymore, right?

[Xu.Vi]

The old “it’s not my problem” approach, but then spend the rest of your life complaining about the same people that weren’t given opportunities to better themselves for being involved in crime and addictions.
Why help someone if you don’t get to act like your better than them anymore, right?

Well put. One colleague works specifically with middle-aged caucasian men between the ages of 50+ that are in corporate management who are mandated to seek counselling because they cannot grasp the ideas such as systemic racism, gender, sexual harassment, and general respect towards their employees. I didn't even know there was a market for this

Only when their income is on the line are they willing to learn and become educated on such topics and adapt.

[320icar]

The old “it’s not my problem” approach, but then spend the rest of your life complaining about the same people that weren’t given opportunities to better themselves for being involved in crime and addictions.
Why help someone if you don’t get to act like your better than them anymore, right?

Makes me think of the insane stats of black men incarcerated for petty weed crimes that most white men wouldn’t be jailed for. Instead of paying for social programs and investing in people’s futures, Americans are more than happy to spend trillions on the prison system ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[westopher]

Don’t forget despite taxes paying for prisons, private companies are allowed to profit off of it. It’s truly a fucking joke.
Remember, brock turner doesn’t get a prison sentence for rape because of his “potential” while thousands of black men are spending life in prison for petty theft and drug offences due to the three strikes rule. But hey, if they just worked harder and had their parents buy them into an Ivy League school they could have replaced those petty crimes with sexual violence and really made something of themselves!
Cute how they base a legal system off of a boring game too.

[birddog3k]

This idea that social programs are the solution for anything should be put to bed by now. Throwing more money at problems does NOT solve anything and usually makes things worse, especially if government is involved. This is the best case of the idea that "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". I understand it comes from a place of wanting to help but it is literally the main cause of all these issues we're facing.

I know a lot of you like to dismiss people based on race but here's an interview with the GREAT Thomas Sowell. He's a VERY well educated black man who started off as a Marxist and due to the overwhelming evidence stopped being one. This man knows how to think clearly. I implore all of you to read his book "Basic Economics". If you had to read one book on Economics, this would be one of the best options.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS5WYp5xmvI

To expand on the idea that more welfare = bad, consider public education. You might look at a city like Detroit and say that the poor test scores are a result of under-funding ("due to the lack of property taxes" just laughable) but out of the top 100 largest school districts, they spend more per student than ALL BUT 8 other school districts but have terrible test scores. And that's just Detroit. It's the same for Baltimore and all these other (Democratic) led cities.

Source: https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/detroit-schools-spend-more-educate-less-than-other-us-urban-districts

[westopher]

It’s not the basic principle of throwing money at something. Hey no dad? Here’s 50k kid. Do good stuff.
It’s about having well thought out programs that put money to good use. It doesn’t matter if you spend a shitload of money on schools and have a useless curriculum. I think we can both agree that the development of a new curriculum isn’t free though, right? Spending money is a consequence of the solutions, not the solution itself.

[280ZX]

What I like to see is more Poc to post in this thread (like mikemhg) as he is the one who experiences first hand what it is to like to live every day as a Poc. It's ironic that the white people caused alot of this
(ie. Indigenous children taken away from families and boarding schools) and we're supposed to listen to them for solutions (4,5 posters in this thread). It would be nice to read more from Indigenous or black posters on this post for solution and discussions from them, (instead of a mouth piece who's never experienced any oppression in their lives and pretends to understand.) Also, it would give some members a better understanding on why BLM.

[CivicBlues]

Fuck I commend all here that had the time to read all of hehe's word salad. I mean gawd, for someone espousing "pull yourself up from your bootstraps" ideology he sure devotes a metric tonne of time denigrating those that he deems unworthy of his time.

[punkwax]

Fuck I commend all here that had the time to read all of hehe's word salad.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/26tk0un0aZrXwDrVu/giphy.gif

[Hehe]

You want blacks to get a better education, but in your post earlier you said that if you can’t afford elite schools you shouldn’t get in because “you wouldn’t be able to afford the extra curricular activities and tutoring so they wouldn’t do well anyways”
You want people to do better, but you don’t seem to think they need the opportunities to get out of poverty.
What the fuck do you want to do, just stand on a soapbox with a bullhorn saying “yo guys, go do better!!” And some people are going to be like “oh fuck this guys right let’s go do better”

Your posts just come across as a thinly veiled ego trip about how successful you are and how all of your friends are successful. It’s all because of hard work and why can’t everyone just work as hard as you right? Racism didn’t stop you so it doesn’t stop anybody. You need to understand that sometimes your narrow experience doesn’t equal the same experience as 7 billion other people on this planet. Circumstances are different for EVERY SINGLE PERSON

I'm not sure if you guys ran out of words for refutal or you simply didn't read my post at all as none of the posts seems to be answering my question:

What can we do to make a fundamental change to the situation (poverty, education, work... etc) that would have a lasting effect in the community?

Putting underprivileged kids into elite schools for the sake of "equal opportunity" doesn't work. When the income discrepancy is too much, there's simply no way for them to be considered "equal". Yes, they might get the same attention at school from the teachers, but what about their after school stuff where privilege kids go to sport camps training with Olympians, or get help on their curricular stuff from private tutors. Yes, you might go with a scholarship program that we, the taxpayers, pay for EVERYTHING. But how many kids can benefit from this? 1/100000? How about the remaining 99999? If you don't sponsor all that "extras", you are not giving the kids the opportunity of their life, but the trauma of their life.

Same thing of asking cutting edge companies like Google/Apple. If they were up for the job, Google most likely had already gotten them in. If they aren't up to the job and you put him there... it's just a matter of time the person just gives up because their peers just work some much better.

Thus, I proposed we target from a more basic perspective. We start with family, educational requirements and incentivize on those actions. For example, kids get x amount of scholarship for going to highschool, x+y amount for finishing with z GPA, and finally x+y+a for going to university.

I'm not suggesting my idea is perfect, but it's time to get down to some actual actions that would benefit the community as a whole rather than some fairyland shit like making easy for black kids to get jobs at x place and go study at y school. Because HOW MANY can you take? There are millions of black kids out there that falls into this category. How many handouts can you do? Handouts are what gotten black community in this shithole in the first place, let's stop that and shift those resources into actions.

It's easy to talk about ideologies, but they don't do jackshit to the black community. Tell me exactly how defunding the police, and changing the policing structure make a difference in the life of so many black dudes, who are struggling with his life, study and health? So that if they break the law, they wouldn't be caught? Is that really what you want a kid... any kid, black or otherwise to grow up to be? If anything, as CHOP/CHAZ has demonstrated, a cop-less state made the place a shithole, not some utopian paradise for these black dudes to go in.

[westopher]

I've already answered all of the questions you are posing in this rebuttal. It's rich for you to accuse anyone of not reading in this thread.
No one anywhere in here has suggested apple/google just "go hire some black kids and hope for the best"
Your suggestion of scholarships and incentives is a great suggestion and aligns with the multiple other suggestions I have posted.
Changing the police structure has been pointed out on every page in this thread, and you literally point it out in your own argument against it. They struggle with their lives (social), studies (education) and health (medical coverage). We aren't talking about eliminating the police, we are talking about redirecting the massive overfunding of the police to PREVENT CRIME by providing opportunity for success through EDUCATION, SOCIAL, AND HEALTH FOCUSED PROGRAMS.
This isn't "fairyland shit" where people are saying give black people private school entrance and jobs, its about providing the aforementioned programs to EVERYBODY, including a marginalized black community.

[Hehe]

I've already answered all of the questions you are posing in this rebuttal. It's rich for you to accuse anyone of not reading in this thread.
No one anywhere in here has suggested apple/google just "go hire some black kids and hope for the best"
Your suggestion of scholarships and incentives is a great suggestion and aligns with the multiple other suggestions I have posted.
Changing the police structure has been pointed out on every page in this thread, and you literally point it out in your own argument against it. They struggle with their lives (social), studies (education) and health (medical coverage). We aren't talking about eliminating the police, we are talking about redirecting the massive overfunding of the police to PREVENT CRIME by providing opportunity for success through EDUCATION, SOCIAL, AND HEALTH FOCUSED PROGRAMS.
This isn't "fairyland shit" where people are saying give black people private school entrance and jobs, its about providing the aforementioned programs to EVERYBODY, including a marginalized black community.

And I already told you where the problem are with those ideas. You are romanticizing the idea of "we are all equal".

But the society is NOT equal and it's never meant to be.

If everyone is equal, then there should be no competition of any kind. Because in order for those elite people (be it athlete, academic, businessmen... etc) to be ELITE takes effort, determination and a lot of $$$.

What you guys are suggesting is basically communism or some kind of extreme socialism. It has proven time after time that it DOESN'T WORK. Because once you try to bring the line closer to those people who are under the line, the only way to make it work is to suppress those who are over the line. And ultimately, no one would care about the line anymore as it makes no sense to be better. Instead, we should focus on how to bring them UP to the line.

The ideology of "we are all equal" is very romantic. I give you that. But it would come a day that you realize that it simply doesn't work, and neither would we want it to work.

Because it lacks substance... it's all great inspiring talk after great inspiring talk... but you can talk about the greatest idea in the whole wide world... without a way to execute it effectively... it's just that... a talk.

Communism is arguably the greatest societal structure EVER proposed. It's really utopian... but there's no way to put it into our society and have the same outcome.

[westopher]

You sure use a lot of words to not say much.

[Bouncing Bettys]

The co-founder of Vancouver's BLM sure has some interesting takes on jobs, since we are on the subject:

https://twitter.com/cicelybelle_xo/status/1282377044907773952

[320icar]

^^ So.... She says you don’t need to be good at your job, but also not be punished for not being any good?

[welfare]

This idea that social programs are the solution for anything should be put to bed by now. Throwing more money at problems does NOT solve anything and usually makes things worse, especially if government is involved. This is the best case of the idea that "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". I understand it comes from a place of wanting to help but it is literally the main cause of all these issues we're facing.

I know a lot of you like to dismiss people based on race but here's an interview with the GREAT Thomas Sowell. He's a VERY well educated black man who started off as a Marxist and due to the overwhelming evidence stopped being one. This man knows how to think clearly. I implore all of you to read his book "Basic Economics". If you had to read one book on Economics, this would be one of the best options.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS5WYp5xmvI

To expand on the idea that more welfare = bad, consider public education. You might look at a city like Detroit and say that the poor test scores are a result of under-funding ("due to the lack of property taxes" just laughable) but out of the top 100 largest school districts, they spend more per student than ALL BUT 8 other school districts but have terrible test scores. And that's just Detroit. It's the same for Baltimore and all these other (Democratic) led cities.

Source: https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/detroit-schools-spend-more-educate-less-than-other-us-urban-districts

You aren't really grasping it. These crime ridden, crumbling cities that have all been run by democrats for decades just need.... More Democrat policies and programs FailFish
What was Albert Einstein's definition of insanity again?

[SkinnyPupp]

The co-founder of Vancouver's BLM sure has some interesting takes on jobs, since we are on the subject:

https://twitter.com/cicelybelle_xo/status/1282377044907773952
Go take a look at the early posts in the "working from home" thread, and tell me that's how things should be

Things are run SO POORLY, but yeah everything is fine because we can trade in some of our lifespan for a few crumbs SeemsGood

[Jmac]

What I like to see is more Poc to post in this thread (like mikemhg) as he is the one who experiences first hand what it is to like to live every day as a Poc. It's ironic that the white people caused alot of this
(ie. Indigenous children taken away from families and boarding schools) and we're supposed to listen to them for solutions (4,5 posters in this thread). It would be nice to read more from Indigenous or black posters on this post for solution and discussions from them, (instead of a mouth piece who's never experienced any oppression in their lives and pretends to understand.) Also, it would give some members a better understanding on why BLM. I highly doubt anyone in this thread was involved with, let alone was responsible for, the residential school system.

[punkwax]

You sure use a lot of words to not say much.

This isn’t directed at Hehe because honestly I’ve been scrolling through his posts for a while but man.. I know too many people that this statement applies to. So many words with so little substance.

I hate to judge but it annoys me when people like this are successful career-wise when all they do is spew verbal diarrhea that so many can see through. Good for them I suppose.. it takes a special talent to be able to fake it so well. It’s just not a talent I’d be proud of, myself.

[280ZX]

I highly doubt anyone in this thread was involved with, let alone was responsible for, the residential school system.

I know none of the posters here were responsible for the residential schools.
I was referring that we should listen to solutions from Poc, NOT solutions from non Poc. (some of the posters on this thread). That's how the residential school got so fucked up in the first place.

[Jmac]

I know none of the posters here were responsible for the residential schools.
I was referring that we should listen to solutions from Poc, NOT solutions from non Poc. (some of the posters on this thread). That's how the residential school got so fucked up in the first place.
I don't think it's constructive to silence or disregard people because of their skin colour, personally.

Certainly a person of colour who has been subject to systemic racism for much of their life is able to offer experiences, feedback, and input that is likely more relevant than another person who hasn't had to deal with that and thus you give more weight to their contributions. However, that doesn't mean that individual has an ideal solution for fixing major and complex societal problems.

[welfare]

https://youtu.be/1DxHL2i3cZo

[mikemhg]

Fuck I commend all here that had the time to read all of hehe's word salad. I mean gawd, for someone espousing "pull yourself up from your bootstraps" ideology he sure devotes a metric tonne of time denigrating those that he deems unworthy of his time.

He's another one I'd like to meet face to face if there's ever an RS meet :)

[mikemhg]

In terms of solutions, I mean heck, I've named quite a few thus far.

It's interesting and fitting, I work for a large multi-national corporation, and today we conducted a large webinar to discuss the topic of racism and racial equality within the company, and how we can do better.

It was very frank, and one I've not seen a company do in the past, which certainly shows these recent protests are working.

The stories I listened to from other black colleagues was illuminating, and to see our primarily white executive team's eyes open to these stories was certainly telling. I'm encouraged by this stuff, as it doesn't seem like virtue signaling.

To hear the stories of attending uncomfortable golf tourney's where you're the only person of color there, getting "fist bumps" instead of a handshake like everyone else, all small examples of what it's like as a black person in the corporate world. Heck I've had meetings visiting clients/advisors face to face for the first time, and having them go "You're black?! I could never tell over the phone, you're so articulate!".

It was great to hear similar stories nationally from colleagues throughout the country.

We spoke about having more diversity within leadership, as within my company on the executive side, it's a sea of white faces. Whether this is by choice or by circumstance, who knows. Hehe would say well "they're simply the best options", when that isn't true.

One part of "white privilege" is not necessarily racism, I highly doubt many of these people in those positions are actually racist. Racism can be subconscious in many ways. A factor we've highlighted is the bottleneck that occurs within our own subconscious bias. Meaning we tend to promote or hire within our own circle, regardless of merit. A company may want to diversify, but if your talent recruiters are white, and send you resumes of white applicants, or if that particular executive decides to hire from his own network of folks, that is where the bottleneck occurs. Hence simply being neutral on the subject will not address those particular bottlenecks.

Much of this is too nuanced and complex to discuss on a simple forum, but I must say I was happy to see such a large company take the uncomfortable measures to make this a topic of national discussion, and to attempt to address our deficiencies.

[birddog3k]

In terms of solutions, I mean heck, I've named quite a few thus far.

It's interesting and fitting, I work for a large multi-national corporation, and today we conducted a large webinar to discuss the topic of racism and racial equality within the company, and how we can do better.

It was very frank, and one I've not seen a company do in the past, which certainly shows these recent protests are working.

The stories I listened to from other black colleagues was illuminating, and to see our primarily white executive team's eyes open to these stories was certainly telling. I'm encouraged by this stuff, as it doesn't seem like virtue signaling.

To hear the stories of attending unconformable golf tourney's where you're the only person of color there, getting "fist bumps" instead of a handshake like everyone else, all small examples of what it's like as a black person in the corporate world. Heck I've had meetings visiting clients/advisors face to face for the first time, and having them go "You're black?! I could never tell over the phone, you're so articulate!".

It was great to hear similar stories nationally from colleagues throughout the country.

We spoke about having more diversity within leadership, as within my company on the executive side, it's a sea of white faces. Whether this is by choice or by circumstance, who knows. Hehe would say well "they're simply the best options", when that isn't true.

One part of "white privilege" is not necessarily racism, I highly doubt many of these people in those positions are actually racist. Racism can be subconscious in many ways. A factor we've highlighted is the bottleneck that occurs within our own subconscious bias. Meaning we tend to promote or hire within our own circle, regardless of merit. A company may want to diversify, but if your talent recruiters are white, and send you resumes of white applicants, or if that particular executive decides to hire from his own network of folks, that is where the bottleneck occurs. Hence simply being neutral on the subject will not address those particular bottlenecks.

Much of this is too nuanced and complex to discuss on a simple forum, but I must say I was happy to see such a large company take the uncomfortable measures to make this a topic of national discussion, and to attempt to address our deficiencies.

Can you explain why the people on the executive team are NOT “simply the best options”? Before you accuse me of being a white supremacist, I’m not white.

You mentioned that you work for a large multi-national corporation. I too work at a company with a global presence. From my experience and observation, the execs at that level have a ton of pressure to succeed. The likelihood of someone getting to an exec level without having the competence required is 0. You might be able to plug-in people into admin and entry level positions but you can’t fake it to a mid-level position. Forget exec positions.

It’s absolutely true that execs hire people from their professional circles but it’s 100% based on competence. People are very aware of who’s able to do the job and who can’t and no one is going to risk their reputation and company profits to hire a friend.

“Systemic racism” existed but no longer exists. There are no longer any laws that discriminate based on race. However, the previous existence of these laws still have a major impact on life today. This is one of the reasons white men are at the top of so many companies. They have the experience required to run these companies because minorities were kept 100 feet back in the race and are still playing catch-up. Not to mention, in the US 60% of the population is white while 13% are black.

So if you can’t plug in people into these high level positions and minorities often don’t have the expertise to run these companies, what do you do? That’s a great question and something I’d love to have a discussion about.

As for the people dumping on Hehe, are you suggesting that taking responsibility for yourself doesn’t work?

Human’s act. It’s undeniable. If you want to get out of bed you have to literally get off of the bed. If you want to get jacked you literally have to perform the lifts. There is an optimal way of doing things. If you want to optimize your physique you have to also optimize your diet. In the same token, if you want a better life for yourself you have to do the work necessary. You can bitch and complain that everyone’s holding you down but until you do the work nothing’s going to happen.

While it’s true that black people have gotten the short end of the stick throughout American history, you still have to rise above your circumstance. There’s no other way. You can revise the school system, change the welfare state, give reparations, and do everything else to bridge the gap but if you’re skipping school and selling drugs the likelihood of you succeeding diminishes rapidly. So beyond the societal shifts required, we need black people to also take responsibility for their lives. Y’all have been bashing Hehe for saying you have to take personal responsibility when that’s an ABSOLUTE FACT OF LIFE.

[Hehe]

The way I see it, growing up as a minority in countries where discrimination is high, is that if yourself take it as given. You take it as "this is how it is", blame on the system, on the society and never on yourself... you are done. You got beaten by the system.
I never gave up, and so was my family. My parents proved that they can make more money than any other parents in my class ever did, I proved that I can do better at school than my native-speakers friends ever did. The respect from my friends/teachers/PAC came after they realized they are messing with the wrong people.

Does it mean that our societal structure is already perfect and requires no adjustments? No. Far from it. And it's a continuos work.

But respects are earned, not given. You can NEVER ask for it because if it's forced upon, they might do it in the time being but only grown the problem bigger ("so the dude is black/yellow/brown/minority and gets a pass while I'm the majority I have to do extra hard?" Wait until you are the majority and see how that idea works for you)

Black athletes, for example, have shown their dominance in sports such as NFL, NBA... etc, do we EVER ask for a better proportion in the leagues' player composition so that people of other colors can have a better chance?

No, you go out and demonstrate that you can be BETTER, then people would give that respect to you. That's how NBA went from a white dominant league to a black dominant league; they are simply better. And in cutting edge competitive environment like the NBA or NFL, you either make it, or you don't. No one cares what color you are.

I'm against "for face" measurements that you simply handout that respect... no question asked, because of their color. That's not how it works. If the black community can contribute to the society, which I have ZERO DOUBT that they can, in the same way that everyone are contributing, I am sure the public idea, called it prejudice, bias... etc, would change as well. And that's what matters. The image that black community are portraying, that they are gangsters, criminals... etc (and the fact that many black celebrities promote on that) isn't what the black community needs.

Hence, starting from the basic, make it the norm of everyone else a norm to the black community. Sure we have fucked up cases in all colors, but that bound to happen regardless of race.

Yes, in a perfect world, no one needs to prove anything to anyone. But the REAL world is COMPETITIVE. You are either better, o par, or worse than someone else at something and that's how we progress as a society.

[68style]

SMH

https://youtu.be/tFJXM7iuLTk

Did you cheks the percentages mistuh prezadunt?

[westopher]

But respects are earned, not given.
Respect should be given to everyone until they deem themselves unworthy of it. Even when you deem someone unworthy of it, you should have the empathy to consider why they act like that before you are disrespectful. Being an asshole should be last resort, but you sound like you believe it should be expected until someone deems themselves worthy of your respect, which quite frankly, is shameful.

[Hehe]

Respect should be given to everyone until they deem themselves unworthy of it. Even when you deem someone unworthy of it, you should have the empathy to consider why they act like that before you are disrespectful. Being an asshole should be last resort, but you sound like you believe it should be expected until someone deems themselves worthy of your respect, which quite frankly, is shameful.

I'm not saying it's ok to discriminate someone until they are proven otherwise. Just neutral... no more, no less.

Respect is something that has a positive connotation. If people respect you for your skill at something, it's because you are good at something.

By your logic, you should get married with a chick you just met, then get a divorce until you don't see a way to work it out, because you respect her as a good wife from moment 0.

By your logic, if you were a business owner, you should hire anyone who says he can do the job until you can prove he can't.

By your logic, any pupil should be admitted into whatever school they want in and the school can kick them out when they feel they are unworthy.

That's NOT how our society works. Whenever you want to present as either a positive, or negative, evidence has to be presented.

I see anyone who applies a job I have listed as equal, I just talk to them and test them about the things I want them to be able to do and they HAVE to be able to prove it.

Same thing goes for negative; if I want to accuse someone of doing something illegal, I must first obtain evidence showing as such.

The BLM is asking that we should take more black people solely base on their race; not what their quality (as in MLK speech). That's WRONG AND DISCRIMINATIVE. They are arguing that White people get a pass just because their skin is white... and call that RACISM. So the best proposal of a solution they came up with was "now it's our turn to take a pass based on skin".

See the fucking irony in it?

[westopher]

Your comparisons are so fucking ridiculous.
Respect:
Due regard for the feelings, wishes, or rights of others.

[StylinRed]

Your comparisons are so fucking ridiculous.

Just leave him alone, he's a functioning idiot, we should be happy for that :lol

[Hehe]

Your comparisons are so fucking ridiculous.
Respect:
Due regard for the feelings, wishes, or rights of others.

I'm glad you admit my examples are ridiculous. But the only way my examples are ridiculous is because your previous post was "ridiculous" as I was following the EXACT logic of your previous post.

I see anyone, black, white, yellow, brown the same "Due regard for the feelings, wishes, or rights": he/she's a human being like me.

Again, no preference and no prejudice on anyone. Everyone is EQUAL.

For me to hire someone to work for me, he/she has to demonstrate that they got the skillset I need.

For me to like someone, he/she has to show something that I find admirable.

For me to believe in someone, he/she NEEDS to be able to convince me.

Just because he/she is BLACK, doesn't mean ANYTHING to me.

[westopher]

You literally don't even know the definition of respect, even when I spell it out for you. Giving someone a job, marrying someone, admission to schools, all require more than basic respect. Reread your post, maybe edit it to suit your new knowledge of the definition. Every time you are given any facts you just switch to a new argument. You aren't interested in solutions, you aren't interested in discussion. You are only interested in being the smartest person in the room, and it's not working.
I still haven't suggested just "giving a black guy a job", or "admission to Ivy League schools," or you to even "like them," yet you keep going back to arguing against suggestions that weren't even brought up.
You need to do some reading, far beyond this thread, like most of the other people that are talking in here. This isn't about your life experiences, or mine. Quite frankly neither of them mean shit in this. Acknowledge that and maybe you will provide some useful insight.

[Hehe]

I read enough... news/books written from both left and right medias/perspective, domestic and foreign in 3 different languages (Chinese/English/Spanish) to derive my decision. I'm not currently working much due to Covid19 and spend much of my free time reading. I'd go as far as saying it's EXTREMELY rare to find people who reads more than I do as it's a habit I developed early in life. Even less so when consider very few I know are tri-lingual at the level of proficiency I'm in and I read materials in all these languages

And FYI, I did look up the definition before my prior post. Was going to comment on you were missing some part of it but decided against to talk on that regard as you wanted to make a point.

But here you go


1.
a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.
"the director had a lot of respect for Douglas as an actor"
Similar:
esteem
regard
high regard
high opinion
acclaim
admiration
approbation
approval
appreciation
estimation
favor
popularity
recognition
veneration
awe
reverence
deference
honor
praise
homage
Opposite:
contempt
2.
due regard for the feelings, wishes, rights, or traditions of others.
"young people's lack of respect for their parents"
Similar:
due regard
consideration
thoughtfulness
attentiveness
politeness
courtesy
civility
deference
Opposite:
disrespect


That's the dictionary definition of the word respect.

Please ENLIGHTEN me that any part of there DOESN'T match what I've just said.

I CONTINUOUSLY want to talk about viable solutions AND things that we really NEED to figure out before we write to our local representatives (oh, just in case you didn't know, yes... people do that, or at least I'm one of those) so we can PUSH for a solution.

What do I get in return? Continuos bashing that my way don't work, that I lack of understanding of the whole situation, that I'm basing everything in my own experience.

I consider myself okay smart... I learn shits in life similar to other people and have had relative success in life both socially and financially. Plus, I spent easily hundreds if not thousands of hours of reading about racial issues as I AM a victim of such and a huge admirer of MLK. I figure that my ability to understand is easily as good as anyone else is.

After all that... what I came to conclude is that it's NOT the society who failed the black community, it's the vast majority of black community who decided to fail on their own people.

Why do they adore the gangster image? NO other race that I know off have such a commonplace admiration toward criminals. Do they have any psychological fear that makes them to pursue that "I'm tough" image? Because I don't know about you, many of the black men I know are some pumped mofos that you wouldn't want to mess with regardless if you've seen their skin color.

Even if that's the case, then let's find a solution... what's the point of trauma and how to solve it?

You guys keep talking like you are some fucking saint. That "oh... if we defund the police, the police would start making sure they pay the respect black people need. And police wouldn't be hurting or killing black people"

Why THE FUCK can't we just discuss something that would actually MAKE a DIFFERENCE in their life?

I really don't... what exactly is the agenda here? Why can't it be that ALL LIVES MATTER? Why is it that if a black person is killed by a black people don't get any attention (which btw, represents the VAST majority of black homicide EVERY YEAR)

The only reasoning I get is that it doesn't fit the narrative here. But Why such a narrative? Why can't this narrative be wrong and corrected/adjusted?

If this narrative is what it can only matter, I'm going to suggest the following, it doesn't make any sense... but if my personal racism experience and other minorities don't make sense (hence my opinions about it based on my experience), this would be even sillier:

If YOU ARE WHITE, GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS THREAD.

What do whites know about discrimination and racism in western society? You can't possibly come close to understand it if you NEVER have a chance to experience it.

[winson604]

I respect your opinions but can we just get the fuck off of this back and forth. I also respect if you tell me to get the fuck out of the thread if I don't want to read this shit too #respect

[mikemhg]

Yawn, you're like a broken record Hehe.

You keep parroting the same points, putting forth ideas that not one person in this thread has said.

You do realize the Civil Rights Act was only passed in 1964, correct? You do realize the slow moving ship that is our society, correct?

You mentioned black athletes in the NFL, and how should we should level the playing field for whites.

You do realize that black athletes weren't even allowed to play as quarterbacks up until 1968, and for decades there were little to no black quarterbacks due to inherent racism in the fact that blacks were considered "too stupid to play as quarterback". That sentiment continued for decades thereafter, and even to this day.

It's only recently that NFL teams have slowly pulled their head out of their collective asses and recognized the talent, and have allowed black players to play as QB, and lead a team.

Was the NFL not conducting a form of "affirmative action" for white players in that regard? Heck, the NFL still continues to barely allow blacks to coach teams, and are constantly relegated to assistant positions, meanwhile promoting white coaches with lesser abilities and acumen.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/31/sports/football/rooney-rule-nfl-coach.html

So thanks for mentioning that example, it fits perfectly into my narrative here. This is a perfect example of white affirmative action, none of this is a meritocracy.

Further to this, athletics are quite cut and dry, it's clear who is the best athlete, it's very difficult to simply put someone in a position based on their race, you either run fast or you don't, analytically that can be measured quite clearly. When we are talking about leadership roles, or roles of power and the nepotism involved with such within the corporate world, it is much more difficult to ascertain in terms of who is the most capable.

Where is your concern and issue with white affirmative action? Why does affirmative action for blacks bother you so much more? Why is it when affirmative action is made for whites, you have no problem with that? Once again, you are talking as if blacks and whites in America began at the same starting line, when there are countless examples of basic historical facts to the contrary of that.

If we're running a 200M race, and you start at the 100M mark, I don't care how amazing my talents are, I will never beat you, I will never catch up.

When we are talking about addressing diversity, we aren't talking about promoting or hiring substandard or lesser talent, we are talking about addressing our own human bias, recognizing that bias, being cognizant of that, and enacting initiatives to accommodate the problem.

It's quite telling and fascinating that you have such a deep problem with that, it shows the type of person you are.

Also, why can't white people post in this thread? We need their dialog, we need their support, it makes no sense to state that they should not discuss this topic constructively, and to be a part of it.

You can stop the grandstanding and braggadocios tone as well, it's not endearing, it's quite gross, to be honest with you.

[Hehe]

Changes takes time.... EXACTLY!!!

Thus, can we just stop talking all these AMAZING GRAND VISION you guys have?

I am sure talking about that making you guys feel great. Making you guys feel that you are MAKING A DIFFERENCE.

However, the way I see it... let's cut the bullshit and get to something.

What we want is find a SOLUTION. Not prententious ideologies that sounds great on paper. Or someone throwing a great speech about how great black can be.

You know what also sounds great on paper? Communism. It's really the perfect WORLD. Everyone do what they do, and we all SHARE the fruit of the communal work.

How that turned out in practice? Nowhere.

I think after running my own business, I became very result-oriented. You wanna talk the talk, fine... but show me how to walk the walk. I'm tired of reading whether it's comments from RSers or the materials that you guys share that keeps doing that... Talk..

What did defunding police do to the society? Let's not even talk the division it caused in the grand scheme of things, just the practical part.

How did Seattle's CHOP/CHAZ do? Did it turn into the amazing paradise protestors thought to be? Oh... I'm sorry... it was a fucking shithole where many people died in it.

Minneapolis/Minnesota as a whole let the protest, rioting, looting going with lil suppression... now the governor is asking 500M from Federal gov't to pay for all the damages?!? I'm like... are you fucking kidding me? The governor decided to let it rotten all because "it's meaningful protest". And they want EVERYONE to pay for the mess?

I said the "white shouldn't be here" part because some people need to STOP pretending that they understand what's going on. They are just voicing because it's "the cool thing to do". And when you ask "so... what exactly do you propose that we do to solve this?".... don't quote anything anywhere... just an idea.... what you get is some stupid comments or dead silence.

I said it before, I am a strong believer of ABCs (Antecedents, Behaviour and Consequences) and they are scientific based methods that proven to work. You need to address all 3 at the same time in order for something to be effective. Defunding the police... it's a Consequence-driven solution: stop police from killing black dudes, we stop all police who dares to touch black people.

Giving black people more access to good schools/works... a Behaviour-driven solution. But it doesn't guarantee the majority would have the desire consequence... if a black student didn't want to go to school because it was shitty... and suddenly you throw him into the BEST school in the city and he'd want to start working hard?!? What kind of fucked up logic is that?

What I proposed was, most families in black communities, especially poor ones are single moms. They are incentivized to be a single mom because the social benefit applies to them and NOT as a married couple. (Antecedent), thus the mom usually needs to work, leaving very little time to care for her kids (Behaviour) and thus they end up with low education, low income and the cycle continues (Consequence).

If you change that... so that we incentivize regular family structure instead of single moms. (A), and parents now have more time with kids (as they no longer have to take long hours or multiple jobs) for their upbringing (B) and also give incentive for poor black neighbourhood's kids to do better and better at school (again, A), the kids would study harder or generally stay out of trouble (now, B)... and finally reaching a C... where one generation at the time, we take the black community out of poverty, little by little.

That's what I propose. Noot saying that it's the ONLY idea that works... but it's an idea that can make a difference.

So far, I have yet to read anything you guys are saying that take all 3 points into consideration... you just give the fish... the fishing baits and equipment and think they'd figure out how to fish by themselves? It doesn't work that way. Even less so when you just keep throwing shits on the wall and hope one will stick.

[Nlkko]

If we're running a 200M race, and you start at the 100M mark, I don't care how amazing my talents are, I will never beat you, I will never catch up.



Forget the 100M mark. Try the 201M.

Imagine playing 400 rounds of monopoly:

- Blacks build wealth for whites via slavery at plantations.
- Blacks are not allowed to possess any wealth.
- Civil War: Blacks gain "freedom" on paper.
- Every steps of the way, whenever blacks built their own self-sustained prosperous communities, whites come in and burnt them to the ground. Learn your history: Tulsa Massacre, Rosewood Massacre.
- Every steps of the way, blacks children are murdered, raped, until this day, in 2020, they are still being executed in broad daylight not phased by multiple eyewitnesses.

How can blacks catch up?

Now, imagine after those 400 rounds, all they ask for is equality. Not revenge. Not repayment. Only to be treated equal, only for whites to start playing fairly.

If your ancestors are immigrants, and your asses are pushing these nonsensical rhetoric, know this: your fathers, grandfathers or great grandfathers, were once nothing more than a pack of slant-eyed rats jumping on ships to infest the great United States of America. Don't think too highly of yourselves, because you're still, to this day, a slant-eyed rat in these people's eyes. You aint one of them, ninjas. Your children will never be one of them.

[6793026]

There are white people... who acknowledge there might be white privileges... He was born into it, but what they can't comprehend is... what can I do? Do you want me to sell all my shit, do you want me to sell my car?? what do you want...

I respect *____ insert any culture, but having you stand in front of my face saying I should feel guilty, ashamed... that's a bit over the line.

[SkinnyPupp]

Things are getting fucked up in Portland

https://twitter.com/dburbach/status/1283936410043637763

[Hehe]

Forget the 100M mark. Try the 201M.

Imagine playing 400 rounds of monopoly:

- Blacks build wealth for whites via slavery at plantations.
- Blacks are not allowed to possess any wealth.
- Civil War: Blacks gain "freedom" on paper.
- Every steps of the way, whenever blacks built their own self-sustained prosperous communities, whites come in and burnt them to the ground. Learn your history: Tulsa Massacre, Rosewood Massacre.
- Every steps of the way, blacks children are murdered, raped, until this day, in 2020, they are still being executed in broad daylight not phased by multiple eyewitnesses.

How can blacks catch up?

Now, imagine after those 400 rounds, all they ask for is equality. Not revenge. Not repayment. Only to be treated equal, only for whites to start playing fairly.

If your ancestors are immigrants, and your asses are pushing these nonsensical rhetoric, know this: your fathers, grandfathers or great grandfathers, were once nothing more than a pack of slant-eyed rats jumping on ships to infest the great United States of America. Don't think too highly of yourselves, because you're still, to this day, a slant-eyed rat in these people's eyes. You aint one of them, ninjas. Your children will never be one of them.

You are saying this as this is a zero-sum game. If the white takes it, black and all the other minorities can't have it.

The fact is plenty of people, white, black or others who made their wealth well after slavery times and never in their life or family relied on anything created by slavery.

If you want to talk about everything that the black slave built and how generations after could benefit from it, what about the Chinese who built the vast majority of railroad networks in America? Should they be part of reparation?

Before pointing the fingers out asking what others have done... ask yourself one question, what have you done?

[SkinnyPupp]

Vancouver city council passes motion to ‘decriminalize poverty’ (https://globalnews.ca/news/7224319/vancouver-city-council-passes-motion-to-de-criminalize-poverty/)

Council’s next step will be to ask staff to come up with a with a plan, timeline and budget to “deprioritize policing as a response to mental health, sex work, homelessness, and substance use and to prioritize funding community-led harm reduction.”

[Manic!]

You are saying this as this is a zero-sum game. If the white takes it, black and all the other minorities can't have it.

The fact is plenty of people, white, black or others who made their wealth well after slavery times and never in their life or family relied on anything created by slavery.

If you want to talk about everything that the black slave built and how generations after could benefit from it, what about the Chinese who built the vast majority of railroad networks in America? Should they be part of reparation?

Before pointing the fingers out asking what others have done... ask yourself one question, what have you done?


I guess blacks should feel lucky they didn't have to pay for transportation or a head tax to get into North America as the Chinese did.

[Hehe]

I guess blacks should feel lucky they didn't have to pay for transportation or a head tax to get into North America as the Chinese did.

It's not even about what happened. It's about the given context and the future.

Lefties and BLMs are finding all sort of BS to fill the narrative, and to promote hate (against other races) and chaos.

But as soon as you start generalizing their ideologies onto every other race, like the Chinese, or First Nation... their argument starts to fell apart. And that's why they don't want any other "different" voices like ALM because they know their argument defies all common senses if you start applying across the board.

That doesn't help the black communities... I'm sorry... it only helps the Dems.

It's funny that the black community vote Dems... as Dems seem to care about the race thing once every 4yrs.

[Manic!]

It's not even about what happened. It's about the given context and the future.

Lefties and BLMs are finding all sort of BS to fill the narrative, and to promote hate (against other races) and chaos.

But as soon as you start generalizing their ideologies onto every other race, like the Chinese, or First Nation... their argument starts to fell apart. And that's why they don't want any other "different" voices like ALM because they know their argument defies all common senses if you start applying across the board.

That doesn't help the black communities... I'm sorry... it only helps the Dems.

It's funny that the black community vote Dems... as Dems seem to care about the race thing once every 4yrs.

And maga loves the blacks.

[Hehe]

And maga loves the blacks.

At least they don’t pretend to care only for the vote like the dems.

It’s worse, if dems pretend to care and actually work on some save the face proposals, I’d take that.

They pretend to care, and mask their proposal in a way so that these black voters would always be dependent of them. Their social programs was never designed to get black out of poverty. They are designed so they lose any motivation to get out of it and dems can continue to keep control over their votes.

[welfare]

https://youtu.be/Ev373c7wSRg

[birddog3k]

Is there anyone here who can explain what exactly BLM wants to do? It's pretty obvious they want people to vote Democrat considering that what their top 3 goals suggest. Besides that, everything else is just buzz words. For example, I don't know what "Racial Injustice" means. Also, they don't mention any specific actions they want to undertake to achieve said goals.

Campaign Goals

1. Vigorously engage our communities in the electoral process:

Millions of Black Americans are repressed within the democratic process, yet data shows Black voters tipped the balance in the 2018 midterm elections. Moving towards 2020, we seek to increase the power of our voices and votes.

2. Educate our constituents about candidates and the issues that impact us most:

We will amplify and do a deep dive into the issues that affect our communities most and hold our candidates accountable on these issues.

3. Promote voter registration among Generation Z, the Black community, and our allies:

Demographic shifts means that in the 2020 election, non-whites will account for a third of voters and one in ten voters will be members of Generation Z. We will encourage and provide resources for those seeking to vote.

BLM’s #WhatMatters2020 will focus on the following issues:

Racial Injustice
Police Brutality
Criminal Justice Reform
Black Immigration
Economic Injustice
LGBTQIA+ and Human Rights
Environmental Conditions
Voting Rights & Suppression
Healthcare
Government Corruption
Education
Commonsense Gun Laws

[mikemhg]

Is there anyone here who can explain what exactly BLM wants to do? It's pretty obvious they want people to vote Democrat considering that what their top 3 goals suggest. Besides that, everything else is just buzz words. For example, I don't know what "Racial Injustice" means. Also, they don't mention any specific actions they want to undertake to achieve said goals.

You've posted this countless times in this thread.

You do realize that BLM is not a monolith right? There are different BLM movements in each city and state, along with combined overarching goals. Each city carries its own issues, thus each BLM party carries various goals and objectives.

If you actually put in some research instead of simply trolling and attempting to incite an argument, you could easily answer your question.

Here is a full breakdown of some of the demands:

https://www.npr.org/local/305/2020/06/09/872859084/here-s-what-black-lives-matter-d-c-is-calling-for-and-where-the-city-stands

https://www.acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2020/06/18/explainer-what-does-black-lives-matter-believe

The above is all fully laid out and available for you, wasn't that hard was it? You can also search agenda items for BLM Toronto, DC, Detroit, etc as well to see their specific goals.

[birddog3k]

You've posted this countless times in this thread.

You do realize that BLM is not a monolith right? There are different BLM movements in each city and state, along with combined overarching goals. Each city carries its own issues, thus each BLM party carries various goals and objectives.

If you actually put in some research instead of simply trolling and attempting to incite an argument, you could easily answer your question.

Here is a full breakdown of some of the demands:

https://www.npr.org/local/305/2020/06/09/872859084/here-s-what-black-lives-matter-d-c-is-calling-for-and-where-the-city-stands

https://www.acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2020/06/18/explainer-what-does-black-lives-matter-believe

The above is all fully laid out and available for you, wasn't that hard was it? You can also search agenda items for BLM Toronto, DC, Detroit, etc as well to see their specific goals.


I understand there are BLM chapters in every city but I’d like to discuss the overarching goals on the website, not for any particular city.

Because we are in a public forum I’d like to hear from the individuals here about those issues, not read a bunch of websites. If I have questions, I’m not going to email the writer whereas here I can just ask away. And of course I’m trying to incite an argument, that’s what a public forum if for is it not? I’m talking about arguments in a philosophical sense, not the typical arguments we have here.

Not:

A: I think this.
B: Troll.

But more along the lines:

A: I think this.
B: That is incorrect due to this and this.
A: But what about this?
B: This covers that.
A: Oh that makes sense, thanks!

Here are some issues from the link you provided:


BLM proudly proclaims its belief that all black Americans should receive a guaranteed minimum income and “free” healthcare, schooling, food, real estate, gender reassignment surgery, and abortion; bring an “an end to all jails” as we know them; disrupt the traditional family; demand reparations on behalf of foreign nations; and form a “global liberation movement” that will “overturn US imperialism [and] capitalism.”


That paragraph seems insane upon first read. The idea seems to be that capitalism = BAD and needs to be overturned. To what? Based on the paragraph, some sort of socialist system where the government provides everything but in this case, only for black people. I guess the rest of us can enjoy higher taxes and cost of living while black people will get all the free stuff. Thoughts?

[Hondaracer]

I know Joe Rogan is a trigger to some people but his podcast with Brett Weinstein is quite good analyzing some of these points regarding BLM coming from an academic point of view

His main problem with BLM is that it’s a headless/Leaderless movement essentially which is only addressing really superficial wounds as opposed to the main underlying problems which could make create actual change. In the same discussion he also goes fairly in depth into his opinion as to why defunding the police is the wrong way to approach things but something obviously has to be done in terms of restructuring etc.

[Manic!]

That paragraph seems insane upon first read. The idea seems to be that capitalism = BAD and needs to be overturned. To what? Based on the paragraph, some sort of socialist system where the government provides everything but in this case, only for black people. I guess the rest of us can enjoy higher taxes and cost of living while black people will get all the free stuff. Thoughts?

No that's Startrek. Ever watch it.

Also LOL for liking your own post.

[Hehe]

That paragraph seems insane upon first read. The idea seems to be that capitalism = BAD and needs to be overturned. To what? Based on the paragraph, some sort of socialist system where the government provides everything but in this case, only for black people. I guess the rest of us can enjoy higher taxes and cost of living while black people will get all the free stuff. Thoughts?

The BLM proponents in this thread are just about as insane as the paragraph you quoted.

Anything and anyone against BLM is troll/racist/privileged people who can never understand the suffering.

Deep down, they truly believe that by supporting this cause, they are being the good guy.

I've raised many times about discussing an actual fair and constructive way forward... they treat it as I'm against BLM, because BLM is not subject to question or discussion, so I'm troll/racist/privileged.

There is no good or bad. That's why I never felt upset about the stuff they say against me. It's just frustrating that we can't stop for a moment, ignore the hype or narrative created by BLM and actually focus on a potential solution toward the problem. Nop... if you aren't pro-BLM, they aren't interested in anything you say.

[StylinRed]

Don't take the bait guys

[Xu.Vi]

Don't take the bait guys

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[welfare]

Don't take the bait guys

Sound advice.
Wouldn't want to fall into a discussion with someone whose views don't align directly with yours.

[Digitalis]

Peaceful protest! https://assets.infowars.com/2020/06/GettyImages-1011149046.jpg

[Manic!]

Peaceful protest! https://assets.infowars.com/2020/06/GettyImages-1011149046.jpg

That's to block the tear gas and pepper balls.

https://mobile.twitter.com/its_willyu/status/1288679475366912000

[GLOW]

i'm sure this guy wished he had it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-XbpbDJmmY

[Manic!]

Portland protests June 1st. i wonder what changed from then to now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWA4aIAWsy0

[Digitalis]

I'm talking about the hammer and sickle communist logos numbnuts.
Looks like it's russian collusion after all
That's to block the tear gas and pepper balls.

https://mobile.twitter.com/its_willyu/status/1288679475366912000

[StylinRed]

Sound advice.
Wouldn't want to fall into a discussion with someone whose views don't align directly with yours.

Bait is bait regardless /shrug
As for hehe that'd be beating a dead horse and dealing with his circular reasoning
aka wasting time

by your logic we should be actively keeping up discussion with Charles in Charge

[welfare]

Portland protests June 1st. i wonder what changed from then to now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWA4aIAWsy0


Antifa rioters violently attacking people, burning, and destroying the city day after day?

[welfare]

Bait is bait regardless /shrug
As for hehe that'd be beating a dead horse and dealing with his circular reasoning
aka wasting time

by your logic we should be actively keeping up discussion with Charles in Charge

No. That's not what I'm saying.
You're under no obligation to respond to anyone's posts here. But to label them as 'bait', as if for nothing beyond trolling, is just disingenuous.

[StylinRed]

No. That's not what I'm saying.
You're under no obligation to respond to anyone's posts here. But to label them as 'bait', as if for nothing beyond trolling, is just disingenuous.

The BLM proponents in this thread are just about as insane as the paragraph you quoted

Yeah it's really disingenuous to label that as bait lmfao

[Bouncing Bettys]

No. That's not what I'm saying.
You're under no obligation to respond to anyone's posts here. But to label them as 'bait', as if for nothing but trolling, is just disingenuous.
Hehe isn't anything like CiC. Agree with him or not, he at least has his own premises, logic, and conclusions, without massive leaps or gaps.

We have just one admitted troll in our midst in Manic. On top of that he agrees with and participates in cancel culture and doxxing. Just hope he doesn't target anyone here someday. Yet people here still give him the time of day.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Yeah it's really disingenuous to label that as bait lmfao
I must have skimmed over that comment. I don't condone it or any of the personal insults and insinuated physical intimidation and violence littered throughout this thread and others on here.

[Manic!]

Antifa rioters violently attacking people, burning, and destroying the city day after day?

So I guess your pro fascist? How many people has Antifa killed?

[Manic!]

We have just one admitted troll in our midst in Manic. On top of that he agrees with and participates in cancel culture and doxxing. Just hope he doesn't target anyone here someday. Yet people here still give him the time of day.

So let me get this straight you are afraid of people online knowing who you are in real life? Seriously?

[Hehe]

Yeah it's really disingenuous to label that as bait lmfao

Not sure if trolling...

But I was referring to the insanity of the quote, which was to give handout to black people no question asked. As long as they are black... that's all it matters.

The insanity of some BLM proponent is the same logic. If you are not saying something pro-BLM, then it's racist, trolling or downright fucked up.

Where is the logic? Insanity is a mental state of irrationality. And in both cases above... I fail to see any rationale in them. For them, there's only ONE voice. If you are going to doubt, to question or to just simply debate about that voice... you are racist, trolling or downright fucked up.

I'm sorry... that's the state of BLM, regardless of region right now. If you are pro-BLM... then anything goes... if you are going to question about it, however slightly, you are bashed to hell.

The only explanation I can reasonably conclude is very simple, given all the information we have, they can't allow different voices... much like the CCP in China. Because given enough disturbance, the whole thing can come crashing down. Therefore to avoid that to happen, they have to silence any and all comments contrary to what they say.

[birddog3k]

Not sure if trolling...

But I was referring to the insanity of the quote, which was to give handout to black people no question asked. As long as they are black... that's all it matters.

The insanity of some BLM proponent is the same logic. If you are not saying something pro-BLM, then it's racist, trolling or downright fucked up.

Where is the logic? Insanity is a mental state of irrationality. And in both cases above... I fail to see any rationale in them. For them, there's only ONE voice. If you are going to doubt, to question or to just simply debate about that voice... you are racist, trolling or downright fucked up.

I'm sorry... that's the state of BLM, regardless of region right now. If you are pro-BLM... then anything goes... if you are going to question about it, however slightly, you are bashed to hell.

The only explanation I can reasonably conclude is very simple, given all the information we have, they can't allow different voices... much like the CCP in China. Because given enough disturbance, the whole thing can come crashing down. Therefore to avoid that to happen, they have to silence any and all comments contrary to what they say.

You hit the nail on the head.

I think the "if you're not with us, you're against us" attitude is due to the high stakes currently in play. There's an election in November and they're trying to do everything they can to get as much hype around their narrative. Any narrative that criticizes the current message is seen as an attack no matter how much reason and logic is used. Any criticism is considered pro-Trump. Watch Terry Crews on CNN as a great example.

Although it's an election in the US, the whole world is watching as evidenced by BLM protests here but also all over Europe - this is definitely strange. How were they able to organize so many protests in so many cities? Where's the funding coming from? Who is George Soros? Doesn't matter. All that matters is the narrative.

Also, I totally understand why most people here won't criticize BLM in any way. This forum is filled with people who have been active for over a decade, many active for almost 2 decades. I'm certain many people have met up in person. You're not going to risk the reputation you built up over all these years and risk being called a racist because even if it's not true, you can't defend yourself. There's too much risk in speaking the truth because the truth is currently the enemy. There's also been social currency built over time and any criticism of BLM will force you out of the group. There's safety in groups.

[Manic!]

Have to ask people on the right do blue lives matter or are the police corrupt?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjxatZIus_o

[CivicBlues]

Although it's an election in the US, the whole world is watching as evidenced by BLM protests here but also all over Europe - this is definitely strange. How were they able to organize so many protests in so many cities? Where's the funding coming from? Who is George Soros? Doesn't matter. All that matters is the narrative.



CiC is that you? :lol

[SkinnyPupp]

I like how people being protested against only think protests happen when there's "funding" and not just the fact that people are fed up with shit and are moving up from speaking out about it.

[Hehe]

I like how people being protested against only think protests happen when there's "funding" and not just the fact that people are fed up with shit and are moving up from speaking out about it.

Is being able to get some freebies a valid reason? :ifyouknow:

[mikemhg]

I know Joe Rogan is a trigger to some people but his podcast with Brett Weinstein is quite good analyzing some of these points regarding BLM coming from an academic point of view

His main problem with BLM is that it’s a headless/Leaderless movement essentially which is only addressing really superficial wounds as opposed to the main underlying problems which could make create actual change. In the same discussion he also goes fairly in depth into his opinion as to why defunding the police is the wrong way to approach things but something obviously has to be done in terms of restructuring etc.

BLM is headless and leaderless for a reason. Want to know why?

2 reasons.

The last leader of a major black movement was killed.

Secondly, we live in the world of cancel culture, where your history can be forensically analyzed to which you can be discredited to whatever means or goal. It's a method that's been used in countless times in order to destroy the leader of a movement.

BLM's whole mentality is to avoid that problem by keeping the movement leaderless, thus avoiding any discrediting of the objective in mind.

It's actually quite smart.

[mikemhg]

You hit the nail on the head.

I think the "if you're not with us, you're against us" attitude is due to the high stakes currently in play. There's an election in November and they're trying to do everything they can to get as much hype around their narrative. Any narrative that criticizes the current message is seen as an attack no matter how much reason and logic is used. Any criticism is considered pro-Trump. Watch Terry Crews on CNN as a great example.

Although it's an election in the US, the whole world is watching as evidenced by BLM protests here but also all over Europe - this is definitely strange. How were they able to organize so many protests in so many cities? Where's the funding coming from? Who is George Soros? Doesn't matter. All that matters is the narrative.

Also, I totally understand why most people here won't criticize BLM in any way. This forum is filled with people who have been active for over a decade, many active for almost 2 decades. I'm certain many people have met up in person. You're not going to risk the reputation you built up over all these years and risk being called a racist because even if it's not true, you can't defend yourself. There's too much risk in speaking the truth because the truth is currently the enemy. There's also been social currency built over time and any criticism of BLM will force you out of the group. There's safety in groups.

George Soros? :lol Oh god.

Guess you believe in QAnon too?

You like to come in here and ask a question, I answer it, and you ignore it. I've asked you numerous questions in which you continue to ignore as well.

So let me pose a question to you, what do you propose to this issue?

Clearly there is a major problem here that has galvanized hundreds of thousands of people throughout the country, and world for that matter.

So what do you propose? Business as usual? What would be an eventual outcome that you would agree with whether policy or action wise? BLM isn't going away, nor is this movement. You do realize when putting forth change, you aim for the stars, but only get the moon.

Demands are meant to push the boundaries in order to come to some proverbial middle ground.

So what do you propose? I'm all ears.

[JD¹³]

I wasn't going to weigh in on this thread because the amount of virtue-signalling and posters putting words and thoughts in to others mouths/heads to do so is absolutely gross. However...

Ref the subject of BLM - I see a lot of problems with this organization. And I mean the ORGANIZATION, not the statement that the lives of visible minorities matter. BLM has a lot of explaining to do in regards to where the millions of dollars of donations are going. They have released no financials and are deflective and intentionally vague about it. By their own account on their website under Resource Reports they released a fluff piece on their four year anniversary detailing the work they've done. A report now three years out of date details exactly ZERO specific financials and their actions and campaigns have added up to organizing marches and illegally occupying police stations, city halls, and park encampments. Oh and they paid bail money to get some imprisoned black mothers out of jail. You can read it for yourself here: https://blacklivesmatter.com/resource-category/reports

As far as I can see nowhere does it state they've used the millions of dollars they've been raising for 7+ years now to subsidize childcare in their communities, nowhere does BLM claim to have assisted children, teens, or young adults with education costs, nowhere has BLM donated to or opened a food bank in a neighbourhood that's struggling. In fact BLM doesn't appear to or even claim on their own behalf to be doing anything of intrinsic value for their brick and mortar communities at all!

Black Lives Matter does have a Managing Director, her name is Kailee Scales. During a Reddit AMA when people were grilling her on what BLM was actually doing with the money she responded with "Right now, our programs are focused on civic engagement, expansion of chapters, Arts & Culture, organizing and digital advocacy resources and tools." That's a nice way of saying they're professional political activists and protestors. BLM has repeatedly ignored requests for financial information from accredited news outlets.

And for an organization that's doing all this anti-racism work where is the accountability for racism in their own ranks? Toronto BLM Chapter Co-Founder has made repeated brutally racist statements such as "white ppl are recessive genetic defects. this is factual". Don't believe me? Google her: Yusra Khogali. She's just one of many in the BLM organization that are preaching more hate not unity.

So I'm all for equality, peaceful protest, and raising awareness against racism, but Black Lives Matter the organization doesn't have my support. I hope and wish people would think critically about what these organizations are really doing.

EDIT - Should add that if they've done the things I've listed and I haven't seen it then that's great and I'm supportive. I didn't scour the deepest corners of the internet looking for evidence of it. You'd think if they had, it would be in their own websites literature or those pesky financial statement things.

[Hehe]

BLM is headless and leaderless for a reason. Want to know why?

2 reasons.

The last leader of a major black movement was killed.

Secondly, we live in the world of cancel culture, where your history can be forensically analyzed to which you can be discredited to whatever means or goal. It's a method that's been used in countless times in order to destroy the leader of a movement.

BLM's whole mentality is to avoid that problem by keeping the movement leaderless, thus avoiding any discrediting of the objective in mind.

It's actually quite smart.

What about actually caring for black lives?

Why isn't BLM addressing the major source of black homicide? Easy... because it doesn't fit the narratives of white vs. black. The vast majority of black homicide are... you guess it... by black. You can't inflict HATE when the narrative is against your own people.

Why do donations to BLM turn into funding for Democrats instead of going to programs or entities that actually provide some form of care to the black community? Easy, BLM is a POLITICAL movement that its sole purpose was to prompt a sensitive group (toward "racism") to support a party disguised as a "cause".

What has Democrats done to the black community? If you go back and read, most of laws that basically suppress the black people (tough on crime? subsidy to "SINGLE" moms... etc) are drafted by Democrats. The 194 tough on crime law was partially penned by BIDEN himself.

BLM doesn't CARE about black people. They are just trying to sustain a narrative that can push voters toward Dems. If suddenly BLM supporters turn Republican, you'd see that Dems wouldn't want ANYTHING to do with BLM.

BLM claims that they are fighting for the RACIAL injustice. The fact is, THEY are the racist. See their proposals... everything is about do this for black, give that to black... they have ZERO interest in solving racism. All they care about is to propose something borderline BRIBE to the black community so that black voters can vote for the party they want them to vote.

I've said many times before and I'd say it again... don't just read... question about it... dig deep into it. Ask yourself WHY are they doing it this way and WHY not the other way. Only then draw your own conclusion.

The saddest part I feel for people supporting BLM is that they are being used as puppets or pawns... and they don't know it. Many of them TRULY believe that they are making the of society better... when in fact, they are just another piece in the political power fight game.

[mikemhg]

JD13 you just proved my point why BLM does not try to carry a singular leader. A tweet can complete de-legitimize an entire movement. The person you're mentioning was touting an esoteric view in regards to melanin totals (or lack there of) in relation to empathy. It's the same theory Nick Cannon was recently cancelled for.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/yusra-khogali-twitter-the-star-1.3529105

This is exactly how it goes, a tweet or comment is pulled from a person within a movement, and the entire movement is then attempted to be destroyed.

She posted that in 2016, and she's a young woman, we've all said stupid crap in our lives, that does not mean the entire movement is false, that's absolutely ridiculous.

You also mention where the money is going, another dog whistle. Why is it when a black organization is put together, Conservatives like yourself want to know where each penny is going? Do you ever inquire where each dollar is placed with the Canadian Cancer Society, UNICEF, or the myriad of other organizations out there that accept donations? I completely agree with accountability on a financial basis, but why is your ire only pointed at BLM?

You are a professed Conservative Party supporter, you still support them as a party, yet you seem to have no issue with Andrew Sheer using campaign dollars to spend on his children's schooling, among other items.

You're a gun guy, do you ask where NRA donations are going? Do you support the NRA?

There is no evidence to support that BLM has spent money on paying protesters, that is a tired right-wing argument that has been used for years here. In fact that very theory has been fact checked, as it was also alleged that donations simply go to the DNC:

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/donations-to-black-lives-matter-group-dont-go-to-dnc/

You do realize these are all age old tactics and attempts to remove validity from the organization and movement. Do I know where BLM donations are going entirely? No. Have I donated to BLM? I have not. The issue you are raising is really the economic issue with charities and non-profit organization writ large, they are generally administrative black-holes, that tend to grow so large in structure that the majority of funds end up being siphoned to run the organization itself. This is nothing new.

I don't see anyone virtue signaling in this thread, that's a pretty ignorant thing to say. Most posts here have been well-thought and articulately written by folks involved, it appears to me that these posters legitimately care about the cause, or why would we be posting to 37 pages on this very subject?

Black Lives Matter is a statement, it's an idea, that's what this thread was originally discussing, and not the financial structure of the numerous organizations that have been amassed together to push various causes.

If that's the case, we'd find fault in every charity or organized movement under the sun here.

[mikemhg]

What about actually caring for black lives?

Why isn't BLM addressing the major source of black homicide? Easy... because it doesn't fit the narratives of white vs. black. The vast majority of black homicide are... you guess it... by black. You can't inflict HATE when the narrative is against your own people.

Why do donations to BLM turn into funding for Democrats instead of going to programs or entities that actually provide some form of care to the black community? Easy, BLM is a POLITICAL movement that its sole purpose was to prompt a sensitive group (toward "racism") to support a party disguised as a "cause".

What has Democrats done to the black community? If you go back and read, most of laws that basically suppress the black people (tough on crime? subsidy to "SINGLE" moms... etc) are drafted by Democrats. The 194 tough on crime law was partially penned by BIDEN himself.

BLM doesn't CARE about black people. They are just trying to sustain a narrative that can push voters toward Dems. If suddenly BLM supporters turn Republican, you'd see that Dems wouldn't want ANYTHING to do with BLM.

BLM claims that they are fighting for the RACIAL injustice. The fact is, THEY are the racist. See their proposals... everything is about do this for black, give that to black... they have ZERO interest in solving racism. All they care about is to propose something borderline BRIBE to the black community so that black voters can vote for the party they want them to vote.

I've said many times before and I'd say it again... don't just read... question about it... dig deep into it. Ask yourself WHY are they doing it this way and WHY not the other way. Only then draw your own conclusion.

The saddest part I feel for people supporting BLM is that they are being used as puppets or pawns... and they don't know it. Many of them TRULY believe that they are making the of society better... when in fact, they are just another piece in the political power fight game.

You're repeating yourself again, and I've answered your questions.

Whites commit crimes against Whites, Blacks commit crimes against Blacks, Hispanics commit crimes against Hispanics. Your point being?

We need to address the economic issues affecting these communities which will thus address such violence and crime. You parroted the same argument about marriage in which I provided you a long list of statistics that support the idea that a lack of the family nucleus is an economic issue that affects ALL poor communities, not just blacks.

You mention electing politicians, I just posted an article that fact checks that very claim.

Guess what Hehe, EVERYTHING is political. The NRA spends it funds to elect pro-gun politicians, every organized political movement uses its funds to elect politicians. You can't hate the player, hate the game then.

Do you know how much it costs to run a campaign in the US nowadays? PAC money comes into every State from all sides in order to decide elections down to the city council level nowadays. Why wouldn't BLM use their funds to support and elect politicians and law makers that will push their agenda? That would be completely obtuse to think otherwise.

How are laws and policies changed? Politicians. Why would you not utilize funds to support the campaign of a politician that will enact your desired goals?

With your stories about yourself you claim to be an intelligent person, yet you seem to lack the basic understanding of how politics and policy even works in the first place.

[birddog3k]

George Soros? :lol Oh god.

Guess you believe in QAnon too?

You like to come in here and ask a question, I answer it, and you ignore it. I've asked you numerous questions in which you continue to ignore as well.

So let me pose a question to you, what do you propose to this issue?

Clearly there is a major problem here that has galvanized hundreds of thousands of people throughout the country, and world for that matter.

So what do you propose? Business as usual? What would be an eventual outcome that you would agree with whether policy or action wise? BLM isn't going away, nor is this movement. You do realize when putting forth change, you aim for the stars, but only get the moon.

Demands are meant to push the boundaries in order to come to some proverbial middle ground.

So what do you propose? I'm all ears.

I don’t “believe” anything. I just think it’s fishy that he donates to so many causes yet his intentions are always clouded.

If I recall correctly, you said "accountability". I don't disagree with that. And I don't know which questions you're asking about - ask again.

I also agree that there is clearly there is a problem in society but I vehemently disagree with any of the BLM proposed solutions. I don’t agree with any policies that benefit one group over another because of racial ethnicity. It’s racism.

As for solutions, we have to first agree on a set of principles to operate by.

IMO:
1. Every single issue needs to be examined objectively. Lived experience and emotion are subject to enormous biases.
2. Individual liberty has to take precedence over group identity.
3. We as people have to find something to unite us. Previously it was the flag but now the flag is demonized. I'm not sure what can take it's place but there needs to be something.

As for specific solutions:
- Decriminalization of drugs
- Re-examine social welfare
- Re-think education

That's a start.


I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.'

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

I have a dream today.

[mikemhg]

I don’t “believe” anything. I just think it’s fishy that he donates to so many causes yet his intentions are always clouded.

If I recall correctly, you said "accountability". I don't disagree with that. And I don't know which questions you're asking about - ask again.

I also agree that there is clearly there is a problem in society but I vehemently disagree with any of the BLM proposed solutions. I don’t agree with any policies that benefit one group over another because of racial ethnicity. It’s racism.

As for solutions, we have to first agree on a set of principles to operate by.

IMO:
1. Every single issue needs to be examined objectively. Lived experience and emotion are subject to enormous biases.
2. Individual liberty has to take precedence over group identity.
3. We as people have to find something to unite us. Previously it was the flag but now the flag is demonized. I'm not sure what can take it's place but there needs to be something.

As for specific solutions:
- Decriminalization of drugs
- Re-examine social welfare
- Re-think education

That's a start.

That's quite a simplistic set of objectives, but alright.

1. Every single issue needs to be examined objectively. Lived experience and emotion are subject to enormous biases.

We have objectively examined this issue, police violence and incarceration statistics are all there, on every level if you are black, you are more likely to be killed by police, or imprisoned. These are not anecdotal observations, they are statistical facts, so I'm unsure what you mean here? Care to elaborate?

2. Individual liberty has to take precedence over group identity.

I'm finding this vague, please elaborate more on this. That's a simple concept on paper, but if we carried such a mentality, how would we ever address any issue that affects a certain demographic of people?

3. We as people have to find something to unite us. Previously it was the flag but now the flag is demonized. I'm not sure what can take it's place but there needs to be something.

How can we be united when we have individuals that won't even be on side to recognize a clear juxtaposition of rights and treatment to a large demographic of people? When have we ever been unified under one flag? People can't even agree to unify under the Stars and Stripes as opposed to the Confederate Flag :lol

- Decriminalization of drugs
- Re-examine social welfare
- Re-think education

We can very much agree on these points, funny enough, each of those points are a major part of BLM's stated agenda.

That's why I find it interesting you're against them, you literally mentioned three of their main objectives here.

[birddog3k]

That's quite a simplistic set of objectives, but alright.

1. Every single issue needs to be examined objectively. Lived experience and emotion are subject to enormous biases.

We have objectively examined this issue, police violence and incarceration statistics are all there, on every level if you are black, you are more likely to be killed by police, or imprisoned. These are not anecdotal observations, they are statistical facts, so I'm unsure what you mean here? Care to elaborate?

2. Individual liberty has to take precedence over group identity.

I'm finding this vague, please elaborate more on this. That's a simple concept on paper, but if we carried such a mentality, how would we ever address any issue that affects a certain demographic of people?

3. We as people have to find something to unite us. Previously it was the flag but now the flag is demonized. I'm not sure what can take it's place but there needs to be something.

How can we be united when we have individuals that won't even be on side to recognize a clear juxtaposition of rights and treatment to a large demographic of people? When have we ever been unified under one flag? People can't even agree to unify under the Stars and Stripes as opposed to the Confederate Flag :lol

- Decriminalization of drugs
- Re-examine social welfare
- Re-think education

We can very much agree on these points, funny enough, each of those points are a major part of BLM's stated agenda.

That's why I find it interesting you're against them, you literally mentioned three of their main objectives here.

1. Yes, you are more likely to be killed or imprisoned if you're black. Why are black people suffering this?
a) Because cops are racist towards black people
b) We need to dig deeper.

If you go with option a you get "defund the police", no further questions.
If you go with option b you might ask what societal factors lead to higher incarceration rates? How can be slice the data? You dig deeper and maybe it's a combination of a lack of police training, shitty schools in predominantly black neighbourhoods, the welfare state incentivizing shitty behavior, etc.

2. The government should not have any policies that benefit minorities or women or anything like that. No special privileges based on the color of your skin or your gender. Of course in a private company, you should be able to do whatever you want. Let's say you're a school accepting people for a medical program. You select a worse performing minority to fulfill your quota. What happens is that the general public will get worse medical treatment over time, over 100s of people selected because you selected poorer performing people.

3. We have to live together in society and it would be beneficial for everyone if we lived together in harmony. A divide will lead to things like civil wars down the line.

I'm against BLM because of the approach taken. Re-examine social welfare means look at the data and come to conclusions, preferably scale back on welfare, not increase it. Same with education. As for decriminalizing drugs, I think it's usually wrong in principle to put people in jail for non-violent crimes.

[Hehe]

You're repeating yourself again, and I've answered your questions.

Whites commit crimes against Whites, Blacks commit crimes against Blacks, Hispanics commit crimes against Hispanics. Your point being?

We need to address the economic issues affecting these communities which will thus address such violence and crime. You parroted the same argument about marriage in which I provided you a long list of statistics that support the idea that a lack of the family nucleus is an economic issue that affects ALL poor communities, not just blacks.

You mention electing politicians, I just posted an article that fact checks that very claim.

Guess what Hehe, EVERYTHING is political. The NRA spends it funds to elect pro-gun politicians, every organized political movement uses its funds to elect politicians. You can't hate the player, hate the game then.

Do you know how much it costs to run a campaign in the US nowadays? PAC money comes into every State from all sides in order to decide elections down to the city council level nowadays. Why wouldn't BLM use their funds to support and elect politicians and law makers that will push their agenda? That would be completely obtuse to think otherwise.

How are laws and policies changed? Politicians. Why would you not utilize funds to support the campaign of a politician that will enact your desired goals?

With your stories about yourself you claim to be an intelligent person, yet you seem to lack the basic understanding of how politics and policy even works in the first place.

You are generalizing way too much and believing on vague arguments by BLM supporters when these question comes up WITHOUT digging through it. You just TAKE everything they say because they are the group you support and you trust them blindly.

You are missing the QUESTION completely. Why is it that the crime rate among black population so high? And why doesn't BLM QUESTION or try to ADDRESS them by proposing something... heck... anything for that matter. Nop... it's the crime of WHITE on BLACK what matters.

According to US DOJ stat, African American accounts for over HALF of all homicides in the US while accounting only a tad over 13% of the population. When all violent crimes are considered, African American accounts for almost 38% while again, being only a tad over 13% of population.

Please don't come up with the argument that black are predominantly in stats because they are targetted. If you dug deeper into stats, regardless of white dominant or black dominant area (both in population and police force)... similar trend follows.

The question is not about whether we have a racial problem. Of course we do... but the real question is what are we, BLM or whoever doing to solve the problem.

BLM is NOT interested in solving the real problem black community faces. They are just generating a narrative to win votes, to inflict hate and to SEPARATE the society. You are NOT doing a favor to the black community by supporting BLM... because not only are they NOT interested in solving the problem... they try to silence and attack anyone who is really trying to get to the core of the problem... because they can no longer continue their narrative when REAL solutions... or at least what paves the way to a solution are presented.

[mikemhg]

1. Yes, you are more likely to be killed or imprisoned if you're black. Why are black people suffering this?
a) Because cops are racist towards black people
b) We need to dig deeper.

If you go with option a you get "defund the police", no further questions.
If you go with option b you might ask what societal factors lead to higher incarceration rates? How can be slice the data? You dig deeper and maybe it's a combination of a lack of police training, shitty schools in predominantly black neighbourhoods, the welfare state incentivizing shitty behavior, etc.

2. The government should not have any policies that benefit minorities or women or anything like that. No special privileges based on the color of your skin or your gender. Of course in a private company, you should be able to do whatever you want. Let's say you're a school accepting people for a medical program. You select a worse performing minority to fulfill your quota. What happens is that the general public will get worse medical treatment over time, over 100s of people selected because you selected poorer performing people.

3. We have to live together in society and it would be beneficial for everyone if we lived together in harmony. A divide will lead to things like civil wars down the line.

I'm against BLM because of the approach taken. Re-examine social welfare means look at the data and come to conclusions, preferably scale back on welfare, not increase it. Same with education. As for decriminalizing drugs, I think it's usually wrong in principle to put people in jail for non-violent crimes.

2. The government should not have any policies that benefit minorities or women or anything like that. No special privileges based on the color of your skin or your gender. Of course in a private company, you should be able to do whatever you want. Let's say you're a school accepting people for a medical program. You select a worse performing minority to fulfill your quota. What happens is that the general public will get worse medical treatment over time, over 100s of people selected because you selected poorer performing people.

You just described exactly how the US has been ran since its inception in relation to its white anglo-saxon population. A system in design to benefit a specific portion of demographic. There are tons of examples of this, but let's just put one forward here, the GI Bill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans_and_the_G.I._Bill

Black veterans came back to a country where even though they fought in the same war as their white counterparts, they did not benefit from the legislated enactments by their own government. Isn't that the very basic idea of placating to a certain group of people?

If we know that historically that has been the case, is it not logical to correct those disadvantages, or address them in some way or another? I simply don't understand the lack of getting that concept.

You are putting forth ideas (which is fine), yet at the same time completely ignoring history entirely, along with the policies conducted as such.

One cannot correct the current, without addressing the past. How that is successfully done is another question here, I feel as though I am simply repeating myself in this thread.

You are acting as though these issues were created in a vacuum in which all sides are starting at a neutral position, this is simply not the case here. That to me is the major barrier here when we have this discussion, and the US on this subject entirely. The US and much of its population has not been able to reconcile with its past, and to acknowledge the problems its created, until then, we will continue to argue in circles with little to no progress.

[mikemhg]

You are generalizing way too much and believing on vague arguments by BLM supporters when these question comes up WITHOUT digging through it. You just TAKE everything they say because they are the group you support and you trust them blindly.

You are missing the QUESTION completely. Why is it that the crime rate among black population so high? And why doesn't BLM QUESTION or try to ADDRESS them by proposing something... heck... anything for that matter. Nop... it's the crime of WHITE on BLACK what matters.

According to US DOJ stat, African American accounts for over HALF of all homicides in the US while accounting only a tad over 13% of the population. When all violent crimes are considered, African American accounts for almost 38% while again, being only a tad over 13% of population.

Please don't come up with the argument that black are predominantly in stats because they are targetted. If you dug deeper into stats, regardless of white dominant or black dominant area (both in population and police force)... similar trend follows.

The question is not about whether we have a racial problem. Of course we do... but the real question is what are we, BLM or whoever doing to solve the problem.

BLM is NOT interested in solving the real problem black community faces. They are just generating a narrative to win votes, to inflict hate and to SEPARATE the society. You are NOT doing a favor to the black community by supporting BLM... because not only are they NOT interested in solving the problem... they try to silence and attack anyone who is really trying to get to the core of the problem... because they can no longer continue their narrative when REAL solutions... or at least what paves the way to a solution are presented.

Once again you're just repeating yourself, making false equivalencies, and generally not understanding this discussion. I'm not entirely sure if this is a language issue or what.

With all due disrespect Hehe, and I've said this before. Based on your comments about black people in general, you've shown a pure dis-contempt for my race, and I think you need to sit down and reconcile that within yourself at some point.

Your support for the Hong Kong protesters against the CCP merely confirms that bias to me. It seems that you are much more inclined to support the movement of your own homogeneous people, rather than that a group different from yourself. You should reflect on that more.

[Hehe]

You keep saying I’m repeating myself when you fail to address my question. What the fuck is BLM doing that you support them?

You are a black person trying to eradicate racism against black. I applaud you for that.

But where I have beef is with BLM. I read about stuff, I dig into them to find unbiased information and draws my conclusions. BLM is a fucking scam. They use black peoples fear and sensitivity on racism to support hate. The very thing they do much despise about.

And you know why there isn’t anyone you can name in BLM as their potential leader? Because none of them want to be held as the figure.

When one truly believes in something, one is willing to protect them with life. Like many figures in HK protest. They know by putting themselves out, they run the risk of repercussions from the CCP. But they do it anyway.

BLM is leaderless and figureless not as a strategy to protect them, but because no one believes it enough with their life.

[Manic!]

You keep saying I’m repeating myself when you fail to address my question. What the fuck is BLM doing that you support them?

You are a black person trying to eradicate racism against black. I applaud you for that.

But where I have beef is with BLM. I read about stuff, I dig into them to find unbiased information and draws my conclusions. BLM is a fucking scam. They use black peoples fear and sensitivity on racism to support hate. The very thing they do much despise about.

And you know why there isn’t anyone you can name in BLM as their potential leader? Because none of them want to be held as the figure.

When one truly believes in something, one is willing to protect them with life. Like many figures in HK protest. They know by putting themselves out, they run the risk of repercussions from the CCP. But they do it anyway.

BLM is leaderless and figureless not as a strategy to protect them, but because no one believes it enough with their life.

I know one of the people who put together the BLM protests in Nanaimo. The guy has worked at Costco for 15 plus years and is no trying to scam anyone. I have to ask you who are the leaders from United we roll, yellow vesters, old stock Canadians, Canada proud, ladies of odin and the proud girls.

https://canadaproud.org/ claims they have raised 100's of thousands of dollars but don't list any members or leaders. doing a whois search gets you nothing because they are hiding who owns the site.

https://who.is/whois/canadaproud.org


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https://www.facebook.com/OldStockCDN/ This site is under development (http://www.oldstockcanadian.ca/)

Website is down but the facebook page is still active. Again all registrar info is hidden and who knows where they get there funding and who is the person in charge. They do have some great posts.

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I can actually picture what the voice of the person saying that out loud would be... He sounds kind of like a mix of Peter Griffin from Family Guy with the "which way did he go" guy from Bugs Bunny

Also, I see Trudeau memes on facebook every day and I think this is the first time one has used the correct "their" LUL

[Hehe]

I've already said... many people who are in BLM TRULY believe they are making a progress. And those are good people. Just like mikemhg, I believe he's an awesome guy who is really trying to make a difference.

The problem is that I believe their direction... the direction that BLM are leading them to is the wrong direction. It doesn't address fundamental causes that are harming the black community and are mostly just BRIBE. They disguise it as "reparation" in order to gain support and continue their narrative.

And the worst part of BLM is that they link people as the follow: pro-BLM=non-racist, progressive and liberal thinking and con-BLM=racist, fucked up conservative and just downright a disgusting person who has no compassion whatsoever.

This is the very same strategy that CCP use with Chinese. Most Chinese I know are fine. They are generally nice folks. But CCP wants them to believe that, if they talk shit about CCP, it's the same thing as talking shit about Chinese, when they are 2 different things. One is a political party, the other are people.

BLM want most to believe that people who talk shit or even just questioning about them are racists or far right maniacs... and people who want to be non-racist MUST support BLM... when they are 2 completely separate thing.

All I'm asking is to keep your mind open... you can support whatever cause you want. But PLEASE don't ever confuse what BLM want to do vs. what you want to do. They have a very different agenda than what most BLM supporters have.

[Manic!]

and con-BLM=racist, fucked up conservative and just downright a disgusting person who has no compassion whatsoever.



The organizations I posted above support the cons. United we roll/yellow vesters had a rally in Ottawa. Faith Goldy a supporter and white nationalist spoke at the rally. Andrew Scheer also spoke at the rally. You can keep saying the cons ae not full of racist supporters until you are blue in the face but no one on the left is going to believe you until they tell all these groups to get lost.

[Hehe]

The organizations I posted above support the cons. United we roll/yellow vesters had a rally in Ottawa. Faith Goldy a supporter and white nationalist spoke at the rally. Andrew Scheer also spoke at the rally. You can keep saying the cons ae not full of racist supporters until you are blue in the face but no one on the left is going to believe you until they tell all these groups to get lost.

Why do you guys keep deviating from what I'm posting? FailFish

In fact, I find that it's not just to my messages... but most posts that question or argue against BLM. It's always when asked about A, you answer about B.

Instead of targeting the point, which is what a good discussion is about, you target something in it... like mikemhg picks on Soros out of the entire post by birddog3k, yes, I think anyone who's following the whole BLM story is aware of that conspiracy going with Soros w/BLM.

And yet he picked on that point and just somehow discredit every other points that were brought into a post.

That's not how argument works. First, you acknowledge the points and then go through one by one. By simply taking out a word of the whole argument and say "this part is bullshit, so the entire thing must be bullshit too".

That's NOT answering one's message.

[Manic!]

Why do you guys keep deviating from what I'm posting? FailFish

In fact, I find that it's not just to my messages... but most posts that question or argue against BLM. It's always when asked about A, you answer about B.

Instead of targeting the point, which is what a good discussion is about, you target something in it... like mikemhg picks on Soros out of the entire post by birddog3k, yes, I think anyone who's following the whole BLM story is aware of that conspiracy going with Soros w/BLM.

And yet he picked on that point and just somehow discredit every other points that were brought into a post.

That's not how argument works. First, you acknowledge the points and then go through one by one. By simply taking out a word of the whole argument and say "this part is bullshit, so the entire thing must be bullshit too".

That's NOT answering one's message.

You support a party full of racists but claim the party is not racist.

According to the right Soros funds everything, Bill Gates is going to microchip everyone and Elon Musk is going to use satellites to beam 5g to control people.

[Hehe]

You support a party full of racists but claim the party is not racist.

According to the right Soros funds everything, Bill Gates is going to microchip everyone and Elon Musk is going to use satellites to beam 5g to control people.
And after I pointed out that whenever we talk A, you talk B, you still do that.

Thx for an excellent example. It’s never about solving a problem through discussion, it’s about constructing a narrative, that those against us are fucked up lunatics and their words are not to be trusted.

Bravo.

[Manic!]

And after I pointed out that whenever we talk A, you talk B, you still do that.

Thx for an excellent example. It’s never about solving a problem through discussion, it’s about constructing a narrative, that those against us are fucked up lunatics and their words are not to be trusted.

Bravo.

What's there to talk about. Your party is full of racists but you can't admit that. Justina McCaffrey ran for the con party and was besties with Faith Goldy. What more needs to be said? Good luck to Peter McKay his wife is going to be eaten alive.



This made me laugh pretty hard.

Liberal Karen McCrimmon, a retired air force officer, has won re-election in Kanata-Carleton by shooting down the challenge of Conservative Justina McCaffrey, a renowned wedding dress designer.

[280ZX]

Groundhog Day!

[JD¹³]

JD13 you just proved my point why BLM does not try to carry a singular leader. A tweet can complete de-legitimize an entire movement. The person you're mentioning was touting an esoteric view in regards to melanin totals (or lack there of) in relation to empathy. It's the same theory Nick Cannon was recently cancelled for.

She posted that in 2016, and she's a young woman, we've all said stupid crap in our lives, that does not mean the entire movement is false, that's absolutely ridiculous.
Holy shit Mike. Touting an esoteric view?! That's what you're going to call it?! That one line I copied is from a full post on Facebook that reads like it's out of a new version of Mein Kampf. Never in my LIFE even in my mid-twenties like she was at the time have I had thoughts, and so much conviction in those thoughts, that I would post multiple times to social media about a different ethnicity being sub-human and asking god to give me the strength not to kill them. Esoteric view?! Get the fuck outta here. You're defending a blatant bigot. Stop it. And after all that nowhere did I say her individual actions were reflective of the organization as a whole. I stated they should have accountability and be consistent with their message: big difference.

The rest of your post is keyword deflective nonsense. Read this part of my post again: "I wasn't going to weigh in on this thread because the amount of virtue-signalling and posters putting words and thoughts in to others mouths/heads to do so is absolutely gross."

That's you Mike. Nowhere have I ever posted on this forum that I'm a "professed Conservative Party supporter". You're all about attaching labels and then putting words in my mouth I've never said about topics that have absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. My asking for personal and professional accountability doesn't lump me in to ANY party or movement. This thread is about the death of George Floyd, the protests and riots that have resulted, and the Black Lives Matter movement and organization. That's it. If you can't or don't want to respond to the legitimate questions people have about these things then don't. But going off on rambling tangents to try and prove a point I think you lost along the way is *GASP* virtue signalling.

Stop using keywords like "dog whistle" and "right-wing arguments" when someone asks a hard question about what a proposed non-profit organization is doing with their donation money, especially when by their own accounts they have no public accounting after seven years in operation! You stated "Why is it when a black organization is put together, Conservatives like yourself want to know where each penny is going?" Want to just call me racist outright instead of beating around the bush? It's got nothing to do with the organization being run by African-Americans. When cities are being burned down and people killed in scores in the name of said organization and the moronic Defund The Police movement (that BLM has popularized!) these are valid questions. BLM claims to want equality and change yet have done nothing to enact change in their own communities except organize more rallies. I never said they're paying protestors but the Executive Director of the organization says the money is going to "civic engagement, expansion of chapters, [and] organizing and digital advocacy resources and tools" aka paying organizers!

So spare us your bullshit, your bias is obvious. You've degraded yourself in to another Manic by deflecting hard questions when the answers don't fit your narrative.

[mikemhg]

Holy shit Mike. Touting an esoteric view?! That's what you're going to call it?! That one line I copied is from a full post on Facebook that reads like it's out of a new version of Mein Kampf. Never in my LIFE even in my mid-twenties like she was at the time have I had thoughts, and so much conviction in those thoughts, that I would post multiple times to social media about a different ethnicity being sub-human and asking god to give me the strength not to kill them. Esoteric view?! Get the fuck outta here. You're defending a blatant bigot. Stop it. And after all that nowhere did I say her individual actions were reflective of the organization as a whole. I stated they should have accountability and be consistent with their message: big difference.

The rest of your post is keyword deflective nonsense. Read this part of my post again: "I wasn't going to weigh in on this thread because the amount of virtue-signalling and posters putting words and thoughts in to others mouths/heads to do so is absolutely gross."

That's you Mike. Nowhere have I ever posted on this forum that I'm a "professed Conservative Party supporter". You're all about attaching labels and then putting words in my mouth I've never said about topics that have absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. My asking for personal and professional accountability doesn't lump me in to ANY party or movement. This thread is about the death of George Floyd, the protests and riots that have resulted, and the Black Lives Matter movement and organization. That's it. If you can't or don't want to respond to the legitimate questions people have about these things then don't. But going off on rambling tangents to try and prove a point I think you lost along the way is *GASP* virtue signalling.

Stop using keywords like "dog whistle" and "right-wing arguments" when someone asks a hard question about what a proposed non-profit organization is doing with their donation money, especially when by their own accounts they have no public accounting after seven years in operation! You stated "Why is it when a black organization is put together, Conservatives like yourself want to know where each penny is going?" Want to just call me racist outright instead of beating around the bush? It's got nothing to do with the organization being run by African-Americans. When cities are being burned down and people killed in scores in the name of said organization and the moronic Defund The Police movement (that BLM has popularized!) these are valid questions. BLM claims to want equality and change yet have done nothing to enact change in their own communities except organize more rallies. I never said they're paying protestors but the Executive Director of the organization says the money is going to "civic engagement, expansion of chapters, [and] organizing and digital advocacy resources and tools" aka paying organizers!

So spare us your bullshit, your bias is obvious. You've degraded yourself in to another Manic by deflecting hard questions when the answers don't fit your narrative.

Right, yet you side stepped every point I posed toward you.

I've seen your posts on this forum, and they clearly slant a certain way, don't try to gaslight, a spade is a spade. I don't know you personally, so I can only go by what you post on this forum. I've seen countless posts from you supporting the Conservative party, and lambasting Trudeau and the Liberals, which is totally fine. Yet I've never seen you criticize the party you support and the extreme views and ideas coming from some of those within said party.

Am I biased? Of course I am. Why not admit your own bias?

You and Hehe continue to claim "they're doing nothing for their communities". Let me ask you a serious question, have you even bothered to research the work that's being done? Have you not seen the changes already been enacted by city councils throughout the States? Do you think change happens in a week? You do realize the bureaucracy of politics, change takes time, and these groups are most certainly enacting changes, even if you fail to recognize it.

Black mayors have been elected, officials have had to step down, various cities have opted to revamp and restructure their police forces and pass bills to address indemnified immunity, multiple bills have been passed in the House, statues have been taken down, deeper investigations have came out in Louisville regarding its city's agenda to disenfranchise black communities through police oppression (read the latest developments on Breonna Taylor for more details on this).

The above are only a few examples of changes enacted by BLM in the mere span of months here. Just because you don't look into this stuff, does not mean work isn't being done here. Read about what Michael Tubbs, the first black mayor in Stockton, and the successful changes he's made to reduce gun violence in the city (down 31% since he's taken office in 2016).

As I've said, it's rather ignorant, dismissive, and disrespectful to these people who are putting the actual work in to make these changes, while you sit behind your monitor and claim "they're doing nothing".

My observation of you is simply to understand why the subject of BLM is of such importance for you to direct your ire in written form, meanwhile ignoring bigoted issues that appear rampant within the party you seem to support. If that observation is anecdotal, then so be it, you have not shown me otherwise in terms of your consistent objection to questionable and bigoted thoughts and acts from what I would perceive to be your "side".

Show me differently.

[Manic!]

https://i.imgur.com/11Z1XHQ.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R49P9TuFLOQ

This must be really confusing for the blue lives matter pro-gun crowd.

[welfare]

This must be really confusing for the blue lives matter pro-gun crowd.

FailFish Can't decide which false dichotomy to pick...

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/81995973/im-just-so-confused.jpg

[320icar]

@manic that was one of the most fucked up videos I’ve ever seen. Those cops deserve to fucking hang

[Manic!]

FailFish Can't decide which false dichotomy to pick...

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/81995973/im-just-so-confused.jpg

Well, the cop still has his job and you bet other cops support him. So if you are a blue lives matter person you must support the cops and believe what the officer did was right. But if you are a A2 guy, you believe he had a right to bear arms.

This is where the good guy with a gun theory falls flat. The police believe anyone with a gun can be a threat. You pull your gun at an active shooter situation there is a good chance you will get shot by the police.

[welfare]

@manic that was one of the most fucked up videos I’ve ever seen. Those cops deserve to fucking hang

You should check out the channel 'police activity'.
https://www.youtube.com/c/PoliceActivity/videos
What amazed me while watching these videos is how recklessly a suspect would reach for their gun while an officer already had their hand on their own.
And quite often, over something trivial.
Illuminating how abruptly a situation turns to life or death.

I can't really say one way or the other on this one. The officer did identify himself when he knocked, and the guy answered the door with a gun in his hand.
If i was a family member, I'd probably be mortified that the officer is still active. But if i was an officer in that precinct, I think I'd be pretty receptive to his reaction.

[Manic!]

You should check out the channel 'police activity'.
https://www.youtube.com/c/PoliceActivity/videos
What amazed me while watching these videos is how recklessly a suspect would reach for their gun while an officer already had their hand on their own.
And quite often, over something trivial.
Illuminating how abruptly a situation turns to life or death.

I can't really say one way or the other on this one. The officer did identify himself when he knocked, and the guy answered the door with a gun in his hand.
If i was a family member, I'd probably be mortified that the officer is still active. But if i was an officer in that precinct, I think I'd be pretty receptive to his reaction.

The 911 call was about a noise complaint. The guy was playing video games and listening to music with his girlfriend. The 911 operator escalated the call because they were tired and wanted to sleep.GF claims they did not know it was the police. Just because someone knocks on your door saying they are the police does not mean it's the police.

Now whats wrong with answering a door with a gun? Are you saying people should not be able to walk around with a gun in their own house?


If you side with the police you are going against all the 2a people that say you should have a gun on you at all times including inside your house.

[MikeyStyle]

Full Bodycam Footage of George Floyd Arrest

[Bouncing Bettys]

Asians are also becoming effected by such practices. In the wake of BLM, California recently voted to repeal prop 209 which had ended affirmative action practices for school admissions. Previous to 209 the standards were much higher for Asian Americans. A couple of years ago Harvard admitted they had tiered SAT admission scores based on race with Asians requiring the highest scores. Keep in mind the Asian demographic is very broad, with a number of sub groups where they have had to overcome many, if not more, of the same obstacles as Blacks and Latinos.
Yale too?
Department Of Justice: Yale Discriminates Against Asian American and White Applicants In Admissions
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/13/902335422/doj-yale-discriminates-against-asian-american-and-white-applicants-in-admissions

[AzNightmare]

You should check out the channel 'police activity'.
https://www.youtube.com/c/PoliceActivity/videos
What amazed me while watching these videos is how recklessly a suspect would reach for their gun while an officer already had their hand on their own.
And quite often, over something trivial.
Illuminating how abruptly a situation turns to life or death.

I can't really say one way or the other on this one. The officer did identify himself when he knocked, and the guy answered the door with a gun in his hand.
If i was a family member, I'd probably be mortified that the officer is still active. But if i was an officer in that precinct, I think I'd be pretty receptive to his reaction.


No matter how fucked up, I usually can somewhat justify two sides of the story, but in this particular case, I really can't.

If someone knocked on your door and "identified" themselves, you probably would miss it unless you're right by the door. It's a stupid protocol, because chances are, if you're not expecting someone, you're not focused to hear it. You may even stop what you're doing and second guess if you just heard a knock at the door, nevermind someone trying to talk through a door.

Considering it's America, it's probably not that uncommon to open the door in the middle of the night with a gun for safety. But the gun wasn't drawn and pointed. I don't think he even noticed there was a second cop behind him. They immediately shined a flashlight in his face, saw the gun, and panicked. Especially the officer that actually did the shooting.

Literally didn't give him a chance. One officer said "Hands! Hands!" That was the right procedure and instinctively, the victim had his hands out in plain sight and slowly getting down, in no position of threat. But the other officer panicked and just started shooting regardless. What a fucking clown.

[underscore]

The officer did identify himself when he knocked, and the guy answered the door with a gun in his hand.

While responding to a noise complaint. I think we can all agree that when noise is involved you should be thinking there's a good chance they won't hear you.

[Jmac]

Also, you kind of expect officers to be non-aggressive for a noise complaint. The way they're positioned at the door so as to not be at all visible through the peep hole and the one officer with his hand on his holster ready to draw is fucked up. Like that's the kind of shit you'd expect when they're executing a warrant on a known violent criminal.

[welfare]

While responding to a noise complaint. I think we can all agree that when noise is involved you should be thinking there's a good chance they won't hear you.

Wasn't it raised to a domestic dispute call? That changes drastically what the officer's walking into and the likelihood of being attacked.

I'm not saying the cop acted accordingly. I just don't think it's entirely black or white.

[westopher]

The 911 operator essentially swatted that guy. They should take a large part of the accountability here.

[StylinRed]

Arizona is open carry too iirc, god damn

[westopher]

People never seem to acknowledge thats probably one of, or the biggest contributor to all these police involved shootings. When every call you go to you need to assume the assailant has a gun, wouldn't you be pretty prepared to shoot?

[AzNightmare]

People never seem to acknowledge thats probably one of, or the biggest contributor to all these police involved shootings. When every call you go to you need to assume the assailant has a gun, wouldn't you be pretty prepared to shoot?

I'm fully aware of that... It's unfortunate it's pretty much catch 22.
No one in America would feel safe opening the door to a stranger without a gun.


I still say the guy didn't get a chance to comply. He was pretty much shot while complying cause the other officer was too trigger happy.

[Manic!]

Cop claimed Masai Ujiri pushed him first and was suing him for 70K because he got injured and had emotional damage. This video shows the cop pushed him first 2 times. I hope Masai sues his ass.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDOot8BWJG0

[winson604]

Cop claimed Masai Ujiri pushed him first and was suing him for 70K because he got injured and had emotional damage. This video shows the cop pushed him first 2 times. I hope Masai sues his ass.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDOot8BWJG0

He counter sued lol

[welfare]

Not a cop in sight as the protests of peace carry on in Portland

https://youtu.be/ZS7li8Hiuas

[stewie]

Not a cop in sight as the protests of peace carry on in Portland

https://youtu.be/ZS7li8Hiuas

They're getting exactly what they wanted.

Police are bad, defund them, fire them all and lets "protest" to stick it to them and show them enough is enough.

Let them burn their city to the ground and then let them all call for the cops only to realize that they won't be coming. These protesters are the ones who will be paying for it through their taxes. Who do they think is going to pay for the city owned buildings they've destroyed, cars they've vandalized, fences they've knocked down etc etc??

Cops are only useful to people when they're in need of them.
They're damned if the do and damned if they don't. It's a tough and stressful career but somebody's got to do it. I'd like to see any one of those people do better.

[JHatta]

For these civilian shot footages, why don't they just upload the unedited version? We are only getting snippets, lots of information/dialogue missing...

[mikemhg]

Much of the above a teenage idiots with nothing to do, acting like complete fools. This is much akin to the rioting we watched in Vancouver back in 2011.

That should have no relation to "BLM" or the movement itself.

To say that would be the same as blaming the Vancouver Canucks, or hockey itself for the riots and damage that happened here in Vancouver.

The majority of people do not condone or buy into attacking random people on the street, in fact in that video, you see a lot of people helping out, and providing medical attention.

You will find young idiots in every city looking for an excuse to run wild, to unleash their teenage angst. If anything that should be a telltale sign of where our society has now come.

I don't see how that carries any relation to the political movement and issues we're trying to address via BLM.

[JHatta]

I agree that much of carnage that is unfolding is not the intent of the political movement BLM is trying to address, but nonetheless BLM gave these idiots a platform to work on.

[mikemhg]

How so, please elaborate?

The protests in Portland initially were very peaceful, it wasn't until the Federales moved in that things escalated.

As usual, people online cannot decipher the nuances that are involved in these protests. BLM, and much of the people who are joining these protests are not a homogeneous group of people, they are not a monolith, you have people from varying different political ideologies all under one umbrella here.

There are BLM folks, Anarchists, Libertarians, hooligans, lefties, anti-government, LGBTQ, all essentially being lumped together.

I think what a lot of what you're seeing here is once again, teenage angst. It's summer time right now, it's comfortable to be outside, what do kids do in the summer? They congregate, and often times get into shit. Why should that be attached to BLM? Seem to me that's a very convenient way to undermine a very legitimate movement with a very credible stance and reasoning behind its ideology.

Once again by that logic, the NHL and Vancouver Canucks should be at fault for providing a "platform" in which to elicit a riot within a city.

That makes zero sense.

[JHatta]

I meant that many people are using the disguise of "BLM" to invoke carnage in Portland (and other places). So essentially agreeing that this group is not a monolith.

The riot in Vancouver was the platform for shitheels to destroy the city and harm others. There was no political movement to hide behind, it was just a pure instance of everyone making collectively bad choices in life.

[mikemhg]

Ahh I see what you mean here now, then yes, we do agree.

Honda, I think you thought he meant something else, given your like :lol

[welfare]

Cops are only useful to people when they're in need of them.
They're damned if the do and damned if they don't. It's a tough and stressful career but somebody's got to do it. I'd like to see any one of those people do better.

And there are less and less stock as recruitment numbers now plummet from an already steady decline.
It's a major reason you'd see cops with dozens of complaints still fully active.
Who in their right mind would aspire to enter a career at this level of hostility that's now become mainstream?
And as unyielding a job as it now is for your average officer, just imagine the aggravation faced by the 'house negro'.
https://youtu.be/DO9y56_S6iQ

[Hehe]

It's not just that.

There's a disproportion about the tolerance of racism. Appearantly, if it's against a white person, a sorry would do. When it's against a black person, the hell breaks loose.

Look at what just happened at NBA. Montrezl Harrell called Luka Doncic "Bitch ass white boy". He apologized, Doncic accepted and that's it. Doncic's own statement:

"It was OK. No worries,” Doncic said. “A lot of emotions on the court, especially with the playoffs. Sometimes you say things you don’t want to say. He apologized. I respect that. So no problems.”

Imagine if today it's Doncic who called Harrell "bitch ass black boy". That might mark the end of a career for him.

Where's the fucking equality on this? Why do black people get the most attention and reaction when it comes to racism, while others, who suffer no less discrimination in their respective environment (NBA is predominantly black) get lil to no attention?

If you are going to tell me, there's no other motive other than seeking "equality"... :fuckthatshit:

[Manic!]

And there are less and less stock as recruitment numbers now plummet from an already steady decline.
It's a major reason you'd see cops with dozens of complaints still fully active.
Who in their right mind would aspire to enter a career at this level of hostility that's now become mainstream?
And as unyielding a job as it now is for your average officer, just imagine the aggravation faced by the 'house negro'.
https://youtu.be/DO9y56_S6iQ

Or it could be no one wants the job because it pays like shit.

How much does a Police Officer make in the United States?


The average salary for a police officer is $54,232 per year in the United States.

https://www.indeed.com/career/police-officer/salaries

If they paid better they would get better recruits and more of them.

[welfare]

Or it could be no one wants the job because it pays like shit.

How much does a Police Officer make in the United States?


The average salary for a police officer is $54,232 per year in the United States.

https://www.indeed.com/career/police-officer/salaries

If they paid better they would get better recruits and more of them.

:thumbs: Look who's connecting the dots

[Manic!]

:thumbs: Look who's connecting the dots

So you are saying there are a bunch of shitty cops you support.

[welfare]

So you are saying there are a bunch of shitty cops you support.

Amazing FailFish

[mikemhg]

We'll continue to argue, and I'll continue to cite stories for your better knowledge on this subject.

Let's talk about the story of Willie James. Willie was a 15 year old living in Florida in the 1940's. He was the only child of a black couple living in that town, during Jim Crow. That year in 1944 he was extremely excited during Christmas, as he was able to get himself a job at the General Store in that town, which was considered quite the accomplishment for a black person in that said Jim Crow law era.

He was so excited as Christmas approached, he decided to give out cards to his fellow co-workers, including a card to a crush of his who also worked at the store (she was a white girl). His card was as follows:

"Dear Friend,

Just a few line[s] to let you hear from me [.] I am well an[d] hope you are the same. This is what I said on that [C]hristmas card. From W. J. H. With L. [love] I hope you will understand what I mean. That is what I said[.] [N]ow please don’t get angry with me because you can never tell what may get in some body[.] I did not put it in there my self. God did[.] I can't help what he does[,] can I[?] I know you don’t think much of our kind of people but we don’t hate you all[.] [W]e want to be your all friends but you want let us [.] [P]lease don't let any body see this[.] I hope I haven't made you [mad.] [I]f I did tell me about it an[d] I will [forget] about it. I wish this was [a] northern state[.] I guess you call me fresh. Write an[d] tell me what you think of me[,] good or bad. Sincerely yours, with, [sic]
From Y.K.W.
Fo[r] Cynthia Goff
I love your name. I love your voice, for a S.H. [sweetheart] you are my choice"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_of_Willie_James_Howard

The girl then gave that card to her father, who was the then Postmaster, and former state legislator. Upon viewing that letter, her father amassed a posse of men, who showed up to Willie's home, kidnapped the boy, along with his father. They beat the boy in front of his father, then subsequently through him into the river, to which he drowned to his death.

A 15 year old boy was killed simply on the basis of him sending a loving letter to a white girl at his work. This was in 1944, my mother was born in 1944. There are family members that are alive from this very time frame today.

For you welfare and Hehe to be so cavalier and callous in your opinions to the intrinsic plight that people are going through in the States, is still mind boggling to me. I truly don't understand how you cannot fathom how such deep prejudices can carry forward within governmental systems, families, and societal norms.

I will continue to shake my head at the both of you.

[Hehe]

We'll continue to argue, and I'll continue to cite stories for your better knowledge on this subject.

Let's talk about the story of Willie James. Willie was a 15 year old living in Florida in the 1940's. He was the only child of a black couple living in that town, during Jim Crow. That year in 1944 he was extremely excited during Christmas, as he was able to get himself a job at the General Store in that town, which was considered quite the accomplishment for a black person in that said Jim Crow law era.

He was so excited as Christmas approached, he decided to give out cards to his fellow co-workers, including a card to a crush of his who also worked at the store (she was a white girl). His card was as follows:

"Dear Friend,

Just a few line[s] to let you hear from me [.] I am well an[d] hope you are the same. This is what I said on that [C]hristmas card. From W. J. H. With L. [love] I hope you will understand what I mean. That is what I said[.] [N]ow please don’t get angry with me because you can never tell what may get in some body[.] I did not put it in there my self. God did[.] I can't help what he does[,] can I[?] I know you don’t think much of our kind of people but we don’t hate you all[.] [W]e want to be your all friends but you want let us [.] [P]lease don't let any body see this[.] I hope I haven't made you [mad.] [I]f I did tell me about it an[d] I will [forget] about it. I wish this was [a] northern state[.] I guess you call me fresh. Write an[d] tell me what you think of me[,] good or bad. Sincerely yours, with, [sic]
From Y.K.W.
Fo[r] Cynthia Goff
I love your name. I love your voice, for a S.H. [sweetheart] you are my choice"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_of_Willie_James_Howard

The girl then gave that card to her father, who was the then Postmaster, and former state legislator. Upon viewing that letter, her father amassed a posse of men, who showed up to Willie's home, kidnapped the boy, along with his father. They beat the boy in front of his father, then subsequently through him into the river, to which he drowned to his death.

A 15 year old boy was killed simply on the basis of him sending a loving letter to a white girl at his work. This was in 1944, my mother was born in 1944. There are family members that are alive from this very time frame today.

For you welfare and Hehe to be so cavalier and callous in your opinions to the intrinsic plight that people are going through in the States, is still mind boggling to me. I truly don't understand how you cannot fathom how such deep prejudices can carry forward within governmental systems, families, and societal norms.

I will continue to shake my head at the both of you.

And you continue to ignore what we are saying.

So, this black boy got killed because he wrote a love letter to a white girl.

And this justifies the whole BLM?! Why don't you climb out of your cave and read a bit about Asian discrimination, First Nation discrimination, and discrimination of other kind?

I'm NOT saying racism toward black doesn't matter. I'm saying racism toward ANYONE matters. And if you really THINK about why and what they are doing, it's because the Black community is especially sensible to "racism", which allow certain "party" of interest to push the agenda to where they want and influence the vote.

Wanna take a bet? This whole BLM thing would die down this time next year regardless who wins the election in the US. Why? Because they, the people behind BLM don't give a flying fuck about what is right. All they care is using the BLM as a way to shift votes. And this very topic would come back again roughly 4yrs from now.

If they end up passing ANY BLM related legislation at federal level before this time next year, I'd donate $100 to a charity of your choice under your name and if you lose, you do the same to my choice.

I just got tired of people getting caught up in this political manipulations. And I feel sad for you. I truly am. I think you are an awesome and easygoing guy that look after not just for the black community, but community as a whole. They, the people behind BLM, are using your sympathy and empathy for political gains. You mean all for the best, while they don't.

And you can't back down now... because as they said... if you ain't supporting BLM, you are racist. And I'm sure you clearly aren't one.

"Too young, too simple. Sometimes naive" - Zemin Jiang

[Manic!]

Wanna take a bet? This whole BLM thing would die down this time next year regardless who wins the election in the US. Why? Because they, the people behind BLM don't give a flying fuck about what is right. All they care is using the BLM as a way to shift votes. And this very topic would come back again roughly 4yrs from now.



Did someone say bet?

i'm in.

[Hehe]

Did someone say bet?

i'm in.

We are on.

[Manic!]

We are on.

So what are the rules and what are the stakes?

[Hehe]

So what are the rules and what are the stakes?

Simple... my idea is that regardless of who wins the election. BLM would become irrelevant after US election because it's nothing but a political tool.

Neither Dems nor Reps would pass any law to address the BLM movement after the election.

So, if by this time next year, 08/24/2021, no law addressing the BLM becomes law, I win. If there is, I lose.

$100 to a charity of choice under the other's name.

Or if you want to make it a year after the election, works for me too.

[Manic!]

Simple... my idea is that regardless of who wins the election. BLM would become irrelevant after US election because it's nothing but a political tool.

Neither Dems nor Reps would pass any law to address the BLM movement after the election.

So, if by this time next year, 08/24/2021, no law addressing the BLM becomes law, I win. If there is, I lose.

$100 to a charity of choice under the other's name.

Or if you want to make it a year after the election, works for me too.

you said BLM will die down after the election. I bet you are wrong and will continue for years. Many people will still protest after the election no matter who is president. I get you BLM will still be relevant and will still be protesting after the election.

I have already one money from honda and given welfare a 6-month ban. But what good did that do he still kept posting fails. Let's do something different.

[welfare]

A 15 year old boy was killed simply on the basis of him sending a loving letter to a white girl at his work. This was in 1944, my mother was born in 1944. There are family members that are alive from this very time frame today.

And Cannon Hinnant, a 5 year old boy, was killed simply on the basis of him riding his bike in a black mans yard.
Shot point blank execution style in front of his sisters.
I know it wasn't 75 years ago or anything. Just two weeks. But maybe in three quarters of a century people will use his death as an excuse to loot, riot, burn, and commit violence.

[JHatta]

Many people will still protest after the election no matter who is president. I get you BLM will still be relevant and will still be protesting after the election.

This is subjective as without a doubt there will be people protesting BLM for generations. The relevance of the BLM is also subjective.

I think the bet should be made on an objective nature, i.e. a bill being passed, or else it will lead to an argument on the basis of 'many people' and 'relevant' mean to each party.

Just my 0.02

[Manic!]

And Cannon Hinnant, a 5 year old boy, was killed simply on the basis of him riding his bike in a black mans yard.
Shot point blank execution style in front of his sisters.
I know it wasn't 75 years ago or anything. Just two weeks. But maybe in three quarters of a century people will use his death as an excuse to loot, riot, burn, and commit violence.

I thought you believed in castle laws.

FYI they guy who killed the 5-year-old has already been charged. The people who lynched Willie James Howard never spent a day in jail.

[mikemhg]

Simple... my idea is that regardless of who wins the election. BLM would become irrelevant after US election because it's nothing but a political tool.

Neither Dems nor Reps would pass any law to address the BLM movement after the election.

So, if by this time next year, 08/24/2021, no law addressing the BLM becomes law, I win. If there is, I lose.

$100 to a charity of choice under the other's name.

Or if you want to make it a year after the election, works for me too.

Well considering BLM was formed in 2013, back when a Democrat (Obama) was president, I'll take that bet.

BLM will not go away by next year, count me in on that 100%. Like I said, I don't think you understand BLM's goal and agenda, this isn't a Federal movement, the movement is primarily centered around local and state elections.

Bet accepted, mark that down.

[mikemhg]

And Cannon Hinnant, a 5 year old boy, was killed simply on the basis of him riding his bike in a black mans yard.
Shot point blank execution style in front of his sisters.
I know it wasn't 75 years ago or anything. Just two weeks. But maybe in three quarters of a century people will use his death as an excuse to loot, riot, burn, and commit violence.

Continue to parrot the garbage you watch on Fox News, you're a troll and one day I'll meet you and we can chat face to face.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/08/17/how-the-murder-of-5-year-old-cannon-hinnant-became-a-conservative-controversy-about-race/#31f0fa595b67

"The shooting death of a 5-year-old North Carolina boy in his front yard on August 9 has since erupted into a political argument over how the media covers race and crime, with conservative commentators on Fox News and other outlets criticizing the media for ignoring the fact that the boy was white and the suspect Black, though many national news outlets did in fact cover the killing, which both police and the boy's parents say they don’t believe was racially motivated."

Your arguments are so simple and rudimentary. You take one video, or one story, and then decide to extrapolate that example as the entire basis, your analysis never holds weight.

I'm glad there's a large number of white folks that aren't as closed minded to the legacy of history as you are.

[welfare]

George Floyd's death wasn't racially motivated either. That didn't stop the media from making race the central organizing feature.
Yet they couldn't disprove race as a factor in Hinnants death soon enough.

Minimized and negated when it happens to a white person. exploited and emphasized when it's the other way around.
I don't think you could create a better environment for hostility and division.

[mikemhg]

Let me repeat, have you educated yourself on the history of policing in the US?

When has George Floyd's death been proven to not be racially motivated?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/los-angeles-compton-sheriff-deputies-nazi-tattoos-violent-gang-a9655181.html
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/24/us/police-officer-fired-kkk-memorabilia-report/index.html
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31/the-fbi-has-quietly-investigated-white-supremacist-infiltration-of-law-enforcement/

There are countless examples of white supremacists involved in police departments throughout the country. There are a myriad of statistics that support the simple fact of this disproportional treatment within the legal system of blacks as opposed to whites. How much evidence do you require in order to understand this?

As Manic! said, I thought you guys support Castle Law? The shooting you're referencing wasn't done by a police officer or a person of authority, so how does that have any relation to the subject of this thread? You continue to cherry pick to suit your silly little arguments, you are clearly being incredulous, as usual.

[Hehe]

Well considering BLM was formed in 2013, back when a Democrat (Obama) was president, I'll take that bet.

BLM will not go away by next year, count me in on that 100%. Like I said, I don't think you understand BLM's goal and agenda, this isn't a Federal movement, the movement is primarily centered around local and state elections.

Bet accepted, mark that down.

I'm saying that BLM doesn't CARE about black people.

All it's doing is about triggering hate so that they can manipulate the black votes.

They don't push for reforms. They don't push for bills/laws that helps the black community.

You want to take a bet, and let's set it.

Same terms that I posted for Manic.


Simple... my idea is that regardless of who wins the election. BLM would become irrelevant after US election because it's nothing but a political tool.

Neither Dems nor Reps would pass any law to address the BLM movement after the election.

So, if by this time next year, 08/24/2021, no law addressing the BLM becomes law, I win. If there is, I lose.

$100 to a charity of choice under the other's name.

Or if you want to make it a year after the election, works for me too.

It's not meant to inflict any financial pain or anything. That's why I set it at $100 for charity. Just so that you guys can see what EXACTLY BLM is doing for the black community.

you said BLM will die down after the election. I bet you are wrong and will continue for years. Many people will still protest after the election no matter who is president. I get you BLM will still be relevant and will still be protesting after the election.

I have already one money from honda and given welfare a 6-month ban. But what good did that do he still kept posting fails. Let's do something different.

I didn't say that it will die down. I said it'd become irrelevant as neither Dems nor Reps would give a fuck about BLM after the election. You can propose something more objective, I'm all ears. And really... it's only $100. A fill-up on your R8 is more than that. Can we stop being so anal about the terms? What's the point of setting up something with a higher probability of winning?

In fact, the odds are already in your favor as polls showing Biden's lead. And I'm sure if Biden and Dems cares enough about BLM, it'd be one of the first bills Dems push through after the election.

[Manic!]

I'm saying that BLM doesn't CARE about black people.

All it's doing is about triggering hate so that they can manipulate the black votes.

They don't push for reforms. They don't push for bills/laws that helps the black community.

You want to take a bet, and let's set it.

Same terms that I posted for Manic.



It's not meant to inflict any financial pain or anything. That's why I set it at $100 for charity. Just so that you guys can see what EXACTLY BLM is doing for the black community.



I didn't say that it will die down. I said it'd become irrelevant as neither Dems nor Reps would give a fuck about BLM after the election. You can propose something more objective, I'm all ears. And really... it's only $100. A fill-up on your R8 is more than that. Can we stop being so anal about the terms? What's the point of setting up something with a higher probability of winning?

In fact, the odds are already in your favor as polls showing Biden's lead. And I'm sure if Biden and Dems cares enough about BLM, it'd be one of the first bills Dems push through after the election.

I don't care about the money. $100 means nothing for me or probable you. A number of laws have already changed at different levels of government. trump has even done some criminal justice reform. This movement will not die down and changes will happen.

[Manic!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGM61RFuGwo

Really? Someone told them the family was growing weed so they smash the doors and use flashbangs.

[Hehe]

I don't care about the money. $100 means nothing for me or probable you. A number of laws have already changed at different levels of government. trump has even done some criminal justice reform. This movement will not die down and changes will happen.

When? In another 4yrs just before the next election? :fuckthatshit:

[CivicBlues]

I predict moving goal posts for this bet after the election.

[Manic!]

When? In another 4yrs just before the next election? :fuckthatshit:

BLM started in 2013. As long as piece of shit racists exist it's not going to end.

[Hehe]

BLM started in 2013. As long as piece of shit racists exist it's not going to end.

So... 2013... when Obama was still in power. Enlight me what had Obama, its administration and the Dems do about it?

I will tell you what they did: acknowledgment. Saying that... oh yeah, it's a real problem... blah blah blah... and what was done? Nothing. Obama & Co just threw money at them suggesting "helping those in need in America", when it's nothing but to keep those people's mouth shut.

What has Trump and the Reps done during this administration?

Here... this is a note written in 2019 before the whole craze of BLM and Covid started.

https://www.toledoblade.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2019/11/16/black-communities-thriving-thanks-to-president-donald-trump/stories/20191108098

You can ignore everything and just focus on one thing "opportunity zone". I know this first hand because I invest in commercial RE in US, so I can tell you with confidence that it makes a huge difference.

Areas that were once a dump that didn't make sense to invest in, now makes a strong argument for investment.

This includes MANY... I repeat... MANY black-dominating area/communities. You can look it up. I'm not making this up.

This brought works, area gentrification, generate economic activities... to these black people living in those areas.

That's how you lift people out of poverty... not keep throwing spare change money at them and call them "benefits", force company to hire black people based on "equality". That's feeling pitty for them, not trying to help.

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So many here in this thread, as well as in the Trump thread are blaming everything on Trump and the Reps. I get it. Trump is fucking dumb when it comes to deal with some serious issues, like how to contain Covid. But give credit when it's due.

People are furious... so they are looking someone or something to blame. They feel that their misery in life, be it work, school... everything is because the bad decision of someone else.
Before you frame it all on the politics, Trumps... etc. Take an objective view on what everyone have actually done and decide who's really to blame.

If it wasn't for China's CCP fucked up and coverup, would the Covid be less serious now?
If it wasn't for WHO's continuos attempt to play down this virus, would we have still have a normal life?

Just prior the Covid19, we had record low unemployment in both US and Canada... and no one said anything about it. They just focused on the dumb stuff Trump did. And suddenly, everyone is in a shithole.
Oh, and just so happen everyone is blaming Trump, let's do that too.

Just like anything bad happening in Canada it's on JT. And yet somehow when JT does something... anything right, no one seem to care.

We live in an era where information is easily obtainable, but at the same time, too many fighting for attention. Thus, too often the narrative or the headline is more important than the truth itself.

[pastarocket]

-saw this Facebook post on group The original funny Trump memes” about the 17 year old teen who shot people during the Wisconsin BLM protests.

The evil look in that kid’s eyes. Illinois State resident goes to Wisconsin to shoot African Americans.

Somebody posted the Kid’s address on that Facebook post too.

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[threezero]

So... 2013... when Obama was still in power. Enlight me what had Obama, its administration and the Dems do about it?

I will tell you what they did: acknowledgment. Saying that... oh yeah, it's a real problem... blah blah blah... and what was done? Nothing. Obama & Co just threw money at them suggesting "helping those in need in America", when it's nothing but to keep those people's mouth shut.

What has Trump and the Reps done during this administration?

Here... this is a note written in 2019 before the whole craze of BLM and Covid started.

https://www.toledoblade.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2019/11/16/black-communities-thriving-thanks-to-president-donald-trump/stories/20191108098

You can ignore everything and just focus on one thing "opportunity zone". I know this first hand because I invest in commercial RE in US, so I can tell you with confidence that it makes a huge difference.

Areas that were once a dump that didn't make sense to invest in, now makes a strong argument for investment.

This includes MANY... I repeat... MANY black-dominating area/communities. You can look it up. I'm not making this up.

This brought works, area gentrification, generate economic activities... to these black people living in those areas.

That's how you lift people out of poverty... not keep throwing spare change money at them and call them "benefits", force company to hire black people based on "equality". That's feeling pitty for them, not trying to help.

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Gentirification is usually follow by displacement of the original inhabitant. Since you are an investor in US real estate (I assume you are just an investor and not someone that actually resides in the neighborhood). How do you know that the original inhabitant actually benefits? How many of those poor black american living in the area being gentrify are actual home owner?

Who is truly benefiting from a raising property prices in an ex slum? The slumlord or the unfornately renter that have no choice but to live in the ghetto to begin with, precisely due to its low rent price? Where do those people go now that they can no longer afford rent in their previous resident?

This is speaking from a position of priviledge where one already own asset. AKA you as the real estate investor. Any development is great, it improves the ares, raise the economy. All things you can tangibly measure with stats and numbers. What you can't measure is the plight of those that doesn't get records on any official numbers. You know the truly improvish and an under priviledge are doesn't show up in official statistic, Its too poor to even file a tax report and hence does not show in official data and a measurable unit.

One of the big criticism of Trump is his reliance on cherry picking statistic to support his view. For some one with an economic background, this isn't hard to do. What is harder and require empathical thinking is gauging what these numbers have missed.

Gentrification is a neat magic trick. But it isn't a inclusive solution, more akin to sweeping all the dust under the couch and calling it gone instead of vaccuming it up.

[mikemhg]

-saw this Facebook post on group The original funny Trump memes” about the 17 year old teen who shot people during the Wisconsin BLM protests.

The evil look in that kid’s eyes. Illinois State resident goes to Wisconsin to shoot African Americans.

Somebody posted the Kid’s address on that Facebook post too.

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Looks like little Kyle also participated in a program for youth interested in joing law enforcement.

https://i.insider.com/5f468f9789aff80028ab8153?width=700&format=jpeg&auto=webp

I'm so tired of the gas lighting. This is the type of people who are joining law enforcement. White, angry, suburban kids that want to treat the world like the Call of Duty game they play on a daily basis. People who think it makes sense to shoot indiscriminately into a group of protesters. Notice how young Kyle was "arrested" rather than being shot in the back or head?

Fascinating how that works.

[Manic!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8926VnH9ad0

But antifa.

[welfare]

Looks like little Kyle also participated in a program for youth interested in joing law enforcement.

https://i.insider.com/5f468f9789aff80028ab8153?width=700&format=jpeg&auto=webp

I'm so tired of the gas lighting. This is the type of people who are joining law enforcement. White, angry, suburban kids that want to treat the world like the Call of Duty game they play on a daily basis. People who think it makes sense to shoot indiscriminately into a group of protesters. Notice how young Kyle was "arrested" rather than being shot in the back or head?

Fascinating how that works.


He was swarmed then chased by a mob. Looks like he shot in self defense.
The cops didn't shoot him because he calmly walked up to them with his gun down and hands in the air.
Who in their right mind chases a guy with an ar, wielding skateboards, and doesn't expect to get shot?

https://youtu.be/iqZ-aS7Qzk4

[Manic!]

He was swarmed then chased by a mob. Looks like he shot in self defense.
The cops didn't shoot him because he calmly walked up to them with his gun down and hands in the air.
Who in their right mind chases a guy with an ar, wielding skateboards, and doesn't expect to get shot?

https://youtu.be/iqZ-aS7Qzk4

He was being chased because he shot someone first. What the fk is a 17-year-old doing on the street with an assault rifle at night? FailFish

[Manic!]

NBA players have decided to boycott. All 3 NBA playoff games today are canceled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhqKda79Lys

[unit]

He was swarmed then chased by a mob. Looks like he shot in self defense.
The cops didn't shoot him because he calmly walked up to them with his gun down and hands in the air.
Who in their right mind chases a guy with an ar, wielding skateboards, and doesn't expect to get shot?

https://youtu.be/iqZ-aS7Qzk4

he shot someone in the head first before he was jumped. the others weren't going to randomly attack a guy wielding a gun that didn't do anything.

[unit]

He was being chased because he shot someone first. What the fk is a 17-year-old doing on the street with an assault rifle at night? FailFish

he's literally not even from the state, he drove several hours to get there.

[Hondaracer]

Every comment on that video is in support of him lol.. :pokerface:

[6793026]

He was being chased because he shot someone first. What the fk is a 17-year-old doing on the street with an assault rifle at night? FailFish

From the Canadian lens... we would think WTF ...

Depending on the state (eg// Idaho, Kansas ..26 states)... "Nothing is wrong... he is entitled to exercise this rights in the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution to carry, even without a permit and / or in a holster."

It's how you/me/citizens see things from diff angle. No diff than people in Singapore with mind blown when they come over seeing *ahem me / us / people openly smoking weed; DTES injection sites..

I did find it hilarious when he yelled "medicccccc, I need a medic" it's not Call of Duty...
Call 911 ... ambulanceeeeee

[Manic!]

From the Canadian lens... we would think WTF ...

Depending on the state (eg// Idaho, Kansas ..26 states)... "Nothing is wrong... he is entitled to exercise this rights in the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution to carry, even without a permit and / or in a holster."

It's how you/me/citizens see things from diff angle. No diff than people in Singapore with mind blown when they come over seeing *ahem me / us / people openly smoking weed; DTES injection sites..

I did find it hilarious when he yelled "medicccccc, I need a medic" it's not Call of Duty...
Call 911 ... ambulanceeeeee

1. There where police and medics already there.

2. If the kid was black do you think the police would just let him walk around with a gun? the cops even gave him a bottle of water before the shooting.

[CivicBlues]

17-year old drives from out of state with an AR-15 to shoot unarmed protesters? How is this any different from the multitude of school shooters over the years? Jesus Christ the US is in full parody mode now.

[JHatta]

I did find it hilarious when he yelled "medicccccc, I need a medic" it's not Call of Duty...
Call 911 ... ambulanceeeeee

WTF, I didn't find anything hilarious in that video.:rukidding: