[SkinnyPupp]

Yup, it's still 2020 btw.

Everyone knows the deal by now. Cop murders a black person in front of the camera, nothing is done about it until people speak up. Sound familiar? Oh yeah this happened a few weeks ago, only it was an ex cop who chased a man down and gunned him. On camera.

So understandably, people are upset. Kneeling during the anthem wasn't enough (yet it drew a substantial amount of backlash)

People took to the streets, and here we are now. Protests, with the president threatening military action ALREADY.

When one of the world's dimmest minds is president, you get shit like this

https://twitter.com/nathaliebear_/status/1266248065360359428

The world is broken. Even in a democracy like USA. You'd think "if you don't like it, get out and vote!"

Well guess what - it doesn't matter if you vote. The system is too broken. MN is entirely DEM.

So if voting doesn't work, what do people do?

https://twitter.com/fayekinley/status/1266131517786521600

Cop has been charged with murder

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1266438101490110465

Oh yeah there's an election this November. Good luck with that, America...

Fucking god

[Obsideon]

I'm surprised it took this long for this thread to pop up.

[SkinnyPupp]

People are reluctant to start new threads here.. Same thing happened with the covid thread, HK thread, etc. For whatever reason, everyone wants to reply, but not start a conversation

[DavidNguyen]

The Fail Button Scares People haha

[SkinnyPupp]

Obama's statement

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1266400635429310466

[underscore]

What's to discuss? Protests turn into a riot when people wanting to start trashing shit show up (both randoms who don't care about the protest and people wanting to make the protestors look bad), things spiral to where more people end up hurt/killed than there were in the original event. The people on both sides who are full of hate look at the actions of the other side to add to their hate and the people on both sides who profit from the hate use it to make themselves more money. The guy who started it all gets some level of backlash but nobody bothers to look at those in charge that let that guy even be in that position.

In the end nothing ends up changing any faster than it already was and everyone forgets it in a week or two anyways. Repeat until the end of time.

[SkinnyPupp]

What's to discuss? Protests turn into a riot when people wanting to start trashing shit show up (both randoms who don't care about the protest and people wanting to make the protestors look bad), things spiral to where more people end up hurt/killed than there were in the original event. The people on both sides who are full of hate look at the actions of the other side to add to their hate and the people on both sides who profit from the hate use it to make themselves more money. The guy who started it all gets some level of backlash but nobody bothers to look at those in charge that let that guy even be in that position.

In the end nothing ends up changing any faster than it already was and everyone forgets it in a week or two anyways. Repeat until the end of time.
Why even bother doing or saying anything then?

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/mukhtaryare/status/1266413742939672578

[StylinRed]

They should target government buildings, not mom n pop shops, etc just so they can steal hookahs, cigs, beer

Even though the officer was charged, I doubt he'd be convicted, the neck pin with his knee is okayed in their state pd playbook

[underscore]

Why even bother doing or saying anything then?

To be honest I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to do or say to try and help anymore. Unless it's an actual organization involved everyone wants you to do something different, and what some people say is correct others find horribly offensive. Everyone has limited time and resources and before you've even started sorting out what you think is the best thing to do people have dropped it and moved on to something else and now you're starting from scratch. It's exhausting and making me pretty jaded.

Now I can say what I think should be done, but I lack the resources to do it myself. The guy had 17 prior complaints which is apparently much higher than normal, those should be opened up and reviewed along with whatever other files there are on him to see if higher ups were negligent in allowing him to even be employed in the position he was in. If so they should face any applicable charges. That's one way to start making positive change that I can think of but I doubt it will happen.

[Hondaracer]

Loot for justice!

https://i.imgur.com/ObWI89n.jpg

The states is a really ugly place right now, and has been for quite some time. Honestly wife really wants to go to Disneyland as do I but fuck almost have a hard time bringing myself to cross the border.

Not all white people are racist, not all cops are bad, but it’s continually the same stereotype that get caught up in these situations and if anything it should shine a bright spotlight on law enforcement in general and the type of people that are recruited into it.

The looting and whatnot is a terrible byproduct and honestly it probably hurts the cause wayyyy more than it helps.

The states has huge minority population of vastly different races but it’s largely African Americans that are almost always wrapped up in these incidents whether at fault or not. Hard to believe the “hard working” Sikh, Chinese, Mexican, immigrant living in the subburbs or elsewhere looks at the looting and wreckless violence perpetrated by almost all blacks and comes away with a negative perception of them as a whole instead of directing their thoughts at the perpetrators of the crimes that initiated it.

Another somewhat apt meme:

https://i.imgur.com/PzFf4xA.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

To be honest I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to do or say to try and help anymore. Unless it's an actual organization involved everyone wants you to do something different, and what some people say is correct others find horribly offensive. Everyone has limited time and resources and before you've even started sorting out what you think is the best thing to do people have dropped it and moved on to something else and now you're starting from scratch. It's exhausting and making me pretty jaded.

Now I can say what I think should be done, but I lack the resources to do it myself. The guy had 17 prior complaints which is apparently much higher than normal, those should be opened up and reviewed along with whatever other files there are on him to see if higher ups were negligent in allowing him to even be employed in the position he was in. If so they should face any applicable charges. That's one way to start making positive change that I can think of but I doubt it will happen.
Not saying that we should all sneak across the border into the US and join the protests

But do what it takes to make things better. We were talking about privilege in the Trump thread - that's one thing. Being socially aware is pretty important, because just saying "it'll happen anyway" is how things just stay the same, or in some cases get worse.

Yes if you look at the entire human history, things have been pretty good for the last 70 years or so in comparison. But can't it be better? We're still operating on policies that were infected for hundreds of years. Why not try to change that?

Being able to be so apathetic is a huge privilege in itself. Maybe start with why that is.

[MarkyMark]

Not all white people are racist, not all cops are bad, but it’s continually the same stereotype that get caught up in these situations and if anything it should shine a bright spotlight on law enforcement in general and the type of people that are recruited into it.


These "good" cops also turn a blind eye to the shitty ones and back them up when they pull some shady shit.

You'll be fine at Disneyland btw, lol.

[Hondaracer]

These "good" cops also turn a blind eye to the shitty ones and back them up when they pull some shady shit.

You'll be fine at Disneyland btw, lol.

I know I’ll be fine but it’s moreso I don’t care to support the country or travel there.

[StylinRed]

Go to Disneyland Japan, it's much nicer

[Manic!]

Loot for justice!



The states has huge minority population of vastly different races but it’s largely African Americans that are almost always wrapped up in these incidents whether at fault or not. Hard to believe the “hard working” Sikh, Chinese, Mexican, immigrant living in the subburbs or elsewhere looks at the looting and wreckless violence perpetrated by almost all blacks and comes away with a negative perception of them as a whole instead of directing their thoughts at the perpetrators of the crimes that initiated it.


https://i.redd.it/7y7t6171wp151.jpg

https://scontent.fyvr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/13217278_988649834564808_8364719374576785856_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_ohc=WYv8hQ6O8toAX_a01Gf&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr4-1.fna&oh=6679d0fddb29b9c8e1152069e988d068&oe=5EF93710


All minorities feel the pain of what happened. Many of my friends and family have been posting about this.

[underscore]

But do what it takes to make things better. We were talking about privilege in the Trump thread - that's one thing. Being socially aware is pretty important, because just saying "it'll happen anyway" is how things just stay the same, or in some cases get worse.

Being able to be so apathetic is a huge privilege in itself. Maybe start with why that is.

I genuinely don't even know what this is supposed to mean. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just dumb as shit and I honestly don't know what the heck I'm supposed to do to be "socially aware" and I have very little free time to try and figure that out.

[SumAznGuy]

These "good" cops also turn a blind eye to the shitty ones and back them up when they pull some shady shit.

It's so retarded. 3 CNN staff members were arrested while reporting the story.

And yes, the officer who was kneeling on the victim's neck had a long history.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-officer-who-pressed-knee-on-george-floyds-neck-had-nearly-2/

FailFish

[Manic!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftLzQefpBvM

[SkinnyPupp]

I genuinely don't even know what this is supposed to mean. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just dumb as shit and I honestly don't know what the heck I'm supposed to do to be "socially aware" and I have very little free time to try and figure that out.
I can't tell you what to do or how to think. All I can say is I think it's not good for everyone to just "put their heads down and live their lives". What you do is up to you. What can you do? What are other people doing? Maybe support them? Financially possibly? Find someone who can make positive changes politically, and support them in some way?

Again not trying to guilt trip you or anything (which brings up - acknowledging privilege should NOT make you feel guilty for something you can't control but I digress). Just saying, "turning a blind eye" is what the fuckheads want. How long did people "turn a blind eye" to this racist cop? Now he's killed someone. And this happens DDDDDDDDDDDDDDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIILYYYYYYYYYY. It's happening in Hong Kong now too. It's how the cycle continues. Some people have no choice but to be in the thick of it, some want no part in it... Just do what you want man. I might post if I think I disagree but I won't say you're a bad person or anything like that.

[MarkyMark]

I can't tell you what to do or how to think. All I can say is I think it's not good for everyone to just "put their heads down and live their lives". What you do is up to you. What can you do? What are other people doing? Maybe support them? Financially possibly? Find someone who can make positive changes politically, and support them in some way?

Again not trying to guilt trip you or anything (which brings up - acknowledging privilege should NOT make you feel guilty for something you can't control but I digress). Just saying, "turning a blind eye" is what the fuckheads want. How long did people "turn a blind eye" to this racist cop? Now he's killed someone. And this happens DDDDDDDDDDDDDDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIILYYYYYYYYYY. It's happening in Hong Kong now too. It's how the cycle continues. Some people have no choice but to be in the thick of it, some want no part in it... Just do what you want man. I might post if I think I disagree but I won't say you're a bad person or anything like that.

Do you not think progress is being made in the grand scheme of things though? 50-60 years ago you'd be hard pressed to find a white person who gave a shit about a white cop killing a black person in cold blood. It's coming man, people do care and this bullshit where cops get away with crap like this won't last forever especially now that video evidence is commonplace.

[SkinnyPupp]

Do you not think progress is being made in the grand scheme of things though? 50-60 years ago you'd be hard pressed to find a white person who gave a shit about a white cop killing a black person in cold blood. It's coming man, people do care and this bullshit where cops get away with crap like this won't last forever especially now that video evidence is commonplace.
I can't say, because I don't have to live their lives. Sure it's "better than it was 50 years ago" but that's still REALLY fucking bad.

With all this coming out, and with (the good part of) social media, we're hearing more about the daily lives of black people in America. It's every little thing they have to do in their daily lives that I think about. It doesn't always result in a cop crushing your neck and killing you, but there are so many little things that they have to deal with, it all must add up. Again all I can do is mentally put myself in their shoes. When I do, I see how bad it really is. No there's not segregated buses and shit like that, but there is so much more. Things on the surface, things buried underneath.

Just look at what happened in NYC last week. A guy who was taking pictures of birds asked a lady to leash her dog, and she went insane. She basically "swatted" him right in front of him (on camera) knowing full well how he will be treated in that situation.

And before you dismiss that as "just a crazy racist white lady" no it's not just that. The fact that she could WEAPONIZE THE POLICE against him shows how broken things still are. The actual police, who are supposed to protect her AND him, are being used as a weapon against HIM. That wouldn't be the case if he was white.

And it goes from there... The guy gunned down going for a jog. The woman who was killed in her bedroom by cops, who performed a no-knock raid on her home, and shot 20 rounds into her bedroom as her BF tried to defend himself thinking they were being robbed.

Oh that's just in the last month or so...

Day to day life is so fucked up when you have to walk on eggshells to just get by normally. I don't even know if we can fully appreciate that.

[MarkyMark]

I can't say, because I don't have to live their lives. Sure it's "better than it was 50 years ago" but that's still REALLY fucking bad.

With all this coming out, and with (the good part of) social media, we're hearing more about the daily lives of black people in America. It's every little thing they have to do in their daily lives that I think about. It doesn't always result in a cop crushing your neck and killing you, but there are so many little things that they have to deal with, it all must add up. Again all I can do is mentally put myself in their shoes. When I do, I see how bad it really is. No there's not segregated buses and shit like that, but there is so much more. Things on the surface, things buried underneath.

Just look at what happened in NYC last week. A guy who was taking pictures of birds asked a lady to leash her dog, and she went insane. She basically "swatted" him right in front of him (on camera) knowing full well how he will be treated in that situation.

And before you dismiss that as "just a crazy racist white lady" no it's not just that. The fact that she could WEAPONIZE THE POLICE against him shows how broken things still are. The actual police, who are supposed to protect her AND him, are being used as a weapon against HIM. That wouldn't be the case if he was white.

And it goes from there... The guy gunned down going for a jog. The woman who was killed in her bedroom by cops, who performed a no-knock raid on her home, and shot 20 rounds into her bedroom as her BF tried to defend himself thinking they were being robbed.

Oh that's just in the last month or so...

Day to day life is so fucked up when you have to walk on eggshells to just get by normally. I don't even know if we can fully appreciate that.

I agree, things are fucked. I also maintain the notion that the majority of people think this shit is wrong, and when that is the case change is bound to happen. We live in a world where you can't hide this shit anymore. I don't have to put myself in their shoes to see it's wrong, it's clear as day even as an outsider.

It's a black eye on our generation. We look at slavery and think "wtf was wrong with these people to think that's ok" and 50 years from now that generation will look at us as think "wtf was wrong with them?".

That's my hope at least.

[Hondaracer]

Is it happening more now or is it just filmed more?

I realize that fact that it happens at all is a black eye but you’d have to think things have improved

[RiceIntegraRS]

Im actually kinda glad this shit is happening. It shows that the people are no longer willing to bend over and take it up the ass anymore. You see all those movies where they show the future all being fucked up with cops having very limited to no power. Its where we're headed if they dont smarten up.

[68style]

Is it happening more now or is it just filmed more?

I realize that fact that it happens at all is a black eye but you’d have to think things have improved

I agree with this in a lot of ways... things have improved, it's just everything is scrutinized and shared in ways it never was before.

I mean I grew up in the 80's and there were so many cool black guys I looked up to in basketball, baseball, Mr. T in A-Team, wrestling, rappers, Lando in Star Wars......... those are just a few examples off the top of my head. I never thought of them as black even back in those days. I just thought they were cool characters and yah they happened to be black.

Have we not progressed at all since then? I would assume so... maybe I'm wrong?

Not even sure what my point is... but damn so many racists in the USA seem to be my age (40-ish) and older so I find it surprising it persists considering the culture we grew up in was already getting pretty friendly to that culture.

[SkinnyPupp]

They should target government buildings, not mom n pop shops
Hmm, tell that to the cops that are destroying these places and provoking others to do so?

More cops dressed like protesters (https://tuckbot.tv/#/watch/gta5qg), caught red handed, bald faced lying when confronted.

[westopher]

I think the public perception is a very disturbing part of this. You have people standing with guns blocking hospital entrances, threatening frontline workers over being told to wear a mask and being told they have to wait a month to get a haircut, and the outrage over the behaviour was not 1% of this. Risking people’s lives over something that trivial is far worse than the byproduct (Looting) of those riots.

[StylinRed]

Im actually kinda glad this shit is happening. It shows that the people are no longer willing to bend over and take it up the ass anymore. You see all those movies where they show the future all being fucked up with cops having very limited to no power. Its where we're headed if they dont smarten up.

There's been riots before, worse ones, hasn't changed a thing in the us

[Manic!]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wife-officer-charged-murder-george-floyd-announces-she-s-divorcing-n1219276
Wife of officer charged with murder of George Floyd announces she's divorcing him
"Her utmost sympathy lies with [Floyd's] family, with his loved ones and with everyone who is grieving this tragedy," a statement from Chauvin's attorney read in part.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lf_2JyXocY

[Mr.Money]

anyone else find it funny bitches be in riots than yell "AHHHH!"..

like they didn't know they were in warzone FailFish

[StylinRed]

More close to home

Suspected shoplifter is involved in a struggle with store security, ends up dying after police handcuff him.

Store security always think they're Rambo, so I wonder what happened... IIO is investigating the police conduct, which doesn't help if it's the fault of security, wonder what if we'll hear about the coroner's investigstion


https://iiobc.ca/media/iio-is-investigating-an-incident-in-richmond-2020-107/

Surrey, B.C. – The Independent Investigations Office (IIO) of BC is investigating an incident in Richmond.

Information provided by the RCMP indicates that on May 28, 2020 at approximately 7:35 p.m., officers responded to a report of a man, the affected person in this case, who was alleged to be engaged in a struggle at a business near the intersection of Steveston Highway and Number 5 Road in Richmond. Upon arrival, officers placed the man in handcuffs and found the man to be in medical distress. Officers began CPR and called Emergency Health Services, who provided further medical assistance for approximately 45 minutes before transporting the man to the hospital. The man was pronounced deceased shortly after arriving at the hospital.

The IIO is asking that any person who saw, heard or recorded the incident to contact the IIO Witness Line toll free at 1-855-446-8477.

The IIO will investigate to determine what role, if any, the officers’ actions or inaction may have played into the death of the male. The RCMP is currently investigating the circumstances surrounding the man’s death, and the BC Coroners Service will investigate to determine how, where, when and by what means he came to his death.

[quasi]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wife-officer-charged-murder-george-floyd-announces-she-s-divorcing-n1219276



I mean they probably talked about it after the incident seeing how it blew up knowing his arrest was coming and it's a way to separate her from him, try and protect assets from incoming lawsuit and hopefully keep people from taking it out on her and their home.

It doesn't really matter, she's not the one that did the deed but honestly it's probably nothing more than giving the optics of separation regardless if it's legit or not.

[mikemhg]

If we didn't have a video of the shooting that happened in Georgia, none of us would know it even happened.

The real problem as I've said before, is white supremacy, white nationalists, have been infiltrating every level of government for many decades within the States.

The guy who shot Mr. Arbery was a racist ex-cop. Two district attorneys tried to cover the crime up (they are now being investigated by federal and state authorities). If the video on this crime didn't go viral, both McMichaels would likely have never been arrested.

That's the problem here, these people are in every level of government. From the beat cops, to the district attorneys, to the judges.

What people fail to realize is that the civil war has never truly ended. This idea of "State Rights" is fundamentally tied to the idea of white supremacy, and the allowance of such Jim Crow laws. This is why they vehemently fight the idea of a Federal Government. I don't support the FBI as they have their own racial issues, but without such apparatus, many of these States would simply run roughshod.

I truly am exhausted and tired of seeing this happen, when will there be real change? We need accountability, we need many people in their positions removed entirely, which won't happen. I don't want this story to become another forgotten one in which we'll be talking about something else in a few weeks.

I fully support the rioting as well. What has peaceful protests done? Absolutely nothing. StylinRed made a great point, target governmental building, hit them where it economically hurts.

You burn down that police station and cars, less budget for the force, less jobs for the cops, less raises, maybe then you'll see some officers eschew their gangster mentality of the "thin blue line", and hold their fellow officers accountable for these actions.

You had 4 officers on George Floyd, including that feckless Thao officer. Not one of them told "officer" Chauvin to lay off the man, not a simple one of them. Where is the human compassion? Why do the police act as though they are a gang, and that no matter what action, they must defend their fellow officer's terrible actions?

If you have a buddy in a fist fight, and he's won the fight, and continues to hit the guy, you would stop him, tell him to lay off. Why do we never see such actions by the police? Where are the morals, where is the integrity and backbone that they should so hold in such a position?

[Nlkko]

White Americans know full well the power and privilege they have over black people, Asian people, Mexicans or any other people who are born with a different skin tone or any minority/ marginal group.
Exhibit A: White cop has a knee on black man's neck (who was handcuffed in the back and pinned to the ground) with both hands in his pocket as the camera rolls, for over 8 minutes, over 2 of those after the dude visibly appeared to be unresponsive. All the while with multiple people pleading with him. Even with the video, they have medical examiner blaming it on "pre-existing conditions". This is how they get off scot-free. So your video don't matter.

Exhibit B: "White Karen" Amy Cooper called the cop on a black dude bird-watching because he told her to leash her dog and start filming her when she refused to in the middle of Central Park using the phrase "black man threatening". This happens on the same day of the George Floyd murder.

That's the kind of impunity that tells you: "I'm safe, I'm powerful, I'm protected. I'm gonna kill/have you killed because I didn't like the way you responded to me".

[Bouncing Bettys]

https://twitter.com/Rondell_Trevino/status/1266776954176446465

[StylinRed]

Exhibit B: "White Karen" Amy Cooper called the cop on a black dude bird-watching because he told her to leash her dog and start filming her when she refused to in the middle of Central Park using the phrase "black man threatening". This happens on the same day of the George Floyd murder.

That's the kind of impunity that tells you: "I'm safe, I'm powerful, I'm protected. I'm gonna kill/have you killed because I didn't like the way you responded to me".

Her 911 call was quite shocking, especially how she acted more, n more in distress. However, after reading the guys description of what happened before he started to film, I can understand why she called 911, it doesn't excuse that she basically tried to have him killed, but still.

[westopher]

What did happen before the 911 call?

[SkinnyPupp]

What I'm seeing is a lot of these protests are staying pretty peaceful until the white supremacists show up, trying to provoke shit

https://twitter.com/thejordynbrown/status/1266633436359344136

[jing]

Open and shut case, Johnson.

[underscore]

EDIT: this is incorrect, see the later update

As seems to usually be the case, the rioters for the most part are not protestors.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/05/30/additional-1000-national-guard-soldiers-tapped-for-saturday-in-riot-torn-minneapolis/

St. Paul Mayor Melvin Carter III said that, although there weren’t as many addresses in his city on the comparatively quiet Friday night, “every single person” that was taken into custody was from out of state.

Gov. Walz at one point Saturday morning suggested that the people doing the violence are estimated to be about 80% from out of state, and 20% from within, and told reporters they will be releasing names and background information on those arrested.

“The militarization of civilian population is a deep concern,” Walz said. “If you are on the street tonight, it is very clear: you are not with us. You do not share our values. And we will use the full strength of goodness and righteousness to make sure that this ends.”

I'm sure someone will have the idea that they just let the locals go, but bear in mind that even if that was the case for non-locals to be getting arrested non-locals have to be showing up.

[Manic!]

I have no idea what the police in NY are trying to accomplish. Live feed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPBaAhJC_7E

[SkinnyPupp]

FTP

https://twitter.com/nataliealund/status/1266877181164089349

[whitev70r]

Here we go ... a major protest in a democratic country. Let's see how the US treats the protesters vs. China ... and no, before some simpletons reduce this to Pro-China anti-China, it isn't and I'm not. If anything, we get to see the different approaches, if any.

So far, in week 1 - States called National Guard, use of tear gas, rubber bullets, curfew imposed, protesters arrested, attack dogs protect the White House, arrest of a black CNN reporter.

[threezero]

Here we go ... a major protest in a democratic country. Let's see how the US treats the protesters vs. China ... and no, before some simpletons reduce this to Pro-China anti-China, it isn't and I'm not. If anything, we get to see the different approaches, if any.

So far, in week 1 - States called National Guard, use of tear gas, rubber bullets, curfew imposed, protesters arrested, attack dogs protect the White House, arrest of a black CNN reporter.

Helpful to also point out how quickly the protest turn violent in the states vs Hong Kong.

Trying to be Being objective here. Force from the police only happen after the protest turn violent and that goes for both stateside and in Hong Kong

The degree of violent form police and the protestor on the state side is also 10x that of the Hong Kong. At least at the current stage

[Hondaracer]

Yay, go China

[dbaz]

all for peaceful protests, but looting and vandalism is just stupid.
america needs a distraction and something to unite from this, china will probably be it.

[underscore]

https://i.imgur.com/uMR7F9C.png

https://i.imgur.com/asEWG2G.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

I see practically no difference between the way the US cops are acting and the way HK cops are acting (edit: except those cops holding the sign in KC - let's see them actually take action against their peers though). And I have seen footage literally every day for the last year.

Shit like this is so familiar

https://streamable.com/2jus6b

I've seen that scene at least 1000 times in Hong Kong. Cop gets mouthy with protester or press, loses their cool, and shoots at them and/or everyone else around. One reporter lost an eye because of it.

They just attack people indiscriminately because they can. They are abusing people, it must give them boners or something. I can't even guess what makes these people act so cruel. Some of them must be "normal people" deep inside somewhere.

https://streamable.com/ipu3r

They're also attacking journalists, just like HK cops started doing

https://twitter.com/ChrisBishopL1C4/status/1266546753182056453

Edit: Oh look, another journalist permanently lost their eye after being shot by a cop?

https://twitter.com/KillerMartinis/status/1266786161143537669

Also let's see when US cops start encouraging white supremacist gangs to attack protesters... Who will be the first protester to be raped I wonder?

Why compare anyway? It's all bad shit. The world is broken.

[StylinRed]

What did happen before the 911 call?

They were supposedly alone in that part of the park, and he confronted her about leashing her dog, she said her dog needs exercise, and the dog parks are closed due to covid, he said she could go to some other neighbourhood, she said it's not safe in that area.

So the guy says (this is his description of events remember) "if you're going to do what you want to do, then I'm going to do what I want to, and you're not going to like it..." he then proceeds to try and lure her dog over
She screams "get away from my dog"

That's also when the video begins

Now, I don't believe bird boy was going to do anything, but I can understand why she called 911, albeit she brought race and her acting skills into it :heckno:

[SkinnyPupp]

Saw this a lot in Hong Kong too - fascists attacking protesters with weapons and getting beat down for it in self defense. Which then gets covered in the media as "violent rioters attacking civilians"

https://twitter.com/Gingersonfire/status/1266884385854255104

[Bouncing Bettys]

Before the protests/riots/lootings occured, as the footage of George Floyd was being shared everywhere, I was seeing people from all walks of life and people of all political camps, even officers of the law, condemning what happened. It was incredible to see everyone come together on one issue. That should not be forgotten in all of this.

[Manic!]

Before the protests/riots/lootings occured, as the footage of George Floyd was being shared everywhere, I was seeing people from all walks of life and people of all political camps, even officers of the law, condemning what happened. It was incredible to see everyone come together on one issue. That should not be forgotten in all of this.

Everyone my ass.

[westopher]

Everyone as in every person, no. But what he is saying is people from all groups regardless of race, economic and religious divide. Yes he’s right about that definitively.

[SkinnyPupp]

What I saw was his fellow officers not doing anything as he slowly killed a man. And yes this one was caught on film, what about all the rest that didn't?

But yes in this case, in general people are appalled, which is better than being divisive...

[SkinnyPupp]

This video montage is a mirror image of Hong Kong

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266917228752056320

Not just cops either - national guard

https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225

[AzNightmare]

You had 4 officers on George Floyd, including that feckless Thao officer. Not one of them told "officer" Chauvin to lay off the man, not a simple one of them. Where is the human compassion? Why do the police act as though they are a gang, and that no matter what action, they must defend their fellow officer's terrible actions?

If you have a buddy in a fist fight, and he's won the fight, and continues to hit the guy, you would stop him, tell him to lay off. Why do we never see such actions by the police? Where are the morals, where is the integrity and backbone that they should so hold in such a position?

What rank was Chauvin? I wonder if sometimes, it's cause a lower rank officer keeps quiet in fear of repercussion. At the end of the day, they want to cover their own ass and snitching on their partners may make their own lives and career harder.

I'm not necessarily saying if this applied for this situation, but just trying to make some sense out of it. I'm glad every officer involved were fired.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/05/29/lawyer-wife-of-charged-ex-mpd-officer-derek-chauvin-files-for-divorce/

Apparently Chauvin's wife is also filing for divorce now. Looks like he's losing more than just his career...

[Teriyaki]

This video montage is a mirror image of Hong Kong

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266917228752056320

Not just cops either - national guard

https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225

Hong Kong Police: Lets run over protestors with a bike

NYPD: Hold My Beer

FailFish

[Manic!]

What rank was Chauvin? I wonder if sometimes, it's cause a lower rank officer keeps quiet in fear of repercussion. At the end of the day, they want to cover their own ass and snitching on their partners may make their own lives and career harder.

I'm not necessarily saying if this applied for this situation, but just trying to make some sense out of it. I'm glad every officer involved were fired.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/05/29/lawyer-wife-of-charged-ex-mpd-officer-derek-chauvin-files-for-divorce/

Apparently Chauvin's wife is also filing for divorce now. Looks like he's losing more than just his career...

I mean they probably talked about it after the incident seeing how it blew up knowing his arrest was coming and it's a way to separate her from him, try and protect assets from incoming lawsuit and hopefully keep people from taking it out on her and their home.

It doesn't really matter, she's not the one that did the deed but honestly it's probably nothing more than giving the optics of separation regardless if it's legit or not.


.....

[Manic!]

Live stream from Minneapolis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZErkzTyoGo

[RRxtar]

This is getting out of hand. It's not a black racism or bad cops thing. This is a society that has absolutely no unity or respect for eachother. These aren't protests to empower anyone. This is an excuse to justify full blown violence.

[pastarocket]

I support the peaceful protesters in America who chant lines such as "I can't breathe!" or "Black Lives Matter!". Heck, news outlets reported peaceful protests in European cities like London and Berlin in response to those ex-cops murdering George Floyd.

However, there are groups of "protesters" who are exploiting the situation with vandalizing stores and looting in various U.S. cities. Yes, that kind of looting happens in pretty much all riots but it doesn't justify the criminal acts. Looters grabbing all the Gucci, Dior, and other designer brand stuff in the name of "protest". :facepalm:


-saw live news feed of looters walking into North Face and other stores in downtown Seattle to grab merchandise as if everything in stores were free on Black Friday. Disgusting. The Nike Store manager in downtown Seattle had to bring in private security to protect the store from people looting. -looks like a warzone in Seattle now with some police vehicles set on fire and stores destroyed. Unreal!

-reminds me of the same shit that happened in downtown Vancouver after the fucking Bruins beat our Canucks in game 7 in 2011 albeit under different circumstances.
:facepalm:

[Manic!]

There is no right way for a black person to protest. Look how upset people got at colin kaepernick.

https://i0.wp.com/www.cr-cath.pvt.k12.ia.us/lasalle/Resources/8th%20Websites%202013/Josh%20Sophia%20Brylie%20Nicole%20Rev%20War/Sophia%20Maher%20Rev.%20War/images/boston-tea-party-3.jpg

Boston Tea party

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1266845479268212736

[underscore]

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/05/30/additional-1000-national-guard-soldiers-tapped-for-saturday-in-riot-torn-minneapolis/

Turns out this was incorrect, the damage is being done by locals: https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/05/30/mayor-says-he-was-incorrect-in-saying-every-person-arrested-in-minneapolis-protests-was-from-out-of-state/#57fa29b6233c

[Amuse]

https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1266908354821206016Compared to HK police officers, these US officers are much bigger.

[StylinRed]

https://twitter.com/ShawnGarrett/status/1266875751552278528

Supposedly the guy with the AR has an open carry license, the guy who took it from him is an undercover officer

[SkinnyPupp]

It's getting worse and worse. I'm going off twitter for a while

[StylinRed]

This video montage is a mirror image of Hong Kong

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266917228752056320

Not just cops either - national guard

https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225

It's like I mentioned back in the HK protest thread, everyone kept singing about how bad HK cops were, and how great mericuh/western police are, and it's just like wtf were you guys smoking to think that? this isn't even that bad G8/antifah riot police crackdowns are far worse

[Manic!]

https://twitter.com/ShawnGarrett/status/1266875751552278528

Supposedly the guy with the AR has an open carry license, the guy who took it from him is an undercover officer

The NRA should be all over that one.

[twdm]

So what happened to the social distancing crusaders? These folks are killing elderly people.

Here's a radical opinion. These protests are an indirect consequence of corona lockdowns due to the pressures of poverty and social isolation. All people needed was any kind of spark. Now people with pent up frustration have an excuse to go out and destroy shit.

[SkinnyPupp]

So what happened to the social distancing crusaders? These folks are killing elderly people.

Here's a radical opinion. These protests are an indirect consequence of corona lockdowns due to the pressures of poverty and social isolation. All people needed was any kind of spark. Now people with pent up frustration have an excuse to go out and destroy shit.
Last week I promised to myself that I would be nicer to people online, and often that includes ignoring people I would otherwise interact with.

But dude, go read some history... That's all I'll say. This isn't a new thing. Hell it predates America itself.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1267018071207669760

First China claims that the US has infiltrated Hong Kong, causing unrest, and now they are saying Hong Kong people have infiltrated America, causing unrest EleGiggle

[underscore]

https://twitter.com/ShawnGarrett/status/1266875751552278528

Supposedly the guy with the AR has an open carry license, the guy who took it from him is an undercover officer

Two rifles were taken from police cars and recovered by a guy doing security for one of the news crews. Pretty sure that guy just saved that kids life.

[StylinRed]

Most definitely, I'm surprised he didn't just shoot him

https://twitter.com/Goodable/status/1266933266545881088

[Amuse]

Keep it peaceful.

https://twitter.com/midmichigannow/status/1266907736735956996

https://twitter.com/FrostyTheSkid/status/1266844355148632064

https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1266924387795709954

[westopher]

The first video is what police should be all about. Deescalate the situation, support the public, stand with the people for what is right. There is no other way moving forward.
Of course I understand they must keep order. They must prevent violence and destruction. But they MUST not escalate the situation, and they must keep order before things become violent. The riots are starting as protests, and they have at least some power to dictate how the situation unfolds.

[Manic!]

Guy lies on tv on why he got beat up.

https://youtu.be/iogC71pX_YQ

[eclipseman]

The premise of the protests are fine, but there are idiots doing things like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLcTpHRQEik

[MG1]

So thankful I live in Canada.

I have friends and relatives who live and work down south. It's tough when you work hard and all of it just gets blown up. Looting, violence, business getting torched, etc. I will take high cost of living and lower wages any day. Knowing my family is pretty safe.

[Nlkko]

So what happened to the social distancing crusaders? These folks are killing elderly people.

Here's a radical opinion. These protests are an indirect consequence of corona lockdowns due to the pressures of poverty and social isolation. All people needed was any kind of spark. Now people with pent up frustration have an excuse to go out and destroy shit.

This man went to Costco and bought bulk tinfoil hats.

[Jmac]

So thankful I live in Canada.

I have friends and relatives who live and work down south. It's tough when you work hard and all of it just gets blown up. Looting, violence, business getting torched, etc. I will take high cost of living and lower wages any day. Knowing my family is pretty safe.
We’re a lot better in Canada but race relations still aren’t great.

[JSALES]

Must be scary living in America at times like these especially with all the riots and looting going on. I feel bad for some of the small business owners who got their store destroyed. At least protest peacefully

[whitev70r]

This is just round 1 of this ... wait till the white cop gets acquitted or, even if he is convicted with a ridiculously light sentence and is essentially released because he served it waiting for trial.

[underscore]

The first video is what police should be all about. Deescalate the situation, support the public, stand with the people for what is right. There is no other way moving forward.
Of course I understand they must keep order. They must prevent violence and destruction. But they MUST not escalate the situation, and they must keep order before things become violent. The riots are starting as protests, and they have at least some power to dictate how the situation unfolds.

Seeing what is going on in varying cities the response from the police seems to have a very large impact on what direction a protest takes. It's not entirely on them, but in the cities with riots the orders being given to the officers and how they deal with the officers who were escalating things should make it pretty obvious which departments need to have some higher-ups removed from their positions.

[mikemhg]

Must be scary living in America at times like these especially with all the riots and looting going on. I feel bad for some of the small business owners who got their store destroyed. At least protest peacefully

You're more concerned about an AutoZone than the fact that someone who is black can literally die in a regular interaction with a police officer?

That you can be literally shot going for a jog in a neighborhood by an ex-cop, and have that covered up by your government to protect them?

That you can be shot and killed in your sleep, in your own house, with no repercussions?

But yes, lets be more concerned with the burning down of a Target or AutoZone.

Please do tell, what has peaceful protests done? We were peaceful protesting going back to the 60's under Martin Luther, we're now in 2020 and still dealing with the same problems.

It's very convenient for someone like you who is unaffected by this situation to armchair proclaim that they should "peacefully" protest at this point.

[Hondaracer]

We’re a lot better in Canada but race relations still aren’t great.

Frankly it’s engrained in the system here with the liberals interpretation of “reconciliation”

[mikemhg]

This is just round 1 of this ... wait till the white cop gets acquitted or, even if he is convicted with a ridiculously light sentence and is essentially released because he served it waiting for trial.

I said it to a friend of mine, as this happens often when charges are actually pushed forward.

The defense team will argue that the jury pool in Minneapolis will be too tainted, and that he would not receive a fair trial.

They will then move the case to another "whiter" county, and a jury of his peers will acquit him.

They did the same thing in the same state of Minnesota with the Philando Castile case, stacking the jury, which ultimately acquitted him.

https://www.salon.com/2017/06/23/the-philando-castile-jury-was-stacked-with-pro-gun-pro-cop-middle-aged-white-people_partner/

The same thing in New York with Amadou Diallo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20000225/aponline174509_000.htm

It goes on and on. But we'll see what happens, 3rd degree murder and manslaughter IMHO are already too light, this can easily constitute 2nd degree murder.

[westopher]

If he is acquitted I can not imagine the consequences.

[Alpine]

What happened to Coronavirus? I guess it wasn't successful enough so time to move onto the next plan. 2020 might as well be a Broadway show.

[whitev70r]

^^ you're not that young. You must remember ... Rodney King but x10.

[westopher]

I was 7 when it happened. I definitely remember it but certainly didn’t grasp the gravity of it back then either. This is 28 years later and as such 28 years more of anger doesn’t bode well for the situation. Not to mention the greater awareness people country wide have of it, as well as the outrage being felt by more than just the black community did back then.

[underscore]

But yes, lets be more concerned with the burning down of a Target or AutoZone.

I'm not sure how the franchising works but I don't think Target and AutoZone are considered small businesses which is what i it looks like JSALES is referring to. This guy is a small business owner https://i.imgur.com/pn7qzyx.mp4

[MG1]

I was 7 when it happened. I definitely remember it but certainly didn’t grasp the gravity of it back then either. This is 28 years later and as such 28 years more of anger doesn’t bode well for the situation. Not to mention the greater awareness people country wide have of it, as well as the outrage being felt by more than just the black community did back then.

Wow, you guys are so young. I was about that age when Kennedy got assassinated. Five years later, Martin Luther King.

On a side note............... Viola Desmond is the gal on the ten dollar bill. Canada Post prints out Black History Month stamps every year. Racism is everywhere. The day it doesn't exist anymore, is the day the planet blows up. Sad.

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/racial-segregation-of-black-people-in-canada

[welfare]

This wasn't the first time these two men had encountered each other.
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/29/865803157/george-floyd-and-derek-chauvin-were-co-workers-says-former-club-owner
I'm not trying to trivialize his death by any means, but why are the media and so many others assuming this was racially motivated when there is no indication that it was?

This was Tony Timpa. He died in almost identical circumstances, under police arrest.
They (unwittingly) laughed and cracked jokes while he stopped breathing and even as he was carried away on a stretcher.
His mother had to wait three months just to find out the circumstances that led to his death.
No protests. No riots. No looting. No burning.
I doubt anyone outside of Dallas even knows of him.

https://youtu.be/_c-E_i8Q5G0

[Manic!]

This wasn't the first time these two men had encountered each other.
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/29/865803157/george-floyd-and-derek-chauvin-were-co-workers-says-former-club-owner
I'm not trying to trivialize his death by any means, but why are the media and so many others assuming this was racially motivated when there is no indication that it was?

This was Tony Timpa. He died in almost identical circumstances, under police arrest.
They (unwittingly) laughed and cracked jokes while he stopped breathing and even as he was carried away on a stretcher.
His mother had to wait three months just to find out the circumstances that led to his death.
No protests. No riots. No looting. No burning.
I doubt anyone outside of Dallas even knows of him.

https://youtu.be/_c-E_i8Q5G0

Maybe you should have done somthing.

[bcedhk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGZn_2D3a-Y&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2fBHG3H2tHG8TK-7gKLeypga6ry6w7mSYDhklT267QApCRfbGw9Yjq8eE

"hard work".

[The_AK]

Must be scary living in America at times like these especially with all the riots and looting going on. I feel bad for some of the small business owners who got their store destroyed. At least protest peacefully

Good luck getting an insurance payout. Dealing with insurance companies in the US isn't the easiest either. They'll come up with some bullshit like "Oh you didnt have protestor insurance, we cant cover this" etc.

[Teriyaki]

"Imma entitled to taking all these shoes"

"Because fuck the police"

"Because Freedom"

Thats not how this works.

[SkinnyPupp]

You're more concerned about an AutoZone than the fact that someone who is black can literally die in a regular interaction with a police officer?

That you can be literally shot going for a jog in a neighborhood by an ex-cop, and have that covered up by your government to protect them?

That you can be shot and killed in your sleep, in your own house, with no repercussions?

But yes, lets be more concerned with the burning down of a Target or AutoZone.

Please do tell, what has peaceful protests done? We were peaceful protesting going back to the 60's under Martin Luther, we're now in 2020 and still dealing with the same problems.

It's very convenient for someone like you who is unaffected by this situation to armchair proclaim that they should "peacefully" protest at this point.
The first thing you have to do is think, why are the police willing to insert fake protesters to start looting and rioting, provoking other protesters?

If they do that, that means the looting and vandalism works in their favour.

And we're seeing a small part of why here. People are so distracted by the looting, it's all they see. They obviously don't support the cause, because if they did, they wouldn't be talking so much about the looting.

Looting and vandalism is just one shitty part of the whole thing. We saw the same thing in Hong Kong. Some people are going to take it to that extreme. The cops will start doing it too, because they want people to pay attention to that, because it will take a certain percentage of the population away from the cause and into theirs.

Don't be like those people. Support the cause, hope for successful protests, because if not the rioting will continue.

There is so much worse that the other side is doing, and has been doing for decades. They have looted and robbed people for hundreds of years. Bankers, "investors" politicians, cops... They all do it too, it's just not out in the open with broken glass and shoe boxes in front of your face to distract you.

[Manic!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGZn_2D3a-Y&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2fBHG3H2tHG8TK-7gKLeypga6ry6w7mSYDhklT267QApCRfbGw9Yjq8eE

"hard work".

As much as I like Nike, good. Shoe companies have been scamming and ripping off people for years. how does a mass-produced consumer good 10x in price in less than 5 minutes after release.

[StylinRed]

Guy lies on tv on why he got beat up.

https://youtu.be/iogC71pX_YQ

He said he was beat first, then he got out of his car with a weapon (where the clip begins) then he got beat up again

So that checks out, luckily he didn't get killed

[Hondaracer]

The first thing you have to do is think, why are the police willing to insert fake protesters to start looting and rioting, provoking other protesters?

If they do that, that means the looting and vandalism works in their favour.

And we're seeing a small part of why here. People are so distracted by the looting, it's all they see. They obviously don't support the cause, because if they did, they wouldn't be talking so much about the looting.

Looting and vandalism is just one shitty part of the whole thing. We saw the same thing in Hong Kong. Some people are going to take it to that extreme. The cops will start doing it too, because they want people to pay attention to that, because it will take a certain percentage of the population away from the cause and into theirs.

Don't be like those people. Support the cause, hope for successful protests, because if not the rioting will continue.

There is so much worse that the other side is doing, and has been doing for decades. They have looted and robbed people for hundreds of years. Bankers, "investors" politicians, cops... They all do it too, it's just not out in the open with broken glass and shoe boxes in front of your face to distract you.

Are these really rioters and people inserted by the police or just anarchists who see opportunities to stoke these kinds of situations into the escalated results we are seeing?

I find it hard to believe there is a level of sophistication within individual police forces to place essentially actors within these demonstrations to distract the general public from the real matter at hand.

This is no different than the 2010 olympics right here, not many people may remember but during the opening ceremonies there were small little outbursts of protests and rioting which were quickly squashed by police. All perpetrated by people from outside of BC/Canada and who turned out to be professional anarchists looking to turn the slightest bit of discource into a full blown riot. It didn’t work out and luckily the VPD had the ability to shut it down as quickly as it started.

Again this happened with this gross wetsuweten protests in Vancouver with the lead “protestors” having literally no other reason to protest other than to get their name on camera and make a case to become some obscure professor as some liberal arts school down the road.

If we put such little trust in the hiring process and the personalities recruited into the United States police forces im kinda doubting you can effectively trust them to become these “crisis actors” in times like these.

Also HK and the states, while on similar basis are very, very different protests. The initial looting and burning of businesses was obviously perpetrated by the blacks within that state and the main groups involved were also the African Americans. It’s pretty clear from virtually all the video. Was there any looting in Hk? Anything like these initial violent outbursts?

Let’s be real, most people in Hk seemed to just want to protest the rights being violated and most seemed like regular, contributing members of society who had finally had enough and felt strong enough about these issues to come together and do somthing about it. In the state’s we see the literal bottom of the barrel types engaging in these riots and protests for the most part (at least the initial situations)

[Manic!]

He said he was beat first, then he got out of his car with a weapon (where the clip begins) then he got beat up again
.
So that checks out, luckily he didn't get killed

He was not beat first. The first thing he says in the video is "you want to keep hitting my car" 16 seconds into the video you see someone on the left bottom fall to the ground. looks like he was shot with an arrow. Then you see a large group of people of all colors including white beat him up. he only mentions 2 black guys to the reporter. What did he think was going to happen when he started firing arrows at people. FYI he is also a felon. Luckily he is not allowed to own a gun or it could have been a lot worse.

[SkinnyPupp]

Are these really rioters and people inserted by the police or just anarchists who see opportunities to stoke these kinds of situations into the escalated results we are seeing?

Both

But the point is, the police (or more accurately, the system they are defending) wants riots and looting. Otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.

The anarchists want it too...

So whose side are you on? If you talk about nothing but the looting and riots, you're not on the side of BLM. You're either on the side of anarchists or fascism, or at least being turned into their supporters.

Also HK and the states, while on similar basis are very, very different protests. The initial looting and burning of businesses was obviously perpetrated by the blacks within that state and the main groups involved were also the African Americans. It’s pretty clear from virtually all the video. Was there any looting in Hk? Anything like these initial violent outbursts?

I see some similarities and some differences. The way the police are acting is often very similar. Shooting at press, shooting at peaceful protesters for no reason, pushing around old people who can't keep up, etc.

The protesters are on different but similar sides... In HK they are fighting a clearly defined fascist state, who have existed only for about 50 years (and in the case of Hong Kong, we've only been affected by them for about 20). It's a fresh new but very powerful force. And as we see, there is practically no way of winning. Which is why the chants are changing from "5 demands" to "revolution" to "we burn you burn with us" and China has obliged to letting HK burn as we saw last week with the burning of the constitution.

US on the other hand is fighting centuries of a less definitive but nonetheless present issue that has existed among humanity for our entire history. Racism, which is what much of the world's society was based on hundreds of years ago. US has it built into the country, and despite getting rid of slavery, and segregation, the lingering effects are still there. They aren't fighting against a clearly defined enemy, which is why you see some cops JOINING the protests while others are happy to get in on the violence. It's a much harder thing to fight, but I think in the end is actually much more "winnable". We've come a long way from slavery of course, but every once in a while a large correction needs to be made. This is the latest one. It might have gone smoother with a real president. Hell it might not even happening at all if Bernie was here.

The one MAJOR difference is that Americans are still able to go out and protest peacefully if they want. That has pretty much been quashed in Hong Kong. Every time a gathering gets together, the cops show up to quickly and violently shut it down. They can't have peaceful singing rallies at malls anymore, and the coronavirus lockdown has been extended just long enough to make public gathering illegal for the Tiananmen Square anniversary vigil.

[Hondaracer]

I’m on the side of Rascism is a terrible scourge and until there is a time where the term “black people” or “my black brothers” isn’t a thing there will always be racism. As MG said Last page, this ain’t going away

I’m also against a societal system that creates incredible poverty, drug addiction and as a by product, these “hood rats” using hatches to bust open self serve tellers at inner city Targets.

This problem is so much deeper than whose side are you on. Frankly if I had to be completely honest I’m on the side of I don’t really give a fuck and the best thing I can do is to live my life in a way where I’m a general good person to everyone I come in contact with and don’t promote ideas of hatred or division, etc.

As I’ve said in other threads however, even our liberal govt. essentially sows “racist” ideas in their governing in matters such as the firearms ban etc. With the exclusion of Native people in these hugely sweeping legislation they enact with little to no consultation.

Most people I know are in a similar position to myself as you’re comfortably employed, you live a safe, happy, life. Even if you were to be slightly involved in some sort of demonstration etc. It could have a SEVERE negative effect on your personal well-being. So at the end of the day why would I stick my neck out for anything.

The way I look at it goes back to that firearms ban thread. Responsible, law-abiding gun owners who are against the ban have continually laid out why is this legislation is not only bad for gun owners but it’s essentially unconstitutional in its enactment which should be a HUGE red flag for everyone. But anyone who isn’t directly effected by it just comes back with”BuT WHy Do YoU NEed A AssAULt RiFLe?!?!”

Well if you’re not willing to look a little deeper into the issues that effect me, frankly I don’t care about the ones that effect you.

[Presto]

He was not beat first. The first thing he says in the video is "you want to keep hitting my car" 16 seconds into the video you see someone on the left bottom fall to the ground. looks like he was shot with an arrow. Then you see a large group of people of all colors including white beat him up. he only mentions 2 black guys to the reporter. What did he think was going to happen when he started firing arrows at people. FYI he is also a felon. Luckily he is not allowed to own a gun or it could have been a lot worse.

There's earlier video of him brandishing a big knife, too:

https://twitter.com/traytaymakeup/status/1266993017275088896

[Hehe]

All these people have no shame.

It got nothing to do with racism. These people are just looking for an excuse.

If today the roles were reversed, the cop was black and the victim was white, would there still be a protest? If there wasn't, THAT'S FUCKING RACISM too.

Why if someone was white and suddenly their life is meaningless?

Fucking hell... these people probably care less about racism in their entire life than my Asian dick ever did in a second.

If I was the AG, I'd come out and say that anyone caught looting and creating chaos would be charged with the MAXIMUM penalty the law permits regardless of their record and role with ABSOLUTELY ZERO leniency given. Peaceful protest for a cause is perfectly OK... looting and chaos is NOT.

[Manic!]

JJ Cool J

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRbssqlZBNw

[SkinnyPupp]

CA3yrxVlVPJ

[Manic!]

All these people have no shame.

It got nothing to do with racism. These people are just looking for an excuse.

If today the roles were reversed, the cop was black and the victim was white, would there still be a protest? If there wasn't, THAT'S FUCKING RACISM too.

Why if someone was white and suddenly their life is meaningless?

Fucking hell... these people probably care less about racism in their entire life than my Asian dick ever did in a second.

If I was the AG, I'd come out and say that anyone caught looting and creating chaos would be charged with the MAXIMUM penalty the law permits regardless of their record and role with ABSOLUTELY ZERO leniency given. Peaceful protest for a cause is perfectly OK... looting and chaos is NOT.

Is this an O.K way to protest?

https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?q=85&c=sc&poi=face&w=2000&h=1047&url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F20%2F2017%2F09%2Fceleb s-support-colin-2-2000.jpg

[Jmac]

All these people have no shame.

It got nothing to do with racism. These people are just looking for an excuse.

If today the roles were reversed, the cop was black and the victim was white, would there still be a protest? If there wasn't, THAT'S FUCKING RACISM too.

Why if someone was white and suddenly their life is meaningless?

Fucking hell... these people probably care less about racism in their entire life than my Asian dick ever did in a second.

If I was the AG, I'd come out and say that anyone caught looting and creating chaos would be charged with the MAXIMUM penalty the law permits regardless of their record and role with ABSOLUTELY ZERO leniency given. Peaceful protest for a cause is perfectly OK... looting and chaos is NOT.
If there was a multi-century history of white people being killed by black law enforcement in the US and a multi-decade history of it being caught on video for the world to see on a regular basis, then I could see your point.

And, of course, this is exacerbated by the systemic racism that has permeated through many parts of the US for most of its history.

[JSALES]

https://youtu.be/fG8jORTvZS0

[twitchyzero]

So thankful I live in Canada.

I have friends and relatives who live and work down south. It's tough when you work hard and all of it just gets blown up. Looting, violence, business getting torched, etc. I will take high cost of living and lower wages any day. Knowing my family is pretty safe.

June 2011

[Jmac]

June 2011
0 deaths, 4 significant injuries, $5M CAD in property damage is a drop in the bucket compared to what’s happening in the US.

[Sw0op]

June 2011

this is happening nationwide for days instead of a 2KM radius in one city...the damage alone in Seattle last night already met or exceeded what happened here on June 2011

[Hondaracer]

June 2011

Rioted for what, 4 hours over a hockey game? Srs business

[Hondaracer]

CA3yrxVlVPJ

So what, people have to feel guilt for somthing they’ve never had a hand in?

I understand the sentiment but this is the same BS like when an immigrant from Eastern Europe comes and makes somthing of themselves in Canada and then gets accused being a cog in the colonization of Canada. Like where does this shit end

[twitchyzero]

they didnt have to roll out tanks but dont forget downtown was sealed, hospital flooded, emergency vehicles on fire...5 mill property damage within hours is not something you can shrug off over a sport; not to mention the intensive work/tax dollars to lay 900 charges

let's not forget this flare up is to fight racism, we're seeing more anti-asian unprovoked incidents here (thankfully not from the authorities but still something to take seriously)

[StylinRed]

Saw footage of ppl standing at their front door watching the police procession go thru their neighbourhood. Police yelled for them to go inside their homes, and then immediately said "light em up!" and started firing at these girls just standing in their doorway... wtf


Ah here we go

https://twitter.com/Cozyeah/status/1267089184948465671

[SkinnyPupp]

So what, people have to feel guilt for somthing they’ve never had a hand in?

I understand the sentiment but this is the same BS like when an immigrant from Eastern Europe comes and makes somthing of themselves in Canada and then gets accused being a cog in the colonization of Canada. Like where does this shit end
Who used the word guilt?

If you read that post and this is what you come back with... I guess we either need to find better people to explain things to you, or what? It's so frustrating because it's so easy to understand for me, but from some others I see defensiveness and "where does this shit end"

Where does it end? It COULD end with you and your kids if you have any. If not, your cousins, nieces, nephews, neighbours, friends on facebook and here. But instead it seems like you're trying to absolve yourself from even acknowledging anything; either by really not understanding it, or being intentionally obtuse.

I wouldn't feel guilty for being white. I would feel guilty for not doing anything to allow the system changing for the better. I'd feel guilty for using that system to my advantage, knowing it puts other people below me. I'd feel guilty for saying "where does this shit end" the inference being "this shit" an attack on white people.

[Hehe]

If there was a multi-century history of white people being killed by black law enforcement in the US and a multi-decade history of it being caught on video for the world to see on a regular basis, then I could see your point.

And, of course, this is exacerbated by the systemic racism that has permeated through many parts of the US for most of its history.

I am not against the movement of eradicating racism or #blacklivesmatter. Those are all valid concerns that if resolved, it would simply push our society to the next level. And they ARE issues that we have to resolve as a society.

What I'm against is the use of violence and social unrest as a way to make a statement. WTF do all those stores have anything to do with? WTF do all the people whose live (work and whatever schedule have you) that are being affected by this? WTF do all the people that have to bear the traumatic experience have to do with any of these?

Are they racists? Maybe some among them, but ultimately this violence affect so many more people than what it really is. And wtf are these people seeking? That we simply put the police guy on death bench and call it a day?

You want to have your voice/concern heard, make the requests, protest and be ready to have a dialogue. Instead what the bloody fuck do we have? A bunch a people who disregard law and orders and call this freedom?

Violence is ALWAYS the last resort. When one has exhausted all other logical options. Explain to me what option have the protestors used so far? Because I haven't seen anything before they started looting.

[SkinnyPupp]

I am not against the movement of eradicating racism or #blacklivesmatter. Those are all valid concerns that if resolved, it would simply push our society to the next level. And they ARE issues that we have to resolve as a society.

What I'm against is the use of violence and social unrest as a way to make a statement. WTF do all those stores have anything to do with? WTF do all the people whose live (work and whatever schedule have you) that are being affected by this? WTF do all the people that have to bear the traumatic experience have to do with any of these?

Are they racists? Maybe some among them, but ultimately this violence affect so many more people than what it really is. And wtf are these people seeking? That we simply put the police guy on death bench and call it a day?

You want to have your voice/concern heard, make the requests, protest and be ready to have a dialogue. Instead what the bloody fuck do we have? A bunch a people who disregard law and orders and call this freedom?

Violence is ALWAYS the last resort. When one has exhausted all other logical options. Explain to me what option have the protestors used so far? Because I haven't seen anything before they started looting.
Read my post earlier up on the page. Don't get distracted by the violence. That's what they want - it puts you on the side of the people who want the protests to stop.

They were easily able to stop all the peaceful protests, as manic inferred with the Kaepernick post.

For every 10 violent rioter and protester, there are 100 or 1000 peaceful ones. Yet they are getting treated just as badly by many of the enforcement. Support these ones, give them your attention. Not the looters (who often are in a desperate situation BECAUSE of this system, but that's a separate discussion)

[twitchyzero]

i liked the first analogy so it started off well
then it compared it to a communicable disease 'whether you know/like it'
um, guilt trip written all over that

[Manic!]

Violence is ALWAYS the last resort. When one has exhausted all other logical options. Explain to me what option have the protestors used so far? Because I haven't seen anything before they started looting.

Every other option has been exhausted. They even had a black president that made some police reforms but the next guy just reversed them.

[SkinnyPupp]

i liked the first analogy so it started off well
then it compared it to a communicable disease 'whether you know/like it'
um, guilt trip written all over that
I mean if we understand things differently I can't really argue about it, but I pretty much see it as the opposite of a guilt trip. How could anyone feel guilty about having a "disease"? How could you feel guilty for literally being unaware something? If anything, that person's statement should help you feel LESS guilty while at the same time open your eyes to the problem...

One of us really isn't understanding it properly, that's for sure. It's either a racist attack on white people, or trying to reason with people who otherwise never had to think of this stuff before... I guess it's not for me to say which of us is right.

[twitchyzero]

adrian dix is gonna rage tomorrow

https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/vancouver-protest.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=1200

[underscore]

And wtf are these people seeking? That we simply put the police guy on death bench and call it a day?

Well here's what the NAACP posted on Instagram:

https://i.imgur.com/80xZBvT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7eRez90.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/mkDJt9x.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/QihWBRD.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kkETVFC.jpg

[underscore]

For every 10 violent rioter and protester, there are 100 or 1000 peaceful ones. Yet they are getting treated just as badly by many of the enforcement. Support these ones, give them your attention. Not the looters (who often are in a desperate situation BECAUSE of this system, but that's a separate discussion)

Case in point (I don't know how to embed this) https://i.imgur.com/BTlBWwe.mp4

If the link doesn't work a guy is using a hammer to break bricks loose, protestors grab him, get the hammer away from him and haul him over to the police.

edit: here's a tweet of it, maybe this will embed?

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1267249136937689089

[welfare]

If there was a multi-century history of white people being killed by black law enforcement in the US and a multi-decade history of it being caught on video for the world to see on a regular basis, then I could see your point.

And, of course, this is exacerbated by the systemic racism that has permeated through many parts of the US for most of its history.

Of the roughly 600,000 violent interracial crimes reported for the 2018 survey in the US, roughly 500,000 were black on white.
Black perpetrators committed 24% of all hate crimes, while making up only 12% of the population.
https://www.city-journal.org/democratic-candidates-racism-crime

[westopher]

A simple cartoon with some humour to explain how it feels when people say "all lives matter"
https://chainsawsuit.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/20160707_allhousesredux.png

[320icar]

I wouldn't feel guilty for being white. I would feel guilty for not doing anything to allow the system changing for the better. I'd feel guilty for using that system to my advantage, knowing it puts other people below me. I'd feel guilty for saying "where does this shit end" the inference being "this shit" an attack on white people.

And I think the issue is that YOU and many others are using this undertone that all white people willingly know of this system, choose to do nothing and happily enjoy reaping all the benefits.

This goes back to what you said in a previous post about white people should ‘revoke their white privilege’ or whatever. Something almost impossible to quantify.

Want me to quit my lower middle class super generic grocery store job? Give up my right to universal health care that *every Canadian has a right to*? Or just be normal and not vote for racists

Edit: definitely not trying to get in an argument, I hate forums for shit like this and would rather sit down and have a coffee together. Just trying to understand exactly what you mean. Do you intend to suggest to whites in Canada (let’s say me in the GVRD) to literally give up our write privilege, or just be critical thinkers and do what we can to level the playing field (elect people in power we think have good judgement, teach our children to be fair and equal, etc)

[mikemhg]

^This.

I'm very much open to having a face-to-face discussion with someone such as Honda, or Welfare who seem to not understand the situation here.

There is some obvious trolling going on in this thread, and if anything here we are arguing about the very obvious.

Trevor Noah said it very eloquently in a recent post, and I've described this situation the same way. If you're having an issue with the rioting and destruction, the reality is society is in fact a contract, we in society agree to be civil with one another, taking into account that society is just for all.

The problem here is the people who are rioting, that are fed up, understand that this "contract" we call society is not being upheld by those in power. It is convenient for you to say "this isn't the way to protest", well what is then? There is no "right" way to protest. How can you have an affinity for a community that does not grant you the same rights that it does others outside of your race?

If society at large refuses to uphold the civil liberties and respect that it does for others of a different skin tone, there is no reason to follow that society's rules, as it is not serving all people equally. Hence the violence, and hence these protests.

What you are seeing is the personification of pure outrage, people are tired of this daily assault on basic human rights, and a society that has ignored this problem for far too long, if that results in some "looting" and burnt buildings, then so be it.

[mikemhg]

I’m on the side of Rascism is a terrible scourge and until there is a time where the term “black people” or “my black brothers” isn’t a thing there will always be racism. As MG said Last page, this ain’t going away

I’m also against a societal system that creates incredible poverty, drug addiction and as a by product, these “hood rats” using hatches to bust open self serve tellers at inner city Targets.

This problem is so much deeper than whose side are you on. Frankly if I had to be completely honest I’m on the side of I don’t really give a fuck and the best thing I can do is to live my life in a way where I’m a general good person to everyone I come in contact with and don’t promote ideas of hatred or division, etc.

As I’ve said in other threads however, even our liberal govt. essentially sows “racist” ideas in their governing in matters such as the firearms ban etc. With the exclusion of Native people in these hugely sweeping legislation they enact with little to no consultation.

Most people I know are in a similar position to myself as you’re comfortably employed, you live a safe, happy, life. Even if you were to be slightly involved in some sort of demonstration etc. It could have a SEVERE negative effect on your personal well-being. So at the end of the day why would I stick my neck out for anything.

The way I look at it goes back to that firearms ban thread. Responsible, law-abiding gun owners who are against the ban have continually laid out why is this legislation is not only bad for gun owners but it’s essentially unconstitutional in its enactment which should be a HUGE red flag for everyone. But anyone who isn’t directly effected by it just comes back with”BuT WHy Do YoU NEed A AssAULt RiFLe?!?!”

Well if you’re not willing to look a little deeper into the issues that effect me, frankly I don’t care about the ones that effect you.

Hey bud, if you don't care about this subject, then get out of the thread then.

Go back to your firearm thread and cry about Trudeau stealing away your guns, no one is asking you to interject here.

[unit]

its amazing how many people still don't like to hear the words "black lives matter".

[twitchyzero]

If you're having an issue with the rioting and destruction, the reality is society is in fact a contract, we in society agree to be civil with one another, taking into account that society is just for all.

The problem here is the people who are rioting, that are fed up, understand that this "contract" we call society is not being upheld by those in power. It is convenient for you to say "this isn't the way to protest", well what is then? There is no "right" way to protest. How can you have an affinity for a community that does not grant you the same rights that it does others outside of your race?

If society at large refuses to uphold the civil liberties and respect that it does for others of a different skin tone, there is no reason to follow that society's rules, as it is not serving all people equally. Hence the violence, and hence these protests.

What you are seeing is the personification of pure outrage, people are tired of this daily assault on basic human rights, and a society that has ignored this problem for far too long, if that results in some "looting" and burnt buildings, then so be it.

then go box in some gov't/police complex if the establishment is the root cause and not destroy and steal from small businesses
eye for an eye didn't work in 1992, nor HK last year (the reverse happened)

[pastarocket]

These are pictures of police showing support for protesters. Some cops are taking a knee, doing fist bumps with protesters, and holding signs to support the peaceful protests.

The pics that news outlets do not show in their headlines.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200601/262ce9487913d834af98061f584d52bb.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200601/be8a30d4df041bbc2380285c75592eac.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200601/ff2f3765a471fa8a5b032b2cf0ad3b08.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200601/166f8f753371dfb268286937cb7506c0.jpg


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[twitchyzero]

to expand on that, if you wanna see a good way to protest follow what those officers in Flint MI are doing taking off riot gear and marching with the protesters or the protesters trying to hold off the looters...because in already in fragile times with 110k dead in america last 2mos regardless of wealth and race, they need unity

its amazing how many people still don't like to hear the words "black lives matter".

good cause but the concern is some take it too far and make it more divisive than it has to be

ie: blocking ubc, vpd, vpl from marching in the pride parade :moderated:

[mikemhg]

then go box in some gov't/police complex if the establishment is the root cause and not destroy and steal from small businesses
eye for an eye didn't work in 1992, nor HK last year (the reverse happened)

I've said it in previous posts, target governmental buildings.

You say an eye for an eye didn't work in 1992, well neither has peaceful protest, has it?

Furthermore, comparing HK protests to this is a complete misnomer.

One is a homogeneous population protesting their autonomy from a government, the other is a protest about the basic human right to live, and being actively oppressed by the basis of your very race. These are two very different things here.

By the way, where was the outrage about the "looting" and "robbing" of the black community? Have you ever read about Black Wallstreet in Tulsa? Have you ever read about the GI Bill which invigorated the modern white middle-class in America, while entirely leaving out black servicemen, resulting in much of the wealth segregation we see in America today? Have you ever researched "redlining" and it's economic impacts on the black community?

Where is your outrage for that historical "looting"?

[mikemhg]

By the way, speaking to the 1992 riots, and your comment that nothing changed.

A study in fact was done on that very subject:

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/can-violent-protest-change-local-policy-support-evidence-from-the-aftermath-of-the-1992-los-angeles-riot/C9DD76149BBA4D6854B0B64BA37F0C6D/core-reader

The study did in fact come to a conclusion that rioting had a positive effect on policy discussion:

"This study provides evidence for a plausible effect of violent protest on local policy support. Our results indicate that a riot can help build support for policy or symbolic goals by mobilizing supporters or building sympathy among others. We demonstrate that white and African American voters were mobilized to register, that new registrants tended to affiliate as Democrats, and that voters shifted their policy support toward public schools, net of a general shift in support for education spending. This mobilization appears to have persisted: those mobilized by the riot remained regular participators over a decade later and remained more Democratic than the general population, even after accounting for demographics."

Of course the data can be skewed somewhat, as LA's response to the riot was uncharacteristically positive in a policy sense, given that it happened in California. But food for thought nonetheless.

[Acura604]

Trump cant' even speak to his nation .. he doesn't know how to articulate words to unite everyone... instead...

they turn off the lights.


https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/352/dac/2da8be26bcdba18dbe08f6ff3aefb4bdb3-dark-white-house.jpg

[Hondaracer]

On the flip sided BNN just had Somone on who went on about how the areas where those protests happened back then had MASSIVE downsides around the epicentre of the riots because there was mass exodus of both white people and other minorities as well as a huge number of businesses moving out. Essentially turning the area into ghettos in a incredibly short span because people did not want to live in those areas any longer nor did they think business would be viable.

[twitchyzero]

Furthermore, comparing HK protests to this is a complete misnomer.

One is a homogeneous population protesting their autonomy from a government, the other is a protest about the basic human right to live, and being actively oppressed by the basis of your very race. These are two very different things here.

By the way, where was the outrage about the "looting" and "robbing" of the black community? Have you ever read about Black Wallstreet in Tulsa? Have you ever read about the GI Bill which invigorated the modern white middle-class in America, while entirely leaving out black servicemen, resulting in much of the wealth segregation we see in America today? Have you ever researched "redlining" and it's economic impacts on the black community?

Where is your outrage for that historical "looting"?

different cultural context but at the core they're both fighting oppression from the establishment

i can easily flip the same question to you: where's the outrage about ongoing genocides? they're fighting to live too, no? should we start a thread on those atrocities too?



The study did in fact come to a conclusion that rioting had a positive effect on policy discussion:


i scrolled to the conclusion

We focus on violent protest as a political tool for a low-status group in the United States. While other scholarship has examined other forms of political action and asked if it is efficacious for racial minorities and other low-status groups (Verba et al. 1995), the scholarly literature has largely failed to ask whether rioting is a useful tool for building policy support, even though, from the perspective of the rioters, this question is paramount. Here we show that violent political protest can spur political participation among people who share an identity with the rioters.

Although it often seems extreme from the American perspective, political violence is not isolated to particular regions or eras and is still common in many parts of the world. Moreover, the implicit threat of violence underlies the relationship between governments and citizens in many places. As the use of violence continues to be an active feature of our political system, our findings and approach may help future scholars better understand this important topic.

sounds like domestic terrorism to me

violence erodes sympathy for many
i agree with the other posters showing police officers kneeling/marching is more effective

[Traum]

I don't know what I can intelligibly say about the protests themselves, so I'll shut up and not say anything about that.

But one thing that deeply concerns me and is something that I can intelligibly mention is the numerous reports on police attacking members of the press when those members of the press are clearly and undeniably identifiable by numerous means. At least one reporter has been shot blind (much like how the exact same thing happened in Hong Kong).

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52880970

[pastarocket]

CNN reports that riot police are throwing tear gas at protesters outside the White House now.

Trumpy is trying to show the "tough guy " image before his speech scheduled for today at the White House's Rose Garden. :facepalm:

[6793026]

https://mashable.com/article/dallas-police-app-iwatch-spam-kpop-fancams-protests-black-lives-matter/

Cops asking for snitches for videos of rioters breaking the law.

"If you have a video of illegal activity from the protests and are trying to share it with @DallasPD, you can download it to our iWatch Dallas app," they wrote. "You can remain anonymous."

Their web site crashed when everyone started to upload K-pop videos hahahahaha

In Chicago someone hacked the police frequency they used to broadcast stuff. The hacker blasted out NWA tunes. Stupid Chicago police, that system was not encrypted or protected.

[SkinnyPupp]

Edit: definitely not trying to get in an argument, I hate forums for shit like this and would rather sit down and have a coffee together. Just trying to understand exactly what you mean.
Right, I think that's the main issue because if this:
Want me to quit my lower middle class super generic grocery store job?
Is what you're getting from my posts, I must be doing a really bad job of communicating. And in my posts I've been saying all along that I don't think I'm doing a good job of it. That's why I tried posting quotes from smarter people, but that didn't work either... So I'll just stop...

[SkinnyPupp]

These are pictures of police showing support for protesters. Some cops are taking a knee, doing fist bumps with protesters, and holding signs to support the peaceful protests.

The pics that news outlets do not show in their headlines.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200601/262ce9487913d834af98061f584d52bb.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200601/be8a30d4df041bbc2380285c75592eac.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200601/ff2f3765a471fa8a5b032b2cf0ad3b08.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200601/166f8f753371dfb268286937cb7506c0.jpg


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I've been saying that these protests have been largely a mirror image of what's going on here, but this is one major exception.

SOME leaders in the US have a goal of de-escalating situations, and get out there with people to talk to them. They also LET people protest peacefully, as long as they want. "Civil Disobedience" is not in itself illegal, even if there's a curfew.

That's what I was talking about before, the major difference being fighting an oppressive regime vs fighting a regime that uses oppression.

And to those who say HK "lost" the protests because of security law.. I think it's the opposite. They goaded China into not just "sorta ignoring the constitution just enough to not draw the ire of other countries" to completely burning it to the ground. Xi has thrown away 20 years of progress, and is going to keep going backwards as more countries say enough of this shit, we've been putting up with you way too long.

The HK protests really could eventually lead to very drastic changes in China. Last June that would have been insane to say, and now it's totally plausible. And the way this shit seems to be moving at warp speed, it could take months instead of decades EleGiggle

[twitchyzero]

as more countries say enough of this shit, we've been putting up with you way too long.

The HK protests really could eventually lead to very drastic changes in China. Last June that would have been insane to say, and now it's totally plausible. And the way this shit seems to be moving at warp speed, it could take months instead of decades

because of the pandemic, not so much from the protests last year

[SkinnyPupp]

because of the pandemic, not so much from the protests last year
Because of both. One more in terms of reputation, the other more in sanctions and other actions.

You're probably more aware of one than the other though, understandably.

But the national security law is a huge huge huge deal worldwide. They are breaking the deal they made, and that doesn't come without consequences. America no longer giving HK special treatment is a HUGE thing. HK doesn't have a high GDP, obviously, but their system is (was) crucial for international banking in China. It will cost them so much at the worst time possible. Hundreds of MPs and Governors around the world are getting ready to go deal with it; that kind of thing moves a bit more slowly than dealing with the virus, and now we have the protests in America to worry about.

So yeah, pandemic bit them in the ass in terms of reputation (since there's no proof yet of its origins nobody can definitively act upon this anyway) but throwing away the agreement they made in 1984 is actually what will lead to consequences.

Anyway this is a digression from this important topic, sorry about that.

[320icar]

Right, I think that's the main issue because if this:

Is what you're getting from my posts, I must be doing a really bad job of communicating. And in my posts I've been saying all along that I don't think I'm doing a good job of it. That's why I tried posting quotes from smarter people, but that didn't work either... So I'll just stop...

You could also quote and respond to the other more intelligent things I said in that exact same post.

[SkinnyPupp]

You could also quote and respond to the other more intelligent things I said in that exact same post.
I though that was at your request, you said you didn't want to argue on a forum about it? But let's see...

And I think the issue is that YOU and many others are using this undertone that all white people willingly know of this system, choose to do nothing and happily enjoy reaping all the benefits.

This goes back to what you said in a previous post about white people should ‘revoke their white privilege’ or whatever. Something almost impossible to quantify.

To your first point, nobody is saying ALL white people WILLINGLY abuse their privilege. In fact, the quote I posted, and (at least my intent) my posts have been saying the OPPOSITE. MOST people aren't even AWARE of their privilege. THAT is what we're talking about here. Be AWARE that while you may not be born racist, there are things built into the system that are racist.

And yes, it's hard to quantify. That's why you should think about it more. It doesn't mean "I should give up my job to a black person" (come on) but it might mean "I should help elect this person who will make things more fair for black people". For instance.

It's hard for me to explain every little aspect of privilege, because I experience it differently here in Asia where I've been for 17 years now. I can give you a couple examples though. Most of my privilege involves not being harassed by cops in non tourist areas (I say that because in tourist areas there is some disenfranchisement with corrupt cops and such).

One example is going around day-drinking in Shibuya with my brother (wife's brother, who is chinese). We didn't get totally wasted, but he shows it more than I do (red face). So we're walking around and he gets stopped by some cops. They aren't rude about it, but ask for his ID and left us alone. They didn't so much as look at me.

So there's one small instance of white privilege. Now what can I do about that? How do I "revoke" that privilege? In this case, I already did it. It's just "don't get wasted in public during the daytime". It seems a simple thing, but think about it. We both could have been trashed and deserved to be thrown in the drunk tank. But only he would have been. I can't change that, but I can change my behaviour by not getting trashed. Trust me, there are people who wouldn't eve think about this, and in the end would go "sorry man, I don't know why they went after you and not me". If I was a real dick knob I just wouldn't give a shit, and go around drinking and causing a scene. Using the trains handrails as gymnastic equipment? How often do we see groups of white tourists do that? Pretty much all the time! Because they know they won't get into too much trouble, if any, because of their privilege.

Another case in Japan in a rural area, I got caught for speeding. The speed limits are ridiculously low there, like a 6 lane empty highway will have a speed limit of 70 KM/h. So I was probably going 90 and passed a ghost car, who pulled me over. With the language barrier, they couldn't even tell me what I did wrong or issue me a ticket. So they just let me go. If I was Japanese, I would have gotten a ticket. So what do I do to "revoke" my privilege while driving? Don't speed! There are people who don't give a shit about road laws while traveling, because they won't get into trouble for it. They have the privilege afforded because of their race that they won't get harassed by a racist cop, or even treated like a local.

Asian these are tiny little cases, but it's what I can think of on the top of my head here at 8am before breakfast. If I thought about all my travels through asia, I could probably come up with many more (small memories come to me as I write this). I didn't think about this stuff, but as I become more socially aware, I become more aware of this privilege. So if I never thought about it, I know most people probably don't either. That's why I want to help explain it. Obviously not doing a good job of that though.

I hope this clears it up for you... I don't know why you and honda and twitchy are getting literally the opposite meaning of the intention here, but I hope this helps.

[pastarocket]

What needs to be pointed out is that Trump’s authorization of soldiers to maintain “law and order” in American cities also threatens the peaceful protests too.

Fat Garfield is changing the narrative AGAIN to by referring himself as a “Law and Order”
President in order to improve his approval ratings. Law and order requires soldiers to use rubber bullets against peaceful protesters while this TYRANT can get a photo-op at a church near the White House???

This man is delusional! A speech that is to supposed to bring calm and peace to America is actually inflammatory. Making up theories about “left wing radicals” and “anti fascists” causing trouble when it is really some people who want to steal Nike, Gucci, Prada etc. merchandise for their own use. :facepalm:


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[welfare]

You could also quote and respond to the other more intelligent things I said in that exact same post.

I think it's pretty clear what skinny's trying to say;
Just recognize how truly awesome it is to be white and not some other color LUL

[danned]

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[Bouncing Bettys]

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[ilovebacon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9IHeqet1H4

[Nlkko]

I think it's pretty clear what skinny's trying to say;
Just recognize how truly awesome it is to be white and not some other color LUL

You think it's a joke? It is not.

You are white living in America/Canada. You won the lottery at 1 second old. To a lesser extend are the all the other American-born/Canadian-born people of other ethnicity. Most immigrants endures hardship to immigrate knowing their children will start off with a winning lottery ticket.

I understand it can be tough to be aware of a born privilege, especially in Canada where you are insulated from pretty much all of these issues. So please educate yourself, better yourself as a person and sympathize with other's plight. Instead of hiding behind an Internet alias and bare the fucking woe-is-me attitude all the time. A dude just got publicly executed on camera with no remorse, the latest among years and years of many other documented or undocumented incidents. It isn't about you. You can take care of yourself and your family while share sympathy with others. It isn't mutually exclusive.

It doesn't matter which way you lean politically currently or in the past. Learn to take in information, process it intelligently. It's a mark of an educated person to grow, to be able to formulate an opinion and change that opinion in light of new information. The most dangerous MFer is an idiot with a conviction. Being left or right, liberal or conservative should never be your identity. Being a decent human being should be. If you think otherwise, there is still time to change that.

Black people will influence changes with this protest. But the ones making the changes are white people. Have always been that way. Maybe not a policy change under this current regime, but behavior change from American people themselves, more people waking up to their privilege and use it for good.

So, shut the fuck up and listen for a minute. And perhaps you can help change the world for the better too. :)

[Bouncing Bettys]

You think it's a joke? It is not.

You are white living in America/Canada. You won the lottery at 1 second old. To a lesser extend are the all the other American-born/Canadian-born people of other ethnicity. Most immigrants endures hardship to immigrate knowing their children will start off with a winning lottery ticket.

I understand it can be tough to be aware of a born privilege, especially in Canada where you are insulated from pretty much all of these issues. So please educate yourself, better yourself as a person and sympathize with other's plight. Instead of hiding behind an Internet alias and bare the fucking woe-is-me attitude all the time. A dude just got publicly executed on camera with no remorse, the latest among years and years of many other documented or undocumented incidents. It isn't about you. You can take care of yourself and your family while share sympathy with others. It isn't mutually exclusive.

It doesn't matter which way you lean politically currently or in the past. Learn to take in information, process it intelligently. It's a mark of an educated person to grow, to be able to formulate an opinion and change that opinion in light of new information. The most dangerous MFer is an idiot with a conviction. Being left or right, liberal or conservative should never be your identity. Being a decent human being should be. If you think otherwise, there is still time to change that.

Black people will influence changes with this protest. But the ones making the changes are white people. Have always been that way. Maybe not a policy change under this current regime, but behavior change from American people themselves, more people waking up to their privilege and use it for good.

So, shut the fuck up and listen for a minute. And perhaps you can help change the world for the better too. :)
So in order to make things better for oneself and others, one must:
- assume the privilege and background of others.
- lecture others in a condescending manner.
- make assertions without facts or evidence.
- appeal to others by telling them to shut the fuck up.

Is that all?

Being woke sounds a lot like being a sanctimonious asshole.

[SkinnyPupp]

This whole page is just so discouraging.

If this way May 22, I might engage with people about it. But now I'll just leave it be.

I learned that you can't force someone to be good to other people. All you can control is your own actions. You can try to spread information that you think helps you do this, but you can't force them to pay attention to it, or understand it the same way you did.

I guess you just have to leave it at that. Do the best you can, and hope nobody gets hurt.

It's really discouraging, but that's better than getting mad and adding to the negativity.

[Hondaracer]

So in order to make things better for oneself and others, one must:
- assume the privilege and background of others.
- lecture others in a condescending manner.
- make assertions without facts or evidence.
- appeal to others by telling them to shut the fuck up.

Is that all?

Being woke sounds a lot like being a sanctimonious asshole.

Dont forget about assuming the guilt of generations before you.

[twitchyzero]

did guys win the lottery too by being born as males?

[westopher]

Well, according to the gender pay gap. Yes.

[welfare]

Being left or right, liberal or conservative should never be your identity.


But apparently race should be.
My sister is white. Born privileged I guess. She's got schizophrenia.
But of course you wouldn't know that if you were simply judging people by the "privilege" of the color of their skin.

[unit]

can't believe this shit needs to be explained over and over again.

nobodys saying white people don't have hurdles and difficult lives as well. they can be disabled, they can be discriminated for all sorts of things, they can be brought up in poor and abusive families. life isn't automatically easy if you're white.

the point is that one thing you don't have to worry about holding you back is your race. you don't have to worry about randos yelling shit at you just because of the colour of your skin. you don't have to worry about cops assuming you're a criminal because of your skin. you don't have to worry about being followed around in a store because of your skin. that is what white privilege is all about. not that life is a cake walk for white people, it's that in a racist world, they are the ones that don't have to worry about one factor holding them back: their skin colour.

[CivicBlues]

So apparently one of the officers standing by while Chauvin knelt on Floyd is Hmong, not white. Chauvin's wife (soon to be ex) is also Hmong as well.

Take whatever you want from that. I'm not wading into this White Privilege minefield. I'll just throw stones at it from afar.

[mikemhg]

This whole page is just so discouraging.

If this way May 22, I might engage with people about it. But now I'll just leave it be.

I learned that you can't force someone to be good to other people. All you can control is your own actions. You can try to spread information that you think helps you do this, but you can't force them to pay attention to it, or understand it the same way you did.

I guess you just have to leave it at that. Do the best you can, and hope nobody gets hurt.

It's really discouraging, but that's better than getting mad and adding to the negativity.

Don't be discouraged, you're engaging with online personalities in which you already knew their stated opinions and where they would fall on this subject, one would hope their opinions are not indicative of the general populace watching these events unfold. So why bother putting any emphasis on their opinion?

[320icar]

Well, according to the gender pay gap. Yes.

https://youtu.be/BDj_bN0L8XM

[EndLeSS8]

Going through these comments reminds me of why when I'm on RS, I read 95% of the time, and post very little.

Most of the active posters on RS are overall similar: similar demographic socio-economically, similar in age, make a live-able income, and are generally tolerant and competent people.

BUT it's frustrating as HELL to post on here without getting into a triggered discussion, because the arguments are all on semantics. A lot of you dissect the conversation to your own terms and miss the point of the topic.

I'm not going to repeat what has been said, because I'm not as eloquent as other posters here.

I will say, to try to have EMPATHY with each other, and to everyone around you.

[Hondaracer]

That’s why I dint disagree with Mikemhg regarding the difference between sitting down in person and having a conversation VS reading a post and dwelling on it for a few minutes and breaking it down into your interpretation

While it gives you time to further formulate a thought, it feels like it’s even less constructive in some ways

[Manic!]

https://i.redd.it/1d2j2775sf251.jpg

[will068]

Dont forget about assuming the guilt of generations before you.

Sounds about white.

[Slifer]

Going through these comments reminds me of why when I'm on RS, I read 95% of the time, and post very little.

Most of the active posters on RS are overall similar: similar demographic socio-economically, similar in age, make a live-able income, and are generally tolerant and competent people.

BUT it's frustrating as HELL to post on here without getting into a triggered discussion, because the arguments are all on semantics. A lot of you dissect the conversation to your own terms and miss the point of the topic.

I'm not going to repeat what has been said, because I'm not as eloquent as other posters here.

I will say, to try to have EMPATHY with each other, and to everyone around you.

Yeah and people wonder why less and less members stopped posting.

[birddog3k]

In my opinion, all this talk about white privilege goes nowhere and divides people.

Here are some thoughts on police brutality:

Claim:
Police brutality is an issue.

Evidence:
George Floyd. There are countless examples of police falsely arresting an innocent victim then pressing fake charges to justify their mistake. I believe James King is the name of one such victim. Regardless, one incident is enough. Just google "Police brutality in the US" and read if you want more examples.

Solution:
The government as an institution has a monopoly on the use of force and use the police to ensure that people follow the rules. Because this monopoly can be abused, the US has Civil Rights, which are things a government cannot do.

Because all cases are not clear-cut, someone acting as an agent of the government has immunity from liability if they 1. believed that what they were doing was lawful and 2. if what they were doing was objectively reasonable. The Supreme court thought this wasn't enough to protect government officials so they established a looser standard in granting immunity which is whether or not a reasonable person in the official's position would have known their actions were in line with clearly established laws.

So now government agents are presumed immune by the courts. If they do something they shouldn't like kill an innocent person, before the person can sue the government official, they have to convince the courts that that person doesn't deserve immunity. The police know this so they're not worried about being accountable for violating Civil rights.

The solution is to end qualified immunity.

If you speed in a construction zone, you face double the penalty. Cops vow to protect the people so if they break their oath, they should face double the penalty. Commit murder? Double the sentence. The vast majority of cops are good and this is a way to weed out the evil ones.

I think the other things messing up society are:
1. War on drugs
2. Welfare state
3. Minimum wage

I'll go deeper into them when I have time. Thoughts?

[westopher]

If you speed in a construction zone, you face double the penalty. Cops vow to protect the people so if they break their oath, they should face double the penalty. Commit murder? Double the sentence. The vast majority of cops are good and this is a way to weed out the evil ones.



I'll go deeper into them when I have time. Thoughts?
I'm a huge proponent of this and have said that years ago. The same should apply to politicians. If you are put in a position of power and are found to abuse that power, the punishment should be greater.

[Hondaracer]

It makes too much sense to ever be enacted lol

Honestly the type of shit that happens in the states is straight out of a ducking movie in how ridiculous it is

Like that Conway and other senators being briefed on how serious the covid pandemic is and they all dump a bunch of stock with what turns out to be inside information

Public calls for a enquiry, and half ass investigation ensues, they all are cleared of wrongdoing

Like no shit people want to burn down the whitehouse etc Jesus.

[Alpine]

This is so unfortunate. A proper movement has been hijacked by people that just want to see the world burn. Looting and rioting has NOTHING to do with George Floyd. I just hope that people start seeing this and refrain from joining in with these stupid rioters.

[SkinnyPupp]

Minnesota Human Rights Department launches probe into Minneapolis police (https://m.startribune.com/minnesota-files-civil-rights-charge-against-minneapolis-police-dept/570958652/)

The probe, announced Tuesday by Gov. Tim Walz, will look at Minneapolis police policies and procedures over the past 10 years to determine whether the department has engaged in discriminatory practices toward people of color.

[Bouncing Bettys]

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[SkinnyPupp]

I started an unmoderated thread in the NSFW section for people who want to share and watch the violence and deaths that occur with riots.

The thread you're in now is for discussing police misconduct and BLM.

Go post your riot porn there, mods won't be touching it.

[Bouncing Bettys]

I started an unmoderated thread in the NSFW section for people who want to share and watch the violence and deaths that occur with riots.

The thread you're in now is for discussing police misconduct and BLM.

Go post your riot porn there, mods won't be touching it.
An elderly black man is murdered from actions directly related to the death of George Floyd and you have the gall to describe it as riot porn? As a black man, his life mattered. Your mask is starting to come off.

[SkinnyPupp]

I'm not basing the rule on the race of the people in the murder videos you're putting up. The fact is, murder videos aren't allowed here. There's a forum where you can share things like that, there always has been. Most forums don't offer that kind of service.

Come on I have just 3 requests: 1) Post your violence and deaths in the nsfw thread. 2) Discuss it in this thread. 3) Don't be a dick

How hard is that?

If you really care about that elderly black man, what are you going to do about it? You can share his murder video over there, but then what?

[Bouncing Bettys]

I just checked that thread you started Skinny. I take offence to you suggesting anyone on this site enjoys seeing violence and death as a result of these riots or any other incidences. Unbelievable.

Would the video of George Floyd's death go in the NSFW section if someone were to post it, would you also describe it a porn and suggest RS members enjoyed watching it?

[Hehe]

I just checked that thread you started Skinny. I take offence to you suggesting anyone on this site enjoys seeing violence and death as a result of these riots or any other incidences. Unbelievable.

Seriously... Political correctness on RS?!? Let's not take that too far.

[SkinnyPupp]

I just checked that thread you started Skinny. I take offence to you suggesting anyone on this site enjoys seeing violence and death as a result of these riots or any other incidences. Unbelievable.

Would the video of George Floyd's death go in the NSFW section if someone were to post it, would you also describe it a porn and suggest RS members enjoyed watching it?
Edit: You know what? I know you're just playing a game here but I'll go along with it one last time. I'll take out all my commentary and just say this: No grisly violence or death videos are allowed in the non NSFW section.

That's it.

[RRxtar]

He's right tho. Whether or not you have an altruistic view of the protests (which are in good faith), the reality is many of the protests have devolved into absolute violent riots, coupled by groups who probably don't give a shit about black lives, and just want to watch the world burn. To brush the violence aside or pretend it isn't happening is ludicrous. Saying "it's not all protesters that are rioting" and saying "all cops are bad and the system needs yo be torn down" together, is quite possibly the most ironic perspective to have right now.

[SkinnyPupp]

He's right tho. Whether or not you have an altruistic view of the protests (which are in good faith), the reality is many of the protests have devolved into absolute violent riots, coupled by groups who probably don't give a shit about black lives, and just want to watch the world burn. To brush the violence aside or pretend it isn't happening is ludicrous. Saying "it's not all protesters that are rioting" and saying "all cops are bad and the system needs yo be torn down" together, is quite possibly the most ironic perspective to have right now.
Again we get into the discussion of paying an inordinate amount of attention to the violence compared to the cause itself. There are certain people who definitely want to do that, hell I've seen it on the protesters sides too.

I know you're discussing this in good faith, but I hope I can appeal to people that energy needs to be put in support of the cause, not just wasted on doing nothing other than admonishing violence. The protests turned violent in several places very quickly, and yes, the violence sucks. Real bad. People are going after the wrong targets, there are agent provocateurs and anarchists mixed into all of it. It's messy.. as revolutions tend to be.

But it's such a waste of time to ONLY pay attention to that shit. The protesters will sort it out if they can. I've seen footage of provocateurs getting busted and chased away by protesters.

At the same time, more attention needs to be spent on how the police are acting in these protests. How much are they contributing to the violence? We saw it a lot in HK, and we're seeing it here as well. There's some footage of "good cops" putting down their shields and taking knees... And then minutes later they're pepper spraying protesters and shooting rubber bullets at them. In my opinion, this is WAY WAY WAY more significant that ANY looting or rioting going on.

There's a separate issue of posting death and grisly violence in the non NSFW section of the site that I'm sure you understand (and other people do too, even if they pretend not to). So I have to keep it out of here. If you want to talk about the violence you see, go for it. I will disagree with you as you can see in this post, but I'm not going to stop you. Just keep the videos out of the main forum.

[Obsideon]

I'm a huge proponent of this and have said that years ago. The same should apply to politicians. If you are put in a position of power and are found to abuse that power, the punishment should be greater.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/017/572/uncleben.jpg

[ilovebacon]

This song popped up in my mind today...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpYeekQkAdc

[320icar]

An elderly black man is murdered from actions directly related to the death of George Floyd and you have the gall to describe it as riot porn? As a black man, his life mattered. Your mask is starting to come off.

I think he meant it in a ‘I don’t approve of it” tone, not in support of ‘riot porn’

[SkinnyPupp]

Remember the system being fought wants the violence. They want you to pay attention to the violence. If there's not enough violence, they'll set it up themselves.

https://streamable.com/sh2rud

Source (https://www.instagram.com/p/CA6b0TWHYNF/)

[Hondaracer]

So you post that shit but move the video of the guy dead over people looting $150 Sanyo TVs from a fucking pawn shop as some sort of woke provocateur false flag shit?

This thread is done.

[Manic!]

I don't know why people are shocked/upset at the violence. The only way things get changed in the US is via violence.

The US got rid of England via violence.
The slaves were freed via violence.
Blacks got civil rights via violence.
LGBTQ+ community got civil rights via violence.

[SkinnyPupp]

So you post that shit but move the video of the guy dead over people looting $150 Sanyo TVs from a fucking pawn shop as some sort of woke provocateur false flag shit?

This thread is done.
I know it's not that hard to understand. I know you're just provoking. I'll still respond in a serious way though.

No videos of death or grisly violence are allowed here

Videos of some punks burning an old decommissioned cop car are allowed here.

You know this already, but there you go.

[welfare]

Remember the system being fought wants the violence. They want you to pay attention to the violence. If there's not enough violence, they'll set it up themselves.


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[welfare]

Cool bandana

https://youtu.be/lRRVaDCU3OA

[whitev70r]

Remember the system being fought wants the violence. They want you to pay attention to the violence. If there's not enough , they'll set it up themselves.

Who the hell is 'they'? Don't tell me you believe that the police is causing the violence? You can't possibly be that stupid, are you? So 'they' are white supremists? Or are they paid professionals hired to cause mayhem by the Trump administration? Or just rednecks from Iowa? Or are they a new generation of Malcolm X followers?

[twitchyzero]

are middle class African Americans interacting with law enforcement more frequently than their Latino or Caucasian counterpart?

ive spent chunk of time in the south and i find more ignorance than anything and that's where education can be helpful. I do think a dialogue to address bias is not only worthwhile but important..however supporting violence and being condescending is counterproductive

the point is that one thing you don't have to worry about holding you back is your race. you don't have to worry about randos yelling shit at you just because of the colour of your skin. you don't have to worry about cops assuming you're a criminal because of your skin. you don't have to worry about being followed around in a store because of your skin. that is what white privilege is all about. not that life is a cake walk for white people, it's that in a racist world, they are the ones that don't have to worry about one factor holding them back: their skin colour.

*in the West

not always applicable if youre Caucasian in parts of China or Japan

[StylinRed]

Remember the system being fought wants the violence. They want you to pay attention to the violence. If there's not enough violence, they'll set it up themselves.

https://streamable.com/sh2rud

Source (https://www.instagram.com/p/CA6b0TWHYNF/)

wait, because they're white kids, they're not a part of the protest, and a part of "they" ….that's charlesincharge type shit

[SkinnyPupp]

wait, because they're white kids, they're not a part of the protest, and a part of "they" ….that's charlesincharge type shit
I get that 7 minutes is a long ass video on the internet nowadays so I'll forgive you for skimming through the video... But it goes quite a bit beyond some people who just happen to be white (like come on, seriously? You?)

You're right though, it very well could be BLM supporters, who happen to not know each other but came equipped with fire starting material, who talk to each other briefly, but arrived and left separately, burned down a decommissioned police car that was left parked in the middle of the street.

ORRRRRRRRRRRRRR

It could be that there's some people who want to instigate and provoke, and cause more violence to detract from the peaceful protests.

I don't claim to know the truth, but I definitely believe what's more likely, in my personal opinion.

[whitev70r]

A counter 'opinion'. Violent protesters are not 'outside' agitators but they are ... local violent protesters.

Some U.S. officials are blaming outside agitators for unrest. That tactic has a long history, experts say

From cbc - https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/protests-riots-outside-agitators-1.5593978

Governor, president claimed, without evidence, that 80% of protesters in Minneapolis came from out of state.

"Our best estimate right now that I heard is about 20 per cent is what we think are Minnesotans and about 80 per cent are outside," said the state's governor, Tim Walz, at a press conference Saturday.

He didn't provide any proof. Similar assertions were made by the mayors of Minneapolis and St. Paul, though later St. Paul Mayor Melvin Carter said that he was given inaccurate information about the provenance of the protesters.

U.S. President Donald Trump also echoed Walz's statement on Twitter Saturday.

"In a lot of communities, southern sheriffs and politicians would raise the spectre of outside agitators to deflect from the legitimate concerns of local activists," he said.

"The Communist Party, for example, is one of the favourite whipping boys of the southern segregationists who claimed that it was communist influences that were really stirring up civil rights protests."

Williams sees the same deflection happening now, as some public officials once again focus on outside agitators and blame them for the violence instead of addressing the concerns over racism voiced by the protesters.

[Hakkaboy]

ORRRRRRRRRRRRRR

It could be that there's some people who want to instigate and provoke, and cause more violence to detract from the peaceful protests.

I don't claim to know the truth, but I definitely believe what's more likely, in my personal opinion.

I think there are anarchist groups that travel to these spots to cause mayhem. Not sure what their motive is, except to cause trouble? But I do agree that the cops have an incentive to making these protesters look bad and try to get their public on their side if there is excessive violence and looting.

From my own experience during the Stanley Cup riot in 2011, I remember seeing a group of young people (18-22yo?) gathered in an alley right after the game was finished, all wearing dark clothes with masks, hoodies and backpacks and were speaking in a different language other than English. They stuck out to me because none of them were wearing any Canucks or Bruins gear, whereas at least one person in any other group would wear something Canucks related.

Later on, I saw 2 girls, same M.O., start dragging out newspaper boxes onto the the middle of the street. I took a pic of the second one they did, but it definitely look like they were doing it in an organized manner. Again, this was before other people started to act stupid. Another 5 to 10 minutes after this pic was taken, they were successful and the rest was history

[mikemhg]

Who the hell is 'they'? Don't tell me you believe that the police is causing the violence? You can't possibly be that stupid, are you? So 'they' are white supremists? Or are they paid professionals hired to cause mayhem by the Trump administration? Or just rednecks from Iowa? Or are they a new generation of Malcolm X followers?

What? The police most definitely are encouraging the violence. Have you not seen the videos of police running people over in New York, physically abusing peaceful protesters on the streets in various cities here?

If you don't think that type of militaristic action from the police doesn't incite further violence, then you have your head in the sand.

[mikemhg]

This is why black people get so discouraged by white people. You have some people in this thread that would rather spend time complaining about the small portions of violence in these very much needed protests, meanwhile COMPLETELY ignoring the reason we're here in the first place.

It's unbelievable. Perhaps educate yourself on the police response to peaceful protests going back decades by the black community in the US, look at how the police are responding to these people today, some of these images are very much akin to the 1960's.

The hypocrisy in some of these arguments are laughable at best. The same people who claim "not all cops are bad, there's good one's too" will be the same to lambaste some vandals as indicative of all protesters.

These arguments always fall into the "left" vs "right" asinine paradigm.

What solutions are you offering here by arguing about the violence? Why not concentrate on what you'll do, or what you think should be done to fix this issue, maybe then we can address the rioting.

This will not end until there is some concrete change here.

[Ch28]

Ben & Jerry's going hard

We Must Dismantle White Supremacy - Silence is NOT an option (https://www.benjerry.com/about-us/media-center/dismantle-white-supremacy)

All of us at Ben & Jerry’s are outraged about the murder of another Black person by Minneapolis police officers last week and the continued violent response by police against protestors. We have to speak out. We have to stand together with the victims of murder, marginalization, and repression because of their skin color, and with those who seek justice through protests across our country. We have to say his name: George Floyd.

George Floyd was a son, a brother, a father, and a friend. The police officer who put his knee on George Floyd’s neck and the police officers who stood by and watched didn’t just murder George Floyd, they stole him. They stole him from his family and his friends, his church and his community, and from his own future.

The murder of George Floyd was the result of inhumane police brutality that is perpetuated by a culture of white supremacy. What happened to George Floyd was not the result of a bad apple; it was the predictable consequence of a racist and prejudiced system and culture that has treated Black bodies as the enemy from the beginning. What happened to George Floyd in Minneapolis is the fruit borne of toxic seeds planted on the shores of our country in Jamestown in 1619, when the first enslaved men and women arrived on this continent. Floyd is the latest in a long list of names that stretches back to that time and that shore. Some of those names we know — Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor, Oscar Grant, Eric Garner, Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, Emmett Till, Martin Luther King, Jr. — most we don’t.

The officers who murdered George Floyd, who stole him from those who loved him, must be brought to justice. At the same time, we must embark on the more complicated work of delivering justice for all the victims of state sponsored violence and racism.

Four years ago, we publicly stated our support for the Black Lives Matter movement. Today, we want to be even more clear about the urgent need to take concrete steps to dismantle white supremacy in all its forms. To do that, we are calling for four things:

First, we call upon President Trump, elected officials, and political parties to commit our nation to a formal process of healing and reconciliation. Instead of calling for the use of aggressive tactics on protestors, the President must take the first step by disavowing white supremacists and nationalist groups that overtly support him, and by not using his Twitter feed to promote and normalize their ideas and agendas. The world is watching America’s response.

Second, we call upon the Congress to pass H.R. 40, legislation that would create a commission to study the effects of slavery and discrimination from 1619 to the present and recommend appropriate remedies. We cannot move forward together as a nation until we begin to grapple with the sins of our past. Slavery, Jim Crow, and segregation were systems of legalized and monetized white supremacy for which generations of Black and Brown people paid an immeasurable price. That cost must be acknowledged and the privilege that accrued to some at the expense of others must be reckoned with and redressed.

Third, we support Floyd’s family’s call to create a national task force that would draft bipartisan legislation aimed at ending racial violence and increasing police accountability. We can’t continue to fund a criminal justice system that perpetuates mass incarceration while at the same time threatens the lives of a whole segment of the population.

And finally, we call on the Department of Justice to reinvigorate its Civil Rights Division as a staunch defender of the rights of Black and Brown people. The DOJ must also reinstate policies rolled back under the Trump Administration, such as consent decrees to curb police abuses.

Unless and until white America is willing to collectively acknowledge its privilege, take responsibility for its past and the impact it has on the present, and commit to creating a future steeped in justice, the list of names that George Floyd has been added to will never end. We have to use this moment to accelerate our nation's long journey towards justice and a more perfect union.

[mikemhg]

^They should make a flavor for George Floyd, call it "BLM" or something, make it heavily chocolate in flavor, I'll buy 20 pints :)

[Hehe]

I think we have to draw a line somewhere.

You want to make a case for BLM, that's all fine and good. Looting and rioting, even resorting to violence is not.

There are people, who see this as an opportunity, be it to create social unrest or down to a dude trying to snatch some shit for free. They don't CARE about BLM. They just use it as an opportunity or excuse to gain something. Worse, they are blaming what's happening to them BECAUSE of Discrimination.

I am all in for racial equality and stop discrimination. I am Asian that grew up in a white dominant society in South America. Growing up, I've suffered my share of discrimination. But I am also taught to respect others and be a good citizen. If I told my parents that there's a chaos, let's go loot the stores as no one would come after my ass. My parents would have whoopped my shiny Asian ass until it's mashed in one piece.

These people should feel ashamed. They are taking advantage of an unfortunate event of other, so they can advance themselves in a certain way. All while making havoc in other's life. Have they thought about the people life who depends on working on those stores they rooted? Have they thought about the families of people who rely on the income of these businesses? What are they going to do now that they are out of work?FUCK THESE STUPID PEOPLE and I hope they burn in hell.

BLM is NOT an excuse to one's incompetence and life misery. I have many black friends who came from families with little to no resources and even fucked up ones. But all that didn't stop them to excel in their own life. The fucking difference is that they didn't take the easy way out and blame their skin as an excuse for their life. They work hard to prove that they can be BETTER, even to those with different skin colors.

#BlackLivesCANmatterWITHOUTVIOLENCE.

[birddog3k]

What solutions are you offering here by arguing about the violence? Why not concentrate on what you'll do, or what you think should be done to fix this issue, maybe then we can address the rioting.

This will not end until there is some concrete change here.

Please explain your solutions and what you mean by "concrete change".

[twitchyzero]

resort to violence to be heard

"Family-owned pharmacy already hurting during COVID-19 hit by looters in SJ"

Wong estimates the theft at $50,000. However, more than money, he's concerned about the patients now going without treatment. He said the pharmacy services mental health patients, clinics, adult residential facilities, and more.

https://abc7news.com/looting-san-jose-riots-protest-today/6228349/

and a convenient store looted...let's target the immigrants, that'll show the police/government!

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1267508773582786562/t0apx670?format=jpg&name=medium

https://www.gofundme.com/f/20ucq3292o

[Obsideon]

I've noticed on FB some people asking about which restaurants and stores are "black operated" so they can go eat and buy stuff in support.


Hello! Can anyone recommend a Black-owned restaurant in the Tri-city area that perhaps does delivery through Skip, DD, or Ubereats?
My usual go-to is Harambe on Commercial but I'm not sure if they're open still.
Open to all varieties!

https://scontent.fyvr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100935279_10103481486779591_1730198223387099136_n. jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_oc=AQn-VwrWZhE9fzlv4kwowSWPsHFXOrcbUxb9VSRJRHFoZVWz5Zw5gU WwmJrcx7f-Gak&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr3-1.fna&oh=78ceaad099df6ddc86aaf4c217130a10&oe=5EFD4CAD
https://www.afrobiz.ca/Vancouver/restaurants?fbclid=IwAR3cEJMWOXuTn2ucRfDLqB0P1MOjB 6Rf2Gf4QWJIZPC8Gt-hmZSHITYIRz0

Thoughts?

[MG1]

I support all local businesses equally.

[quasi]

I support all local businesses equally.

Agree, if you like the restaurant and the food they make support them. I'm not going to go out my way to support a restaurant because the owner is of a certain ethnicity. Your food/service is good or it's not.

[birddog3k]

Same here. Something about supporting someone purely because of their ethnicity feels wrong. It evokes a negative feeling in my gut so I wouldn't do it.

[Manic!]

resort to violence to be heard

"Family-owned pharmacy already hurting during COVID-19 hit by looters in SJ"



https://abc7news.com/looting-san-jose-riots-protest-today/6228349/

and a convenient store looted...let's target the immigrants, that'll show the police/government!

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1267508773582786562/t0apx670?format=jpg&name=medium

https://www.gofundme.com/f/20ucq3292o

collateral damage. The us military are experts in it.

[320icar]

I've noticed on FB some people asking about which restaurants and stores are "black operated" so they can go eat and buy stuff in support.


https://scontent.fyvr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100935279_10103481486779591_1730198223387099136_n. jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_oc=AQn-VwrWZhE9fzlv4kwowSWPsHFXOrcbUxb9VSRJRHFoZVWz5Zw5gU WwmJrcx7f-Gak&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr3-1.fna&oh=78ceaad099df6ddc86aaf4c217130a10&oe=5EFD4CAD
https://www.afrobiz.ca/Vancouver/restaurants?fbclid=IwAR3cEJMWOXuTn2ucRfDLqB0P1MOjB 6Rf2Gf4QWJIZPC8Gt-hmZSHITYIRz0

Thoughts?

Isn’t solving racism, just like sexism, about treating people equally? I totally get going out of your way to support the ‘underdog’ if you will. But patronizing an establishment on no other merit but race is not equality.

Edit: I’m born and raised in the GVRD with good parents that raised my family right. We’re very multicultural as is the GVRD as whole. I can’t put my mindset in the shoes of a white person in Iowa or Alberta/Saskatchewan etc that is extremely white-dominant. I’m not ignorant to how white people are in other places, but I just don’t see it here.

[Hondaracer]

Maybe you should go eat from the Bannock food truck to do your part in reconciliation while you’re at it

[320icar]

I see that restaurant post akin to ‘affirmative action’ which absolutely has its place. No question that in companies in certain places or times some races would be picked over others purely on the colour of their skin. Something like affirmative action is a way to right past wrongs and I understand that.

But again, in my life experiences in the GVRD. With the friends I have, family I enjoy and businesses I work with/for I do not see racism. Practically everyone here has an equal chance. Maybe I’m shockingly ignorant, or just blind to the plight of the fellow citizens in the gvrd.

[Great68]

Isn’t solving racism, just like sexism, about treating people equally? I totally get going out of your way to support the ‘underdog’ if you will. But patronizing an establishment on no other merit but race is not equality.

Edit: I’m born and raised in the GVRD with good parents that raised my family right. We’re very multicultural as is the GVRD as whole. I can’t put my mindset in the shoes of a white person in Iowa or Alberta/Saskatchewan etc that is extremely white-dominant. I’m not ignorant to how white people are in other places, but I just don’t see it here.

People can choose to patronize establishments on whatever merits they want. I think is more of an awareness thing No one is "stop going to restaurants owned by white people, go to restaurants owned by black people instead". They're saying "Just so you know, here are some restaurants owned by black people you may want to try and support".

If you want a more controversial discussion about what constitutes equality/inequalities, talk about affirmative action programs...

[SkinnyPupp]

People can choose to patronize establishments on whatever merits they want. I think is more of an awareness thing No one is "stop going to restaurants owned by white people, go to restaurants owned by black people instead". They're saying "Just so you know, here are some restaurants owned by black people you may want to try and support".

If you want a more controversial discussion about what constitutes equality/inequalities, talk about affirmative action programs...
Right, I think a lot of people feel helpless right now, and want to do SOMETHING. I think they want to show support to Black Lives Matter in some way, and to them, supporting individuals financially is one way to do it.

Do it or don't do it, but it's kinda weird to be hyper critical about it, IMO. By consciously supporting black people in your community, it's not like you're saying you don't care about white people or chinese people... I think people are just trying to show compassion right now *shrug* (we need a shrug emote btw).

It's so weird to see compassion being criticized so much. Like criticizing a prime minister for pausing to think before answering a question, I feel like I wouldn't have seen this kind of thing 10 years ago, but maybe I'm wrong...

It also counters the racists who are probably purposefully NOT going to these places right now. Obviously that's not going to be a huge trend in Vancouver, but we all know that type of person exists.

[320icar]

If you want a more controversial discussion about what constitutes equality/inequalities, talk about affirmative action programs...

Uh, yeah I did, literally the post above yours. I also addressed that I’m clearly sheltered and truly won’t understand the plight

[whitev70r]

#allrestaurantsmatter

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/OmarJimenez/status/1268245592964313095

[Manic!]

A few positive things have already happened because of the protests.

1. A number of cops have been fired for misconduct.
2. A number of racist statues and buildings have\will be coming down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LopiF8L9tww


https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-06-03/virginia-governor-to-announce-removal-of-lee-statue?fbclid=IwAR0OE2tMQiFU9Seh5mBWXgZ_RQfcmlcukD ASRIXzAVoLulHHYGRPfzBHKoY#:~:text=(AP)%20%E2%80%94 %20Virginia%20Gov.,official%20told%20The%20Associa ted%20Press

[mikemhg]

Please explain your solutions and what you mean by "concrete change".

It's interesting how welfare's secondary account comes out in times like these.

Do you care, welfare? Do you actually care if I go down the list of items I'd like to see concrete change in, and addressed?

I won't even delve into the issues as a result of red-lining, the lack pf parity in the justice system when it comes to those that are white versus black, to the issues of income in-equality and the systemic Jim Crow laws that the US government has had in place to put these communities in the position they are in today. If I knew you cared, perhaps I would put together in essay discussing these topics.

Very simply to answer your question on the highest scale, accountability.

You know why we keep seeing these videos? You know why that officer was able to stone face look at bystanders watching him slowly kill a man? Lack of accountability, impunity, he knew that he would not be held accountable under normal circumstances.

I want to see officers punished to the full extent of the law in every scenario where this happens going forward.

The medical examiner that attempted to exonerate the force by fudging his assessment that George passed away due to a "pre-existing" condition. It took independent examiners to clearly prove that this was not the case. Even in such a high profile case such as this one, the law is still attempting to resort to their trickery and lies.

Do you know how often this occurs in cases? Too many to call here.

I've spoken about the DA's in Georgia that attempted to cover up the Arbery shooting.

To the prosecutors that throw black men in jail under false charges, or trumped up confessions, to the judges that sentence these men, there is rot in every facet of the system here.

So please clarify to me, what do you require me to expound on in terms of what I'd like to see change? In fact, let me pose you a question. Tell me specifically, what do you know about this very subject?

[MG1]

Maybe you should go eat from the Bannock food truck to do your part in reconciliation while you’re at it

https://ueat.utoronto.ca/a-history-of-bannock/


Plus, the food truck could be owned by a Hungarian, for all we know.

Just Saiyan...............

[320icar]

It's interesting how welfare's secondary account comes out in times like these.

Do you care, welfare? Do you actually care if I go down the list of items I'd like to see concrete change in, and addressed?

I won't even delve into the issues as a result of red-lining, the lack pf parity in the justice system when it comes to those that are white versus black, to the issues of income in-equality and the systemic Jim Crow laws that the US government has had in place to put these communities in the position they are in today. If I knew you cared, perhaps I would put together in essay discussing these topics.

Very simply to answer your question on the highest scale, accountability.

You know why we keep seeing these videos? You know why that officer was able to stone face look at bystanders watching him slowly kill a man? Lack of accountability, impunity, he knew that he would not be held accountable under normal circumstances.

I want to see officers punished to the full extent of the law in every scenario where this happens going forward.

The medical examiner that attempted to exonerate the force by fudging his assessment that George passed away due to a "pre-existing" condition. It took independent examiners to clearly prove that this was not the case. Even in such a high profile case such as this one, the law is still attempting to resort to their trickery and lies.

Do you know how often this occurs in cases? Too many to call here.

I've spoken about the DA's in Georgia that attempted to cover up the Arbery shooting.

To the prosecutors that throw black men in jail under false charges, or trumped up confessions, to the judges that sentence these men, there is rot in every facet of the system here.

So please clarify to me, what do you require me to expound on in terms of what I'd like to see change? In fact, let me pose you a question. Tell me specifically, what do you know about this very subject?

The fucking worst is the tactic of getting a guilty plea when there is little to no evidence (they don’t want to let someone get away regardless whether their innocent or not). They’ll threaten crazy charges, convince them they’re fucked and they’ll accept a plea deal. They don’t realize how it will fuck their life up after their sentence.

The levels of “the blue line” is insane

[mikemhg]

The fucking worst is the tactic of getting a guilty plea when there is little to no evidence (they don’t want to let someone get away regardless whether their innocent or not). They’ll threaten crazy charges, convince them they’re fucked and they’ll accept a plea deal. They don’t realize how it will fuck their life up after their sentence.

The levels of “the blue line” is insane

Exactly. It's almost like a game to them, meanwhile they are playing with people's lives here.

Once again I pose, to the people complaining about violence in these protests. Have you not seen the videos of undercover cops breaking windows, and reports of white supremacist groups joining in on the looting and destruction?

Hehe, I saw you supporting the HK protests, knowing full well every protest is ALWAYS infiltrated by groups that want to remove legitimacy from the movement and message.

These tactics are not new, and have always been used as a means to respond with violence by the authorities, while also changing the topic on the very issue at hand. Why are the protesters being treated like a monolith, simply because some anarchists want to loot?

You've spent more time in this thread condemning the protests, rather then addressing why they're protesting in the first place.

You want to know why people are having such a visceral reaction to this, and why I personally think the police are inciting much of this?

Look no further then a few weeks ago in Michigan. We had armed white men who were able to march on the capitol, brandishing their weapons, and enter the legislature with complete impunity. Not a single rubber bullet, not a single can of tear gas was fired.

Meanwhile we have peaceful protesters being shot in the face with rubber bullets, tear gas, journalists being assaulted, cops running people over in SUVs, you name it. We are seeing a complete and total disproportion of reaction by police to two different groups of people.

Trump's stunt with his riot cops, attacking peaceful protests Lafayette square is a perfect example of that.

Violence begets violence, plain and simple, you reap what you sow.

[twitchyzero]

you reap what you sow.

you as in other minorities who run small businesses with tight margins?

[Manic!]

you as in other minorities who run small businesses with tight margins?

Who said margins are tight?

[mikemhg]

Twitchy, you're putting forth an argument that not one person said they support.

No one has said targeting small business is good, luckily there is insurance for that. Once again, you are alleging that the people attacking the small businesses are the protesters, when we've seen obvious cases against that.

Let me leave this here, this is right from Minnesota.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63y9G4MZsh8&t=1049s

The first business in the video that was ransacked, we see clearly on the video the kids entering and ransacking the store were white kids, apparently from out of town.

You say you worry about the small business owners, when there's a small business owner right in the belly of the beast in Minneapolis, the local protesters are defending the store. Look at how the police are treating people in the video, attacking the very owner and the locals defending the place.

Doesn't seem to me the police care about the small business owners.

They police literally roll up and shoot rubber bullets and pepper spray at the owner defending his store, and into the business itself. They also shoot journalists covering the event right in their face while laying harmlessly on the ground.

What kind of people are these officers? What kind of culture has been created in these forces to think that this is acceptable?

To think that this militaristic practice of enforcement, which I may have you all hearken back to the methods the colonial American forces in the Philippines and Caribbean had utilized in the early 20th century.

When you watch these events, how anyone is surprised people are turning violent completely mystifies me. You expect people to simply bend over and take that treatment, then?

[GLOW]

2 cops' expressions :lol :lawl:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gw03bb/ill_fuck_any_police_officer_that_quits_today/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

and as usual the reddit comments Kappa

[AzNightmare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUYF1o8lsXk

Not sure if this was posted yet (this thread moves fast).

[SkinnyPupp]

This is a long watch, but if you've been waiting to hear what a leader SHOULD say, look to.... The Rock? yup

https://twitter.com/TheRock/status/1268396403711082496

[danned]

the rock's head looks like a giant egg

[Hehe]

It's interesting how welfare's secondary account comes out in times like these.

Do you care, welfare? Do you actually care if I go down the list of items I'd like to see concrete change in, and addressed?

I won't even delve into the issues as a result of red-lining, the lack pf parity in the justice system when it comes to those that are white versus black, to the issues of income in-equality and the systemic Jim Crow laws that the US government has had in place to put these communities in the position they are in today. If I knew you cared, perhaps I would put together in essay discussing these topics.

Very simply to answer your question on the highest scale, accountability.

You know why we keep seeing these videos? You know why that officer was able to stone face look at bystanders watching him slowly kill a man? Lack of accountability, impunity, he knew that he would not be held accountable under normal circumstances.

I want to see officers punished to the full extent of the law in every scenario where this happens going forward.

The medical examiner that attempted to exonerate the force by fudging his assessment that George passed away due to a "pre-existing" condition. It took independent examiners to clearly prove that this was not the case. Even in such a high profile case such as this one, the law is still attempting to resort to their trickery and lies.

Do you know how often this occurs in cases? Too many to call here.

I've spoken about the DA's in Georgia that attempted to cover up the Arbery shooting.

To the prosecutors that throw black men in jail under false charges, or trumped up confessions, to the judges that sentence these men, there is rot in every facet of the system here.

So please clarify to me, what do you require me to expound on in terms of what I'd like to see change? In fact, let me pose you a question. Tell me specifically, what do you know about this very subject?


I agree that accountability is crucial. Law is what our society is based on, and everyone should abide the same law.

The reason I have different opinion of what's going on in the US vs. HK is this very issue. And it's the very same idea how I am making my statements.

HK has no choice. They have a gov't who isn't willing to have dialogue. After all, they do whatever Beijing says, and if Beijing is letting Lam to change stance, nothing will change. So, going on the street, even if there's the risk people rioting, one'd just take it. Because that is the last resort. The protestors in HK made their requests loud and clear. Beijing NEVER had a dialogue. It abandoned the proposal because it gave up. But it's clear that Beijing doesn't want ANY dialogue whatsoever because it doesn't want to set a precedent of "things are negotiable".

Now turn to the US, what requests did the protestors or writer made? I'm sorry... other than #BlackLivesMatter, I didn't see shit. The people just started looting because the opportunity it gave them. IT IS THEM who doesn't want to have a dialogue, NOT the government.

That's why I suggested that if the dems had any cojones, they'd announce that anyone arrested for looting or rioting WOULD be prosecuted to the MAXIMUM EXTENT the law permits.

I'm just asking the full accountability to go both way. Because this is the only way we'd protect our society; that the law apply the same way to everyone, no matter what side you are on... right or wrong.

[AzNightmare]

https://globalnews.ca/news/7024541/george-floyd-autopsy-covid-19/


The report by Chief Medical Examiner Andrew Baker spelled out clinical details, including that Floyd had tested positive for COVID-19 on April 3 but appeared asymptomatic. The report also noted Floyd’s lungs appeared healthy but he had some narrowing of arteries in the heart.

[ilovebacon]

wheres his eyebrows?

[Manic!]

Now turn to the US, what requests did the protestors or writer made? I'm sorry... other than #BlackLivesMatter, I didn't see shit.

Are you blind? Yor already asked and it was answered on page 6.

You think trump is going to listen to anyone?

[Manic!]

Hasan goes in on Asians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_FE78X-qdY

[EndLeSS8]

Hasan goes in on Asians.



This is really good, raw and honest. Thank you for this.

[CivicBlues]

I've noticed on FB some people asking about which restaurants and stores are "black operated" so they can go eat and buy stuff in support.


https://scontent.fyvr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100935279_10103481486779591_1730198223387099136_n. jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_oc=AQn-VwrWZhE9fzlv4kwowSWPsHFXOrcbUxb9VSRJRHFoZVWz5Zw5gU WwmJrcx7f-Gak&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr3-1.fna&oh=78ceaad099df6ddc86aaf4c217130a10&oe=5EFD4CAD
https://www.afrobiz.ca/Vancouver/restaurants?fbclid=IwAR3cEJMWOXuTn2ucRfDLqB0P1MOjB 6Rf2Gf4QWJIZPC8Gt-hmZSHITYIRz0

Thoughts?

I've tried a number of these places and I'm pretty sure at least a couple of these establishments are owned by ethnic-Indians as in they were part of the Indian diaspora that emigrated from East Africa.

I think the creator of this just filtered by "African Restaurants" and assumed they were all black owned.

[SiRV]

This was an amazing article written by an Asian American about why we should care (assuming this might be relevant to other Asians here)

https://chineseamerican.org/p/31571?fbclid=IwAR1klWkQtdD3GTTxh41VnPdznAxbp4-PVd3ccgLeKgL_sShMMzS04znZtio

[Ludepower]

What's everyone's thoughts on the planned protest at the Vancouver convention center tomorrow.

Do these protestors forget were in a fucking pandemic? My ass has been home doing my part while we have thousands making they're way downtown in crowded skytrains.

All of our commendable work in keeping the infection rate low goes down the toilet with these idiots.

[pastarocket]

What's everyone's thoughts on the planned protest at the Vancouver convention center tomorrow.

Do these protestors forget were in a fucking pandemic? My ass has been home doing my part while we have thousands making they're way downtown in crowded skytrains.

All of our commendable work in keeping the infection rate low goes down the toilet with these idiots.


That group of SJW's need to wear masks! :mad:

[welfare]

Health experts agree that 'white supremacy' is a health crisis that overrides the risks of coronavirus.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-supremacy-is-a-lethal-public-health-issue-dozens-of-public-health-experts-sign-letter-encouraging-floyd-protesters-to-continue

What's everyone's thoughts on the planned protest at the Vancouver convention center tomorrow.

Do these protestors forget were in a fucking pandemic? My ass has been home doing my part while we have thousands making they're way downtown in crowded skytrains.

All of our commendable work in keeping the infection rate low goes down the toilet with these idiots.

[Manic!]

Health experts agree that 'white supremacy' is a health crisis that overrides the risks of coronavirus.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-supremacy-is-a-lethal-public-health-issue-dozens-of-public-health-experts-sign-letter-encouraging-floyd-protesters-to-continue

Getting a hair cut trumps everything else in the world.

https://beta.cp24.com/content/dam/cp24/images/2020/4/25/1_4911887.jpg

https://i.redd.it/lkz56h4kvs251.jpg

[StylinRed]

What I don't get is why ppl are acting as if we're Americans...

[Manic!]

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It's interesting how welfare's secondary account comes out in times like these.

Do you care, welfare? Do you actually care if I go down the list of items I'd like to see concrete change in, and addressed?

I won't even delve into the issues as a result of red-lining, the lack pf parity in the justice system when it comes to those that are white versus black, to the issues of income in-equality and the systemic Jim Crow laws that the US government has had in place to put these communities in the position they are in today. If I knew you cared, perhaps I would put together in essay discussing these topics.

Very simply to answer your question on the highest scale, accountability.

You know why we keep seeing these videos? You know why that officer was able to stone face look at bystanders watching him slowly kill a man? Lack of accountability, impunity, he knew that he would not be held accountable under normal circumstances.

I want to see officers punished to the full extent of the law in every scenario where this happens going forward.

The medical examiner that attempted to exonerate the force by fudging his assessment that George passed away due to a "pre-existing" condition. It took independent examiners to clearly prove that this was not the case. Even in such a high profile case such as this one, the law is still attempting to resort to their trickery and lies.

Do you know how often this occurs in cases? Too many to call here.

I've spoken about the DA's in Georgia that attempted to cover up the Arbery shooting.

To the prosecutors that throw black men in jail under false charges, or trumped up confessions, to the judges that sentence these men, there is rot in every facet of the system here.

So please clarify to me, what do you require me to expound on in terms of what I'd like to see change? In fact, let me pose you a question. Tell me specifically, what do you know about this very subject?


Didn't you call me an alt-right Russian bot first?

I don't know much about this subject. I just think police brutality is bad.

Here's an interesting perspective for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7ewJtUOVjA