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Originally Posted by instantneedles
(Post 7914704)
Skinny, review on razor 8 as well?
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Sure
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EFFECTIVE INGREDIENTS AS A PRE-WORKOUT SUPPLEMENT ARE IN BOLD
CNS Stimulation / FFA Release / Beta Agonist Caffeine - 364 mg
Geranium - 52 mg (herbal form of 1,3D but there is no evidence that the plant oil actually contains any, so this is sketchy. Label booster)
1,3 trimethylxanthine - 46 mg (this is just another word for "caffeine", they probably put it there to confuse you into thinking this is like 1,3D, so it's a label booster)
Hordenine - 44 mg (a rather strong stimulant, but quite a short half life)
Yohimbine HCl - 10mg (Another good stim, possibly underdosed if you are big. This has a high chance of making you feel anxious, especially with high doses of caffeine)
ATP Enhancer / Myofibril Acidification Buffer (wat?)
Creatine Mono - 5g (well I guess you don't have to dose it that day)
Beta Alanine - 326 mg (that's about
1/24th of one daily dose so this is there as a label booster)
Creatinol O Phosphate - 100 mg (completely unnecessary when there is already monohydrate. Another label booster)
Endothellial Expansion / Hemodynamic Volumizer (LOL these are getting worse with each one)
Arginine - 3.688 g (This is the 'pump' ingredient if you haven't figured that out from the silly name. But once it gets through the liver, very little makes it to the actual muscle. So it's not going to be useful as a pump ingredient, especially at this dose, unless you are deficient in arginine. If you were wondering why so many "PUMP" supplements can be called "DUMP" supplements, it's because arginine uptake in the gut is very poor, and therefore basically acts as a laxative)
Polymethoxylated FFA Release Extension / Hyperlytic Acceleration (They are really pushing it now, LOL)
Yerba Meta Green Tea - 20 mg (healthy in high, regular doses, but this ain't no high dose. Label booster)
Naringin (grapefruit) - 10 mg (increases absorption of caffeine)
Conclusions
400 mg of caffeine, and not much else. The inclusion of Hordenine and Yohimbine are what makes it feel stronger than caffeine, and the grapefruit helps absorption. You could easily replicate this with
Caffeine HCl tabs,
Yohimbine HCl, and
pure Hordenine. Continue to take Creatine on your own, and you will be paying
$0.19 per dose instead of (I assume $2 or more).
BTW every PWO review will basically be the same. Lots of caffeine with a bunch of stuff that is either useless, or such a low dose that it is effectively useless. That is because anything that can be sold under the watchful eye of the FDA can't put in the effective ingredients like 1,3D or Oxiracetam/Aniracetam.
Until more 'nootropic' ingredients get attention from the BB scene, we won't see many effective PWOs that include neural boosting ingredients like ALCAR, Huperzine, Vincopetine, etc. Like I said before, the only one I have seen do this is Focus XT (White Flood and Neurocore both make an attempt but are so underdosed that they fail). I would bet that if Biotest ever gets into the PWO scene, they will do it this way, but it will be hilariously expensive. Because their staff actually knows how effective the neural connection is to building muscle. Others are there just to sell shit. Biotest is there to sell shit and train/educate.
As a side note, I really wish Alpha Brain didn't make me sick, because I think that would be a fucken awesome PWO.
