why are you on RS complaining about it?? there are legal ways for both of you to prove your cases

Edit: next time keep your receipts

The people failing him are the people who have no idea what they are talking about :whistle:

so what now?

He isn't trying to sue. He's just warning people. He said it would cost 2000-3000 to sue and he doesn't have a receipt, so he has a weak case and will be wasting his money. He just doesn't want people to get ripped off too.
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I'm out of thanks for today, but I owe you one.

:woot2:

I also stated this multiple times in the VCC thread,

for fucks sakes even if the guy ran 87 octane and a shitty tune it wouldnt blast the guides / seals.


its also extremely surprising that evo garage would try and write this off as the ecu's fault, which makes me believe they have no idea what their doing.

If I am reading this correct, that even AFTER the SECOND rebuild that Ed never agreed to pay for but did eventually, the motor is STILL BURNING OIL?! This just shows how "good" evo garage & the Winnipeg machine shop is...

Exactly

+1

I don't understand why a Mercedes Benz Tech, an experienced tuning shop and a machine shop with a flawless reputation can't rebuild a motor and have it not burn massive amounts of oil..

I don't think we can jump to quite a conclusion yet. Shit happens and that's life.

The issue at hand is how the whole situation was handled.

IMO probably a combination of trust, reputation and ego.

Ed trusted the shop and the shop trusted the machinist. The latter 2 had a good reputation as far as Ed was concerned. Ed did his part to break it in and diagnose the problem. Everything else should've been left in the hands of Evo and his machine shop to rectify based on Ed's findings and their own tests.

If the compression was good and oil was only pissing into 1 cylinder that should've led them to believe there was a problem with the top end. They already admited to installing the valve seals wrong. Why not go through the head piece by piece?

Blaming the ECU/tune was a copout IMO.

^
Break-in procedure posted by Iron Chef looked good, too.

Ed, if you continually stopped by the shop updating them on the status of the problem, how come you never mentioned the ecu? You said when he asked you didn't think of it because it was for a short period of time... In the 500kms did you at any point stop by the shop? You obviously "forgot" to mention it then too.

And before I'm flamed, no I don't blame the ecu. But I find it ludicrous that someone who took the car to track days/drag racing would ever expect a warranty on anything, never mind an engine that likely met rev limiter multiple times. Especially on a cash sale.

Ed showing up with his friends reminded me of the FNF scene when all the engines go missing in the shop... "what are you thinking today [Ed], 10-40?" Haha. Stop trying to be such a "gangster."

As far as being ripped off 5250? No. You still have an engine. It's not like he took your money and said fuck you. If anything all you were screwed of for was the unauthorized work. Evo garage should have never authorized that without your consent. That being said if you're a certified MB tech, and you truly have a passion for your car I don't see why instead of starting an online war you haven't just fixed it already. If it pisses you off that much fix the thing already. You know what they say, if you want something done right do it yourself. I bet in the time you spend maintaining this thread among the others you probably could have had a hefty start on what seems to be an inevitable repair.
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from past experiences, it doesnt matter if you are running a hondata box, chipped ecu or stock ecu. If the motor was assembled improperly, its gonna smoke or consume oil. From the pics posted of the head/block, you can see that there is a problem with guides/seals in the #1 cylinder....especially if you can see oil on the tops of the valves.

So regardless of how strong the relationship Dave or his shop had with the machine shop, after having problems after the first rebuild the motor should have been taken out and sent to another local machine shop that had no connection to either parties and a impartial inspection done and derive a conclusion as to what went wrong.

After the second rebuild, it was rebuilt from top to bottom and everything checked out and the machine shop is good at what they do, this would not have happened again, period. Also it was mentioned that the machine shop installed the valves incorrectly? That should have been a huge red flag right there that something wasnt right and the work this shop does should be questioned.

I would probably tend to agree with others that it wasnt the best thing to make this as public as it has gotten, and both parties have to take responsibility for that, but it can become frustrating when you are trying to find answers and nothing is happening.

I have issues with some of the comments made regarding the break-in of a motor should and has to be done on a stock ecu, but ill leave that for a later discussion.

Looks like the owner of Evogarage might as well pack it in here since everyone knows about this incident and his reputation went to the shits. Might as well go back to Winnipeg to tune and rebuilt john Deere engines for the rednecks instead.

honda engines are so easy to work on that its pretty hard to fuck up. Try working on a Benz or BMW with Vanos.

^ Its not completely shot yet. Both parties might be able to work something out still.

Although I think its good that reputation is a very important part of the tuning business as it makes it so that customers get the best service possible.

it costs around 100-200$ to file a case in small claims court.

the 2-3k would be what HIS lawyer would charge him, and theres no need for a lawyer in small claims.

garage five > evo garage

G5 will do anything for their customers, i got my car tuned at g5 and wayne charge me 2 hours for tuning, but with my set up it took him longer but still charge me 2hrs labour which i thought was awesome. not only that i ordered a part that was a special order and when it came i changed my mind but rich didn't mind and did not charge me extra. my older brother who has been their customer since G5 started, will only take his friends and family to g5 becuase he knows they will be taken care of. all my friends do business with g5 only because for there outstanding customer service.

^ shameless plugs already :fullofwin:

no just a happy customer

Garage5 + Evo Garage = Butt Rape.

Call me a wimp but I can't ever imagine spending $4000+ on anything as a cash deal. The risk is never worth the possible problems that might arise. But that's just me.

This.

probably missed it, but were the guides knurled or completely replaced? or did they use liners? reason i ask is because the machine shop that did the work on my 4runner engine used liners and i've put maybe 20 000km's on the motor and i'm already losing a quart every 2000ish km's. knurled guides could probably be worse according to the research i've done. at the risk of sounding cocky, i know how to put an engine together and i checked the piston to wall clearance, ring gaps (used hastings rings instead of cheap no name ones too) and did a proper break in. i dont know, could be something to look into when/if the OP decides to fix the engine..

There seem to be a few lessons here.
1: Don't pay cash unless you are still getting a receipt.
2: Why flame a shop. If you are upset that's fine. Welcome to being human. People get upset, it's how we deal with being upset is what sets us apart from a pack of dogs and a bone.
3: Threats get people no where. An assault charge and a law suit filed against you will cost you a LOT more then the cost of the rebuild. Good luck defending your self in court when you show up at his shop as a disgruntled customer with buddies. BTW ever heard of defacement of character?
4: Sure post that you are pissed off no prob. Don't go back to the shop and leave it. What's done is now done. History. Don't turn it into a flame, it just makes you look bad.