13 supercars impounded in Surrey?

[91civicZC]

Originally Posted by taylor192

You have to remember they went after 5 of the 13, for good reason. Those 5 have previous convictions, and with multiple convictions are now eligible for the Driver Improvement Program where the superintendent hands out suspensions on an individual basis.

She just pleaded guilty to speeding (115 in a 80/90/100 depending on the location), so add another ticket to her record - and do the same to him. Then consider some of these drivers have Ns (we don't know these drivers specifically) and the superintendent has even more power to keep them off the road.

It is going to be interesting to see how the BC Supreme Court rules, as the superintendent has a lot of power to deal with repeat offenders which hasn't been successfully challenged previously.

Was that ticket handed out for that incident, or was that somthing else?

If she pleaded guilty to the speeding ticket at the time, that will make her case harder, but if it was unrelated, it shouldnt come into play.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by 91civicZC

If she pleaded guilty to the speeding ticket at the time, that will make her case harder, but if it was unrelated, it shouldnt come into play.

Of course it does, read about the Driver Improvement Program. Its for drivers that have multiple infractions in a short timeframe. As mentioned in the many articles, they only went after 5 of the 13 cause those 5 had prior infractions.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by 91civicZC

But the burden of proof has to lay with the arresting or charging officers and the courts. “He said she said” can’t be all this is based on when you have serious penalties and fines.

There's a topic in the police section posted recently you may want to review:
http://www.revscene.net/forums/65115...ket-valid.html

The courts will also accept estimates of speed from both police officers and the general public where the witness is credible and has knowledge and experience that would allow them to guage speed. Most drivers would have this capability through the experience of operating their own vehicle. Police officers have this capability as well as practice with it as they estimate speed and then confirm that speed with either a laser or radar in the course of their enforcement duties.

The serious penalties in this case are a result of multiple infractions, not the single incident or all 13 would be currently suspended.

I have no problem with this course of action. Ontario has a similar program, where after so many points accumulated you have an interview with the Ministry of Transportation and they can suspend your license at that time.

[Z3guy]

these speeding numbnuts are fighting for themselves, but what happens with their case will have huge precedent setting ramifications for all drivers in BC....I hope they hire a top notch atttorney.

From what I hear and read about this case, the police do not have a case......

[ilvtofu]

Originally Posted by taylor192

There's a topic in the police section posted recently you may want to review:
http://www.revscene.net/forums/65115...ket-valid.html

The courts will also accept estimates of speed from both police officers and the general public where the witness is credible and has knowledge and experience that would allow them to gauge speed.

I'd like to see where the credibility/experience of the finger-waggers who called in was considered. Keep in mind no police officers witnessed the alleged incident on the highway

Lol so many butthurt idiots on the comments section

[niu99]

filthy rich mainlanders. claiming low income status while living in 10 million houses in the west side. fuck them.

[mmmk]

Originally Posted by niu99

filthy rich mainlanders. claiming low income status while living in 10 million houses in the west side. fuck them.

you jelly?

[Z3guy]

Originally Posted by niu99

filthy rich mainlanders. claiming low income status while living in 10 million houses in the west side. fuck them.

wtf is your pt?

[Culture_Vulture]

Originally Posted by niu99

filthy rich mainlanders. claiming low income status while living in 10 million houses in the west side. fuck them.

What does that have to do with anything?
If I'm earning 100k annually after taxes and driving down hw91 doing speeds of 200km/h+ (or so the story goes), it would be acceptable?

[CP.AR]

^ i think he's just saying that these people immigrate here JUST to take full advantage of our social benefits whilst declaring low income (and hence paying minimal taxes).

I for one, know at least two families who got their canadian citizenship just to "see doctor" and "cheap university".

inb4 "you mad?"
yes, i am actually quite pissed at these people, as they also do complain about the wait times at the family doctor.

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by Z3guy

wtf is your pt?

the point is they are loaded but taking advantage of social programs; eating up resources that were meant for the needy. You don't see a problem with that?

[91civicZC]

Originally Posted by taylor192

There's a topic in the police section posted recently you may want to review:
http://www.revscene.net/forums/65115...ket-valid.html



The serious penalties in this case are a result of multiple infractions, not the single incident or all 13 would be currently suspended.

I have no problem with this course of action. Ontario has a similar program, where after so many points accumulated you have an interview with the Ministry of Transportation and they can suspend your license at that time.

I think you missed my point entirely.

If someone gets 5 speeding tickets in a year and you want to take away their licence, that’s great. I get it and it makes sense. Good for the province.
In this case, I still haven’t seen anything saying they were clocked at such and such speed, or were even observed by an officer speeding. All of this is from people who were on the highway saying they were speeding heavily.
People are innocent until proven guilty.

While I have no doubt that these people were part of the problem, there isn’t anything I have reported that would show the police can prove it. Its all based on witnesses saying that this happened, but nothing to really back it up (at least reported on by the media, for all we know the cops do have evidence apart from statements that were reported)

If witnesses can pick out specific cars or identify drivers that’s one thing, but just claiming to see a group of people speeding, and the police catch up with them after the fact and start towing and pulling licences makes no sense to me.

Im glad that you have no problem with this course of action, ill think you find that many people do.

If they are pulling her licence due to how many speeding tickets she has racked up, no worries, good on them. If they are pulling her licence due to this situation (which is whats being reported) then they should have to do a lot more than "you were with a group of people who were reported speeding by some other people on a highway".

[Marco911]

Originally Posted by taylor192

You have to remember they went after 5 of the 13, for good reason. Those 5 have previous convictions, and with multiple convictions are now eligible for the Driver Improvement Program where the superintendent hands out suspensions on an individual basis.

She just pleaded guilty to speeding (115 in a 80/90/100 depending on the location), so add another ticket to her record - and do the same to him. Then consider some of these drivers have Ns (we don't know these drivers specifically) and the superintendent has even more power to keep them off the road.

It is going to be interesting to see how the BC Supreme Court rules, as the superintendent has a lot of power to deal with repeat offenders which hasn't been successfully challenged previously.

The Superintendant is an idiot. In his role, he is supposed to act as one of the checks and balances in our legal system to ensure there isn't abuse of power by the police. Just because they were at the wrong place/wrong time and happened to have a bad driving record is not grounds for suspension, unless they were charged/convicted of an additional offence.

You should learn how the law works. Her comments that she was driving at 115, is not the same as being charged and convicted of speeding.

[SpuGen]

Originally Posted by Amuro Ray

^ i think he's just saying that these people immigrate here JUST to take full advantage of our social benefits whilst declaring low income (and hence paying minimal taxes).

I for one, know at least two families who got their canadian citizenship just to "see doctor" and "cheap university".

inb4 "you mad?"
yes, i am actually quite pissed at these people, as they also do complain about the wait times at the family doctor.

Not gonna go into details of how I know, but if you date a Fob, bring your own condom.

Makes me wonder if being a Canadian Citizen is actually that easy.

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by SpuGen

Makes me wonder if being a Canadian Citizen is actually that easy.

Stupidly easy... unless you're someone who, you know, actually wants to go through the proper process and be a productive member of Canadian society... then it takes at least 4-5 years:
Immigration nightmare - News Hour - Videos | Global BC

[Death2Theft]

Pretty sure they are linked now, u can't apply for a transfer without the status of your current DL being suspended showing up.

Originally Posted by Marco911

They'll just drive with a DL from another country/province. Nothing the Superintendant can do about that.

[Death2Theft]

WTF charge is improperly equipped vehicle? No front plate?
But in rejecting Huang’s appeal, an adjudicator noted that Huang had two driving convictions -- for speeding and for an improperly equipped vehicle -- that resulted in driving suspensions.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by Marco911

The Superintendant is an idiot. In his role, he is supposed to act as one of the checks and balances in our legal system to ensure there isn't abuse of power by the police.

I think you need research what the Superintendent's role is, you're very confused.

Originally Posted by Marco911

You should learn how the law works. Her comments that she was driving at 115, is not the same as being charged and convicted of speeding.

You understand the concept of admission of guilt, right? Since you know the law and all...

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by ilvtofu

I'd like to see where the credibility/experience of the finger-waggers who called in was considered. Keep in mind no police officers witnessed the alleged incident on the highway

Me too.

The articles are very vague about how many called in, and how many are willing to be witnesses. Yet remember if this goes before a judge it becomes all shades of grey, as the judge's ruling becomes the law. The judge may rule that 10+ people witnessing the same event is enough to make their testimony credible, or may rule the opposite.

These people are playing games with our court system and it has the chance to make our lives worse if they lose and the ruling becomes law.

[donjalapeno]

ohhhhh myyyyyyyyyyyy why is this thread is going on

[dinosaur]

Global BC | Speeding Lamborghini sold while three seized vehicles remain in dispute

[Vale46Rossi]

Rawr!

[G-spec]

I'm not gonna talk outta my ass and pretend that I know all the details here and how everything works.
But from browsing the thread a little bit and reading this latest headline, basically they got busted racing, cops seized the vehicles sold it and kept the profit ????

I'm not gonna stand up for any of these little douchebags who took part in this, but if that's what it is, then this blows my mind, I do not understand how this seizure and sale is legal in any way, what are the laws in regards to this specifically ??
I understand the seizure, but then the sale of someone's property like that by the police ? reminds me of the "proceeds of crime" laws they got

is there more to this because from what I'm understanding if I'm caught doing 120 on let's say HWY1 and maybe passing a slower car to someone else it can look like racing they can call the cops, they pull me over seize my car and sell it ?

I know Toronto had something similar but worse few years back when they seized and crushed street racers cars, but they had to cut it out because of the public backlash. I have family over there and they tell me it's still sort of officially in effect but the police don't actually crush the cars anymore.

[ilvtofu]

Originally Posted by G-spec

I'm not gonna talk outta my ass and pretend that I know all the details here and how everything works.
But from browsing the thread a little bit and reading this latest headline, basically they got busted racing, cops seized the vehicles sold it and kept the profit ????

I'm not gonna stand up for any of these little douchebags who took part in this, but if that's what it is, then this blows my mind, I do not understand how this seizure and sale is legal in any way, what are the laws in regards to this specifically ??
I understand the seizure, but then the sale of someone's property like that by the police ? reminds me of the "proceeds of crime" laws they got

is there more to this because from what I'm understanding if I'm caught doing 120 on let's say HWY1 and maybe passing a slower car to someone else it can look like racing they can call the cops, they pull me over seize my car and sell it ?

I know Toronto had something similar but worse few years back when they seized and crushed street racers cars, but they had to cut it out because of the public backlash. I have family over there and they tell me it's still sort of officially in effect but the police don't actually crush the cars anymore.

Just to sum it up for you many people are arguing that there really isn't sufficient evidence that they were speeding, let alone racing, so far it seems like all they have was the few phone calls they got from untrained observers. The whole seizure and sale thing is just another can of worms the government decided to open. It's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty as someone has stated and the evidence provided should be proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

IMHO had it been several elderly white women behind the wheels this case would've gone very differently, the government is trying to make a statement and honestly it seems like most of the people in this city are against the drivers (most obvious are the comments people post in the vancouver sun online article etc.) Young people + expensive cars = just too easy to hate, but in the end, that type of discrimination has no place in our justice system and I sure as hell don't think any justice is being served by seizing/selling these cars until I see some cold hard evidence.

I wanna know what criminologists and lawyers are saying regarding these cases

[IMASA]

Phil Tawtel, acting executive director of B.C.’s Civil Forfeiture Office, said today that the Lamborghi was sold by mutual consent with the owner.

The driver's dad probably agreed to sell the car.