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Old 09-04-2011, 06:00 PM   #426
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I personally don't give a shit and find it slightly amusing of you people argueing.
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wow, so many people want these peoples licences revoked, jail time ect. I hope you all find yourselve in a situation where you are wrongfully accused and have the book thrown at you. Whether these guys and gal were speeding or not, there has to be proof. IF THERE IS PROOF they totally deserve what ever harsh punishment they get.

I got this exact ticket once upon a time, so did 12 other drivers I was driving with. We were also going to get food. We had a couple complaints for one reason or another and we were blanketed with the same $196 fine and 6 points. When my day in court came I didnt even get a chance to say "not guilty" The judge had me identify myself and the cop said "Id like to enter a plea of no evidence" I walked, so did everyone else. Funny enough air 1 did follow us that night, and 1 week later at a REVSCENE meet I spoke to the pilot who admited we didnt break the law beyond "minor speeding"

Again, yes they deserve punishment. But this is Canada they have to be proven guilty before that happens. Im on their side until they are proven guilty. AND if they did what they are being accused of, I hope they get what they deserve.
I'm glad you disputed and had your day in court. I'm annoyed that the crown chose to pursue charges until your day in court rather than sending you a letter indicating they would drop the ticket. Guess they were hoping you wouldn't show up and get convicted of an offense you didn't commit.
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wow, so many people want these peoples licences revoked, jail time ect. I hope you all find yourselve in a situation where you are wrongfully accused and have the book thrown at you. Whether these guys and gal were speeding or not, there has to be proof. IF THERE IS PROOF they totally deserve what ever harsh punishment they get.

I got this exact ticket once upon a time, so did 12 other drivers I was driving with. We were also going to get food. We had a couple complaints for one reason or another and we were blanketed with the same $196 fine and 6 points. When my day in court came I didnt even get a chance to say "not guilty" The judge had me identify myself and the cop said "Id like to enter a plea of no evidence" I walked, so did everyone else. Funny enough air 1 did follow us that night, and 1 week later at a REVSCENE meet I spoke to the pilot who admited we didnt break the law beyond "minor speeding"

Again, yes they deserve punishment. But this is Canada they have to be proven guilty before that happens. Im on their side until they are proven guilty. AND if they did what they are being accused of, I hope they get what they deserve.
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Agreed with everything u said. You cant just assume that because a couple people called and complained, that they were actually endangering everyone else's lives.
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+ 2 . i have better things to do then to argue how fast they were speeding and what they deserve. Let the cops deal with it. Don't you guys have lives ?
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If we were N drivers and we were given super cars with a dozen of our friends... im pretty sure we would do the exact same thing.
i would too.. just not on public roads
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At the end of the day I could really care less about whether they were racing or not. What irks me about the whole situation is the fact that the RCMP impounded vehicles with nothing more than a phone call from an irate citizen who hasen`t been laid in a while. On top of that, the media bias spin on it including fellow road racers who were interviewed at Mission on the weekend where I was road racing. Crying foul and basically calling the kids all idiots etc. etc. They are making their judgment based on the media. None of them were there, and neither was anyone on here. I was asked for an interview right after I cam off track and I declined. Mainly because I know they would have turned what I had to say into a `pro street racing` clip from a legit road (track) racer.

I don`t know about you guys but to me, the Lower Mainland and Canada in general is starting to turn into a Police State.
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It has to turn into a police state, the people there are idiots. If you own a fast car, you shouldn't be driving it anywhere in the lower mainland, or sea to sky. Too many variables that can go wrong.

I got the hell outa there when I could. Now I drive in the Rocky Mountains, and the only person I can hurt is myself, and maybe a moose/bear/deer. Also, where I live there is no aircare so I can build any type of car I want unchecked.
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you guys are forgetting that some of them are admitting to the speeds reached most notably the R8 guy
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you guys are forgetting that some of them are admitting to the speeds reached most notably the R8 guy
he only said the cars could "easily reach" 200km/h, not saying he did
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It has to turn into a police state, the people there are idiots. If you own a fast car, you shouldn't be driving it anywhere in the lower mainland, or sea to sky. Too many variables that can go wrong.

I got the hell outa there when I could. Now I drive in the Rocky Mountains, and the only person I can hurt is myself, and maybe a moose/bear/deer. Also, where I live there is no aircare so I can build any type of car I want unchecked.
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you guys are forgetting that some of them are admitting to the speeds reached most notably the R8 guy
It will be easily thrown out in court if he is the only witness. Is he trained in assesing speeds without a radar like the police? No. Same with joe public.

I constantly have people in my neighborhood wave frantically at me and motioning to slow down when I am driving home.... while doing 40k/hr. I NEVER speed anywhere near my house. The car is just loud and looks fast so they assume I'm speeding. It happens all the time.
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^ wow same here. I drive 35-40 when I get close to my neighbourhood. Because there's lots of kids around and the road is pretty bad. I still always get the signal to slow down, people yelling and stuff. Drives me crazy.
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he only said the cars could "easily reach" 200km/h, not saying he did
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"What irks me about the whole situation is the fact that the RCMP impounded vehicles with nothing more than a phone call from an irate citizen who hasen`t been laid in a while.":

Nice to know that you have that inside info. I guess that is why you have ignored earlier posts that explained what actually happened, what is involved in this kind of investigation and even the admission from some of the "non-racer/participants" who admitted what they had done.

You might also want to look this up in a law dictionary..

accessory to an offence as an abettor

That's where you take part in a crime, are actually there at the scene and help others break the law.
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With all the traffic and talk this topic has generated since this incident occurred, I guess its safe to say Matt Zhang is now up there in the books with RS Greats such as Hyde, Bradford Chow, Jeffield etc. .. He dun goofed.
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"What irks me about the whole situation is the fact that the RCMP impounded vehicles with nothing more than a phone call from an irate citizen who hasen`t been laid in a while.":

Nice to know that you have that inside info. I guess that is why you have ignored earlier posts that explained what actually happened, what is involved in this kind of investigation and even the admission from some of the "non-racer/participants" who admitted what they had done.

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That's where you take part in a crime, are actually there at the scene and help others break the law.
So... You're saying the irate citizen HAS been getting laid? Interesting...
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+ 2 . i have better things to do then to argue how fast they were speeding and what they deserve. Let the cops deal with it. Don't you guys have lives ?
it's also not likely that you are doing anything more worthwhile. I, like probably many others enjoy hearing the issues being debated with sound arguments.
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+ 2 . i have better things to do then to argue how fast they were speeding and what they deserve. Let the cops deal with it. Don't you guys have lives ?
Idiot. This is an internet forum where people discuss things. If you have nothing useful to add, STFU.
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"What irks me about the whole situation is the fact that the RCMP impounded vehicles with nothing more than a phone call from an irate citizen who hasen`t been laid in a while.":

Nice to know that you have that inside info. I guess that is why you have ignored earlier posts that explained what actually happened, what is involved in this kind of investigation and even the admission from some of the "non-racer/participants" who admitted what they had done.

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That's where you take part in a crime, are actually there at the scene and help others break the law.

Whether what I said was the case or not, that's how it is being portrayed in the media. When someone gets pulled over on 152nd in White Rock near 16th ave (note: nowhere NEAR the 99) for an alleged crime that took place on a freeway far away it makes me wonder.

And considering I've been in a similar situation before (which I posted about a few pages back) it also makes me think twice. I've been accused of street racing before thanks to a "good citizen" who was having a bad day. I know how it works. And I may add I don't street race, or ever have. I take it to the track like everyone should...
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it's also not likely that you are doing anything more worthwhile. I, like probably many others enjoy hearing the issues being debated with sound arguments.
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that's like me saying this is an internet forum where you post your thoughts/whatever is on your mind, so thus allowing me to say what i have said. you dun goof
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Not saying they weren't speeding, but it's funny how people react to certain cars. As soon as I put new wheels on my MR2 Turbo, everyone wants to race all the time... and actually just last week I downshifted to 2nd and slowed to 30km/h (I know because I looked down) to turn around a corner, and as I turned, there was a RCMP cruiser right around the corner and the female cop had her window down, and as I turned around the corner she screamed out her window at me "Slow the fuck down!"

hahahaha for real? 30km/h right turn? Just because my engine was revving a little bit because I had downshifted to a lower gear and my exhaust is aftermarket (not that loud)... even the cops do it... just make assumptions based on prejudice.
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I agree with Rogue. Licenses should be also based on displacement.

L & N Drivers ---- allowed to drive <2.0 Litres 4 Cylinders
<5 Years driving ---- up to 3.0 Litre 4 Cylinder
6-8 Years driving ---- limited up to 6 cyclinder
8+ Years driving ---- unlimited

Or some something like that...

I would love to see an Audi R8 with a VW 1.8T or a Ferrari with a Fiat 500 engine.

And traffic fines should be based on price of your car... If your driving around in a $100,000+ Car then you should pay more for your fine. eg. $15,000
If you are caught speeding in your Yugo(if you could do the speed limit) your fine would be considerable less.

The fine is to deter you from doing it again. Correct?

Sorry for the RANT... Also the L and N should be larger.

Hell I have 2 Driving teenagers(1 L and 1N) They are allowed to drive sub 2.0l cars in the garage. No way are they driving the V8s. I guess I care about them and the drivers around them. That being said maybe the 13 drivers parents don't give a shit on what their children are doing.

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So if I buy a Corolla and do 120km, I wouldn't get epicly fined.... but if I work hard and save up to afford an M3... I'll also be fined 5x as much for doing 120km.... whereas some idiot kid doing 200 on a Corolla would still be charged less than me... how does that make sense

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^This section refers to MattZhang calling Global, stating that these cars can easily exceed 200 km/h. "Although some of the drivers were racing, not all drivers were participating, and some were only following behind".

right...following behind at 200km/h?

technically what he said would make sense if he was following behind at 60km/h holding up the traffic so his friends could do 200

doesn't make him any less guilty nevertheless
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