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Old 12-29-2011, 05:43 AM   #101
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I love the WWII discussions.

Axis of Powers. Nazi Germany was supposed to have Europe, Mussolini's Italy was supposed to have Africa, and Japan was supposed to have Asia.

I remember my grand parents telling me that Japan had planned the invasion decades before. In the Philippines, my grandparent's neighborhoods had some Japanese immigrants years before the war. When the invasion started, these "neighbors" were now dressed as soldier with guns and bayonets.

My Paternal Grandmother had to marry my Grandfather at 15 years old or else she would be shipped to the Soldier Camps to be a "comfort woman". Literally, the soldiers would run a train on the women daily.

My Maternal Grandmother had to carry my oldest aunt around to show that she was a mother, or else she would be raped by the soldiers as well. Also, the locals would hide in the forests and live there to hide from the Japanese.

Good thing the Americans finally joined the war. To this day, I'm somewhat in support of the American Military industrial complex and their foreign policies to a certain extent. I'd rather have them as a superpower than Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, USSR, or present day Communist China
The U.S.A is just as bad. I'll you an example: The Vietnam war. They dropped more bombs on Vietnam then all the bombs used in the entire WW2 by all nations combined, that includes the two nukes. They used biochemical warfare which by estimates has killed 500,000 during the war and has affected over 400,000 people today in Vietnam. See Agent Orange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The heavy bombing in vietnam was an attempt to prevent ground fighting, which is obviously much worse. However it didn't work, and we all know what happened after that.
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A friend's grandmother is on the front page of Reddit, talking about her experience in WW2 in the Philippines. Her grandson is typing up her comments.

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The U.S.A is just as bad. I'll you an example: The Vietnam war. They dropped more bombs on Vietnam then all the bombs used in the entire WW2 by all nations combined, that includes the two nukes. They used biochemical warfare which by estimates has killed 500,000 during the war and has affected over 400,000 people today in Vietnam. See Agent Orange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
How can you compare USA to the Nazis, Imperial Japanese, or USSR?

USA didn't have concentration camps that mechanically killed a specific type of ppl because of who they are. They did not kill random ppl or beheaded any POW, or even take women from the streets and used them as comfort wives. Even USSR has their shit in raping German women when they entered Berlin.
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How can you compare USA to the Nazis, Imperial Japanese, or USSR?

USA didn't have concentration camps that mechanically killed a specific type of ppl because of who they are. They did not kill random ppl or beheaded any POW, or even take women from the streets and used them as comfort wives. Even USSR has their shit in raping German women when they entered Berlin.
lol c'mon man. don't be so naive.

they did kill people for who they are, vietnamese, kids women and men.
they did kill random people and kill POWs. they killed people for fun.
they did a lot of things for fun in vietnam.
there was tons of raping and pillaging done by americans in vietnam.
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How can you compare USA to the Nazis, Imperial Japanese, or USSR?

USA didn't have concentration camps that mechanically killed a specific type of ppl because of who they are. They did not kill random ppl or beheaded any POW, or even take women from the streets and used them as comfort wives. Even USSR has their shit in raping German women when they entered Berlin.
Point of view.
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Threads like these are pretty cool. I have some WW2 history from my family I could post but its not Asian so I'll refrain from doing that. Unless you guys want me to.
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Old 12-29-2011, 07:55 PM   #109
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Here's another weird one.........

Japanese American Regiment in Europe - the most highly decorated. While their families were in internment camps......

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The unit became the most highly–decorated regiment in the history of the United States armed forces, including 21 Medal of Honor recipients.

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The Japanese American regiment was considered expendable and like the many Canadian combat groups on D-Day, were sent on suicide missions.

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lol c'mon man. don't be so naive.

they did kill people for who they are, vietnamese, kids women and men.
they did kill random people and kill POWs. they killed people for fun.
they did a lot of things for fun in vietnam.
there was tons of raping and pillaging done by americans in vietnam.
Yes, I agree, Americans has done all that. Even in the recent gulf war, they had a bunch of headlines from that lesbian soldier and the naked arab guys to Guantanamo bay.

But what I was trying to say is that all those were not part of the USA political agenda. It was not an order from the government itself. Whereas, it was a political agenda for the Nazis to kill off Jews, it was part of the government decision making to provide comfort wives for the Japanese soldiers. There isn't a clean war out there.
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lol c'mon man. don't be so naive.

they did kill people for who they are, vietnamese, kids women and men.
they did kill random people and kill POWs. they killed people for fun.
they did a lot of things for fun in vietnam.
there was tons of raping and pillaging done by americans in vietnam.
You're confusing things done by Americans with things done by America
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There isn't a clean war out there.
no shit, war isn't supposed to be clean. it's war. ya know, where you fuckin kill people.

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america is just land.

the people represent the nation, this goes for all nations.
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Yes, I agree, Americans has done all that. Even in the recent gulf war, they had a bunch of headlines from that lesbian soldier and the naked arab guys to Guantanamo bay.

But what I was trying to say is that all those were not part of the USA political agenda. It was not an order from the government itself. Whereas, it was a political agenda for the Nazis to kill off Jews, it was part of the government decision making to provide comfort wives for the Japanese soldiers. There isn't a clean war out there.
Iraqi war. Vietnam war. Look up the death totals for civilians in these wars. To me there is no difference between killing 1000 people by a bomb versus sending 1000 people into a gas chamber to die. 400,000 vietnamese civilians died from Agent Orange alone. Not soldiers, civilians.
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the people represent the nation, this goes for all nations.
Umm, no.

A few Americans went crazy and took advantage of their position. Compare this to the Japanese in China and Hong Kong, who were led into RAPE BATTLE as part of their tactics of war.

Big difference.
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^it most certainly does........... mixed chicks, FTW.

Anyway, back to the war thing. Doesn't matter what country, race, religion, creed, etc., war gives people the excuse to do whatever they want. Most decent people would never think of doing those kinds of things to another human being. Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, for example........ there were a lot of people who did not agree with what was going on, but what could you do? Those two nations were caught up in a frenzy. If you spoke out against any of it, you were as good as dead, along with your family. Treason/traitor/whathaveyou. Plus, a lot of civilians were unaware of what was going on. All they heard were how well their fathers, brothers, and sons were doing - fighting for their country, blah, blah, blah........ war is evil and brings out the worst in people.

I was hoping this thread would become more than just a "who did what to who". There's more to history than just war. Vansterdamn's contribution is kind of cool, because it touches on cultures influencing/affecting other cultures.

Someone pointed out the artwork of a nation changing as it was conquered by other nations/peoples.

In Japan, there was a period of time where Chinese culture had a big impact on its people's way of life. Everything Chinese was cool and trendy. There were even cities modeled after those in China. This was not via any conquering of Japan. It was something the emperor and people in power seemed to fancy at the time. I think they termed it the "Heian" period. This was the period where Buddhism took foothold in Japan.

Also, this period is where the Japanese developed the kana (written language), spurring the literature types in Japan to flourish.
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the problem is most people don't know anything about asian history except what happened in the past 100 years, which i don't even consider history lol.

if someone has experienced it, and is still alive today, it's not even close to history yet.

if you limit the discussion to at least a few hundred years ago. or at least before 1800, then you'll filter everyone out that has no idea what they're talking about. or it will at least force them to wiki every topic brought up in this thread lol!
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After my grandparents passed away, I found a big stack of LIFE Magazines from the 1940's to the 1960's in their basement, and since I'm the photographer in the family, I got to keep them! There was a copy of the December 22, 1941 issue in the pile, and as I was reading through it, I came across this article! Can you imagine such an article being published now? Somehow, I don't think as article like, "How to tell between a Taliban terrorist and a Sikh man," will make it past the editor's desk.

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The cover. Time Magazine had an almost identical photo a week after 9/11.


The article. Remember, this is just after the Pearl Harbour attack.


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Those were the times man... You do see similar things, but not from 'mainstream' media as much

I'd love to dig through those magazines just for the ads!
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