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09-10-2012, 02:38 PM
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#126 | | Where's my RS Christmas Lobster?!
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Originally Posted by freakshow  There are lots of things that are societal, but we still do them. Being societal doesn't automatically mean unnecessary. Driving for example is very different in other countries, but that doesn't mean that I should drive as if I'm in Italy when I'm in BC, even if it's legal.
You can't compare Canada or the US to Japan because the wages are built around the assumed percentage of tip; whether you agree with that or not is a different story.
In the US, at least when I lived there, there was a separate minimum wage paid to servers because tips are the norm and are part of the workers calculated wage. So you can't just cheap out on tipping because they don't tip half way around the world, grow some perspective.
Should tipping be abolished? Yeah, I would love to see that, but wages would have to be adjusted as well.
If the service is crap, sure, don't tip, but to go on a personal non-tipping or low-tipping crusade because they 'dont tip in Japan' is just stupid. I'm not saying you need to tip 20% everywhere you go, but like many other societal things, if you don't like tipping, move elsewhere. | If we are comparing to the US then I will say yes tipping is mandatory because they get stiffed harsh on the minimum wage difference.
But Canada as long as they do not serve alcohol they get payed the regular min wage, so your argument is only valid for those serving alcohol. Mcdonalds get paid min with no tips, so if Moxie's does the same then no one would want to work there, which forces them to pay the servers more which will entice more workers and allow businesses to be more picky about who they hire, and provide better training than they do now. Servers then dont have to rely on customers for their extra money because the employers would have given them a better hourly wage because if they didnt they may as well be working at mcdonalds. Servers not relying on customers for tips is very important IMO because my gf is a server and I know she gives good service, if anything and at worse it is average, and yet there are the odd customers that stiff her on tips which is a load of BS for the server. Tips should be abolished...
I would love to fight for a no tip movement and that movement will only work if everyone gets paid min regardless of alcohol or not.
If we had a giant community I would definitely join the no tip movement. If I do order alcohol I will tip a buck a drink, but for food hell no.
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09-10-2012, 03:25 PM
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#127 | | I STILL don't get it
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Originally Posted by Noir I don't think so. I've never heard of highly (or adequately) paid waitresses there or delivery guys. Sure it's more expensive to eat out in Tokyo, but that's not because their waitresses, cooks, bus boys and restaurant hosts are all highly paid; I assume it's just in general the cost of operation, ie rent, hydro, etc are all much higher than here.
Why I think despite having superior service they REFUSE (and I mean it, give them a tip and they will refuse it) the culture of tipping... see my response to Graeme below.
See that's the thing though. I wouldn't even want to tip even in that context. Serving you with a smile, generally asking once in a while if there's anything else she can get for you, bringing your food in a timely manner, that's all their job description.
That means that when I'm paying $10 - $20 per dish, that's exactly what I expect of them. I don't get paid extra at my work because I do exactly as my superiors or clients expect of me.
Taking your example in mind, by going above and beyond a waitress' duties and expectations is probably like... giving me a foot massage or singing with a mariachi band by my table. Yeah, I'd probably give her another $5 - $10 (if she's hot).
The thing is, before it becomes an argument of who's ballin and who's a cheapskate, it's not about being ballin' anymore. It's just about being smart with your money - and knowing where each dollar in your bank account goes to; and in this economical climate and standard living costs in the GVRD, you kinda almost have to be smart (or mindful) of every dollar you have.
It's about valuating your money and the goods and services you expect in exchange for it. It's about determining what's expected, and what's above-and-beyond.
Yes, stereotypically we view rich guys as flaunters, but in reality, there's a reason why rich guys CAN be your biggest cheapskates. <-- seriously, no jokes. | If you feel tipping at a restaurant for above and beyond service is inappropriate then do you also feel year end bonuses at a financial institution for a job well done is equally inappropriate? What about commission based pay? Why should the Best Buy guy try so hard to sell the $200 printer when the $20 printer is suffice. Mortgage brokers? Car salesman? Why should the guy who has the highest sales of his colleagues be rewarded extra? He is just doing his job.
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09-10-2012, 03:44 PM
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#128 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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I think waitresses and waiters are the only people out there that complain about their wage who dont even require a High School Diploma
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09-10-2012, 03:46 PM
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#129 | | Where's my RS Christmas Lobster?!
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above and beyond i will tip even in a non tipping culture, but it really has to be above and beyond, and i think most of the argument here is based on the fact that we and most establishments have the idea that a 10% is minimum.
All the examples you listed the difference is that the extra cash money is paid by the company as a "damn you did good, heres your bonus/commission" which would not be necessary in a restaurant business, but if we were a non tipping culture a restaurant can have one bonus go to one stellar server as a sort of competition within the company.
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09-10-2012, 03:53 PM
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#130 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
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Originally Posted by Shades If you feel tipping at a restaurant for above and beyond service is inappropriate then do you also feel year end bonuses at a financial institution for a job well done is equally inappropriate? What about commission based pay? Why should the Best Buy guy try so hard to sell the $200 printer when the $20 printer is suffice. Mortgage brokers? Car salesman? Why should the guy who has the highest sales of his colleagues be rewarded extra? He is just doing his job. | Because sales people in Best Buy, dealerships etc. are NOT guaranteed a sale. When a customer sits down at a restaurant, the server already guaranteed themselves a sale without doing a bloody thing.
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09-10-2012, 04:13 PM
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#131 | | I *heart* Revscene.net very Muchie
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Originally Posted by Shades If you feel tipping at a restaurant for above and beyond service is inappropriate then do you also feel year end bonuses at a financial institution for a job well done is equally inappropriate? What about commission based pay? Why should the Best Buy guy try so hard to sell the $200 printer when the $20 printer is suffice. Mortgage brokers? Car salesman? Why should the guy who has the highest sales of his colleagues be rewarded extra? He is just doing his job. | One is the company paying the employee, the other is a member of the public paying the employee.
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09-10-2012, 04:47 PM
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#132 | | Diagonally parked in a parallel universe
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Originally Posted by Shades What about commission based pay? Why should the Best Buy guy try so hard to sell the $200 printer when the $20 printer is suffice. Mortgage brokers? Car salesman? Why should the guy who has the highest sales of his colleagues be rewarded extra? He is just doing his job. | Your treating "commission" and "tips" as the same thing. They are both completely different. And when you purchase said printer from the salesman @ Best Buy do you tip him after as well? Highly doubt it.
If a server gives me the "above & beyond" treatment then i'm always very generous with my tips. But let's not treat a tip as a commission.
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09-10-2012, 05:36 PM
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#133 | | Hypa owned my ass at least once
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Originally Posted by westopher Its total sales. If it was based on tips there would be a lot of lying by lots of people. In the end, servers don't make much more than cooks if at all, but they do it in less time. My tips end up being 4-500 extra bucks a month which is nothing compared to servers, but I also get a real pay check. There are a lot of dumb servers out there, but those aren't the ones taking home good money (unless they are a 10), the servers that work their asses off and actually work real shifts are the ones that can make a living off of it. | No wonder you're so pro-tipping.
That measly $4-$500 bucks you're complaining about is already making rent for a lot of the students here in the lower mainland just on tips alone; or somebody's brand new car payments.
And what exactly is that extra $4-$500 bonus EVERY month? for doing your job exactly as you're required to? Quote:
Originally Posted by westopher There are some cheap bastards on RS. I can understand low/no tips if the service is shit, and for takeout, but if you have that big of a problem with tipping, you should stay home to eat. | Thanks for calling us cheap bastards. It's that fake graciousness when we tip is the reason why we're mostly anti-tipping; because when we DO tip, you're not really saying "thank you," we all know you're thinking "you better do!" Quote:
Originally Posted by freakshow There are lots of things that are societal, but we still do them. Being societal doesn't automatically mean unnecessary. Driving for example is very different in other countries, but that doesn't mean that I should drive as if I'm in Italy when I'm in BC, even if it's legal.
You can't compare Canada or the US to Japan because the wages are built around the assumed percentage of tip; whether you agree with that or not is a different story.
In the US, at least when I lived there, there was a separate minimum wage paid to servers because tips are the norm and are part of the workers calculated wage. So you can't just cheap out on tipping because they don't tip half way around the world, grow some perspective.
Should tipping be abolished? Yeah, I would love to see that, but wages would have to be adjusted as well.
If the service is crap, sure, don't tip, but to go on a personal non-tipping or low-tipping crusade because they 'dont tip in Japan' is just stupid. I'm not saying you need to tip 20% everywhere you go, but like many other societal things, if you don't like tipping, move elsewhere. |
Uh, yes they can be compared. To think that the whole "service industry's" economical equilibrium hinges crucially on the tipping element to support is OUTRIGHTLY stupid.
One thing I've noticed in the many threads I've observed through out the years, is that you servers really have a habit of exaggerating your position.
1) we have a difficult job.
2) we make so little money.
3) if you don't tip us servers, you're food will get priced out and the food and service industry will collapse.  | |
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09-10-2012, 05:46 PM
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#134 | | Hypa owned my ass at least once
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Originally Posted by z3german If we are comparing to the US then I will say yes tipping is mandatory because they get stiffed harsh on the minimum wage difference.
But Canada as long as they do not serve alcohol they get payed the regular min wage, so your argument is only valid for those serving alcohol. Mcdonalds get paid min with no tips, so if Moxie's does the same then no one would want to work there, which forces them to pay the servers more which will entice more workers and allow businesses to be more picky about who they hire, and provide better training than they do now. Servers then dont have to rely on customers for their extra money because the employers would have given them a better hourly wage because if they didnt they may as well be working at mcdonalds. Servers not relying on customers for tips is very important IMO because my gf is a server and I know she gives good service, if anything and at worse it is average, and yet there are the odd customers that stiff her on tips which is a load of BS for the server. Tips should be abolished...
I would love to fight for a no tip movement and that movement will only work if everyone gets paid min regardless of alcohol or not.
If we had a giant community I would definitely join the no tip movement. If I do order alcohol I will tip a buck a drink, but for food hell no. |
I too would love a no-tip movement and agree with the idea that tips should be reflected on the price of the goods & services being purchased. But then, if you think about it, that's exactly why we have different levels of restaurants.
If you don't care much about your food, and require little-to-no service, that's why we have fast food joints.
If you want a little better food quality and a little service, that's why you pay more and have restaurants that cater to the $15 - $25 range.
Then of course there's restaurants that are around $30 - $50 per dish, and then there's the $50 - $100.
I believe that in the current system we have, the more you pay your meal, the return for quality and customer service should already be a given.
Tips really just is an unneccessary gouge on your pocket. Like what the fuck? am I tipping you in addition to the exhorbitant prices just so you don't spit in my food? That's the extra 10% - 20%?
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09-10-2012, 10:33 PM
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#135 | | Willing to sell a family member for a few minutes on RS
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Noir nowhere did I complain about my tips. It not near what a sever makes. I didn't say it sucks. I'm plenty happy with the extra money, you are twisting words to make me seem like I'm crying woe is me. 2 is less than 4, that's not a complaint that 2 is low, it's math.
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09-10-2012, 10:36 PM
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I usually tip 10 to 15% in restaurants but not for take out. Lol if we have to tip on take out then we should tip on fast food too then....
I also tip when I get my hair cut. The cut my hair nice and made it look.
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09-10-2012, 11:32 PM
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#137 | | Rs has made me the man i am today!
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The thing that annoys me is that servers EXPECT to be tipped....they try to work hard to give you good service for the sole purpose of getting a good tip....That shit is so fake.
I do my job to the best of my ability, am completely honest with my customers, and go above and beyond to help my customers. Why? I don't get a tip from them at the end of the day....so why do I do it? Because I genuinely give 2 shits about my customers and providing them with my advanced knowledge and the best service I possibly can.
And just for a little side note, I actually have been offered tips - incredible amounts actually, because my customers do see that I genuinely care....I've gone as far as to losing sales for the company I work for in order to give customers proper information, and thus sometimes telling them that they should look in a different direction than with the company I work for....but despite being offered anywhere from $5-$100 in a tip, I have always refused tips and explain to my customers that I am simply doing my job - I don't work for tips.
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09-11-2012, 05:42 AM
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#138 | | Where's my RS Christmas Lobster?!
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I was having this discussion with my gf, who is a server, yesterday.
It is weird, you really need to say that in every other industry there are people who do their work to the best of their ability without expectation of tip, for other servers to understand that point. I am guessing that it is clouded by their already ongoing expectation of tips. But is it being bias to think it is the logical, and correct way of thought, as most of us are not servers. But I still feel that it is logical and correct, I was a server before so thats my justification.
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09-12-2012, 07:53 PM
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#139 | | I answer every Emotion with an emoticon
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Mandatory tipping is insane. If everyone stopped tipping, I'm sure the industry would adapt just fine. I had a great time in Europe this summer, things ran smoothly without tipping.
I tip really well, but I'd rather not.
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09-12-2012, 08:29 PM
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#140 | | I *Fwap* *Fwap* *Fwap* to RS
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There was one time, i put my debit card in the machine, and there was no option for no tipping: was either 10,20,30, or 40% tip.
Also, there is a clear line between someone who DESERVES the tip, and has worked genuinely hard to give you great service, and the ones who just do "good enough".
Thanks for the insight.. you guys offer some awesome advice and will make me think twice about tipping because of guilt next time...
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09-12-2012, 08:34 PM
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In those situations, if you press 'correct' (the delete key) then you'll usually find it just skips you past that thing. It's one of those unwritten things, like pressing zero (sometimes several times) to directly get an agent when you call and get an automated service.
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09-12-2012, 08:58 PM
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Just went and picked up some food. Didn't tip for the first time, felt weird, but whatever. Came time to open the box and there was no condiments! And I wasn't even asked if I wanted any.
Guess I'm happy I didn't leave a tip
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09-12-2012, 10:11 PM
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#143 | | Rs has made me the man i am today!
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Originally Posted by BIG Just went and picked up some food. Didn't tip for the first time, felt weird, but whatever. Came time to open the box and there was no condiments! And I wasn't even asked if I wanted any.
Guess I'm happy I didn't leave a tip | They did it on purpose because they knew you weren't going to....That'll teach you.
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09-12-2012, 11:31 PM
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#144 | | I bringith the lowerballerith
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For take outs, it is the same as a mcdonalds drive thru to me. I really dont see any difference and the need for a tip.
Also tipping based on percentage is just fucked up. because i ordered a lobster instead of a trout, im supposed to pay more to my server? lol.
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09-13-2012, 07:41 AM
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#145 | | Revscene.net has a homepage?!
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this thread makes me 
I aint fuckin tipping no one ever again
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09-13-2012, 11:52 AM
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#146 | | HELP ME PLS!!!
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I only do the 10%-15% when I dine in. For take out, I don't tip.
When I worked as a server, I didn't expect people to tip for take out anyway.
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09-13-2012, 12:28 PM
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Fuck mandatory tipping. If that ever happened I could see service go right in the shitter.
I tip when I get good service. Better the service, better the tip your going to receive.
I've tipped 10 cents before just to prove that the service was shit and that's what you deserved.
I work hard and I'm not about to give a tip to shitty service just "because."
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09-13-2012, 12:34 PM
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#148 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
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Originally Posted by melloman Fuck mandatory tipping. If that ever happened I could see service go right in the shitter. | If you're eating in Richmond, you get that already  | |
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09-13-2012, 04:00 PM
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#149 | | I STILL don't get it
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15-20% dine in depending on food&service quality
5% pickup at a place I haven't been to
10% pickup at a place I like
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09-16-2012, 11:24 PM
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#150 | | Revscene.net has a homepage?!
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When you guys do tip, do you calculate percentage on the before tax amount of after tax amount?
I think it should be on the before tax amount.
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