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^not everyone walks everywhere, your not gonna pull over to the side of a road and say to a random person "hey what does that say? is it good?" "if you don't want to live in a city immersed in chinese culture, move away from Richmond" yeah that's real multiculturalism right there. you shouldn't have to move anywhere, like people have said before, this isn't china, its canada. there should be some good visible English written on signs. it shouldn't be that those who have been here all there lives now have to learn a new language just to stay where they have been before. thats not what multiculturalism is. to truly live in a diverse society we need to accommodate everyone, not just one society. If i moved to china (im brown btw but been here since 9months old) and so did thousands of others, we all move to beijing and basically turn a good section of it into an indian society and only indian language was written/spoken, and i said "if you dont like it, move somewhere else"; even though others have been there way before me. how would that make them feel? to be told to move elsewhere. people making it sound so easy to move or say to learn a new language. its not that easy. i have taken the effort to learn certain words and understanding basic sentences, so why can't the owners/workers of the stores do the same? when i went to beijing to visit a friend, people that i have met, or restaurants that i have been to, made every effort to attempt to communicate with me, honestly i was flattered that they tried, because over here its not the same. |
I don't know about you...but if the business was smart they would at least have English in their sign somewhere. Y'know, so us non-chinese speaking people can possibly shop there.... If not, no big deal. But it seems silly not to have it imo. |
at first I was going to say if they didn't want to learn English they shouldn't come to Canada in the first place but after thinking about it why should it bother me. Like everyone else said if they stores wanted my business they would put up some English signs and learn the language. I have some Asian friends so if I want to go to a Asian restaurant with no English in the signs then I just go with them, it is a good excuse to just hang out. Having all Asian signs really doesn't matter as long as all the English ones don't disappear too. |
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So, again, basically you want to tell people how to advertise, and you are upset that the stores don't cater to YOU and YOUR needs and therefore we should enact laws so that they begin to CATER TO YOU. The simple fact is they aren't marketing towards you. Just like a TV ad that advertises in "tech lingo" doesn't market to your grandma, those business don't find it worthwhile to put up a sign where it get's YOUR attention. Are we still living in Canada? They are a private business - they should cater to whoever they want. Quote:
To become a Canadian citizen you do need to learn basic English. That's one of the requirements. But that's as far as the imposition the government goes - because the government depends on immigration, and the government wants Chinese people and their money to come to Canada. I can understand that people like you wouldn't want to be called xenophobic, and I would even agree because in your mind you guys genuinely don't feel that way. But I would relate to how you guys are feeling more like how old people don't like new technology - The world is changing around them, kids nowadays using twitter and facebook, streaming videos off youtube at 1080p and everything's moving too fast but you rather use internet explorer with a yahoo searchbar. Learning to adapt is off the table because you wouldn't want to learn a little bit of Chinese, even though it would probably benefit you greatly if you do. It would make your life better! Easier! It would allow you to interact with more of your peers! You would be able to communicate better with your neighbors! And ONLY because you live in Richmond. That's Canada man. That's what democracy and majority rules means. It means that when the majority of the people agree on some things, people should respect that. Not "how things use to be." You rather force them to put up English signs. You "LIVE IN CANADA". But ... You live in Richmond/Vancouver. The sub-culture here is just different. The government should cater to the masses - not the other way around. Basic English is not going to get anyone to understand about the HST. If you want everyone to understand then you need Chinese, Punjabi, and whatever language the majority of your constituents speak. That's just a fact of the times. You say you want people to get involved in the culture - This IS the next step of (this area of) Canadian culture. |
3 Attachment(s) All these comments about not having english on their signs is bad for business because they can't attract people who only know english is not valid because most of these signs do have english. Secondly, it would be like telling the owner of The Keg, McDonalds etc that they are losing asian customers because they don't have Chinese on their signs. Just take a walk around granville, would you know what The Roxy, Caprice was? This is Robson below. What is a Geomania, Samsonite, DHL even suppose to be selling? Quote:
Also below is one of the sign board in Union Square which seem to be more descriptive than most unilingual signs. |
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For now you can just take a spin in google maps around HK (outside the white areas like central). TST, Mong Kok, Tsuen Wan, Kwun Tong, etc, etc, etc. Go to any mall, look at bus stop ads, taxi ads, billboards, etc. Or look at any random village in new territories.... Every store sign and ad will be in Chinese with English below it. About 1-5% of the time you'll see a building or a very traditional store with the name written traditionally right to left, with no English name prominently displayed. |
Using the argument that having Chinese only sign is bad for business is irrelevant Activists are pissed not because they are concerned that the chinese can't do white buisness. They are pissed because they have to see chinese words on the sign and its annoying them, end of story. they can't relate to it, so it scares them. so they try to use culture harmony as an excuse to get rid of it. |
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The comparison you've made is deeply flawed. I do not live in Richmond, nor do Lomac or 4444. I would make no use of mandarin or cantonese outside of occasional visits to Richmond, which are infrequent do to my difficulty communicating at some businesses. My avoidance of Richmond is an example of the language barrier creating ethnic segregation. I define a basic understanding of english as enough to understand public policy, communicate with a police officer, communicate with a doctor or nurse. My Oma and Opa (Dutch emigrants) only ever spoke basic english, to the extent that they often reverted to Dutch in english conversation, but were able to involve themselves in public policy discussions. This isn't the next step in Canadian culture, this is Richmond culture. Quote:
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$_$ you're welcome to respond to my post when its complete, but responding to 1.5 of my sentences doesn't progress the discussion. |
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And I feel like all of these are non-issues especially with the recent policy planning - Second and Third generation Canadians will revert back to speaking mostly English anyways. |
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Whether there is "unrealized demand" or not is not up to you to decide, only the business operator can determine that. Also, the "niche," target market is the more appropriate term, is also determined by the entrepreneur, not the masses. Not even super generic businesses like Wallmart or McDonalds tries to appeal to everyone. Do you think these companies try appeal to people who drive Bentleys? Of course not, that would be a complete waste of resources. This would be an example of what you refer to as "shitty business." Just because a business owner does not include you (or the unwashed masses) to be part of his target audience does not make him/her a "shitty business person." Anyone who has started his own company or runs a reasonably profitable one can tell you that there are thousands of factors that affect one's business in any given moment. You seem to think that all businesses want to be as big as possible and to appeal to as a wide audience as possible which in reality is just not the case. Take Kyle Bass the hedge fund manager for example. To be considered a client you first must commit at least $5 million to his fund, and this is just one of the prerequisites of becoming a client. The website for his firm only has a phone number and contact email and little else. According to your logic, Mr. Bass and his team would qualify as "shitty business people" even though he is one of the most respected and successful hedge fund managers today. Every real-world entrepreneur (as opposed to e-entrepreneurs who have no real experience whatsoever) has his own target audience in mind and has his own philosophy of how best to run his business and the only person who can credibly know whether he is successful (or not) is the business owner himself. Ralph Waldo Emerson once wrote, "What you do speaks so loudly I cannot hear what you say." If you think so and so runs a "shitty business" and you can do better, then why not just do it and make a shitload of money? Otherwise, you've just proven to yourself that all you really know is how to talk out of your ass. :badpokerface: |
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Fail me for this, but, if I were to have a store where that ginsing store is, and I called it "Whites Only", specializing in white linens and towels from all over the world, and all my staff spoke French only. Would you be telling me to change my name? How I advertise? How my employees deal with the non French speaking people? I'm sure a lot of people would find it discriminating to one race only, interpret it as racist, and raise shit over how it's only French in there. Sure the employees can speak fluent english, but they don't even make the effort into attempting to communicate with you. Would you tell me then how I can and can't advertise? Posted via RS Mobile |
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take USA for example, majority of immigrants are of Spanish decent, but its english first and spanish second. there are still spanish tv stations, spanish papers, spanish radio. but when it comes to the GENERAL POPULATION AS A WHOLE its english first, spanish second. how about immigrants learn to adapt and speak a little english, isn't that how its suppose to be? if you don't like it, then you can move. |
Canada has two official Languages: English and French. Signs should be at least in one of those languages. Want to have a Chinese sign? Sure, go right ahead. Have an English caption below it. Why is that so hard for people to understand? It's not fucking China, it's fucking Canada. Deal with it. It always drove me insane when I went to Richmond and saw all those signs in a language I can't understand. You shouldn't have to know Chinese to conduct business is Richmond. That is absurd, completely insane. And cultural sensibility my ass. You go to the Brazilian supermarkets and restaurants in Toronto and other places, and everything is in Portuguese/English, at the very least, and sometimes in Portuguese/English/French. I see this kind of thing as a total lack of respect for the country you chose to live in. I'm Brazilian, I don't expect people to know Portuguese. Why do people think it should be different for them? |
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If the same went for China, any "white town" would have Chinese speaking white folk, it's not my problem if they do not require fluent Chinese speech in order to immigrate. You don't move to a foreign country without learning it's primary language, ignoring such a basic step is stupid. Notice how I didn't mention abandoning your native language. |
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This is an interesting perspective because Brazil has a significant Asian population and they've made the choice to integrate and speak what you people think passes for Portuguese. They didn't have to but they certainly made the effort to. I wonder why Canada is seen differently. |
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Edit: Also, it appears that people like the Brazilian cultural identity and want to be a part of it. |
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