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Old 03-18-2014, 12:53 AM   #76
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There are more pressing issues to deal with such as poverty and drug addiction. Whether or not your feelings are hurt because you cannot read a sign is at the bottom of the list.

Also, should asian newspapers such as Ming Pao be writing all their articles in English so you can learn about Hong Kong celebrity gossip? Should they print all their advertisements in english as well?
You mean little by little, being unable to read, identify, and communicate the public signs and communique in your own home country is not a valid issue?

Honestly, I can see why she's racist, and as embarrassing as it is to admit, I don't blame her. We (or our parents) are just immigrants to Canada, and we have Canadian individuals who are starting to feel foreign in their own home country.

And instead of accomodating to them like they accomodate us, or even just give an acknowledgement of their concern, they get sneered at by the very same minorities they accommodated for, in the first place. I mean, just look at the majority sentiment in this thread alone.


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but ya i agree, if they don't choose to advertise in English then it's their loss or they're just targeting that audience. no harm done.
i can see the frustration in seeing something in public that you can't read, but that's part of being in a multicultural society. maybe take some Chinese lessons? opportunity to learn something new!
It's funny because back in the 90's that was just a joke around Richmond. Fast forward to now, I find it interesting to observe that people are actually saying this as a response to likes of Kerry Starchuk; to learn Chinese.










BTW,

If this public ad is really about seeking help for gambling addictions (I don't know because I don't read Chinese), isn't this ad alienating caucasian gambling addicts? I mean, it's one thing to call Starchuk racist but to underhandedly cater Chinese-only service, that's equally, if not more racist than Starchuk's plea to have English inclusion in Chinese-only public communique.
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If this public ad is really about seeking help for gambling addictions (I don't know because I don't read Chinese), isn't this ad alienating caucasian gambling addicts? I mean, it's one thing to call Starchuk racist but to underhandedly cater Chinese-only service, that's equally, if not more racist than Starchuk's plea to have English inclusion in Chinese-only public communique.
Every Casino and lotto ticket has the gambling support line number on it. It's even on the 6/49 selection slips. By not having this ad are you not discriminating against people that don't speak English?

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^^ i said all that already on the last page, noir just isn't reading the thread.
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I might be wrong, but this is a fairly stupid thing to get upset about. There are English-language bus shelter ads for problem gambling throughout Metro, and you can find the phone number on the back of lottery tickets, in casinos, and at the bottom of most BCLC advertising.

In fact, it's a smart idea, because gambling is popular among traditionally minded or older Chinese who often struggle with English. Dictating that media must be in XYZ language is getting dangerously close to the Quebec way of handling things.

I'd like to hear from others whether I'm being unreasonable when I say this.
To me it's a thing of respect to the country and people you live in/with.

Canada, until the laws are changed has 2 official languages, English and French. I believe the laws state u can have non English and French signage up to 50% in size, so do English (or French) and mandarin/Cantonese (sorry I don't know which it is) signage to meet both requirements to appease law and appease the target market.

These comments are not based on my personal feelings, but on law.

My personal feelings are based on analogy. I recently moved to a non-English speaking European country with many, many English speaking expats. I immediately joined a local language class and have no expectation of signs being in English.

I'll let people make their own conclusions
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You tell if ever in history when a bunch of white people have gone to a another country and tried to force to local population to learn English and become Christian. That's never happened.
um... that's pretty much how north america was founded... I don't think english was the native language of native indians..
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um... that's pretty much how north america was founded... I don't think english was the native language of native indians..

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Every Casino and lotto ticket has the gambling support line number on it. It's even on the 6/49 selection slips. By not having this ad are you not discriminating against people that don't speak English?

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IMO, usage of the country's official language is meeting the expected minimum standard of communication. Anything in addition to that is in the realm of "accommodation", not "discrimination".
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IMO, usage of the country's official language is meeting the expected minimum standard of communication. Anything in addition to that is in the realm of "accommodation", not "discrimination".
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you need to stop. lol you are repeating the same shit over and over.

just like there are standards of whats acceptable to put in ads on tv, there should be standards to at least acknowledged the English language as it is the main language. you sound far to entitled.
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you need to stop. lol you are repeating the same shit over and over.

just like there are standards of whats acceptable to put in ads on tv, there should be standards to at least acknowledged the English language as it is the main language. you sound far to entitled.
There are no standards on what language a TV ad can be in.
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did i say what language? i said standards.. you cant have some guy raping a kid on a tv ad. even with "freedom of speech"

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Why cant people who move to a new country learn their language/culture... its called respect.... Its ok to have communities, but if you dont openly share/invite it with people who arent from that culture, thats just disrespectful, at least thats what I think.
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did i say what language? i said standards.. you cant have some guy raping a kid on a tv ad. even with "freedom of speech"

now go away. you are no longer adding to this topic
How is raping a kid on a TV ad the same as a ad in a different language?
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How is raping a kid on a TV ad the same as a ad in a different language?
cuz i said "standards" as in rules.. an extreme case of course. but rules non the less.. i didnt compare them to be equal. i see that you like arguing. but you are grasping as anything you can.
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cuz i said "standards" as in rules.. an extreme case of course. but rules non the less.. i didnt compare them to be equal. i see that you like arguing. but you are grasping as anything you can.
Last I heard, Fairchild TV is in all Chinese. There goes your language standards argument. If you feel there should be a language standard for ads, run for office. Make a referendum. Otherwise just walk by the ad without feeling the need to feel like the kid in school who nobody wants to play with. There's so much insecurity in this thread that I wonder how you function in life when people don't want to be your friend.


This argument is honestly really getting old and boring. Simple solution to this problem is to let any who wants to complain pay for translation of ads that were paid for by the company who posted them. If you really care for it then pay them to change it. I'm sure they'll be happy to post you a translation since it'll get them more exposure.
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you having troubles reading? i didnt say language standards.. i just said standards. im aware certain channels are designated to certain languages

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I just fixed this problem by moving out of Richmond.

Was kind of funny when one of my Co-Workers (who immigrated here from China 4 years ago) told me why he decided to move to Victoria after living a year in Vancouver: "Because my daughter would never have learned english in Vancouver"
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you having troubles reading? i didnt say language standards.. i just said standards. im aware certain channels are designated to certain languages

It's not about a designation it's about the money. You give a channel enough money they will broadcast in any language you want.
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you having troubles reading? i didnt say language standards.. i just said standards. im aware certain channels are designated to certain languages

You're saying English should be acknowledged. How do you acknowledge English in a foreign specialty channel? You're making ridiculous demands then not paying the cost so that you can feel special.

So are you going to force tourists to speak English so that you feel acknowledged? Do you feel left out that they can't communicate in English? Is there the Chinese sign monster that makes you cry at night because you can't read it?

Honestly, if you spent half the time worrying about this doing something productive, you'd be a happier person.
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where? i cant find the post that i said English needs to be in a foreign specialty channel.. i said "just like there are standards of whats acceptable to put in ads on tv" that wasnt even a reference to language at all.. i said "there are standards" nothing to do with language. Richmond isnt a Chinese (referring to race not language) specified city regardless of the Chinese population there. so to turn it into something thats not welcoming to everyone else is a problem.

and again. a channel is something someone chooses to watch, a city isnt something someone should avoid because foreigners dont give a shit about the English language. the less acceptable it is for Richmond to become China the more they will assimilate and Richmond wont be so foreign to the rest of everyone that lives in the lower mainland.
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Last I heard, Fairchild TV is in all Chinese. There goes your language standards argument. If you feel there should be a language standard for ads, run for office. Make a referendum. Otherwise just walk by the ad without feeling the need to feel like the kid in school who nobody wants to play with. There's so much insecurity in this thread that I wonder how you function in life when people don't want to be your friend.
The difference between TV and this topic is that I can choose not to view said Channel, or not purchase said "specialty network". Not the same can be said for public signage; And if you've followed the problem historically within Richmond, this issue is not just isolated to Bus Stop Ads.

The issue is, it's permeating. It used to be just restaurant signs; then came bus ads, then bus stop ads, then whatever the hell is next in line.

If we're gonna do an apples to apples comparison using your example, imagine the uproar if one by one, each channel in your standard cable is becoming becoming primarily Chinese?


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This argument is honestly really getting old and boring. Simple solution to this problem is to let any who wants to complain pay for translation of ads that were paid for by the company who posted them. If you really care for it then pay them to change it. I'm sure they'll be happy to post you a translation since it'll get them more exposure.
The argument is getting old and boring because it's not you that's feeling alienated. Though I do agree with the second half of this post though; but on a different context.

I think we should remove alternate languages for Motor Vehicle Licensing testing. And if immigrants really care for it, then either, learn the host language, or pay for their own translation. I'm sure the Chinese community would not mind one single bit.



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You're saying English should be acknowledged. How do you acknowledge English in a foreign specialty channel? You're making ridiculous demands then not paying the cost so that you can feel special.

So are you going to force tourists to speak English so that you feel acknowledged? Do you feel left out that they can't communicate in English? Is there the Chinese sign monster that makes you cry at night because you can't read it?

Honestly, if you spent half the time worrying about this doing something productive, you'd be a happier person.
What the heck do tourists have to do with this?

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The difference between TV and this topic is that I can choose not to view said Channel, or not purchase said "specialty network". Not the same can be said for public signage; And if you've followed the problem historically within Richmond, this issue is not just isolated to Bus Stop Ads.

The issue is, it's permeating. It used to be just restaurant signs; then came bus ads, then bus stop ads, then whatever the hell is next in line.

If we're gonna do an apples to apples comparison using your example, imagine the uproar if one by one, each channel in your standard cable is becoming becoming primarily Chinese?




The argument is getting old and boring because it's not you that's feeling alienated. Though I do agree with the second half of this post though; but on a different context.

I think we should remove alternate languages for Motor Vehicle Licensing testing. And if immigrants really care for it, then either, learn the host language, or pay for their own translation. I'm sure the Chinese community would not mind one single bit.


Great way to hurt the economy and alienate voters by forcing English and French only tests for a learners. FYI you don't have to be able to read English to be able to drive.

Ever see those teach English abroad ads in the paper? Guess what they don't care if you can speak their language and they will even give you a drivers licence too without speaking their language. All this talk about they should learn English before they come to Canada is B.S. Lots of Canadians including at least one RS member are teaching abroad without being fluent in that countries main language.


If cable goes all Chinese it's because that's what the market wants and we live in a free market society. Do you think I like shows like Honey Boo Boo and the desperate housewives? No but it's there right to produce all these crappy reality shows.
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Just curious, and not to pick a side or anything, but how many people in this thread have ever lived in a different country (outside of Canada) after the age of 18?
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Just curious, and not to pick a side or anything, but how many people in this thread have ever lived in a different country (outside of Canada) after the age of 18?
Is 18 the cut off where people think they are too old to learn something new?

To answer your question no I haven't, but let me ask you one as well. Would you have no desire to learn the language of the country you plan to spend your life in, regardless of age?

If I moved somewhere new and all I did was live in a part of the city where they speak English, I'd feel like I'm cheating myself and missing out on what this new place has to offer. I honestly do believe anyone who moves somewhere and just coasts along trying to get by on their old habits is just lazy and ignorant.

I'd be embarrassed at myself, which is how I feel for immigrants who have been here for years and still don't speak a lick of English.
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