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Old 11-14-2015, 03:25 AM   #76
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This. I've said it once in a previous thread, and I'll say it again here. Canada, as a country, should help their own people before opening the doors and letting a flood of refugees in. All of these bleeding-heart refugee advocates need to take a walk down the Downtown East Side and understand that there are plenty of people in Canada who are suffering from addiction, poverty, hunger, mental illness, and abuse who, IMO, should take priority over the citizens of another country (especially when these same citizens pose great security risks). How, exactly, is Canada supposed to fund the housing and social programs for these refugees when there are so many people within our borders who clearly don't get the help they need?

Plus, the average DTES transient is not likely to scream "Allah Akbar!" and bomb a public place. Not that I am saying ALL Muslims are evil, but as an atheist I believe that all religions, when taken to the point of extreme fanaticism, have the capacity for great evil. It certainly doesn't help that the vast majority of "terror" attacks that have occurred lately are perpetrated by people who believe themselves to be Muslim. Couple this with the undeniable fact that the West is directly responsible for the evil that is currently occurring in the Middle East, and I am sure many Syrians are aware of this. It's hard to say that all of them will come here with good intentions.

Condolences to all of the victims and their families. We can't reverse these senseless acts, but we can take the proper steps to ensure that future risks are minimized...
Hasn't a billion dollars already been spent on the DTES? Some people cannot be helped no matter how much money you spent on them unless you want to treat them like spoiled children. This comes from first hand experience with dealing with people on government assistance.
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Western countries are always the first to condemn china when we punish muslim terrorists. now u will see how bad these terrorists really are. Islam is backwards and must be stopped immediately. now more muslims including the extremists coming to canada than atheists asians. Trudeau wants even more of these people here, thats just fucked up.

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As usual you're posting nonsense. You speak as though China's "tough stance" on Islam (which doesn't exist btw, any more than they persecute any other group) is highly effective, and the rest of the world must be blindly aggressive against people based on their religion.

Whatever China is doing is not exactly preventing terrorism.

1997 - Terrorists bombed 3 buses in Urumqi - 9 innocents were killed and 68 were seriously injured.

Yamanya, Xinjiang - 12 August 2008 - 3 policemen were stabbed to death.

Kuqa County, Xinjiang - 10 August 2008 - seven men armed with homemade explosives drove taxis into government buildings injuring several people. 5 of the 7 were killed.

Attempted hijacking of a flight

Lukqun - 26 June 2013 - 17 knife-wielding terrorists attacked a police station and government building, killing 35 innocent people.
2013 Tianamen Square Attack - car bomb kills 5 innocent people and injured dozens.


In 2008, where 2 terrorists ran over a group of unarmed policemen who were jogging, and attacked them with machetes. 16 of the police officers were killed and both terrorists were taken alive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Kashgar_attack

On July 30, 2011 two Uyghur men hijacked a truck, killed its driver, and drove into a crowd of pedestrians. They got out of the truck and stabbed 6 people to death and injured 27 others.

On July 31, 2011 a chain of two explosions started a fire at a downtown restaurant. A group of armed Uyghur men killed 2 people inside of the restaurant and 4 people outside, injuring 15 other people.

2011 Hotan Attacks - The govt decided to campaign against full body coverings using slogans like "show off your pretty looks and let your beautiful long hair fly" because murders & robberies where assailants wore such clothes started happening. 18 young Uyghur men killed 2 security guards with knives & bombs and took 8 hostages. They yelled jihadi slogans. 14 attackers and 2 hostages were killed.

2013 Bachu Attacks - Uyghur jihadists killed 15 govt officials, of which 11 where ETHNIC UYGHURS.

2014 Kunming Attacks - 8 knife-wielding terrorists attacked innocent people at the railway station and killed 29.

2015 Xinjiang Colliery Attack - 50 Chinese workers were killed while they were sleeping in a coordinated knife attack conducted by "alleged" Uyghur Separatists



So how bad are these terrorists? China sure knows how to handle them.
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Remember that time someone killed 6 million jewish people?!
Jesus fuck me.....thats probably a few people killed in the name of religion don't ya think?
Because a terrorist was muslim does not mean muslim = terrorist.
Correlation =/= causation.
yeah because we saw every nazi hold a bible and claim Allah snack bar! with bombs on their chest.
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yeah because we saw every nazi hold a bible and claim Allah snack bar! with bombs on their chest.
Yeah because every Muslim is walking around with a Qu'ran bombing shit.
Do you seriously not understand the bigotry you are spouting off? Holy fucking shit!
You do understand Muslims are a very large group of people right? And 99.99999999% are not violent?
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As you say, it's hard to paint such an enormous group with one brush.

However, regardless of their actions I would tend to beleive there is a large faction of the Muslim population who beleive, or will continue to develop the thoughts that "the western world" did them wrong. And I guess In a lot of ways, they have
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So ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attacks

ISIS claims responsibility for Paris attacks; France remains the ?top of the list of targets? - National | Globalnews.ca


This fucking angers me so much. ISIS or not who the fuck does this to innocent lives
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I wonder what those 30,000 people would be doing if they weren't indoctrinated into some twisted version of Islam
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Fuck ISIS! It's gonna be very interesting to see how the French are gonna find the attackers responsible for this bloodbath. Justice for the French!!!

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I disagree. Religion doesn't make sane people violent. It gives violent people an excise
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So they'd be shooting people in the public, but instead of yelling about Allah it would be.... ?
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Probably indoctrinated into some twisted version of something else... and not necessarily a religion.
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In all seriousness, why can't we have a debate or have respectful criticism about religions without being labeled racists/hater/bigot etc?

Like usually if atheists or agnostic people criticize a religion, be it Christianity, Islam, or even Scientology (imho more of a cult), they get shitted on by being labelled as bigots etc.
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Simple. If you criticize a religion, you are not a bigot.
If you judge an entire group of people as bad due to their religion, you are a bigot.
Is that black and white enough?
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In all seriousness, why can't we have a debate or have respectful criticism about religions without being labeled racists/hater/bigot etc?

Like usually if atheists or agnostic people criticize a religion, be it Christianity, Islam, or even Scientology (imho more of a cult), they get shitted on by being labelled as bigots etc.

Yeah, this is definitely not what I wanted to see when I created this thread.

I was hoping that posts about religion would be minimal.

Less criticism. -more solidarity and support for France and the police, the intelligence agencies, the military to find those ISIS attackers so that those turds face justice!

If anything, I am hoping that the direction of discussion on this thread changes.

Here's a question. If you are part of France's national security team, what are the first steps you take, under the direction of President Hollande, to find the ISIS attackers?

What would you do??? Think about this question, RS. If anyone has a work background in security or military training, your posts would be insightful.
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Probably indoctrinated into some twisted version of something else... and not necessarily a religion.
Can you think of any examples? Do you think it would instead be based on nationality or race?
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All I'm saying is, the title is misleading.

I don't know what ya'll interpreted as.

Bombings, killings, etc. all over the middle east yet nobody gives a rats ass. Some hostage take over gets put on mainstream media and everyone finds it interesting to discuss about. Needless to say, RIP to those in Paris.
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All I'm saying is, the title is misleading.

I don't know what ya'll interpreted as.

Bombings, killings, etc. all over the middle east yet nobody gives a rats ass. Some hostage take over gets put on mainstream media and everyone finds it interesting to discuss about. Needless to say, RIP to those in Paris.
Would you have the same reaction if your best friend's family or your next door neighbours were victims of home invasion and rape as you would seeing a news story about it happening to some random stranger?
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Fuck ISIS...

People say we need to learn how to tolerate, to reason and to forgive.

But sorry, forgiving is the job of God. Now let's take ISIS out for god sake.
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As you say, it's hard to paint such an enormous group with one brush.

However, regardless of their actions I would tend to beleive there is a large faction of the Muslim population who beleive, or will continue to develop the thoughts that "the western world" did them wrong. And I guess In a lot of ways, they have
Majority of the world believes that. India believes that. Russia does. All of Africa does. The entire "middle east does."

The logic behind connecting a religion to this doesn't exist.

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Fuck ISIS...

People say we need to learn how to tolerate, to reason and to forgive.

But sorry, forgiving is the job of God. Now let's take ISIS out for god sake.
"taking ISIS out" probably isn't as easy as it sounds. Sure we have tons more fire power than they do, but they are pretty decentralized and we simply don't know where to hit without killings bunch of innocents. (And they know this)

I think groups like ISIS need hatred and chaos to thrive..
that's why they are always making all these hateful videos and attacks, taunting everyone trying to get some over reaction from the west and everywhere else.
they know in a stable and peaceful environment, they will just wither and die

Good thing I am not some country's or world super power leaders tho...otherwise I'd just bomb their entire continent without discrimination after a brutal attack on my own.... (then probably regret my decision later)
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This is very thought provoking.

ISIS has the advantgae of being decentralize and the more chaotic and hateful the world get the better it thrives.

Every single time they attack, the world response with exactly the what the ISIS wants. More hatred and bigotry.

So with each attack ISIS is actually growing stronger. The more the western world fight back the more tension it create between muslim. The ISIS is trying to convert all muslim to their extremist view and the west's hatred and bigotry is helping them big time.

This is a very interesting and brutal method of warfare i think previously unseen in world histoy (please correct me if im wrong). You can't just drop on a bomb on them, you can't just win with military supremecy. Yet governments are bound by duty and political obligations to revenge and attack back.

This doesn't look good for the world.
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