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So of course, talk radio is full of this and related topics today... the point was made earlier, with whatever subject matter expert they had on at the time, that these 25,000 refugees... are ones that have already been "in the pipeline" to come to Canada for months, even years... most of whom have been languishing in refugee camps all that time, most already vetted by the UN *and* gone through Canadian immigration checks are well, and have just been waiting for the wheels of bureaucracy to slowly turn.
In other words, these are not people who are just being plucked out of a Syrian war zone and then dropped off at the YYZ international terminal.
And again I'll say, the only people I've heard say anything about just shipping them all in willy-nilly without the proper process, have been people afraid that that's what is happening. Trudeau stated yesterday that that was not the case, and I believe Obama made the same statement today.
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This guy, Al Ghareeb the Algerian, threatens an attack against Washington, D.C. He is part of ISIS. Other European countries are also threatened with attacks.
Can we just call a spade a spade and say yes, we actually don't give a fuck about the killings In these other countries which happen on a "daily" basis compared to a western "safe" nation like France?
Honestly, in places like Lebanon, in the last 20 years there have been more years of terror and violence than not. Places where home grown terror runs rampant and outside forces come and go, truly, I don't care.
There's some truth to this. I remember stories about violence in Beirut being common in the news when I was young. I didn't pay much attention to them then, but I do remember it was big news whenever it happened. But after 30+ years of it, you're right, people get desensitized. "Ho-hum, another bombing in Lebanon... ho-hum, it's going to rain for the next two months in Vancouver. SOP, next story please." Yes, it's a terrible thing, but it's not NEWS the same way that a coordinated attack in a major Western city is.
Hell, to this day, a buddy who's just a few years younger than me, and lives in Surrey (96th and 125th area), says the same thing every year during Diwali - "my neighborhood sounds like Beirut".
lol that's like saying what if dog's didnt sniff each others asses.
they wouldnt be dogs.
if religion didn't exist, then humans wouldn't exist. you guys are describing a fundamental human trait.
religion is the scape goat here. if religion didn't exist, it would be called something else. nationalism. idealism. whatever you want.
if religion didn't exist, the same shit would happen.
the only way this shit doesn't happen, is if humans didnt exist.
it is our nature.
well maybe if we all had our own planet and unlimited resources and non aggressive genetic tendencies... we'd be gods
after a dark ages, comes a renaissance. hopefully this dark ages for the middle east passes faster than the dark ages for the west.
as for now, just gimmie my mcdix and netflix. when me and my common folk get that privilege taken away, then we'll really do something about this problem lol. as for now, i'm gonna click like, and onto the next cat video.
Reports coming in another attack attempted in Germany. Some reporting ambulance full of explosives, others saying just a suitcase of explosives. No confirmation officially yet
HANNOVER, Germany — A German newspaper is reporting that a soccer match in Hannover was canceled because an ambulance full of explosives was found out front following a bomb threat.
There was no immediate confirmation of that report, though the Hannover chief of police was quoted by multiple sources as saying “there was a device intended to be detonated inside the stadium.”
An announcement by police informed spectators about an hour and a half before kickoff on Tuesday that the stadium would be evacuated.
DW Sports reported that the TUI-Arena, which was to host a pop concert, had also been evacuated.
Members of the German government including Chancellor Angela Merkel had been scheduled to attend the match to send a signal that Germany wouldn’t bow to terrorism in the wake of the Paris attacks.
Announcements at the stadium in northern Germany advised people to go home in a calm manner, and that there was no danger to fear. Most fans were still waiting outside when the order to evacuate came about an hour and a half before kickoff.
There were no signs of panic, with most fans seemingly accepting the decision with resignation. Police became more forceful with members of the media who attempted to stay beside the stadium.
Security was very tight before the game, with police armed with machine guns surrounding the stadium and maintaining a very obvious presence in the city. Reporters arriving for the game were searched, while a sniffer dog was deployed to check their bags.
The recent controversy over resettling Syrian refugees on US soil has some critics drawing comparisons to the plight of Jews fleeing the Nazi Holocaust during World War 2.
Following last week's Paris attacks, numerous Republican presidential candidates have called on the Obama administration to suspend plans to issue visas to 10,000 of the millions of Syrian refugees who have fled the growing conflict in their home country.
In addition several dozen governors have said they will take whatever steps possible to block Syrian refugees from entering their states. Senator David Vitter, running for governor of Louisiana, released a television advert alleging that his Democratic opponent will allow Islamic militants to threaten their citizens.
Presidential candidates such former Florida Governor Jeb Bush and Texas Senator Ted Cruz have said the US should give preference to Christian refugees and help Muslims fleeing Syria to relocate to other Muslim nations.
Such religious tests, writes Janell Ross of the Washington Post, are obscene in "a country where early settlers arrived seeking riches and freedom to practise their faith".
She is one of many who have raised a Jewish Holocaust analogy.
"Just before and during World War 2, the decision to cast group suspicion on European Jews and deny most entry on the grounds that with relatives and ties to Europe they might be spies or vulnerable to forced spying helped cost innumerable lives during the Holocaust," she writes.
Several writers specifically mentioned the story of the St Louis, a cruise ship carrying more than 900 Jewish refugees from Germany that was denied entry into Cuba and then the US.
The ship was forced to return to Western Europe, where a quarter the refugees eventually died in the Holocaust.
David Bier of the Niskanen Center writes that in 1940 US State Department "essentially endorsed the decision to turn back the St Louis", as it recommended Caribbean nations continue to refuse entry for Jewish refugees for fears that "spies had infiltrated the refugee stream".
"The refugee has got to be checked because, unfortunately, among the refugees there are some spies, as has been found in other countries," President Franklin Roosevelt said at the time.
Others critics have drawn parallels between today's rhetoric and public sentiments expressed in the late 1930s.
They cite a 1938 Fortune magazine poll asking Americans whether European political refugees should be allowed to enter the US. Nearly 70% said "with conditions as they are, we should try to keep them out". Only 5% said the US should raise immigration quotas to allow more entries.
The following year, 61% of the US public said the government should not admit "10,000 refugee children from Germany - most of them Jewish".
Contrast that with comments by New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, who is also seeking the Republican presidential nomination, who said on Monday that the US should deny entry to all Syrian refugees - including orphans under the age of five until they can receive "appropriate vetting".
"Most Western countries regarded the plight of Jewish refugees with scepticism or unveiled bigotry (and sympathy only followed wider knowledge of the monstrous slaughters of the Holocaust)," the Washington Post's Ishaan Tharoor writes. "It's worth remembering this mood when thinking about the current moment, where the United States is once more in the throes of a debate over letting in refugees."
Vox's Max Fisher is more direct in his criticism of the rhetoric now dominating the Republican presidential campaign.
"American politicians are acting to punish innocent men, women and children because they fear people who are different," he tweets. "It's as if history never happened, as if we have no precedent or past we might learn from."
Ed Striker, editor of the conservative website NewsMachete, calls such historical analogies offensive.
"Jews who came to America were not themselves violent," he writes in the American Thinker. "They did not strap bombs on themselves and blow themselves up in theatres; they did not go into restaurants and execute diners, one by one; and they did not attempt to set up a caliphate wherever they moved to, although they did tend to dominate the deli, bagel-making and stand-up comedy fields."
He says Muslim refugees support sharia law and are intolerant of other religions, and a "large subset" want to kill people of other religions.
The Wall Street Journal's editors write that while the recent push to close the US border to Syrian refugees is regrettable, it's the result of Mr Obama's failure to take what they see as common-sense steps to safeguard the US against the threat of Islamic militants.
"Metadata collection or surveillance of mosques or Muslim students doesn't compare to what a frightened American public might support if a Paris-like event occurred on Rush Street in Chicago or the Mall of America in Minneapolis," they write. "The internment camps for Japanese-Americans in World War 2 were a shameful period in US history, but FDR, a progressive hero, allowed the camps under political pressure after Pearl Harbor."
World War 2 analogies are by no means restricted to the left, however.
On Sunday Republican presidential hopeful Marco Rubio criticised Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton for failing to say the US is "at war with radical Islam.
"I don't understand it," the Florida senator said during an ABC interview. "That would be like saying we weren't at war with the Nazis, because we were afraid to offend some Germans who may have been members of the Nazi Party, but weren't violent themselves."
Jonathan Chait of New York Magazine says that such a metaphor implies that "the Muslim faith as a whole is equivalent to Nazism, and violent jihadi terrorists are the equivalent of the Nazi leadership."
Immigration was already a superheated topic among presidential candidates before Friday's Paris attacks.
Now, however, the debate has become laced with issues of national security and morality - and allusions to a dark chapter in 20th Century history.
The fact that so many Christian Americans don't want to take in Syrian refugees (which, ironically, would be an extremely Christian thing to do)
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At some point, we're going to stop talking about France and ISIS and move on to the latest school shooting, another reason Trudeau sucks or some celebrity gossip bullshit (I see Charlie Sheen has already made the rounds).
Soon enough, the water cooler conversations, the Social media nutjob tirades and intellectual discussions on forums will fizzle out. We'll still scream that ISIS should all die but very little groundwork will be made.
I still wanna know why no one has done anything about the bombing of the Doctors Without Borders Hospital in Afghanistan.
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I still wanna know why no one has done anything about the bombing of the Doctors Without Borders Hospital in Afghanistan.
nothing will be done, why? because of who bombed it. it's not the first time, and i doubt the last time, that the US bombs such a target
back to your point, look how quickly people forgot about the bombed Russian passenger jet. heck no one even made a thread about it on RS, when people loved posting about every missing jet
people like to pick and choose what they care about, and it will only last so long before they move on, because it's a form of entertainment to them
look how quickly people forgot about the bombed Russian passenger jet. heck no one even made a thread about it on RS, when people loved posting about every missing jet
Fuckin commies had it comin'.
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It's harder to have a knee jerk reaction to events like the plane bombing because you don't know exactly what happened for days to weeks
It's easier for your typical Facebook hero to post up an opinion when there is more concrete information as opposed to thinking a Russian plane crashed on its own, which they are prone to do. Although it was an Airbus but I doubt too many went that deep into it
Again though, why am I worried about this doctors without borders bombing? People are dieing non stop there..stick your hand in the beehive and get stung.
As un-PC at it is, different lives DO matter/are valued more than others. And yea, I do care moreso about a seemingly innocent Parisian going to a concert and taking a bullet than I do some family living in a mud but that gets blown up.
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The passport belonging to that guy was a Syrian refugee from Greece, not the guy himself. He has yet to be identified.
Aside from him, they have all been identified as EU citizens with valid passports. No refugees or people pretending to be refugees. Some were previously known to be threats.
A passport found near the remains of a suicide bomber at the Stade de France purporting to belong to a Syrian refugee named Ahmed Almuhamed, 25, gave rise to 'scare' headlines...
According to the Greek government, the passport was used by someone who landed in the Greek islands in early October, before being used again to cross the southern border into Serbia. The French prosecutor's office said the fingerprints of the dead man matched a print of a person registered under the same name in Greece in October 2015.
But there were claims that the document was stolen or a fake, made in Turkey, and French investigators said it may even have been 'planted' at the scene of the bombings at the Stade de France as part of a sophisticated propaganda plan by Isis to infiltrate and exploit the refugee crisis.
This is why I wait for better information, a lot of misinformation gets put out into the echo chamber and it spreads from there.
why wait for real info... why even care about misinformation...
it's not like you knowing the truth changes the fact of anything.
not like you're the director of the FBI or whatever french version.
what does it even matter what we know? lol. our opinion doesn't sway the result. and at the end, how do u even know it's the TRUTH? there must be so many other factors that we totally don't know about. at the end all we hear is some news report.
It's easier for your typical Facebook hero to post up an opinion when there is more concrete information as opposed to thinking a Russian plane crashed on its own, which they are prone to do.
Planes do NOT simply break up in mid-air all by themselves. I think the last time anything like that happened was in 1988 when a chunk of the roof of Aloha Airlines 243 came off, and they still managed to land safely. Even Russia has better maintenance than that.
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why wait for real info... why even care about misinformation...
it's not like you knowing the truth changes the fact of anything.
not like you're the director of the FBI or whatever french version.
what does it even matter what we know? lol. our opinion doesn't sway the result. and at the end, how do u even know it's the TRUTH? there must be so many other factors that we totally don't know about. at the end all we hear is some news report.
The refugees coming to Canada left Syria and applied for refugee status months or even years ago; if they're terrorists, they've spent a helluva long time cooling their heels in camps waiting for the chance to attack a maple syrup farm.
UN screeners train specifically in vetting war-zone refugees to weed out potential troublemakers.
The pool of refugees that the UN pre-approves for resettlement amounts to about 2% of all applicants.
Preference is given to "vulnerable" applicants: children, seniors, single mothers, etc.
Those to be sent to Canada then undergo separate screenings by CSIS, Immigration, and CBSA.
In other words, like I said before, they're not just plucking random people out of the war zone and dropping them in Canada. They've ALREADY BEEN going through the process, long before this whole thing hit the fan.
And if you think a whole 25,000 people going through all that to get here, are still a threat, consider that:
Canada allows in 250,000 temporary foreign workers per year
Canada allows in 250,000 regular immigrants per year
Hundreds of thousands of just regular visitors come and go every year
All of these can get in with FAR less screening. Remember that the Paris attackers were all EU citizens, mostly French and Belgian, both countries with good ties with Canada, and visitors from those countries don't even need a visa to come here - nothing more than a passport is required.
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Record numbers of people are applying to join the French army up in the wake of the Paris attacks, Le Monde reports.
The number of applications has risen to 1,500 per day, up from 500 per day before the attacks.
President Hollande had already decided to halt cuts in army personnel following January's attacks on the Charlie Hebdo magazine and a Jewish supermarket and the army will have recruited 15,000 people in 2015, up from 10,000 the previous year, and is set to recruit 16,000 people next year.
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Other European countries are also threatened with attacks. 
