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Old 11-20-2015, 04:50 PM   #226
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Yes they have.

Harper made a big deal out of the niqab thing in the election. Trudeau made the expedited admittance of the 25,000 one of his election promises.

Trudeau took a solid majority, and Harper slunk away with his tail between his legs.

Election results > opinion polls. Governments don't operate on opinion polls.
while the liberals may have won the election, they only had 39% of canada's support.

thats the funny thing about politics. they may be the party that was voted in, but almost 2/3rds of the country don't support them.



and before someone says thats just butt hurt talking,the liberals said the same thing in 2011. i cant find the quote but to paraphrase it was something like "more people voted against harper than voted for him, therefore he shouldnt lead the country"
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How about just pointing out the destruction RADICALISM causes, rather than blaming it on a specific belief system?
it's not radicalism when you're just adhering to the tenets that are set forth in the text




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while the liberals may have won the election, they only had 39% of canada's support.

thats the funny thing about politics. they may be the party that was voted in, but almost 2/3rds of the country don't support them.



and before someone says thats just butt hurt talking,the liberals said the same thing in 2011. i cant find the quote but to paraphrase it was something like "more people voted against harper than voted for him, therefore he shouldnt lead the country"
People who couldn't get their asses of the couch to go vote don't count.

And considering how much was the anti-Harper protest vote this time around, the numbers could be even more skewed... EITHER direction. Just because someone didn't vote FOR the Liberals, doesn't mean they were voting against them, and similarly, a vote for may have been made while holding one's nose.

Regardless, this is the way our electoral system works, and like it not, Trudeau was given a resounding majority. Any time a minority government tries to push something unpopular through, the cry of "they don't have a mandate" rings out... well, under our system, this represents a mandate, and that included bringing in 25,000 refugees by year end.

As you say, the anti-Harper brigade trotted out all the same arguments every time he won, but at the end of the day, that was irrelevant as well, because THIS IS HOW IT WORKS.

BTW, remember the Libs also campaigned on changing the FPTP electoral system, which they have a good chance of pulling off... I wonder if all those decrying their majority win with these arguments will be as upset when they actually do change us to a representational system?

The system is only bad when it works for something you don't like...
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Those numbers are fucking horrifying

Never mind the crazy terrorist maniacs, 90% of Egyptian muslims think you should be killed if you want to leave the religion... fuuuuuuuck that
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Those numbers are fucking horrifying

Never mind the crazy terrorist maniacs, 90% of Egyptian muslims think you should be killed if you want to leave the religion... fuuuuuuuck that
A question for you two, do you believe the ZioAmerican Empire killed 3000 of its citizens on 911 and blamed Muslim terrorists of these acts?
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These are the 5 pillars of Islam (the tenets)



declare your faith,
pray 5 times a day,
give to the poor,
fast for a month every year,
visit their holy site at least once in your life

oooh scary...

anything outside of that like the 'hadiths' or 'sharia' are just mans attempts at controlling the religion and it's believers, some maliciously, some in attempts to help guide those confused, some for a quick buck

unfortunately people are either ignorant or like to play ignorant and merge everything they see/hear as part of that faith
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These are the 5 pillars of Islam (the tenets)

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declare your faith,
pray 5 times a day,
give to the poor,
fast for a month every year,
visit their holy site at least once in your life

oooh scary...

anything outside of that like the 'hadiths' or 'sharia' are just mans attempts at controlling the religion and it's believers, some maliciously, some in attempts to help guide those confused, some for a quick buck

unfortunately people are either ignorant or like to play ignorant and merge everything they see/hear as part of that faith
It doesn't matter where it comes from, what matters is it's there. All religion comes from man, for whatever reason. A man wrote the Quran, for whatever reason.

If 86% of the people in some areas are supporting these 'hadiths' or 'sharia', that's all that matters.
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It doesn't matter where it comes from, what matters is it's there. All religion comes from man, for whatever reason. A man wrote the Quran, for whatever reason.

If 86% of the people in some areas are supporting these 'hadiths' or 'sharia', that's all that matters.
i was referring to vicious and his use of describing everything he hears as the "tenets of islam"

to argue about the hadiths and sharia is a completely separate matter, they're different in every region, so when you say 80%, 100%, 5% believe in the hadiths or sharia, it's being somewhat disingenuous because of the differences throughout

one region may believe you can get boiled alive for being a rapist in their version of sharia, but the next city/state/tribe/village over they'll believe in something else entirely

the concept of sharia is that it is law which is supposed to use the quran as guidance, much like our laws had used the bible as guidance, it's a framework, and so, as with the West, you'll find differences everywhere

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SkinnyPupp why are you hiding behind your fail towards me? Im trying to gauge your level of mainstream media brainwashing in my last question so that I can understand how someone like yourself can even find the PEW search group as not a ZioAmerican propaganda tool.

A forum is about an exchange of thoughts and ideas... civilized and thoughtful discussion to enlighten the group as a whole... Ive already seen StylinRed's true colours as to my signature... but I wonder why you would ignore my question which digs deep into the source of "islamic terrorism" and will probably keep spamming the forum with your skewed view of how the world works.
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Are they ever gonna rewrite the koran. the new testament.
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I don't know much about Islam and I don't paint everybody with the same brush but this popped up on my news feed and I'm curious.

Can somebody elaborate? Is this like a spinoff from traditional Islam? Or how does it work

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Can somebody elaborate? Is this like a spinoff from traditional Islam? Or how does it work

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"The fact that one must ignore a great majority of their religious doctrine in order NOT to be identified as a crazed religious zealot is quite telling!"
86% of them in Egypt think you should die if you leave the religion. That is not some obscure bible quote, that is a direct answer to a poll question.
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new testaments aren't as brutal
Quite the opposite, in fact.

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38 You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

43 You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
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it's hilarious you actually believe those numbers
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The funny thing about statistics is that they don't always tell the whole story. Here's the actual report that those graphics came from.

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/0...ull-report.pdf

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Overwhelming percentages of Muslims in many countries want Islamic law(sharia) to be the official law of the land, according to a worldwide survey by the Pew Research Center. But many supporters of sharia say it should apply only to their country’s Muslim population.

Moreover, Muslims are not equally comfortable with all aspects of sharia: While most favor using religious law in family and property disputes, fewer support the application of severe punishments –such as whippings or cutting off hands – in criminal cases. The survey also shows that Muslims differ widely in how they interpret certain aspects of sharia, including whether divorce and family planning are morally acceptable
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Tunisia’s legal framework is, in key respects, the opposite of Lebanon’s: The Tunisian Constitution favors Islam over other religions, but religious courts, which once governed family law, were abolished in 1956. Perhaps reflecting this history, more than half of Tunisian Muslims (56%) want sharia to be the official law of the land, but a minority (42%) says religious courts should oversee family and property law.

Turkey’s evolution in the early 20th century included sweeping legal reforms resulting in a secular constitution and legal framework. As part of these changes, traditional sharia courts were eliminated in the 1920s. Today, only minorities of Turkish Muslims back enshrining sharia as official law (12%) or letting religious judges decide family and property disputes (14%).
It gets even more interesting when you hit up the extremism and suicide bombers section.
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Since the Paris attacks, we've seen Mosques set on fire, Muslim people attacked on the streets and we even saw a Hindu temple set on fire.

Now we segue to this...

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It doesn't matter how many facts you throw at people. Their brains are just too greased up with their own stupidity that the truth will always remain buried among the sea of lies that carries to the next generation.

There's learning history (through a school textbook) and learning history (through multiple sources of unbiased origin). With social media being a playground for people who may as well have been interbred, bullshit = truth and truth = tinfoil hat time. It's scary to see how many people can be manipulated so easily especially in an age where information is literally at our fingertips.

I wish I was cat so I, too, had the power to manipulate stupid people.
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