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#7651 | | Where's my RS Christmas Lobster?!
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Originally Posted by JDMDreams  Yes but vw and Porsche is broke | Yeah, they have that problem now, but that's why they signed the $6 billion dollar deal in tranches that need to be unlocked by Rivian. Quote:
Originally Posted by Traum I'm surprised to hear that the Rivian engineers / software developers aren't able to meet the performance benchmarks. Back when they first demoed their stuff on Audis, it seemed like they were able to pull out some pretty crazy stops to get the Audis working. | When I say performance, I meant sales performance. Like Rivian has to sell this number of vehicles and make that amount of profit, etc. Clearly that isn't happening.
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#7652 | | Need to Shave n Shower, but I CANT STOP POSTING ON RS
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50% of the cars coming from China have to be below 35k according to the deal.
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#7653 | | Where's my RS Christmas Lobster?!
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Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD What each region optimizes for:
- EU protects other pedestrians, cyclists, breathing, etc.
- NA protects Americans and their unbelted, head-on, rollover crashes with pickup trucks on highways
Regulatory approach:
- ECE type rating is performance-based - do whatever you want as long as you don't cause harm. Matrix headlights? Fine, just don't blind anyone. Chinese ADAS? Fine, just store data securely.
- NA FMVSS is prescriptive. Your headlight has two states, your battery vents _this_ way. This is why matrix headlights and Audi wagons didn't make it here.
Crash test difficulty:
- Basic NHTSA is not too hard - adds roof crush, the barriers are rigid, and unbelted test.
- IIHS is the real challenge - small overlap is 7x harder, side impact is 2x harder, and the insurers that fund it will absolutely wanna put Chinese EVs through this to price their risk.
Most car companies design for both, but if your primary market doesn't have a hard crash test, they're not gonna add extra 12 months, 10M in cost, and $1-3k in cost per car to meet US regs. | so how long do you suppose we have to wait before Chinese EVs are allowed in Canada?
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#7654 | | HELP ME PLS!!!
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My guess is at least 2 calendar years away, and that's being generous.
Even if they start work now, it'll be a year to get the changes required and another year to get it all tested and certified, so probably MY2029 in late 2028.
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#7655 | | Anal Mcgee
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i can wait, no new cars are interesting at all. ill wait for my zeekr 009 minivan
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#7656 | | Need to Shave n Shower, but I CANT STOP POSTING ON RS
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How did vinfast get into Canada and the US so fast?
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#7657 | | Where's my RS Christmas Lobster?!
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Originally Posted by Manic! How did vinfast get into Canada and the US so fast? | If we are using Vinfast as a benchmark, they announced they wish to enter the US market in December of 2019 (I found a report in June 2020), and the first batch of their cars arrived in the US in December of 2022. That's 2.5~3 years for just one model, the VF 8.
I think the 2-year estimation above isn't too out of the line. Chinese companies would have more resources and this isn't during the pandemic, but I'd think they want to sell more than just 2 vehicle models in Canada. Still gotta set up headquarters, at least, before bringing cars over.
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#7658 | | RS.net, helping ugly ppl have sex since 2001
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Originally Posted by is350 so how long do you suppose we have to wait before Chinese EVs are allowed in Canada? | Quote:
Originally Posted by EvoFire My guess is at least 2 calendar years away, and that's being generous.
Even if they start work now, it'll be a year to get the changes required and another year to get it all tested and certified, so probably MY2029 in late 2028. | I'm pretty sure someone has already mentioned it in the thread, but I would expect Tesla to resume bringing their MIC TM3 & TMY to the Canadian market again pretty soon.
I am also seriously hoping for Polestar to re-introduce their PS2 as well. That said, nobody moves nearly as fast as Tesla does, and I am also skeptical whether Polestar would still see a future for the PS2 in Canada. I certainly thik EV buyers would appreciate more affordable options, and the PS2 is noticeably cheaper than the PS3 / 4, in addition to being less buggy as well. At the same time, it is also a noticeably smaller vehicle than the PS3/4, and they have had trouble moving PS2 in the past unless they threw in some massive discounts. (Of course, I am seeing far fewer PS3 despite Polestar offering some fairly meaningful discounts too...)
As for seeing Chinese-branded EVs on our shores, in the foreseeable future, I have absolutely no desire to consider them even if they are available in the Canadian market. Yes, certain brands already have a presence in Europe and Australia, but I think our Canadian climate presents some degree of uniqueness to the long term reliability in vehicles as well. And then there is after sales support. Until I can see a good amount of reliability and dependability from Chinese cars on Canadian soil, I am not going to consider them at all.
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#7659 | | Lomac owned my ass at least once
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Doesn't one of the ev vans have the same chassis as Volvo ev? Denza or geely?
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#7660 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
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#7661 | | Lomac owned my ass at least once
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I think that is pre facelift pre heat pump
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#7662 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
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Originally Posted by Manic! How did vinfast get into Canada and the US so fast? | They designed and crash tested to pass FMVSS.
Hired a bunch of ex-GM guys
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#7663 | | I WANT MY 10 YEARS BACK FROM RS.net!
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would any asian automakers acquire the GM/stellantis plants in ON?
rivian is using the old mitsubishi factory, and tesla had the former toyota one
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