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Armind 05-29-2017 01:27 PM

No Uber.

Traum 05-29-2017 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armind (Post 8843903)
No Uber.

I wouldn't quite say there will be no Uber for sure. At the time of the announcement, the NDP just said they will look into the issue. The cabbies will definitely cry foul of how Uber will destroy their livelihood. It will be up to the rest of the citizens to yell louder than the taxi drivers so that Horgan will cave.

One outcome I can expect is -- all public sector unions worth their salt will seize the opportunity to negotiate a nice, long CBA with the NDP minority gov. I wouldn't say this is necessarily a bad thing, since the Liberals have been playing hardball with all public sector unions (except for nurses) with zero or minimal wage increases after the Winter Olympics contract negotiations. On the other hand, the $15 min wage stuff is really going to hurt a lot of small businesses.

With a minority government in place, I suspect public sentiments will matter more than it has ever been for the past 60+ years.

68style 05-29-2017 01:43 PM

Uber :lawl:

Who cares, isn't it mostly tourists benefitting from Uber anyway? As a resident here I've needed to take a taxi like once in the last 10 years, big deal. I would imagine most people are in a similar situation... unless they're raging alcoholics.

EmperorIS 05-29-2017 01:48 PM

Yea, screw uber in Vancouver. I rather them be pressured into investing more in to public transportation. Need more Skytrain with station malls.

Tapioca 05-29-2017 01:57 PM

So, like, am I now going to be able to buy a detached house? Will this coalition drive out all of the speculators and facilitate a crash in housing prices?

CivicBlues 05-29-2017 02:03 PM

George Massey Bridge bye bye as well. Get used to gridlock everywhere.

Although the economy may crash and commercial activity come to a screeching halt resulting in better traffic outcomes :smug:

Liquid_o2 05-29-2017 02:04 PM

Uber is the last thing I'm worried about. More concerned about housing, public transportation, and putting money into our education system. Liberals didn't care about major issues for their residents, which is why we are in this political mess in the first place.

This is going to get very interesting. Likely no crash in housing prices in the short term, unless a 30% speculation tax comes forward in the next week. Enabling any policy out of a minority government will likely take a while. What happens next year remains to be seen.

Traum 05-29-2017 02:17 PM

Can the Massey Tunnel replacement bridge still get cancelled? I thought the project has already started on the early stages prep work, and I don't really expect the NDP would bother to put the brakes on the project altogether, although it might revise the plans to work with the municipal governments more.

Tapioca 05-29-2017 02:18 PM

We'll probably get some form of electoral reform soon. We'll also get some sort of initiative to reduce the amount of money from corporate donors (but not union donors) soon too. A 2% property tax surcharge will hurt a lot of young families who have ridden the property wave and are at reduced incomes due to raising children at home. So will capital gain taxes on people who wish to make the upgrade to larger homes within less than 5 years.

$10 daycare will remain a pipe dream. Elimination of tolls will saddle the provincial treasury with more debt. We probably still won't see much on public transit since neither party actively campaigned on improving the funding and governance model for Translink. We might get token investments in education that really won't do much to alleviate student crowding in downtown Vancouver and in communities like Clayton Heights and Willoughby.

Liquid_o2 05-29-2017 02:18 PM

It could potentially be cancelled. Not actual construction has begun yet. It would save a ton of money to cancel, compared to building it.

inv4zn 05-29-2017 02:20 PM

Genuine question for those of you who are predicting chaos.

I immigrated here in 97 and was much to young to care about politics and all that, but everyone who was old enough to know, and lived through the "dark ages" of NDP rule seem to think we are now completely fucked.

My question is, isn't this prediction of all hell breaking loose based on the fact that they'll pull the same shit again now? They can't be THAT stupid, can they??

Politically I'm centre-left with bits of right thrown in, but I can't stand the BC Libs. Everyone that I know who support the liberals either do so because that's what they've always done, or turn a blind eye to their repetitive corrupt practices just because "they can't be any worse than NDP". Either that or "fuck everything else, my home value must go up!!"

Liberals (imo) did fuck all for the province and all the shit we face these days are a direct consequence of them fucking about - and this is indisputable because they've been in power for 17 or whatever years.

I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely curious as to why some of you are so afraid of NDP/green coalition? In your words, couldn't they not be any worse than the liberals?

murd0c 05-29-2017 02:23 PM

You might think the Liberals did fuck all for our province but business has been fantastic which has helped the BC economy grow into what it is today. Shit might really go south now with all this free stuff the NDP wants to give away. The money has to come from somewhere so get ready to get taxed to hell.

Armind 05-29-2017 02:25 PM

:ohgodwhy:

68style 05-29-2017 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by murd0c (Post 8843917)
You might think the Liberals did fuck all for our province but business has been fantastic which has helped the BC economy grow into what it is today. Shit might really go south now with all this free stuff the NDP wants to give away. The money has to come from somewhere so get ready to get taxed to hell.

Liberals have been in power for how many years? They brought in all sorts of new taxes... both direct and indirect...

68style 05-29-2017 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liquid_o2 (Post 8843914)
It could potentially be cancelled. Not actual construction has begun yet. It would save a ton of money to cancel, compared to building it.


Dude have you driven highway 99 recently? A tonne of construction has started

Hondaracer 05-29-2017 02:40 PM

Shits been so bad with the liberals in power..got no work got no money got no hope

:rukidding:

Getting rid of tolls and scraping the bridge plan would be such a ducking monumental mistake.

Inb4 the losers living in Ladner etc who voted for NDP see the bridge get scrapped and their property values take the first hit. Who the fuck wants to live in a spot where you have to deal with that tunnel? I've taken it twice in the past 10 years and that's arguabley the worst traffic hot spot in the lower mainland imo

Traum 05-29-2017 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inv4zn (Post 8843915)
Genuine question for those of you who are predicting chaos.

...

I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely curious as to why some of you are so afraid of NDP/green coalition? In your words, couldn't they not be any worse than the liberals?

With the NDP being banished into the Opposition for a long 16 years, I honestly expect them to have little familiarity with policy implementation, and especially when it comes to the fine details of things. It will take some time to round out those rough edges, and there will be some initial gaffes that might range from simply getting ridiculed or to enact a policy with side effects so horrible that the unintentional consequences are dire. But we won't know how serious the gaffes might be until they have been given a chance.

For the most part, I have become so cynical of our provincial politics that I don't really expect any sort of improvement. The NDP-Green gov will be no better and no worse than the Liberals -- it's just that they will be better or worse in different ways and areas. To me, having the NDP come onboard at this point is a good thing, because it will restore some balance to a society that has been tipped too far off at one end of the scale after the 16 year Liberal reign.

68style 05-29-2017 02:44 PM

They should have put rail down the middle of 99.... White Rock to DT... that's what I would call progressive... wouldn't even need a 10 lane bridge then.

Anyone who lived in Richmond before and after Canada Line knows how many cars left the road into Vancouver when that opened. Arthur Laing went from a 30+ minute morning backup to 2 Road bridge to drive straight on literally overnight.

Liquid_o2 05-29-2017 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68style (Post 8843921)
Dude have you driven highway 99 recently? A tonne of construction has started

I can see the tunnel from my office. Yes, there has been prep, but the actual construction has not begun from my understanding. But I could be wrong.

kr4l 05-29-2017 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 8843902)
Yaaa!!! for $15 min wage!!!! It's actually going to be good for business. Shops that are not doing that well will close down and the shops that are doing well will take there customers. 2 gas stations has closed down in our area with one more competitor to go.

Sorry but this statement is the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. Get ready to pay 50% more on every single purchase.

And for the people working minimum wage, if you think your job sucks now, wait until you have to do the work of 3 people AND not bitch about it

EmperorIS 05-29-2017 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kr4l (Post 8843929)
Sorry but this statement is the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. Get ready to pay 50% more on every single purchase.

And for the people working minimum wage, if you think your job sucks now, wait until you have to do the work of 3 people AND not bitch about it

Think he was being sarcastic?

68style 05-29-2017 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liquid_o2 (Post 8843928)
I can see the tunnel from my office. Yes, there has been prep, but the actual construction has not begun from my understanding. But I could be wrong.

All the land on the west side of the highway from Westminster to Steveston Hwy the city appropriated back from all the churches on 5 road and have already flattened/are paving every night to add lanes for the run up.. also all the sand fill piles on Steveston highway too...

Jmac 05-29-2017 03:37 PM

RS: Land of Political Science majors who minored in Economics

DragonChi 05-29-2017 04:19 PM

B.C. Green Party agrees to support NDP in the legislature - British Columbia - CBC News

"The Greens and NDP said the agreement was a "Confidence and Supply Agreement," meaning a guarantee of support for any budgets or confidence motions."

... well, fuck. I thought the Greens would keep NDP spending in check.

Full video near the end of the article.

DragonChi 05-29-2017 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68style (Post 8843921)
Dude have you driven highway 99 recently? A tonne of construction has started

According to the project report from December, construction is scheduled to start at the end of 2017.

https://engage.gov.bc.ca/app/uploads...port-FINAL.pdf

Page 6

Though, they may be preparing for construction.


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