Originally Posted by MrPhreak (Post 8844180)

Flash forward to a year ago... NDP got into power, and suddenly unemployment in Calgary went to typical NDP levels. I watched as literally hundreds of people I know were laid off with no possibility of finding work. I personally got laid off, and I ended up working 2 part time jobs trying to make ends meet. The interviews I got for work also changed from pleasant meetings, to full on interrogations.

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You can blame downturns, or economic factors, or whatever else helps you justify this obscene track record they hold... go full Tyee retard if you want, but at the end of the day, the fact remains that the NDP are oblivious to how their feel good short sighted polices negatively impact the provincial economy.

Originally Posted by carisear (Post 8844172)

Hey Inv4zn, I enjoy reading your posts. you clearly laid out why you voted ndp and why you don't vote for another party. what i'd like to know is how you, personally, are hit hard by liberal policy? With what you described, you should be reaping the benefits of a liberal gov't.

(please don't just say 'social programs! healthcare! education! housing!' people who say those things without offering any details are a waste of air.)

Originally Posted by MrPhreak (Post 8844180)

Looks like a nice create set of stats you got there, lol. Who published that, the Tyee?

How about we look at something more meaningful, like the actual unemployment rates?

The NDP held power in B.C. from 1991 to 2000. After they took power, in 1992... the heavy corporate taxes they burdened the provinces businesses with, caused employment to sky rocket to a whopping 10.1%. To give you an idea of just how incredibly shitty that is, right now Calgary is a fucking nightmare for people to find work and they are at around 9.3% right now. That is just one city, not an entire province.

Now to the NDP's credit, unemployment eventually dropped to 7.7% (still fucking horrible btw) by the end of the second term.. but then again, the province was basically on life support by the end of the NDP rein... average wages had dropped, and a lot of people had either just moved to another province or given up looking for work.

Now in comparison... this year, BC's unemployment dropped from 5.4% to 5.1% in January.... that is the lowest in the entire country. One of the reasons we are even having a housing crisis is because people are moving here, and mostly because we have a stellar economy.

How does that translate into tangible meaning for normal everyday people?

Let's put it this way... I was unfortunate enough to finish my schooling while the NDP was still in power. It was time to find a job, and get my life started.

I literally went up against hundreds of people for every single job, and employers had so many applicants they came up with creative awful ways to sort through them. Getting a job in my field was next to impossible, so I resorted to getting a job just to survive. I had to do an IQ and Dyslexia test for a part time teller job at Canadian Tire, I also had to do a 1000 question ethics test for a summer job with Telus. By the way, both of those interviews were held in a competitive classroom format. The shit that was going on was utterly unbelievable. Eventually I had to leave BC, I had no more money for rent, I was down to eating a single meal a day, it was either take a job in AB or basically end up on the street.

Meanwhile in Alberta the unemployment rate was 4.7%... I was able to find a job, and it turned into a pretty good career. Although it took a deep personal toll being away from my friends and family, and of course having to put up with Flames & Oilers fans. I certainly would have preferred to stay in my home province had there been any possible way for me to do that.

Flash forward to a year ago... NDP got into power, and suddenly unemployment in Calgary went to typical NDP levels. I watched as literally hundreds of people I know were laid off with no possibility of finding work. I personally got laid off, and I ended up working 2 part time jobs trying to make ends meet. The interviews I got for work also changed from pleasant meetings, to full on interrogations.

What I am trying to say here is, this is what 10% unemployment feels like. And without any reservation, I can tell you the NDP bring it every single time they get into power in every province.

You can blame downturns, or economic factors, or whatever else helps you justify this obscene track record they hold... go full Tyee retard if you want, but at the end of the day, the fact remains that the NDP are oblivious to how their feel good short sighted polices negatively impact the provincial economy.

Originally Posted by inv4zn (Post 8844185)

Sure, assuming it's not some thinly veiled troll-post to draw out more bickering, I'll do my best. I voted NDP because they mostly align with my values, moreso than the liberals and the greens. Also I live in New West...which is always NDP lol.

Now, to be a little clearer, I'm going to be interchanging Clark, and Liberals freely - because to me they are one and the same. Her shenanigans are the ones of the BC Liberals, because well, they chose her to be lead. She was the premier.

Also, to directly answer your question, did Clark's actions directly affect me? No, probably not. As an example, her fucking up teacher's unions was after I graduated high school, so it didn't impact me directly. It probably impacted lots of parents who had to scramble for daycare, or teachers themselves, but not me directly.

But my point is this. Everything has gone up. ICBC rates have gone up, MSP premiums have gone up, BC Hydro bills have gone up, various taxes have gone up (gas tax, property tax, etc.). Traffic times have gone up because cheap-asses refuse to take the fuckup that is Golden Ears and Port Mann, and the Liberals are constantly crying about how there's no money for this, no money for that. So where the fuck did it all go.

The Liberals, in my mind, do not give a shit about the average citizen.

Yes, let's shut down Burrard Bridge to do some yoga, on tax payer's money, for publicity! Yes, let's sell government land to a liberal donor for far below appraised value! Yes, let's sell off BC water to a conglomerate corporation at pennies! Yes, let's spend millions of tax money on advertisements! Then there's the whole shitshow that was the HST, her "donations" from corporate buddies, and so much other controversy that I can't even remember now. They're constantly under fire for mismanagement of funds, from anything from chartering planes, to drawing out stupid lawsuits just driving up the costs.

And you know, you might be right. Given my demographic, maybe I am set to flourish under liberal policy, and new NDP/Green policies might fuck me. But I don't mind paying taxes as long as it's benefiting citizens, even if I'm not a direct beneficiary. I do mind when tax dollars are used for thinly and poorly veiled plans to enrich those who are already rich. And I'm tired of the BC Liberals who seem to be hellbent on making their party members, corporations, and the rich even richer, at the expense of us peasants. And apparently quite a few other peasants also think so.

TL;DR, I voted because I agree with NDP values as much as I think Christy Clark is a cunt, and really wanted to see her out. If in a few years I come to regret my decision, I'll come back here and post a picture of my sock in my mouth.

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp (Post 8844197)

Things gone up coz of infliction, drop of our dollar etc etc. But those thongs happen. You don't expect things to be same forever do you?

I experience how horrible a NDP gov is and with their campaign of reckless, tax corporation to death + Green party of driving all foreign investors away. All I can say is hold on to your money, save, actually try to work hard and work and hope you can weather the storm.

I am a greedy person I rather see more money in my pocket so I can decide if I want to spend it or save it. Giving my hard earn dollar to some drug addict to so he can keep on getting high. Yea no thanks. I believe Socialism doesn't work. It makes people lazy since you know they will get support anyways so why work. It leaves the hard working wondering why work so hard when I can be lazy and just rely on gov for support. It also drives business away as other cities have lower tax and they can make more money. Business is there to make money, business owners takes risk to make more money. If running a business is so easy we would all be business owners now.

Originally Posted by MrPhreak (Post 8844153)

Yeah, but life was much much worse under the NDP in the 90's

I kind of want to see how this nightmare NDP-Green alliance plays out in the eyes of the public. I think a lot of younger people in their 20's and early 30's were too young to realize the kind of real damage the NDP can do.

12 months of insane taxes, the disappearance of starter jobs due to a hiked minimum wage, heavy handed anti-business policies that result in huge layoffs and reduced wages... that will likely be enough for those who voted for the NDP to realize what they've done (one can hope anyway).

Then we can finally unite against them and get back to having one of the best provinces in the country.

Originally Posted by stewie (Post 8844207)

People in their 20's and early 30's may not have lived first hand to remember or experience any of the fuck ups they did but they sure the fuck will remember being 20-30 right now and how liberals made home ownership nearly impossible and has shot down their dream of ever having the nice house with green grass and a white picket fence. Unless they move to butt fuck nowhere and give up their social life of going out with friends and seeing family. They've had a long time to take action on this sensitive topic for a good portion of time and it's a surprise that when there's only months to an election they introduce a tax to help cool down the RE market and look like saviors. Too little too late. Fuck them all.

I'm glad the NDP/Greens can take power. I'd rather test 4 years of new living and take the chance at a better lifestyle than spend another 4 years of corruption, lies, and games.

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp (Post 8844140)

That's just me but there are others who came to Vancouver who are able to start from 0 to getting their own place. Maybe instead of working one full time job take another part time? Maybe volunteer to work on holidays to get holiday pay?

As I mention earlier the family that rents the basement most likely make less than 80k a year yet after 5 to 6 years the save enough to purchase a townhome with 3 kids. Yea the dad works 3 jobs at least and goes out collecting cans and bottles as well. Sometimes you have to do things you hate to get where you want to go. He doesn't have a choice. He got 3 kids and parents to take care of oversea. Is just sad when people complain about not being able to afford a place while going to into Starbucks getting a latte.

I am very lucky to have my parents' support. I always like to think how much people are willing sacrifice their lifestyle to save? Not too many I bet are willing to change. I see two side of the spectrum. I see friends who already purchase multi units working 7 days 2 to 3 jobs constantly. Sure they don't get to enjoy life now but when they retire or decided to sell they are going to be the one smiling. I also have friends who live pay cheque to pay cheque, going out for dinner every week, leasing cars that doesn't fit their income all for the glory on FB/Wechat, buying new clothes weekly but puts nothing into saving or RRSP. When shit hits the fan they are going to be one crying. I don't know I always feel like how or what you do/act now will affect your future and there is one to blame but yourself.

Originally Posted by Traum (Post 8844184)

In Alberta, I don't think it is completely fair to blame the current sorry state all on the NDP government. Oil prices tanked before the NDP came onboard, and shxt was already hitting the fan.

Originally Posted by Jmac (Post 8844192)

Statistics Canada, the ultimate SJW libtard snowflake source.

During that 1992 NDP hellhole of an economy, clearly the result of an NDP borderline communism dictatorship, the Canadian national average for unemployment was 11.2% and only Saskatchewan (8.0%, NDP), Manitoba (9.3%, PC), and Alberta (9.5%, PC) had better unemployment rates that year.

Oh fuck, all of Canada was above that "still fucking horrible btw" 7.7% that year (with NDP-led governments having the lowest and 4th lowest unemployment rates in the country). Maybe the entire fucking country was in a recession? Who's the retard here?

As for people moving here, BC had the 4th highest population growth between 2011 and 2016 in Canada at 5.6%, lagging behind Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba.

As for Alberta, let's see. Shell announced over a year before the NDP got voted into power that they were pulling out of the oilsands as part of a $30B plan along with many of the other major players. The writing had been on the wall for years. But, clearly, all the NDP's fault that world economics and decades of putting all their eggs in one fucking basket resulted in mass layoffs.

Originally Posted by MrPhreak (Post 8844211)

I was waiting for that comment. It also tanked in 2001, and in 2008... actually I was working out there initially when oil was cheaper than it is now and the industry out there was flourishing. The difference was the government took action to encourage new investment. The main reason that it isn't doing well is because companies are afraid to invest with the NDP in power.

One good example of how they do this:
Alberta government to revisit tax assessments for oil and gas industry | Calgary Herald

Originally Posted by inv4zn (Post 8844185)

TL;DR, I voted because I agree with NDP values as much as I think Christy Clark is a cunt, and really wanted to see her out. If in a few years I come to regret my decision, I'll come back here and post a picture of my sock in my mouth.

Originally Posted by carisear (Post 8844273)

And that's the beauty of our system -- not voting someone in, but having the ability to vote someone out.

for the record, i'm a very centre, right leaning fiscal kinda guy, but I also believe that 16 years of one party rule is too long. I was a big fan of Gordon Campbell, but not a fan of Christy Clark at all. I absolutely support people voting, or not voting when they have their own informed reason to.

I do disagree with a lot of your reasons though, as being a liberal/Christy issue. ie selling a natural resource is a nafta/federal issue, people being too cheap to pay a toll is a personal issue -- the province gave the people the choice to be cheap or not though, the HST was a 'good' tax for bc, but politics killed it.. but that was a Christy decision so I guess I agree with you on that one ...


BTW, the liberal party of BC is actually pretty damn liberal -- they aren't conservative like the far left would like you to believe. Fiscal policy they are right, but socially and environmentally they are waaaaay more left than many left leaning parties around the world. BC is just so skewed to the left that they appear more right wing than they actually are.

Originally Posted by inv4zn (Post 8844185)

Sure, assuming it's not some thinly veiled troll-post to draw out more bickering, I'll do my best. I voted NDP because they mostly align with my values, moreso than the liberals and the greens. Also I live in New West...which is always NDP lol.

Now, to be a little clearer, I'm going to be interchanging Clark, and Liberals freely - because to me they are one and the same. Her shenanigans are the ones of the BC Liberals, because well, they chose her to be lead. She was the premier.

Also, to directly answer your question, did Clark's actions directly affect me? No, probably not. As an example, her fucking up teacher's unions was after I graduated high school, so it didn't impact me directly. It probably impacted lots of parents who had to scramble for daycare, or teachers themselves, but not me directly.

But my point is this. Everything has gone up. ICBC rates have gone up, MSP premiums have gone up, BC Hydro bills have gone up, various taxes have gone up (gas tax, property tax, etc.). Traffic times have gone up because cheap-asses refuse to take the fuckup that is Golden Ears and Port Mann, and the Liberals are constantly crying about how there's no money for this, no money for that. So where the fuck did it all go.

The Liberals, in my mind, do not give a shit about the average citizen.

Yes, let's shut down Burrard Bridge to do some yoga, on tax payer's money, for publicity! Yes, let's sell government land to a liberal donor for far below appraised value! Yes, let's sell off BC water to a conglomerate corporation at pennies! Yes, let's spend millions of tax money on advertisements! Then there's the whole shitshow that was the HST, her "donations" from corporate buddies, and so much other controversy that I can't even remember now. They're constantly under fire for mismanagement of funds, from anything from chartering planes, to drawing out stupid lawsuits just driving up the costs.

And you know, you might be right. Given my demographic, maybe I am set to flourish under liberal policy, and new NDP/Green policies might fuck me. But I don't mind paying taxes as long as it's benefiting citizens, even if I'm not a direct beneficiary. I do mind when tax dollars are used for thinly and poorly veiled plans to enrich those who are already rich. And I'm tired of the BC Liberals who seem to be hellbent on making their party members, corporations, and the rich even richer, at the expense of us peasants. And apparently quite a few other peasants also think so.

TL;DR, I voted because I agree with NDP values as much as I think Christy Clark is a cunt, and really wanted to see her out. If in a few years I come to regret my decision, I'll come back here and post a picture of my sock in my mouth.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 8844292)

honestly, voting for the NDP because you dont like paying a bridge toll that saves 1-2 hours of your day is asinine imo.

All the platforms had flaws but outside of the "housing crisis" to me the greater good of the province stood with the liberals.

This election was nothing like that of the states where people were so down and out that they were having food stamps cut off and living in dumpsters so they might as well vote Trump. People didnt like paying taxes and fee increases for things which were virtually essential services. Highway upgrades, Hydro, Infastructure, etc. People like to cry about the lack of infrastructure upgrades and projects in the same breathe they speak about road closures/construction. Most of that is infrastructure.

Liberals handled it poorly and their last ditch attempt to hold onto power was too little too late, but i think for most, they didnt even know what they were voting for other than a change for the sake of change, and they heard their might be a bit more money in their pocket one way or another. Most didnt take the time to consider where that money would be coming from.