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Sometimes we tend to be in despair when the person we love leaves us, but the truth is, it's not our loss, but theirs, for they left the only person who couldn't give up on them.
Make the effort and take the risk..
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't." - Eleanor Roosevelt
The BC Liberal party is already a centre-right party that has stayed away from social conservatism.
The BC Liberals have brought in low personal and corporate taxes, privatization, and user fees. I don't know how much more conservative you could get, really.
Hey hey! This is sweet that there is a provincial elections thread going already.
My lady friend is trying to run for the Surrey-Guildford riding for the Green Party. She's going against the "there's no real choice" and "they're all the same" attitudes.
She needs to collect 100 nomination signatures so that her name can be on the ballot and I'm trying to help her as much as I can. If anyone in the Surrey-Guildford riding would like to provide a signature, PM me and we can come to your place, takes like 30 seconds to fill a name and address. It's just a nomination, this doesn't mean you are voting for her or the party.
She was also recently in the Surrey Leader newspaper. Pretty cool!
__________________ When life hands you lemons, you clone those lemons and make.. super lemons! - Principal Cinnamon J. Scudworth
It's primarily a Victoria audience, so Green/NDP hotbed, but was a little surprised at CHEK's poll today showing 38% would vote Green, 41% NDP, 21% Liberal, 0% Conservative.
There technically is a BC Conservative party. Its occasionally built a small amount of momentum but has been fairly irrelevant for the last couple of elections. I don't even think they have a leader right now.
The lineage of the center right leaning party in BC leads right to the liberals tho. The Conservative party was strong in the first half of the 1900s, and was in a coalition with the Liberals for a while. WAC Bennett was a strong Conservative in the 40s, and switched to the Social Credit in the 50s, changed the platform to a conservative one, and the Social Credit rand the province pretty well all the way up until the late 80s when party infighting made a bunch of members move over to the Liberals. The party coming unglued is essentially the reason the NDP snuck into power in the 90s. The Liberals have assumed the conservative center right platform since.
john should dress up as hulk hogan.... he might win the election
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NDP are apparently leading the polls. But polls are just that, polls. I was reading about the idea of the NDP/Green merger for this election, might not be a bad idea, but it'll never happen.
How can anyone support Christy Clark? The RCMP are literally investigating her party for corruption for god sakes, it's time for these clowns to go, it's been 3 decades now. I don't care if NDP win and are out in 4 years, we need a change.
Vote just for the sake of change has worked swimmingly for the Americans this election cycle *sarcasm* I haven't seen any NDP position on transit timeline etc in light of the recent budget. All their rhetoric is against what Liberal does but do they offer any solutions? Not much. Useful ones? Nada.
Liberal only have been in power for 2 decades not 3.
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NDP are apparently leading the polls. But polls are just that, polls. I was reading about the idea of the NDP/Green merger for this election, might not be a bad idea, but it'll never happen.
How can anyone support Christy Clark? The RCMP are literally investigating her party for corruption for god sakes, it's time for these clowns to go, it's been 3 decades now. I don't care if NDP win and are out in 4 years, we need a change.
Does BC Premier Christy Clark have a sketchy reputation?
The Victoria Times-Colonist's editorial board recently suggested Clark's "ethical standards" do not reflect "the values British Columbians should expect from political parties."
Meanwhile, the Globe and Mail's editorial board said Clark's BC Liberal government is "addicted to money" and added that "the perception that corporate money is influencing government decisions is impossible to avoid."
From sketchy donations to dodgy expenses to unethical conduct to straight-up scandals, here are 41 times Clark's BC Liberal government showed that after all these years in power, they might not have a lot of integrity:
1) Alleging her rivals hacked her party's website with no evidence
2) Making tens of thousands with disabilities pay $579 more for bus passes
3) Picking an ex-Fraser Institute director to implement BC's climate change plan
4) Getting her climate change plan ripped apart by her own experts
5) Getting lobbied more than 10,000 times by her own oil and gas donors
6) Skipping an important vote on transgender rights to attend a partisan fundraiser
7) All the donations from other provinces
8) All the donations from other countries
9) All the donors getting public sector contracts
10) Selling public land to BC Liberal donors for a cheap price
11) Spending millions on partisan ads
12) Hiring a staffer facing criminal charges
13) Rehiring the same staffer facing criminal charges
14) Spending more than $500,000 on private flights
15) Billing taxpayers for a private flight to a fundraising dinner
16) Triple-deleting all those emails
17) Billing taxpayers $3,000 for dinner
18) Leaking a "secret strategy document"
19) Taking salary top ups from the BC Liberal Party
20) Yogagate
21) Spending nearly $1 million on government photos
22) That time a Liberal MLA claimed the LGBT community is 'dominating' Christians
23) Sending a staffer to spy on an NDP meeting with youth
24) Insulting whistle-blowers
25) Spending $1 million to upgrade the church Clark goes to
26) Promoting a company Clark once chaired
27) Allegedly interfering in a local election to help her brother
28) Not telling the truth about BC's job creation numbers
29) Getting investigated by Elections BC over donations from lobbyists
30) Getting investigated by the RCMP for those same reimbursements
31) Giving a $39 million mortgage to a condo developer
32) Releasing a jobs ad full of false claims
33) Declaring victory after losing a Supreme Court battle to avoid investing in schools
34) Apologizing to "ethnic" voters
35) Mysteriously firing health researchers
36) Making stuff up about the government's record
37) Getting sued because of partisan advertising
38) Universities hiring Liberal lobbyists to lobby the BC Liberal government
39) Approving a polluted-soil dump upstream from 12,000 people
40) Taking millions from developers
41) All those cash-for-access scandals
As the Globe and Mail's editorial board recently described this "world-class conflict-of-interest":
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It's "a situation where companies seeking government contracts, approvals or tax breaks can give unlimited sums of money to the governing party. Lobbyists in the province have told The Globe and Mail they feel they need to donate, or their entreaties on behalf of their clients will be ignored."
Mind you, most of this stuff wouldn't fly in virtually any other Canadian province - only in Christy Clark's British Columbia.
Vote just for the sake of change has worked swimmingly for the Americans this election cycle *sarcasm* I haven't seen any NDP position on transit timeline etc in light of the recent budget. All their rhetoric is against what Liberal does but do they offer any solutions? Not much. Useful ones? Nada.
Liberal only have been in power for 2 decades not 3.
No you're right, not sure why I said 3 decades when Campbell won back in '01.
Are you really comparing voting out the Liberals for change, to Donald Trump in the US? Come on, that's a false equivalency if I've ever seen one. I would compare this more to the 2008 election, if anything else.
3) Picking an ex-Fraser Institute director to implement BC's climate change plan
A big part of BC's climate change plan was taking public funds out of the public sector and giving it to private companies. All PSOs in BC are required to pay $30/tCO2eq which went into the Pacific Carbon Trust, which then awarded those public funds to private companies for carbon reduction projects.
They've since changed it so public sector organizations can apply to the trust for funding those projects, but most money still goes to the private sector.
Yah the BC Liberals are Conservative and the NDP is Liberal.
The NDP is the same NDP no matter where they go.... they are actually the only party that is fully provincially and federally integrated.
Basically they appeal to the entitled, eventually get in, then utterly ruin the province. Then people remember for about 15~20 years, and once the new entitled generation rises, rinse and repeat.
Alberta is about to learn the hard way how much damage they can do... the projected debt by the next election is 71 Billion dollars. More than BC! Pretty bad considering AB had essentially no debt before they got in less than a year ago, lol.
I figure BC has at least one or two more elections to hold them off... but a lot of self righteous people live here that refuse to work for a living want you and I to be as miserable as they are.
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Originally Posted by mikemhg
NDP are apparently leading the polls. But polls are just that, polls. I was reading about the idea of the NDP/Green merger for this election, might not be a bad idea, but it'll never happen.
How can anyone support Christy Clark? The RCMP are literally investigating her party for corruption for god sakes, it's time for these clowns to go, it's been 3 decades now. I don't care if NDP win and are out in 4 years, we need a change.
Meh, the stuff against Clark is pretty weak sauce... oh noes, somebody donated money and then was later reimbursed completely independently of any knowledge of the party. How about when Glen Clark (NDP) was caught running an underground casino? Or when Mike Harcourt (NDP) was secretly funneling money that should have been going to charity from Bingo revenues. Now those were scandals worth talking about!
Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture. Back in the late 90's the economy was in shambles here after several terms of NDP leadership, I was personally just getting into the work force and the competition for even the shitty jobs was brutal. The Liberals got in, and now BC has one of the strongest economies in Canada.
Even if we take your assumption at facae value that Clark is morally corrupt... so what? They are providing decent economic leadership for the province; don't rock the boat with the justification that capsizing it is somehow better.
Well crap... I haven't been a BC resident for 6 months yet so that makes me intelligible to vote
The NDP is the same NDP no matter where they go.... they are actually the only party that is fully provincially and federally integrated.
Basically they appeal to the entitled, eventually get in, then utterly ruin the province. Then people remember for about 15~20 years, and once the new entitled generation rises, rinse and repeat.
Alberta is about to learn the hard way how much damage they can do... the projected debt by the next election is 71 Billion dollars. More than BC! Pretty bad considering AB had essentially no debt before they got in less than a year ago, lol.
I figure BC has at least one or two more elections to hold them off... but a lot of self righteous people live here that refuse to work for a living want you and I to be as miserable as they are.
the same people who will say the Liberals success is only due to global economics will also be the first ones to shout about how bad the canadian economy was during the conservative era and disregard global economics in that argument.
Having started tech businesses in BC (NDP) then in Ontario (Conservatives) in the 90s. Honestly I won't vote for BC NDP in the spring just because I don't think the party has changed much since then. After 20 years, NDP is still too focused on resource based labour movement. However the main drivers in BC is no longer a resource economy, guess why we have to ship raw logs to China? Because if we don't, someone else would (Finland via rail too). I once had a NDP minister suggested to me that programmers should unionize. Granted Indian companies like Infosys have been exploiting the US H1B program since its inception, there has got to be another solution other than the ol' "let's unionize" hammer. What I don't like about NDP, if you are not in their clique or interest area, dont expect any help.
Some people say C. Clark made a bad bet on LNG. I thought at least she made a bet, instead of twiddling her thumbs. I still see it as a good long term play instead of shipping syncrude.
As for "It is time for a change" guess who has famously made "What do you have to lose?" a meme?
So far I haven't seen any policy from NDP that would make me say hey they have some good ideas, other than protecting their own dwindling base.
Green Party + NDP. Think about it, we have 1 side of the party that say no logging, no resource extraction (green side).. then you have the logger, truckers, pipers etc all types of union saying their members' jobs are gone. That's just a non starter.
As for the ad thing, successive governments both provincial and federal had done it.. First it was Chretian's Quebec thing, then Steve Harper, heck even NDP did it in the 90s, Christie Clarke complained when NDP was in power.
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No you're right, not sure why I said 3 decades when Campbell won back in '01.
Are you really comparing voting out the Liberals for change, to Donald Trump in the US? Come on, that's a false equivalency if I've ever seen one. I would compare this more to the 2008 election, if anything else.
I have an honest, not troll question for you guys.
Do people know that radical 'news' (and i use that term very generously) sites have almost zero journalistic value, and only serve to rile up their alt-left and alt-right audiences?
Sites like pressprogress, therebel, huffpost, breitbart ... and so many more ... their articles should be read simply as op ed's, and nothing more?
I cringe everytime i see a linked article on fb, with one word click-bait descriptions.
There's no money left in balanced journalism. Postmedia just laid off another 50 staff today. The money is now in creating content that appeals to people's own biases and perspectives.
Debt is a nuanced subject. It really depends where the money is for, where it goes to / invested in. Honestly I rather all government borrow a crap ton of money now when the interest rate is at record low and pay off the all the existing debt which have higher interest rate and repair our infrastructure. So in that sense I can understand NDP's stance.
Rather than wait till everything is truly gridlocked to try to solve the problem.. Same for housing. Build social housing along the new LRT corridor. You automatically have guaranteed ridership and cost recovery for the LRT project.
Oh as for getting jealous about sitting government's ability to make ads.. note BC Liberals' and even Conservatives logos are neutral colored Red White and Blue.. it blends easily. Not a "Hey Look at me Orange.. we are not the Netherlands.
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Alberta is about to learn the hard way how much damage they can do... the projected debt by the next election is 71 Billion dollars. More than BC! Pretty bad considering AB had essentially no debt before they got in less than a year ago, lol.
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