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underscore 09-20-2018 10:55 AM

DNA can only be used for confirmation though, since you need to have the person to compare the sample to.

Hakkaboy 09-20-2018 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by underscore (Post 8920016)
DNA can only be used for confirmation though, since you need to have the person to compare the sample to.

Probably someone ratted that person out 2 weeks before charges were laid, and then they were able to obtain a dna sample to compare to the crime scene once that person is on their radar and then make the necessary charges afterwards

Ch28 09-20-2018 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakkaboy (Post 8920007)
DNA?

This isn't an episode of CSI. You can't just precisely pinpoint who the killer is from a sample of DNA retrieved from the crime scene lol

westopher 09-20-2018 04:16 PM

Cameras everywhere
Smartphone location services
Debit/credit purchases.

I’m not saying by any stretch that it’s easy, but it’s easier than it’s ever been to tell who has been where, when.

vitaminG 09-20-2018 04:17 PM

Lol actually they kind of are by using genealogy web sites.

This is just the beginning': Using DNA and genealogy to crack years-old cold cases

Hakkaboy 09-20-2018 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ch28 (Post 8920075)
This isn't an episode of CSI. You can't just precisely pinpoint who the killer is from a sample of DNA retrieved from the crime scene lol

I thought we were talking about Marrissa Shen or something else?

By "crime scene" I meant on her body. Hope I don't have to elaborate/speculate any further since she's only 13 years old

Mr.Money 09-20-2018 05:01 PM

i'd let you guys know but you might use the info the wrong way... :pokerface:

ImportPsycho 09-20-2018 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by westopher (Post 8920078)
Cameras everywhere
Smartphone location services
Debit/credit purchases.

I’m not saying by any stretch that it’s easy, but it’s easier than it’s ever been to tell who has been where, when.

They can find a killer who committed a murder in middle of the woods but they can't find the shooter who shot and killed a teen with stray bullet on busy Broadway...

Why wont they release how they found him?

twitchyzero 09-20-2018 05:56 PM

1. court rulings are not completed yet

2. why would they provide the details? that weakens investigative techniques and provides an opportunity for murderers to be to foil them. More details may be revealed if this was featured on an A&E, Netflix etc. documentary years/decades down the road...doing it any earlier would be pre-mature

CharlesInCharge 09-20-2018 06:49 PM

Could be he was a former Al Nusra "moderate rebel" under Canadian pay... that would be like putting a high offending rapist into a neighbourhood and for a rape to happen... then wonder who could be capable of this crime and how can we bait him to respond in his guilt.

welfare 09-20-2018 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 8920089)
1. court rulings are not completed yet

2. why would they provide the details? that weakens investigative techniques and provides an opportunity for murderers to be to foil them. More details may be revealed if this was featured on an A&E, Netflix etc. documentary years/decades down the road...doing it any earlier would be pre-mature

I would say 1 for sure.
could be wrong but I doubt there's any techniques from this case that haven't been shown on Forensic Files

underscore 09-20-2018 09:14 PM

It's been a while since I watched a show like that, but aren't most of those cases from 20+ years ago and usually the killer knows the victim and did something stupid to get caught?

minoru_tanaka 09-21-2018 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ch28 (Post 8920075)
This isn't an episode of CSI. You can't just precisely pinpoint who the killer is from a sample of DNA retrieved from the crime scene lol

They caught the Night Stalker earlier this year by submitting his DNA to GEDmatch, found his relatives narrowed it down to him and then went through his garbage until they got his sample

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden...James_DeAngelo

originalhypa 09-21-2018 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportPsycho (Post 8920087)
They can find a killer who committed a murder in middle of the woods but they can't find the shooter who shot and killed a teen with stray bullet on busy Broadway...

It makes me think that the professional killer covered his tracks much better than the ignorant Syrian killing little girls.

mikemhg 09-21-2018 03:03 PM

Guys, this is the reason why is we consider folks innocent until proven guilty. This is exactly why when someone is accused of something, they're already considered guilty by the public, even if information comes out contrary to that.

I'm VERY skeptical about this case. As it stands this guy has not been proven guilty. The RCMP have shown in MANY cases in BC for decades now the lack of ability to solve crimes such as this one, I think we should wait until the case has completed, and we see the evidence they carry to indicate this man's guilt.

As expected, this case is already being used by the Conservatives to attack Trudeau, and the man has not even been found guilty.

I am very interested in seeing the evidence here, and how they came to the conclusion that this man committed the crime in question.

Hondaracer 09-21-2018 03:06 PM

I would think the evidence is overwhelming otherwise they would have not announced it. It already took a year, what’s another week or month to build a case if that’s what they needed

originalhypa 09-21-2018 04:37 PM

I have a buddy who is part of IHIT. He says if it was up to them that they wouldn't release anything to the public. No good comes from the population knowing the gruesome details of violent crime. So on one hand we have the media who wants to report everything, and the police who want to report nothing. What we see is a middle ground that doesn't please anyone.

welfare 09-21-2018 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by underscore (Post 8920117)
It's been a while since I watched a show like that, but aren't most of those cases from 20+ years ago and usually the killer knows the victim and did something stupid to get caught?

Yea i dunno. Almost every episode seemed to have some pretty distinct method for linking the perpetrator to the crime. Thought was kinda their bread and butter

twitchyzero 09-21-2018 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by minoru_tanaka (Post 8920155)
then went through his garbage until they got his sample

is this where your garbage on private property = illegal for search, but curbside = free for all?

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Originally Posted by mikemhg (Post 8920234)
Guys, this is the reason why is we consider folks innocent until proven guilty. This is exactly why when someone is accused of something, they're already considered guilty by the public, even if information comes out contrary to that.

I'm VERY skeptical about this case. As it stands this guy has not been proven guilty. The RCMP have shown in MANY cases in BC for decades now the lack of ability to solve crimes such as this one, I think we should wait until the case has completed, and we see the evidence they carry to indicate

charges have been laid for a first-degree murder (premeditated), something tells me they have pretty convincing evidence

gonna take your second statement with a grain of salt...when was the last time a child was killed in a Canadian urban park in the mobile phone/CCTV age?

iwantaskyline 09-21-2018 07:31 PM

It took them over a year to build a case. DNA, cameras, cell phone GPS location data - who knows what nailed it for them but I don't think they got it wrong.

The crime being committed in an urban park meant the suspect most definitely lived nearby the area. There is a huge number of men in the area but with profiling they were probably able to narrow it down to a number where they had the man-power to keep tabs on persons of interest for the year.

I had a tinfoil hat thought that the government has a DNA database of refugees they let in and that's how they were able to DNA match this guy...

twitchyzero 09-21-2018 11:50 PM

already been reported the 'alleged' murderer wasn't on the radar until 2 weeks before he was charged
that's after thousands of hours of footages, hundreds of interviews, thousands of PoI

iwantaskyline 09-22-2018 09:49 AM

^No that's not true. They stated they "zeroed" in on him in the last two weeks because of new evidence - that does not mean he was not a person of interest before that.

I'd be very surprised if he was never a person of interest as he and his family live nearby Central Park.

Mr.Money 09-22-2018 01:15 PM

you guys forgot plenty of homeless people might be roaming that same night.

pretty sure a guy with brown skin or what,would be remembered and stick out like a sore thumb.

the homeless could've saw the flyer hanging up days later leading up and finally remembered something off around that time.
If there was more than one witness to his skin color they would easily believe there's the suspects color and narrow down the search area of local location on computer data base map.


than police asking questions if the "Syrian" guy was home this night and at this time,or "if his attitude changed or is acting fucked up lately" After going as a team one by one knocking doors in the area crime scene near by.

twitchyzero 09-22-2018 02:09 PM

central park is literally pitch black at night
skin colour would hardly be an identifying factor
esp if he was wearing a hoody/hat and was in the videos from cameras nearby the park

mikemhg 09-22-2018 03:40 PM

It just does not make sense to me that a man fleeing Syria, who has been vetted, would come here only to end up killing a young girl after a short time being here.

It just doesn't make sense.

All I'm saying is we should show caution on a man that is innocent until proven guilty. An entire community of refugees should not be tarnished based on charges laid on this guy. A jury has not found this man guilty, but yet we are talking as if he is, and that Trudeau has blood on his hands.

We know this will be politicized in the election next year, and the irony is, the trial on these charges may likely not have even started by election date. What if this man is found not guilty? None of that will matter because an entire community's reputation will already be tarnished.


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