Trump thread 2.0

[blkgsr]

where the hell does the US even grow rice??

[whitev70r]

Maybe by the highway, by guys in orange uniforms?

[Badhobz]

go ask the guy from the uncle Ben’s rice box. They’ll tell ya.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by supafamous

I'm more skeptical of an actual deal that is anything more than a 5-10% cut from what Trump is threatening - Carney's spoken a lot about focusing on what we can control in this trade war versus what we can't and getting a good deal with a crazy con man is not something we control. OTOH, doing deals with other countries, focusing on internal trade barriers and tackling infrastructure projects are things within our control.

Considering how Trump is making made-in-Japan cars cheaper than cars made in US / Canada / Mexico, I don't really expect us to get an actual deal, which is why I put quotes around "deal" in my earlier comment. IMO, the 15% "deal" that Japan got is pretty much as good as it could get, and I don't expect us to get something like that. Somewhere between 20 - 30% would be my guess too, since we are currently at 35%.

And I am also not ruling out how we won't be able to negotiate anything by Aug 1. But as I was saying in the earlier post, in that case, we'd still have another year to negotiate before CUSMA expires.

It is really funny though that Trump gave Japan the 15% tariff on cars. How can he not see this move is directly going against his own policy of bringing manufacturing back to the US? (which is in itself a really stupid idea) And how can he not see the backlash from the US auto industry? Is he gonna TACO on the steel and aluminum tariffs for the auto sector as well as a result?

[Traum]

Originally Posted by blkgsr

where the hell does the US even grow rice??

We used to buy this brand of US-grown calrose rice all the time to mix it with Thai jasmine rice all the time.



It's cheap and you can generally get it for <$1/lb when it goes on sale. But I'll probably just stick to Thai jasmine rice in the foreseeable future until Canada-US relations improve.

[bcrdukes]

Originally Posted by blkgsr

where the hell does the US even grow rice??

California has a large rice industry but they are slowly dying off because there are no succession plans for family members to take over the operations. I want to believe rice is grown elsewhere, but California is top of mind.

[bcrdukes]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

Maybe by the highway, by guys in orange uniforms?

Please, be more specific.

[spoon.ek9]

since you've brought it up, I'm honestly surprised they haven't started using convicts to work in the fields to replace all the people they've deported lol. obviously not something I condone but seems like a "free" source of labour, if you will.

[whitev70r]

I totally condone prison labour, make license plate or whatever ... they have to compensate to society for whatever the hell they did. Maybe I'm racist against prisoners.

[blkgsr]

1000% convicts should be manual labour.

in California they have a forest fire program for convicts, they get to work off time. no issue with that.

[Badhobz]

or you know.... just make a reality TV show about them and make big bucks on prison deathmatch. you fight for your freedom!!!

[unit]

wait so the murderer who kills the most other murderers gets to walk free again?

[yray]

Mississippi has alot of rice

and they freeze rice too

[mikemhg]

Not too sure on the idea of forced labor, especially at pennies on the hour.

All that does is incentivize certain states to incarcerate people on frivolous and bullshit charges as a means of cheap production/labor, we've seen that happen ever since emancipation.

It's not a simple thing.

[CivicBlues]

Rice is definitely grown all over the South. Rice and Beans is a pretty popular dish down there.

Prison labour is definitely just slavery with extra steps.

[bcrdukes]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

Maybe I'm racist against prisoners.

[Harvey Specter]

Drip drip drip...

A bombshell new report from The Wall Street Journal confirms that President Donald Trump’s name is in the Epstein files — and that he was told as much by his own attorney general in May.

“When Justice Department officials reviewed what Attorney General Pam Bondi called a ‘truckload’ of documents related to Jeffrey Epstein earlier this year, they discovered that Donald Trump’s name appeared multiple times, according to senior administration officials,” began the new story from the Journal. “In May, Bondi and her deputy informed the president at a meeting in the White House that his name was in the Epstein files, the officials said. Many other high-profile figures were also named, Trump was told. Being mentioned in the records isn’t a sign of wrongdoing.”

According to the paper — which Trump is currently suing for publishing a story about a bawdy birthday card he allegedly addressed to the late sex criminal Jeffrey Epstein — Trump was told that the files contained “unverified hearsay about many people, including Trump, who had socialized with Epstein in the past.”

A joint DOJ-FBI memo published by Axios earlier this month set off a firestorm of controversy after it revealed that the Trump administration had concluded Epstein killed himself and had no incriminating client list that he had been using to blackmail associates — including some of the world’s most wealthy, famous, and powerful people.

Many of Trump’s most fervent supporters have been demanding more answers ever since, while the president and his team have sought to quickly move on from the topic.

Trump filed a libel lawsuit against the Journal last Friday for publishing the story about the birthday card he allegedly gave Epstein.

“The Wall Street Journal, and Rupert Murdoch, personally, were warned directly by President Donald J. Trump that the supposed letter they printed by President Trump to Epstein was a FAKE and, if they print it, they will be sued. Mr. Murdoch stated that he would take care of it but, obviously, did not have the power to do so. The Editor of The Wall Street Journal, Emma Tucker, was told directly by Karoline Leavitt, and by President Trump, that the letter was a FAKE, but Emma Tucker didn’t want to hear that. Instead, they are going with a false, malicious, and defamatory story anyway. President Trump will be suing The Wall Street Journal, NewsCorp, and Mr. Murdoch, shortly,” declared Trump on Truth Social last Thursday, shortly after the publication of the story.

“President Trump has already beaten George Stephanopoulos/ABC, 60 Minutes/CBS, and others, and looks forward to suing and holding accountable the once great Wall Street Journal. It has truly turned out to be a ‘Disgusting and Filthy Rag’ and, writing defamatory lies like this, shows their desperation to remain relevant,” he concluded.

[VRYALT3R3D]

Originally Posted by Traum

Considering how Trump is making made-in-Japan cars cheaper than cars made in US / Canada / Mexico, I don't really expect us to get an actual deal, which is why I put quotes around "deal" in my earlier comment. IMO, the 15% "deal" that Japan got is pretty much as good as it could get, and I don't expect us to get something like that. Somewhere between 20 - 30% would be my guess too, since we are currently at 35%.

And I am also not ruling out how we won't be able to negotiate anything by Aug 1. But as I was saying in the earlier post, in that case, we'd still have another year to negotiate before CUSMA expires.

It is really funny though that Trump gave Japan the 15% tariff on cars. How can he not see this move is directly going against his own policy of bringing manufacturing back to the US? (which is in itself a really stupid idea) And how can he not see the backlash from the US auto industry? Is he gonna TACO on the steel and aluminum tariffs for the auto sector as well as a result?

Bro, you are absolutely tweaking hard af if you think we are going to land at 20-30%. Surely Mr. Harvard PhD can do better than that or maybe he is outsmarted by Mr. Wharton School.

Either way, Carney needs to stick to a deadline so the bleeding stops. If he is as good of a negotiator as he claimed to be, then Canada shouldn't be in a worse position than December 2024. We already conceded enough and didn't get anything in return.

[whitev70r]

Prisoners who does good work can somehow get their sentences shortened. The thing with prison is that they all sit around and do shit ... it doesn't prepare them to go back into society. They come out worst than before they went in.

I think we're way beyond the point of incarcerating people for light crimes to have cheap labour. Hell, there isn't even enough room to put hardened repeated criminals in jails. Go cry me a river about civil liberties and rights for prisoners.

Stop me when I start sounding like Hondaracer

[blkgsr]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

Not too sure on the idea of forced labor, especially at pennies on the hour.

All that does is incentivize certain states to incarcerate people on frivolous and bullshit charges as a means of cheap production/labor, we've seen that happen ever since emancipation.

It's not a simple thing.

sure where the prisons are privately owned in the US. i doubt our lack ass government is just going to all of a sudden start issuing properly sentences to gain the use of cheap labour

[westopher]

Check the thread title. The entire topic is about the US.

[blkgsr]

so, we were talking about our own prisons. what those idiots do down there is their own problem. they're corrupt at any possible chance

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by unit

wait so the murderer who kills the most other murderers gets to walk free again?

im full of great ideas!

[westopher]

Originally Posted by spoon.ek9

since you've brought it up, I'm honestly surprised they haven't started using convicts to work in the fields to replace all the people they've deported lol. obviously not something I condone but seems like a "free" source of labour, if you will.

Originally Posted by blkgsr

1000% convicts should be manual labour.

in California they have a forest fire program for convicts, they get to work off time. no issue with that.

Originally Posted by mikemhg

Not too sure on the idea of forced labor, especially at pennies on the hour.

All that does is incentivize certain states to incarcerate people on frivolous and bullshit charges as a means of cheap production/labor, we've seen that happen ever since emancipation.

It's not a simple thing.

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Rice is definitely grown all over the South. Rice and Beans is a pretty popular dish down there.

Prison labour is definitely just slavery with extra steps.

Originally Posted by blkgsr

so, we were talking about our own prisons. what those idiots do down there is their own problem. they're corrupt at any possible chance

Everything mentioned is to do with America in this conversation. Even from you.

[spoon.ek9]

Originally Posted by unit

wait so the murderer who kills the most other murderers gets to walk free again?

this is basically the premise of Dexter