Canadian politics thread

[68style]

^ Don't be friends with badhobz then hahahaha

[CivicBlues]

Wah wah waah waah, Life was so much better under Harper

Wahh wahh wahh waahhh, I'm a 40 year old man who has responsibilities now and wants to relive my care-free 20s again so I'm going to latch on and blame the federal government that has little to no impact on my day to day life.

or I'm a late-20 something that actually has to find a job and work for a living, why can't it be when I was a kid again it was so much better I didn't have to worry about buying things and shit.

Waaaahhhhh!

[Tapioca]

Originally Posted by blkgsr

for the Carney supporters, can we get a list of deals/treaties/positive negotiations that's he completed?

steps he's taken to improve the regular Canadians well being?

just facts, nothing else.

Bill C-5 is a pretty significant accomplishment considering the speed of its passage (several weeks for any sort of bill is very fast in modern day politics) despite the fact that there was significant opposition from environmentalists, some Indigenous groups, and even some right-wing pundits.

The internal trade barriers aspect of the bill is not as significant portion as the major projects aspect of the bill. People continue to harp on bill C-69, but the reality is that this bill gives the government the power to override other existing legislation to approve other projects.

I will personally be taking advantage of the free Via rail fares for my kids this summer when we're travelling through the corridor.

[bobbinka]

Originally Posted by unit

cant imagine being friends with someone who just bitches non stop.

they've already alienated their friends, that's why they're digging up 10 year old accounts on RS to post.

they're irrelevant on social media. they'll get buried in reddit. an old forum is the only place they know of where think they'll get seen/heard.

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by bobbinka

they've already alienated their friends, that's why they're digging up 10 year old accounts on RS to post.

they're irrelevant on social media. they'll get buried in reddit. an old forum is the only place they know of where think they'll get seen/heard.

Damn this hits hard, but the last few posters have near quarter-century old accounts

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by Tapioca

Bill C-5 is a pretty significant accomplishment considering the speed of its passage (several weeks for any sort of bill is very fast in modern day politics) despite the fact that there was significant opposition from environmentalists, some Indigenous groups, and even some right-wing pundits.

The internal trade barriers aspect of the bill is not as significant portion as the major projects aspect of the bill. People continue to harp on bill C-69, but the reality is that this bill gives the government the power to override other existing legislation to approve other projects.

I will personally be taking advantage of the free Via rail fares for my kids this summer when we're travelling through the corridor.

C-5 is the one thing I’ll wait on. Finally this group had some common sense. Albeit turning on a dime with both the environment and reconciliation. But I’m all for it.

We don’t need to be cutting blank cheques to indigenous embezzlers for the sake of “consultation” we’re passed that point.

Imagine if we had backed out of site C, it’s hard to even imagine what that looks like

[Jason00S2000]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Damn this hits hard, but the last few posters have near quarter-century old accounts

If you talked shit about the COVID "vaccine" on social media.. your accounts were nuked! My 13+ year old Facebook was shut down, 0 warning, just a complete nuke and I wasn't even allowed to download my old photos. This was right around the time the #NaturalImmunity hashtag was banned on instagram. Shit, even like a few months ago my YOUTUBE was even nuked completely, so I can't even hang out there and chat with people about my videos and comment on other people making videos.

Like where else but here and X and a couple other places are welcoming to a bit of a rebel AI shaman ex-hipster car-loving old fat guy like me?

Another reason people flock back to RS after so long is, what other hobbies and passions do you have in life that have lasted as long as your love for cars? Basically just alcohol, women, and 80s-90s Turbo Chryslers are the other things that high on the chart of life's pleasures for me. Vroom vroom, fucker!

[supafamous]

The numbnuts criticising the speed of a trade deal with the US seem to be ignoring that Carney's not making it priority #1 - maybe you think it should be #1 but he's obviously not and that's up for discussion of course. From the moment he became PM he's been pursuing 3 tracks to address the trade war (and economy in general):

1. Address internal barriers to trade and accelerate infrastructure projects. He's made the point that if each Canadian spent a few hundred more dollars internally we'd address the GDP impact of a trade war with the US - I haven't seen the math on this but if you read his public statements this is his most important priority.
2. Find new trading partners to increase trade with. He's been travelling the world (and hosting them) to sign new agreements including being open to China and India despite the politics involved (like India assassinating a Sikh advocate here and China's general bad behaviour). He's choosing the lessor of many evils.
3. Lastly he's negotiating with the US but he seems aware that is a game with Trump and that it's just going to be a TACO game throughout. Witness Trump having signed only 1 deal - an entirely inconsequential deal that was on offer during his first term (Vietnam offered to remove tariffs as part of the TPP but Trump refused) and now has a worse outcome for the US than the previously offered deal. This is the dealmaker in action.

He seems to have determined that Trump is one of: Stupid, Unreliable, Incoherent, Incompetent etc and that any trade deal can't be relied upon so he's focused on things that can be relied upon. He's said this repeatedly in his public statements since he became PM so why are people acting surprised by it? He's not trying to restore normalcy with the US because he doesn't believe it can be restored while Trump is in power (he opted to go to Europe as his first diplomatic trip versus respecting the tradition of meeting the US President first). Oh yeah, you just want to rage against the Liberals cause you have nothing else to talk about.

If you think his order of operation is wrong and that Trump is actually a reliable partner (or that you think the first and foremost approach is to address tariffs) then let's hear the logic and evidence to support that approach. The prevailing evidence through his first term and the first few months of his second term say that Trump is a madman. If you think that option 1 and 2 won't yield the results they need (and I have some skepticism on the short term benefits) then let's hear the thinking but just raging about it because that's all you got in your toolbox is a waste of time.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by unit

this is a level of bitching and complaining not seen since welfare.
go outside and enjoy the sun, breathe in some fresh air, and stop being an angry miserable person for a moment.
cant imagine being friends with someone who just bitches non stop.

I literally questioned earlier today if v3ryr3tard is actually welfare.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by westopher

I literally questioned earlier today if v3ryr3tard is actually welfare.

I did as soon as he started posting in here. It's possible, but it's also possible that their brains are cooked in the exact same way, by the same forces

[VRYALT3R3D]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

I did as soon as he started posting in here. It's possible, but it's also possible that their brains are cooked in the exact same way, by the same forces

好家伙，你们这破案能力不去朝阳居委会当个‘网络特派员’真是屈才了！建议直接发个‘赛博编制’，每天打卡 巡视论坛，工资结算用西瓜币（狗头）。

Cheers,

[Hondaracer]

I think hoping that Europe or Asian countries becomes your new besty is at best, wishful thinking.

Europe can’t provide what the US does, Europe will never provide what NAFTA has for Canada.

Focusing on establishing new agreements with overseas countries will only worsen the cost of living crisis we face today. The -only- solution is to deal with the states.

It’s not really a “win” to say yea we have all these new trading partners now, but a head of lettuce is 45% more than it was prior.

[Jason00S2000]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

that their brains are cooked

Do you think that saying this about anyone you have a different opinion than is the Canadian way to treat someone else?

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Jason00S2000

Do you think that saying this about anyone you have a different opinion than is the Canadian way to treat someone else?

It's not about "having a different opinion" at all.

Originally Posted by VRYALT3R3D

Ngl, bromigo...you are crashing out hard af.

Imagine supporting the liberals in 2025. Hahahahaaha

You create all sorts of boogeymanz for Carney's incompetence

This type of shit is what I'm talking about.

Anyone writing like that should expect some push back. Whether it's the "Canadian way" to treat people, I couldn't tell you. Maybe?

[Traum]

You are correct that without a doubt, Europe and/or Asia can't provide what the US used to provide for us, in goods, opportunities, etc. But I disagree the dealing with the US is the only viable solution for us. In fact, I'd say it is an extremely poor option to only / mostly pursue a solution with the US for at least the following reasons:

1) The DJT US has proven to be utterly unreliable. It is unpredictable, unreliable, negotiates in bad faith, etc. When DJT's sense of "fair" is they reap 90% of the profit while leaving you only with the crumbs, how could that ever be a good solution to anything?

2) In a case of monopoly (or near monopoly), the mere presence of having a good alternative (or even just an alternative) is sometimes good enough to encourage better behaviour from the monopolistic body. I personally believe this is the angle Carney is trying to pursue, and I agree with this approach as well.

3) We need the US as much as the US needs the RoW market. If RoW can all focus on doing more trade among one another while playing hardball or only engaging in reduced trade capacity with the US, sooner or later the US is gonna start feeling the pain too. That could encourage different behaviour from the US.

If you only look at how much more a head of lettuce is gonna cost today, you are not gonna have a world 4 yrs later where the US would be more welcoming of friendlier trade relationships with the RoW.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

I think hoping that Europe or Asian countries becomes your new besty is at best, wishful thinking.

Europe can’t provide what the US does, Europe will never provide what NAFTA has for Canada.

Focusing on establishing new agreements with overseas countries will only worsen the cost of living crisis we face today. The -only- solution is to deal with the states.

It’s not really a “win” to say yea we have all these new trading partners now, but a head of lettuce is 45% more than it was prior.

[Tapioca]

I think there's a significant segment of the Canadian public that would see us become Belarus to the US if it meant we got a trade deal with Trump.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

I think hoping that Europe or Asian countries becomes your new besty is at best, wishful thinking. Europe can’t provide what the US does, Europe will never provide what NAFTA has for Canada.

No Asian or European country needs to be our new bestie but combined they can be a viable alternative for lots of different products both for import and export. For example, China would happily buy all the oil and LNG we have if we had the capacity to sell it them. China would also happily increase the amount of fruits they sell to us - fruits that replace US products. I imagine they'd be more than happy to sell us their EVs too - 90k for a Model Y or 45k for a BYD equivalent?

Not everything the US produces for us or buys from us can be replaced by Asian or Europe (or Africa) but it can certainly help minimise the damage of a US trade war.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Focusing on establishing new agreements with overseas countries will only worsen the cost of living crisis we face today. The -only- solution is to deal with the states.

If your spouse keeps abusing you and keeps showing you that they can't be trusted, aren't reliable, and constantly sets the houses of your neighbours on fire why would you make that your priority? If they behave like Nazi Germany (Alligator Alcatraz anyone?) why would you do business with them? Wouldn't you look for help?

Most analysis says a trade war with the US could result in a 1-3% hit to GDP - that's bad but it's also not the end of the world, it's actually solvable by finding alternatives.

I don't know if it'll work but the example Carney's floated is that we'll achieve most of our increased military spend by building weapons and other goods for Europe versus building it for ourselves cause, surprise, surprise, no one wants to buy US military products anymore. If this actually works (and I'm skeptical) that could fill a good chunk of losses.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

It’s not really a “win” to say yea we have all these new trading partners now, but a head of lettuce is 45% more than it was prior.

I don't think Carney is trying to replace the US 1:1 - he's expecting some things will be worse but that some things will be much better and that it'll even out. Sell oil and LNG to China, buy their EVs, build missiles for Europe, import more wine from Italy etc. I think he needs to express this more clearly but it would cost him points with the public if he does. This is where I do worry a bit about his approach - Carney is a very smart guy but he's also very aware that he's a very smart guy and I wonder sometimes if he's taking too big a bite of the apple and aiming for the long term goals over the short term stuff. Doing trade deals with everyone else is all well and good over the long term but what about what happens in the next 12 months if Trump really gums things up?

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Traum

You are correct that without a doubt, Europe and/or Asia can't provide what the US used to provide for us, in goods, opportunities, etc. But I disagree the dealing with the US is the only viable solution for us.

Just in general it's a good idea to shop around and have the person you're negotiating with know that you have other options available to you. Even if you don't intend to use those options they're good for bargaining. Giving yourself a single option, when they know they're you're only option, doesn't give you much leverage.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by supafamous

No Asian or European country needs to be our new bestie but combined they can be a viable alternative for lots of different products both for import and export. For example, China would happily buy all the oil and LNG we have if we had the capacity to sell it them. China would also happily increase the amount of fruits they sell to us - fruits that replace US products. I imagine they'd be more than happy to sell us their EVs too - 90k for a Model Y or 45k for a BYD equivalent?

Not everything the US produces for us or buys from us can be replaced by Asian or Europe (or Africa) but it can certainly help minimise the damage of a US trade war.

If your spouse keeps abusing you and keeps showing you that they can't be trusted, aren't reliable, and constantly sets the houses of your neighbours on fire why would you make that your priority? If they behave like Nazi Germany (Alligator Alcatraz anyone?) why would you do business with them? Wouldn't you look for help?

Most analysis says a trade war with the US could result in a 1-3% hit to GDP - that's bad but it's also not the end of the world, it's actually solvable by finding alternatives.

I don't know if it'll work but the example Carney's floated is that we'll achieve most of our increased military spend by building weapons and other goods for Europe versus building it for ourselves cause, surprise, surprise, no one wants to buy US military products anymore. If this actually works (and I'm skeptical) that could fill a good chunk of losses.



I don't think Carney is trying to replace the US 1:1 - he's expecting some things will be worse but that some things will be much better and that it'll even out. Sell oil and LNG to China, buy their EVs, build missiles for Europe, import more wine from Italy etc. I think he needs to express this more clearly but it would cost him points with the public if he does. This is where I do worry a bit about his approach - Carney is a very smart guy but he's also very aware that he's a very smart guy and I wonder sometimes if he's taking too big a bite of the apple and aiming for the long term goals over the short term stuff. Doing trade deals with everyone else is all well and good over the long term but what about what happens in the next 12 months if Trump really gums things up?

I don't think Honda meant to just kowtow to US and give in.

The problem is that Carney has no freaking plan. Like... everything he's done so far... so, giving in to bad orange man is not ok, but somehow giving in to the demands of EU, China or whoever is willing to buy our shit is ok?!?

75.9% of our trade is to the US, and the US is who everyone, including China, EU or whoever are trying to sell to. I'm not sure what exactly would go with China/US agreement, but if Vietnam is any sign, China would likely open more market to US, limit certain of their export to US in the form of tariff in exchange for US to loosen on other stuff.

By going with first principle thinking, if everyone is trying to sell their shit to the US, and we are actually alienating ourselves from the US, who would end up in a worse position? China and EU can get our shit from someone else if shit really hits the fans and US says you can't sell me stuff with shit from Canada. We are not like Taiwan where things like semiconductors are their almost exclusive and you can't get anywhere else. What we have are commodities that can be easily replaceable by others. What would we do?

Thus, what you are saying here is that we need to diversify and have more buyers for our stuff. But here's the thing... you don't do that by first cutting off your biggest partner and hope that others would play nicely with you.

It's like having your business and in order to win the business from other much smaller clients, you shut out your largest client to appeal to those smaller ones. It makes no financial sense at all and even at national level, it still wouldn't make any sense.

US holds a lot of chips. We are bound to give some in order to trade with them. But we still have to do it, while continue our development with other economies. The other economies are not saint. Do you think that with our position with the US as of today, they are going to be all nice and pay whatever we say to get our stuff? Hell no. They are going to exploit it to the max, saying "you either sell them to me or you've got no one to sell it to".

The worst thing in business is let ego get in your way of rationality. Giving in certain aspect of our protection of our market is not losing our sovereignty. But rather, just part of negotiation, and in negotiation, it works like this... it's never a win-win situation... but rather, neither party is happy with where they are, but they can tolerate it.

[68style]

No offense, but you’re just deciding what’s happened in every meeting in your own mind, you have no idea what actually transpired or has been talked about or decided. You’re just talking out of your ass like almost everyone does online with what you THINK is happening and pretending to have internal / innate knowledge of the situation and then applying your business ethos to iit

It’s a nice story and I’m not arguing against your negotiation theories, but it’s entirely based on your conjecture of what’s happening between Canada and the USA of which you have no actual idea since you’re not involved in any way.

[VRYALT3R3D]

Originally Posted by supafamous

The numbnuts criticising the speed of a trade deal with the US seem to be ignoring that Carney's not making it priority #1

Let me aware you, brah.

carney & Trump agreed to secure a trade deal within 30 days:

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/0...-deal-00407741

So yes, it is perfectly reasonable to criticize the speed of the deal and if anything meaningful can be accomplished when carney acts as a bad-actor(DST).

Originally Posted by supafamous

2. Find new trading partners to increase trade with. He's been travelling the world (and hosting them) to sign new agreements including being open to China and India despite the politics involved (like India assassinating a Sikh advocate here and China's general bad behaviour). He's choosing the lessor of many evils.

Not really a silver bullet here, bromigo. When looking at CPTPP & EU countries, only 4% of Canadian exports are bound there. As far as China is concerned, they don't particularly care for the Liberal government that treated Meng Wanzhou so poorly. Very poor 关系 indeed. Xi has very good memory!!!

I will end my post with the fact that 1 in 4 Canadians are experiencing food insecurity. Completely unacceptable and unpresented and really shows how the liberals fucked up this country via cost of living increases.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by 68style

No offense, but you’re just deciding what’s happened in every meeting in your own mind, you have no idea what actually transpired or has been talked about or decided. You’re just talking out of your ass like almost everyone does online with what you THINK is happening and pretending to have internal / innate knowledge of the situation and then applying your business ethos to iit

It’s a nice story and I’m not arguing against your negotiation theories, but it’s entirely based on your conjecture of what’s happening between Canada and the USA of which you have no actual idea since you’re not involved in any way.

How is that any different than any posts above his?

If people want a morale victory over Trump for the sake of a watermelon costing $25, it’s a completely asinine approach.

Maybe Carney should focus more on shit that actually effects every day people rather than trying to source raw materials for missles and armoured personal carriers? lol

Like obviously trade at every level is important to the development of the country, infrastructure projects etc. but if the end result of all of this is your middle class and lower is just much worse off financially, you can only hang your hat on morale victories for so long and that definitely feels like the way we’re going.

[68style]

So are you just jumping on Hehe’s bandwagon or what?

I don’t even know what you guys are carrying on about. You’re all complaining first that Canada is weak and dropped the DST to get Trump back to the table… and then 2 pages later you’re saying Canada has too much ego and needs to give in on some things in the interests of negotiation from a weaker position (duh!)

Make up your fucking minds.

This is what happens when you just blindly hate things just for the sake of hating them. Bad faith arguments/posts and useless conjecture.

[RevYouUp]

The argument goes both ways lol

[Badhobz]

Ha ha !

I still don’t understand what the point is of all this jibber jabber. Not like yall gonna do shit about it. Ain’t nobody gonna move or join politics or even vote differently. So all this yammering is totally moot.

The only radical change that might happen is if the crazy Albertians separate from Canada and then take sask. Manitoba with them. Most likely AB get swallowed up by the USA.