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It’s a deadline Trump stated not an opinion piece, google it, there’s a million different news sites all with the same date, stop being a fucking retard.
Yes, I know what his comment was referring to. Congrats on making it easier to buy booze from other provinces lmfao
If you knew what Carney's comment was referring to, then it is even worse that you made the comment the way you did. Because now you are intentionally misleading the audience on what you were planning to say next:
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Supposedly the trade negotiations were at at "an intense phase" back in July. Nothing has been achieved since. We just blow deadline after deadline with no results. Carney is the one that promised: "We intend, from a federal level, to have free trade by Canada day." Carney overestimated his ability to deliver.
Your first sentence is clearly referring to Canada's trade negotiations with the US, and how Carney has not been able to make any meaingful progress. So when you brought up Carney's quote on having free trade by Canada Day, you were clearly suggesting or otherwise trying to confuse / mislead the reader into thinking that Carney meant he would get the US-Canada free trade negotiations done by Canada Day.
So there are really only 2 possible explanations on why you wrote what you did:
1) you were mis-informed yourself in thinking that the Canada Day deadline was for US-Canada free trade, or
2) you knew the Canada Day date was for inter-provincial free trade, but you used it alongside with the US-Canada free trade negotiations to mislead the readers into believing that Carney is ineffective in his negotiations with Trump.
#1 means you are mis-informed / incompetent. And #2 means you intentionally wanted to mislead people.
So take your pick. Which one is it?
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But going back to free trade, it was Carney who mentioned the deadline of August 1st: "Throughout the current trade negotiations with the United States, the Canadian government has steadfastly defended our workers and businesses. We will continue to do so as we work towards the revised deadline of August 1."
Carney Twitter comment was made on July 10. How many times since then has Trump moved the goal post on US-Canada trade negotiations? And how do you negotiate with an irrational party that is clearly negotiating in bad faith? Are we supposed to blame ourselves for that?
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Carney Twitter comment was made on July 10. How many times since then has Trump moved the goal post on US-Canada trade negotiations? And how do you negotiate with an irrational party that is clearly negotiating in bad faith? Are we supposed to blame ourselves for that?
"Trump is a transformational President with a relentless focus on the American worker." - Mark Carney
The original deadline was July 21st then it became August 1st. Both deadlines were blown through. The only thing achieved were embarrassing concessions with the US and nothing in return. Do you think Carney should read The Art of The Deal?
There are many issues that the Office of the US Trade Representative lists the unfair trade practices it claims Canada engages in, starting on page 57. Most of the issues Trump has with Canada are not new and were existing issues under the Biden administration too.
That's right, PP would have blasted into that whitehouse and said
"Listen you Orange Bitch, Canada's not to be fucked with!, take your tarriffs and shove them up your ass"
And Trump would have said "Oh I'm so sorry Mr. PP, you're right, I'm cancelling all the tariffs, and because you're so big and strong and put me in my place I'm giving tax subsidies to all Canadian goods coming across the border"
This is why the elites are so heavily pushing crypto. It's no coincidence our own mayor Sim seems to be spending more time/energy on crypto crap than that of managing the city.
I truly believe this is the eventual goal, prop up crypto while pushing for deregulation, giving them the ability to further keep their funds opaque, making it harder to tax.
I'm no crypto expert at all - I don't know anything about crypto, but I heard some interesting tidbits about crypto misinformation today while being a fly on the wall in some PE bros conversations.
1. People think crypto is 100% secure. It's not automatically, there's something called blockchain security? Something about everything being public too.
2. People think crypto is used by terrorist/criminal organizations because it can't be tracked. Not true, while there's no name tied to the wallet, there is numerical ID (or some kind of consistent ID) tied to those funds and it makes it incredibly easily to track where the funds are moving. Of course the difficult part is figuring out who that ID is associated with, but in terms of tracking money flow, it's very easy.
Thanks for the article! I referred to an AI conference a last week with some key panelist insights - this was the conference.
I think it's definitely about mitigating as much risk as you can, of course there's limitation in this very interconnected world. I had a conversation today with someone about putting a stop gap between my personal devices and work devices. Well, my entire family went to China, with our personal devices that are all connected to the home network... that my work device is connected to. Even if I made sure my end was completely kept separate, there's no guarantee that it's 100% secure, you do the best you can.
Europe is actually a leader in consumer data & privacy and security laws, so much so that in most cases, Canada is seen as very very very far behind. You'll have to correct me on the specific terms for growth stages. Many practitioners from Europe are used to working with very mature companies (and the government as well), whereas in contrast Canada is seen as very early stage with policies fragment as suggestions (as prev. mentioned) and not law (contrasting with GDPR penalties and such). That said the EU has that kind of power bc if you wanna work with 27 countries, this is what you gotta do. A much larger market share than whatever is in Canada - basically nothing. So Canada is more scared about scaring away investment. I still think Quebec does a really good job at balancing encouraging investment and enforcing the laws.
Mr. Fekete at Osler mentions in this article that "Taking the concept of sovereignty to its extreme would mean relying on Canadian companies that have no presence outside the country, and as a result, lack the expertise and funding necessary to compete globally." This is interesting and completely in contrast of what I've heard in industry, where Canada is the preferred country of vendors for European selection, per a report conducted by Deloitte (could be AI lul). Tho otoh, it also makes sense because former Canadian companies that do have an international presence.. just get bought up so they longer are Canadian companies lol
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That's right, PP would have blasted into that whitehouse and said
"Listen you Orange Bitch, Canada's not to be fucked with!, take your tarriffs and shove them up your ass"
And Trump would have said "Oh I'm so sorry Mr. PP, you're right, I'm cancelling all the tariffs, and because you're so big and strong and put me in my place I'm giving tax subsidies to all Canadian goods coming across the border"
And that would have been that.
Was it this thread that had that video of Carney dealing with Trump? That was comedic gold. I know your post is sarcasm, but I feel like this tactic of pushing back aggressively didn't work well for... Ukraine?
I'm no crypto expert at all - I don't know anything about crypto, but I heard some interesting tidbits about crypto misinformation today while being a fly on the wall in some PE bros conversations.
1. People think crypto is 100% secure. It's not automatically, there's something called blockchain security? Something about everything being public too.
2. People think crypto is used by terrorist/criminal organizations because it can't be tracked. Not true, while there's no name tied to the wallet, there is numerical ID (or some kind of consistent ID) tied to those funds and it makes it incredibly easily to track where the funds are moving. Of course the difficult part is figuring out who that ID is associated with, but in terms of tracking money flow, it's very easy.
Criminals can just use a tumbler/mixer. Basically It takes a bunch of crpto from various people mixes it up and sends the crypto to new wallets.
Europe is actually a leader in consumer data & privacy and security laws, so much so that in most cases, Canada is seen as very very very far behind.
Circling back to what westopher and 68style mentioned, Canada has a lot of US-based investors who set up shop in Canada. With that comes data retention and privacy policies that are vague at best, and you have vulnerable sectors such as health care, higher education, telecom, and technology where information may be stored on foreign soil. The moment you store personal records, say for example, on cloud storage based in the US, the US gov't has the ability to take a peek at that data at will through The Patriot Act. Let's not forget about Trump's irrational decision making either.
Some companies and public organizations in Canada (not all!) have stronger policies in place to protect data and privacy of Canadians than others, but this is where the importance of data sovereignty is at stake: We lack the infrastructure, incentives, and public policies that can facilitate the framework required to set ourselves apart. We have models such as GDPR that are very strong, and something Canada can strive towards. However, but it's going to take a lot of work and cultural change for that to happen.
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https://apple.news/AXRWCxz6WQByQOQrzWw5LWA
Article about the energy and water consumption of data centres.
I’m pretty environmentally conscious, but I don’t believe we can survive economically if we deem everything that has an environmental impact not viable. I’m not unrealistic in that regard. What I do need to see is a REAL TANGIBLE positive financial impact for Canadians long term to deem what is and isn’t acceptable. I don’t see how these places that employ literally 10s of people, but use a BILLION litres of water a year are going to positively impact canada.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
Canada is very behind in data security standards, we treat SOC2 like it's an annoying afterthought. Working with major companies the US based ones are much more astute at that type of governance than I've seen of most Canadian entities.
Americans look at us like we're hillbillies in that respect.
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LOOK AT ME IM MIKE AND I HAVE A BIG HOG AND I DRINK TEQULA AND WORK OUT AND LISTEN TO CHARLI XCX ON THE BEACH IN BERMUDA
Grow up fuckin Peter Pan and get a good nights rest.
The really interesting thing about SOC2 compliance is that it's not a regulatory compliance standard, it's a framework propped up by industry. If you want to be seen as a trustworthy company, you need SOC2 compliance. Simply speaking, if you want to do business with the US, this is the only way to rubber stamp a TRUST score lol.
Funny enough tho, SOC2 is turning more and more into truly a stamping gig. SOC2 compliance is like the next digital marketer gig. Everyone's doing it, regardless if they know how to do it or not. You just need to pay for someone to pass / sign off on it.
Culturally speaking, Canadians inherently have a higher standard for data security than SOC2. It's just that getting the SOC2 sticker costs a shit ton of money lol. Canada's thing is that because there's no industry standard (SOC2 equivalent) everyone's off doing whatever they need to in different markets (ISO, NIST, etc). Our federal government doesn't want to mandate a protocol, they just keep making recommendations (that constantly change or contradict) and as usual, provincial and muni do their own things that may differ from federal. Hell Quebec has regulatory compliance standard that is strictly enforced - Act 25.
Bringing it back to politics, this whole US-Canada NATO defense budget thing has done some good for this industry. Cyber defense is under the Defense umbrella, so there's a lot more funding (already announced) budgeted and there's a lot more eyes on the industry. In Carney's election platform it mentioned cybersecurity standards across Canada, it seems to have been scrubbed from the internet - I haven't checked again tho, but I'm looking forward to seeing (hopefully) some form regulatory compliance, similar to Quebec or the EU. Might be when pigs fly tho.
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The biggest mistake you can make is to assume that outsider companies, especially US or foreign corporations, have anyone's interests at heart besides their own.
Collectively yes they are required for the job market to exist, but Canada and places like Alberta better be pretty fuckin careful how many handouts they are giving to attract these sorts of businesses here, it's all a mathematical calculation to these entities and nothing more.
A good example of tax credits being issued but US companies not following through - $15B in subsidies and Stellantis is leaving
Stellantis is based in the Netherlands...The Brampton plant isn't coming back until the tariffs are eliminated. It is pretty clear they won't absorb them and sell vehicles at a loss.
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The latest passport rankings are in. Canada is 9th in the world. The US for the first time ever drops out of the top 10 and is ratted 12th. We can go to 183 countries without a visa.
Stellantis is based in the Netherlands...The Brampton plant isn't coming back until the tariffs are eliminated. It is pretty clear they won't absorb them and sell vehicles at a loss.
Make no mistake -- Stellantis' is still taking a hit by moving manufacturing of the Compass from Brampton, ON to Belvidere, IL. In a tariff-free world, auto manufacturing tends to have lower costs in Canada than it does in the US. So by moving manufacturing to Belvidere, Stellantis is still getting hit with higher manufacturing costs than they would have if there wasn't any tariffs, and they stayed in Canada to produce those Compasses.
The Compass is supposed to be a more affordable car for consumers, with lower profit margins for Stellantis. So it was important for Stellantis to build it at a lower manufacturing costs. But now the tariffs have screwed that up. And guess who will be paying for that more expensive Compass?
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The whole world has gone down a road no one can recover from, and it's nothing to do with governments, it's because so much of the general public is so fucking stupid.
Make no mistake -- Stellantis' is still taking a hit by moving manufacturing of the Compass from Brampton, ON to Belvidere, IL. In a tariff-free world, auto manufacturing tends to have lower costs in Canada than it does in the US. So by moving manufacturing to Belvidere, Stellantis is still getting hit with higher manufacturing costs than they would have if there wasn't any tariffs, and they stayed in Canada to produce those Compasses.
The Compass is supposed to be a more affordable car for consumers, with lower profit margins for Stellantis. So it was important for Stellantis to build it at a lower manufacturing costs. But now the tariffs have screwed that up. And guess who will be paying for that more expensive Compass?
Dude it’s insane all my electronics got 30% more expensive
Especially my power banks
PP getting a lot of shit (deservedly so) for saying the RCMP covered up Trudeau era scandals.
It truly does seem like PP is a one trick pony at this point - he's really leaning into misinformation and screeching rather than try to present himself and the party as an alternative to the Liberals. You'd think that after a pretty crushing defeat that there'd be a little bit of self-reflection and some revised talking points but it's the same old shit.
I'm very curious to see how he gets through the leadership review - is this how he's decided he'll make it? It's obvious the knives are out for him, Harper era folks are calling him out and he doesn't have the support of folks like Ford.
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If he isn't ousted, the party isn't listening to the public, which wouldn't be all that surprising considering he was picked to lead in the first place.
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Westopher is correct.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
I'm very curious to see how he gets through the leadership review - is this how he's decided he'll make it? It's obvious the knives are out for him, Harper era folks are calling him out and he doesn't have the support of folks like Ford.
The leadership review in January is gonna be really interesting. On one hand, political analysts are still thinking he'll most likely come out winning, or at least survive the review on the premise that:
- there seem to be no one challenging him for the party leader role at this point
- the Cons have won many more seats compared to 2021
At the same time, grumblings from the old guard and other factions within the Cons have now come to the surface. So I really don't know how things would play out.
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The whole world has gone down a road no one can recover from, and it's nothing to do with governments, it's because so much of the general public is so fucking stupid.
But they do. Bambu labs printers are cheaper in Canada then the US . The US did not even get the new P2S printer. Bambu is probably the largest producer of 3D printers for a good reason.
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A top aide to former Conservative prime minister Stephen Harper, for example, wrote in an op-ed in the Toronto Star that Poilievre’s statements demonstrated “recklessness” and “a leadership approach that remains rooted in grievance rather than governance.”
That perfectly sums up most of us here in regards to PP's stance to things.
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