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Originally Posted by Jmac  The condition is that if the Canucks make the playoffs this year, Tampa Bay receives the Canucks’ 2020 1st round pick. If the Canucks do not make the playoffs this year, Tampa Bay receives the Canucks’ 2021 1st round pick.
There’s no lottery protection on the 2021 pick should the Canucks miss the playoffs in each of the next 2 seasons. | Ah thanks for clarifying!
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06-23-2019, 04:58 PM
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Under normal circumstances, this would seem like an okay trade, but it's the fact that TB is up against the cap and NEEDS to get rid of Miller that makes this trade seem like an over-payment by JB. The leafs gave up a first to get rid of Marleau because they couldn't afford to keep him and yet TB gets a first and a third when they need to get rid of Miller? I know Miller and Marleau are at completely different points in their careers, but the compensation difference shouldn't be that drastically different imo.
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Originally Posted by F3 Under normal circumstances, this would seem like an okay trade, but it's the fact that TB is up against the cap and NEEDS to get rid of Miller that makes this trade seem like an over-payment by JB. The leafs gave up a first to get rid of Marleau because they couldn't afford to keep him and yet TB gets a first and a third when they need to get rid of Miller? I know Miller and Marleau are at completely different points in their careers, but the compensation difference shouldn't be that drastically different imo. | Exactly Tampa Bay was in a vulnerable position and we didnt take advantage of them at all. Even if u dont even factor that in, i still give the slight edge to Tampa winning this trade. But whats done is done. Hopefully Miller does well
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06-23-2019, 05:54 PM
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20 other teams could have tried to take advantage and JB offered what he was comfortable offering to land Miller’s services. He’s also in job preservation mode. It is what it is at least Miller’s a skater.
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06-23-2019, 05:58 PM
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To be fair, the issue with Marleau is that he wants to go back to SJ. So the only teams who would be interested in him are the ones who want the Cap hit and can afford to buy him out. Since you still need to actually spend money to buy him out, you need a sweetener from Toronto.
Whereas for Miller, you're giving up assets to get a sure thing (in that he's contractually tied for a few more years at reasonable cap hit). I'm willing to bet there were plenty of teams willing to pay for Miller, and we had to give more than what everyone else was offering. Maybe everyone else was offering a 2nd instead of a 1st. Or there was a better team than us who was also offering a 1st which is likely a lower 1st than us.
It's a calculated risk. Let's face it, we've been out of the playoffs for half the decade. If this rebuild still doesn't get us back into the playoffs these next two seasons, the rebuild is a failure. So if the expectation is that we will be back in the race, then i'm okay with this.
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06-23-2019, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by F3 Under normal circumstances, this would seem like an okay trade, but it's the fact that TB is up against the cap and NEEDS to get rid of Miller that makes this trade seem like an over-payment by JB. The leafs gave up a first to get rid of Marleau because they couldn't afford to keep him and yet TB gets a first and a third when they need to get rid of Miller? I know Miller and Marleau are at completely different points in their careers, but the compensation difference shouldn't be that drastically different imo. | How do you actually know TB is up against the cap? Are you a cap expert? According to capfriendly, currently TB has 10.6 MIL in cap space and that is not including the 5.8 M for Ryan Callahan. Since I'm no cap expert, I'm not sure if that can now come off their cap. If it can, they would have over 16.4 million in cap space. Say they still had Miller, so subtract 5.25M, that would leave em with over 11 million to play with. That's more than enough to pay Point. I don't see them paying Point more than Stamkos who's at 8.5 million. TB didn't trade Miller to clear his cap, they traded him simply cuz they don't need him to win. TB ran away during the regular season. They would've with or without Miller on the team. So why not save that money? If you ask me, they need that cap space to resign Vasilevskiy who has one more year after this year and he's gonna get a huge raise. TB is a professional hockey team, not a peewee team. You don't think they budget stuff like this out way before hand?
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06-23-2019, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Blah_Teggie How do you actually know TB is up against the cap? Are you a cap expert? According to capfriendly, currently TB has 10.6 MIL in cap space and that is not including the 5.8 M for Ryan Callahan. Since I'm no cap expert, I'm not sure if that can now come off their cap. If it can, they would have over 16.4 million in cap space. Say they still had Miller, so subtract 5.25M, that would leave em with over 11 million to play with. That's more than enough to pay Point. I don't see them paying Point more than Stamkos who's at 8.5 million. TB didn't trade Miller to clear his cap, they traded him simply cuz they don't need him to win. TB ran away during the regular season. They would've with or without Miller on the team. So why not save that money? If you ask me, they need that cap space to resign Vasilevskiy who has one more year after this year and he's gonna get a huge raise. TB is a professional hockey team, not a peewee team. You don't think they budget stuff like this out way before hand? | They only have 10.6 because the 5.25 from Miller has already moved off their cap. They only had 5.35 to sign Point with Miller still on the roster.
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06-23-2019, 11:05 PM
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capfriendly also tells you they have 3 other RFAs and 2 UFAs. obviously that capspace would be needed for a number of players, not just Point.
that's like looking at Canucks right now and saying we have 17 mil to sign Boeser  | |
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06-23-2019, 11:22 PM
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$10.627M with 16/23 players and still need to re-sign Point, who is coming off a 92-point season.
And that’s after trading Miller.
I won’t get into the LTIR thing because it’s after midnight and I work in the morning but the short of it is Callahan and his $5.8M cap hit have to be on the 23-man cap compliant roster that is submitted the day before the season begins (assuming Tampa Bay doesn’t find a taker for his contract). On day 1 of the season, they can place him on LTIR and gain cap relief up to his AAV.
Even if 6 of the other guys come in at league minimum $0.700M ($4.2M total), that only leaves $6.427M to sign Point. Prior to the Miller trade, it would’ve been $1.877M.
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06-24-2019, 01:11 PM
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Heard over the weekend that #Canucks & #Blackhawks had discussed swapping the 3rd and 10th overall picks so Vancouver could jump up to get Bowen Byram, but Chicago wanted Van to take D Brent Seabrook and the remaining 5 years/$6.875M AAV on his contract. Thus the deal died.
| That is a lot of cap space to eat for 5 years. Canucks should be a playoff team before then.
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06-24-2019, 02:18 PM
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Wow... spending $35 mill to jump up 7 spts in the draft... as a fan, dare to dream... as Aquilini? No thanks.........
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06-24-2019, 04:35 PM
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I think I see why they want to make this move and aim for the playoffs. I feel like they are in a position where Petey and Hughes are in their ELC, Bo in a good contract, and Boeser the only guy who's going to cost $6+.
With the going rate of RFA's getting big money and Hayes $7+ deal, I think they don't want to fall into an Oiler's situation and wasted McDavid's ELC years.
Oilers traded for Talbot and Reinhart and signed Sekera after drafting McDavid.
Following year, traded Hall for Larsson, signed Lucic.
Following year, traded Eberle.
Basically Edmonton in the 3 years of McDavid's ELC, they couldn't find him a winger except for Draisaitl (imo but they keep playing him C), they can't build defence group rdy for the playoffs, and they can't find a consistent goalie to win games for them.
I feel we have better situation, we have Boeser who has chemistry with Petey, secondary centre in Bo, 3rd and 4th line C in Sutter / Gaudette / Beagle.
It some way, it sort of completes our top 6 with Miller in. Just how are we going to rebuild our top 6 d core is another question. Edler / Tanev / Hughes ....?
I like the trade but hated the price. It's a risk but I don't get how they were able to take advantage of Toronto in the Leivo trade but they failed to take advantage of Tampa with this trade? Unless we don't see what goes on behind the scenes, it's hard to say?
Maybe NHL rigged it? Gotta continue to save southern hockey teams at all cost!
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06-24-2019, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys That is a lot of cap space to eat for 5 years. Canucks should be a playoff team before then. | Apparently on twitter, some other reporter said this wasn't true?
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06-24-2019, 05:36 PM
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We shouldn't forget, we struggled all season long to find someone who could consistently play with Bo. Adding Miller will hopefully alleviate that to a degree.
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06-24-2019, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Blah_Teggie How do you actually know TB is up against the cap? Are you a cap expert? According to capfriendly, currently TB has 10.6 MIL in cap space and that is not including the 5.8 M for Ryan Callahan. Since I'm no cap expert, I'm not sure if that can now come off their cap. If it can, they would have over 16.4 million in cap space. Say they still had Miller, so subtract 5.25M, that would leave em with over 11 million to play with. That's more than enough to pay Point. I don't see them paying Point more than Stamkos who's at 8.5 million. TB didn't trade Miller to clear his cap, they traded him simply cuz they don't need him to win. TB ran away during the regular season. They would've with or without Miller on the team. So why not save that money? If you ask me, they need that cap space to resign Vasilevskiy who has one more year after this year and he's gonna get a huge raise. TB is a professional hockey team, not a peewee team. You don't think they budget stuff like this out way before hand? |  Wtf is Benning doing???
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06-24-2019, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by F3 | Making room for Gardiner and/or Myers is my guess, in which case, why not trade Hutton’s rights?
Sportsnet guys seem to think he’s demanding $4.5M/year, which means he likely has trade value ...
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06-24-2019, 09:38 PM
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It doesn't mean Canucks are ditching Hutton just because they're not qualifying him. It simply means that the Canucks and Hutton will likely work out a deal without having to go through arbitration. It's much easier to create a workable dialogue when you're not facing each other with an arbitrator and essentially talking shit about each other to drive the price up/down.
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06-25-2019, 01:10 PM
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That 2013 draft, Lazar Rychel and Hartman didn't get QO from their teams.
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surprisingly Goldobin was given a qualifying offer. some of you will be happy to hear Gaunce was not qualified lol.
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06-25-2019, 05:40 PM
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Gaunce was a solid 4th liner. Not a huge loss but don't really understand why he wasn't given a spot last year.
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Originally Posted by Jmac Gaunce was a solid 4th liner. Not a huge loss but don't really understand why he wasn't given a spot last year. | I can give you $1.9 million reasons why. Lol
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Roberto Luongo announces retirement and Canucks going to get hit with recapture penalty, 3 million against the cap for the next 3 years.
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Dim Jim has his work cut out for him with the cap recapture kicking in for 3 straight years -gotta find a way to get new contracts needed for Boeser and later Petey.
-wonder if Dim Jim should seriously consider asking his blueberry boss about buying out Loui's contract:
-would save about 2.5 million US in cap room in season 2021/2022. https://canucksarmy.com/2019/05/17/w...out-look-like/
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