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SkinnyPupp 06-11-2020 03:49 PM

Capitol Hill in Seattle is currently occupied, with no police in sight. Some of the occupiers have guns. It appears to be peaceful, with no looting or rioting, but a lot of statements in chalk and graffiti

Interesting to see what happens from here. Trump already threatened them with military action, but Seattle isn't budging. It's peaceful, but it's beyond a protest. They actually shut down a major part of the city.

My question is: Will other cities start doing this now? If every major city has a large occupation like this, that is quite an advancement from marching protests. What happens in the cities with more violent cops, like NYC?

MG1 06-11-2020 03:59 PM

Some people vandalized the statue of Captain George Vancouver. Wow. Was he somehow racist, too? I bet he was. OR.......... he represents the white man - England or one of them Euro countries.

We should all give up technology and go back to living in huts and living off the land. We should go back to the times before the white man came. Hell, why not just burn all the books. First Nations people did not have written language, so history was told through stories. Let's go one step further and blow up the whole planet. Start all over.

Funny thing is, it'll still end up the same way. WHY? Because there'd be no history to learn from. We burned all the fucking books!

SkinnyPupp 06-11-2020 04:18 PM

Nobody's looking to wipe away the history of colonialism. Without it, we wouldn't have a great country like Canada right? Hong Kong has an atrocious history of how it was created. Nonetheless, it ended up being a great home for many until 1997. Look at all the amazing countries in the Caribbean. That all came out of colonialism and slavery though. South America - same. Singapore, India, etc. All these countries that people call home.

So history obviously NEEDS to be taught (probably in a less biased way. I'm sure we all remember lessons on Europeans "discovering" the "New World". )

I think it's bad to glorify colonialism and slavery though. Get rid of Captain George and replace him with someone who affected positivity without the goal of conquering land and displacing people.

MG1 06-11-2020 04:22 PM

The point I was getting at............

Wiping out any history deprives everybody of the lessons we need to learn. It's good that dialog has started to address the issue, but at the same time, it's bringing out all the nut jobs.

Progress.......... we need positive progress. Build, not destroy.


I was going to say put aside differences, but that's what makes us who we are. Anyway, I'm getting a headache, lol.


EDIT: one of the reasons I love watching Star Trek -- There's still hope for mankind.............

Wait, go where no man has gone before -- glad they changed it to where no one has gone before. Still nice uniforms for the women. Yes, I'm a pig. Aren't all men?

SkinnyPupp 06-11-2020 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MG1 (Post 8989601)
The point I was getting at............

Wiping out any history deprives everybody of the lessons we need to learn. It's good that dialog has started to address the issue, but at the same time, it's bringing out all the nut jobs.

Nobody is wiping out history, they're wiping out the glorification of colonialism and slavery

MG1 06-11-2020 04:31 PM

I won't admit, then, that I'm a bit of an Empire Loyalist, hee hee.......

SkinnyPupp 06-11-2020 04:43 PM


They still need to charge those three cops who killed her.

CivicBlues 06-12-2020 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 8989593)
Capitol Hill in Seattle is currently occupied, with no police in sight. Some of the occupiers have guns. It appears to be peaceful, with no looting or rioting, but a lot of statements in chalk and graffiti

Interesting to see what happens from here. Trump already threatened them with military action, but Seattle isn't budging. It's peaceful, but it's beyond a protest. They actually shut down a major part of the city.

My question is: Will other cities start doing this now? If every major city has a large occupation like this, that is quite an advancement from marching protests. What happens in the cities with more violent cops, like NYC?

Sounds like they're trying to start their own Paris Commune albeit much smaller scale. And we all know how that ended....

Well, maybe not all of us, but here's a primer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune

mikemhg 06-12-2020 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 8989606)
https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1271231317578002432

They still need to charge those three cops who killed her.

This is big, Louisville carries population of about 23% blacks, yet 80% of the no-knock search warrants were made on black households, which is fucking insane.

If you've ever watched a video on how these no-knock search warrants are made, you'd be shocked at how cruel, and frankly jarring it is to watch.

More often then not, nothing is ever found, yet the cops will confiscate money, leaving the owner of the house having to pay for all the damage made to doors, windows, etc.

It's unconstitutional, and should be rolled back in every state/county.

GGnoRE 06-12-2020 11:14 AM

This is a powerful essay penned anonymously by a UC Berkeley professor arguing against the current narratives of racial injustice underpinning the BLM movement. I am not denying that racism (or white-supremacy) exists and as a person of color, I have personally experienced blatant racism in Canada (from both whites and blacks). With that said, this professor raises a lot of critical facts that I was not aware of which made me think... for many of us who are vehemently supporting the BLM movement, how many of us have actually investigated this topic thoroughly, actively seeking for arguments from both sides? If you think you have, try refuting some of the questions raised in this prof's essay (in bold). In the current climate that we're in, its either you hop-on full onboard (easy to do), or you better keep your mouth shut as there is very little room for debating. Again, I don't agree with everything on that's written in this essay, but I certainly don't have answers to most of his arguments either.

UC Berkeley History Professor's Open Letter Against BLM, Police Brutality and Cultural Orthodoxy

Spoiler!

Manic! 06-12-2020 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GGnoRE (Post 8989671)
This is a powerful essay penned anonymously by a UC Berkeley professor


And how do we know this person is a professor? According to this, the person works at UK Berkely.



https://uncoverdc.com/2020/06/12/uc-...ral-orthodoxy/


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I can confirm that the letter in the thread below was sent to me and Tom Sowell. It's really worth reading, in a time of widespread panic. https://twitter.com/tracybeanz/statu...19776606687233
Tracy Beanz @tracybeanz

Thread: I was sent this and felt the need to thread it here on Twitter. It will be long. It is purported to be an anonymous, open letter from a professor at UK Berkeley in the History Department. The only comment I will make is to say it is worth every moment of the read.

SkinnyPupp 06-12-2020 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GGnoRE (Post 8989671)
This is a powerful essay penned anonymously by a UC Berkeley professor arguing against the current narratives of racial injustice underpinning the BLM movement. I am not denying that racism (or white-supremacy) exists and as a person of color, I have personally experienced blatant racism in Canada (from both whites and blacks). With that said, this professor raises a lot of critical facts that I was not aware of which made me think... for many of us who are vehemently supporting the BLM movement, how many of us have actually investigated this topic thoroughly, actively seeking for arguments from both sides? If you think you have, try refuting some of the questions raised in this prof's essay (in bold). In the current climate that we're in, its either you hop-on full onboard (easy to do), or you better keep your mouth shut as there is very little room for debating. Again, I don't agree with everything on that's written in this essay, but I certainly don't have answers to most of his arguments either.

UC Berkeley History Professor's Open Letter Against BLM, Police Brutality and Cultural Orthodoxy

Spoiler!

Thanks for bolding the shitty logical fallacies, so we don't have to read all that LUL

birddog3k 06-12-2020 02:13 PM


SkinnyPupp 06-12-2020 03:12 PM

First Minneapolis, now Denver


They've been trying to get this changed for a while now.

whitev70r 06-12-2020 03:25 PM

Regardless of whether you agree with a point of view or not, I think you should be open to hearing it and reading it. Democracy and free speech isn't what you just think is right. Whether the person is a professor at Berkeley or not is secondary, the person's questions should be taken at face value, it shouldn't be weighted more if he has degrees behind his name or Joe on the street.

This is why I think Skinnydawg constantly disqualifies himself as a mod, not only in this thread but in the HK protest one and the Canadian politics one. Your dismissive attitude is getting old and tiring.

twitchyzero 06-12-2020 03:51 PM

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Floyd was a multiple felon who once held a pregnant black woman at gunpoint. He broke into her home with a gang of men and pointed a gun at her pregnant stomach. He terrorized the women in his community. He sired and abandoned multiple children, playing no part in their support or upbringing, failing one of the most basic tests of decency for a human being. He was a drug-addict and sometime drug-dealer, a swindler who preyed upon his honest and hard-working neighbors.
:fuckthatshit: if true

bobbinka 06-12-2020 04:19 PM


SkinnyPupp 06-12-2020 04:50 PM

More platitudes, or is NFL actually changing their corporate culture? :considered:


Manic! 06-12-2020 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 8989701)
:fuckthatshit: if true

and the cop who killed him had been reprimanded 19 times and in the prosses of his second divorce. I wonder why they left him.

Dirtying the victim is standard in the states. Remember when they tried to dirty Travon martin? The used pics of other black people and claimed it was him.

https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/...al-512x512.jpg

underscore 06-12-2020 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 8989701)
:fuckthatshit: if true

What's your point?

Jmac 06-12-2020 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 8989701)
:fuckthatshit: if true

Even if it were true, cops are not judge, jury, and executioner. Every person has a right to due process and is to be considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. It’s a basic human right as per the UN and it’s in the constitution of almost every country on Earth including the US.

twitchyzero 06-12-2020 07:55 PM

i get that he was the last straw for the movement

never said police brutality is fine but click into like 9000 other threads here and you'll also find 'justice system is a joke, slap on the wrist and they'll be back out'

MarkyMark 06-12-2020 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 8989718)
i get that he was the last straw for the movement

never said police brutality is fine but click into like 9000 other threads here and you'll also find 'justice system is a joke, slap on the wrist and they'll be back out'

In Canada the justice system is a joke in a lot of circumstances. That has nothing to do with police it has to do with the judicial system. Not sure how this applies to what's going on in the States.

twitchyzero 06-12-2020 09:23 PM

law enforcement includes courts and jails

there's been a series of large scale demonstrations in vancouver so it's all applicable

welfare 06-12-2020 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jmac (Post 8989717)
Even if it were true, cops are not judge, jury, and executioner. Every person has a right to due process and is to be considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. It’s a basic human right as per the UN and it’s in the constitution of almost every country on Earth including the US.

They aren't. And no one is arguing that.
But he's certainly not the saint that the media are making him out to be.

A criminal background is often all an officer has to gauge the level of threat they may face by an assailant. especially one who's 6'6" and high on fentanyl and methamphetamine.
It's definitely not a justification. But it's an important detail that, had the media a shred of integrity, would have reported.


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