Great video and I thought it was a very good thought experiment. Only issue is if you average out a campus, amount of work/effort has a direct link to grade. Whereas wage/wealth does not always have a direct link to how hard your job is.

I highly doubt a lot of my upper management at corporate who make 500k a year (I’m not saying their job is easy) literally work 9x harder than I do in an 8 hour day. Same goes for those grades.

Edit: often I think of peoples life choices and wage. You have some people working crazy hard like a landscaper making dirt money (heheh) but busts their body every day. Or you could be a janitor and also make pennies.... or be a janitor on an oil rig and still pull 90k a year. I know I’m rambling but my point is nothing is black or white

Innocent until proven guilty is a major thing that social justice warriors seem to have no time for. I was listening to some of my friends talk about the MeToo movement and one of them, a self-described and proud SJW, said we should imprison any of the accused sexual abusers until proven innocent. Sure, some innocent men may be imprisoned, but that's a small price to pay. Me ... :fulloffuck:

The existing cancel culture is complete BS and needs to be reigned the fuck in big time.

As for your socialism stuff, market capitalism has been a thing for over a century and still maintains the profit motive. That story is also fabricated according to Snopes. It's just straight up right-wing propaganda.

I think we all know a lot of people who worked in the oil industry between 2005-2015 and most people who had low-end jobs weren't making bank because of their hourly wage, they were doing so because of the amount of overtime worked. That clearly hasn't been the case for a few years. No janitor is getting $90k/year in the oil fields these days.

While I agree that kind of crap has to go, it's hardly new. Witch hunts and lynch mobs were a thing and they never really died out in peoples mindset.

i guess we'll find out what happened soon enough. I'm sure there are cameras covering every inch of that vicinity.

So who here thinks O.J. Simpson is inoccent?

Remember the U.S. president does not believe innocent till proven guilty.

Have you guys seen this?


This is messed up. Police claim they tased him and shot rubber bullets first before killing him. It sounds like B.S. It all happens in 5 seconds.

Ahhh... I had in my mind that someone would bring OJ up.

You know the thing about that case? It's a clear example that WHY the US law still works. That's why I specifically put "beyond reasonable doubts".

Criminal law 101... you'd rather let 100 murderers roam free, then put 1 innocent in jail.

OJ got away because his lawyer was so good that he created that reasonable doubt that's needed to get him out of the accusation.

Nevertheless, as Jmac has mentioned on his friend... is putting innocent people in jail a "reasonable cost"?

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For anyone following the BLM movement, I really want to share this video with you.


Yeah, I know it's Fox, but really, I'm not a Tucker's fan and I had to agree to his comments.

IMO, BLM movement... at this stage is no longer about racial equality. They are just using this "movement" or the way that people are feeling right now to justify all the bad things.

And looking back at comments here... where I had some good exchanges back and forth with many... I have to really ask myself, all these points that we were discussing... are they even a part of BLM anymore. If not... is saying "I don't support BLM" or "I support BLM" even mean the same thing still?

Is BLM still fighting to address "systematic racism"... or are they becoming opportunists... given all the power the public gave them, to do what they (as personal agenda) want and no longer about racism anymore.

I am stopping to think for a while, I hope all you guys here do too.

How do you fight something that's stacked against you and doesn't recognize you without banding together and overthrowing it or resorting to, well, mutiny? What you expect black people to do? File complaints with their local representatives who see nothing wrong with anything they're doing because perpetuation of society as it existed benefits them the most?

Do some people get carried away and start selfishly taking personal agendas into it? Sure! But so did all the oppressors... it was just... "legal" for them to because they built the system in the first place.

*edit* this is the first time I've ever seen Fucker Carlson without a bow-tie. I hope his tie gets caught in a paper shredder and takes the rest of him with it.

Over 100 people shot in Chicago over the weekend. 14 dead. 5 of them youth. One a three year old.

Good thing they didn't find any nooses or white perpetrators. Could have been a real tragedy.
https://abc7.com/chicago-shooting-th...-shot/6259880/

This young girls tragic death last week reached national coverage, protests, and a $25k reward....when they thought the perpetrator was white.
Of course after it was found to be just another senseless killing by the fellas, nobody cared.
https://www.indeonline.com/news/2020...ted-police-say

^ don't agree much with welfare nor his subtle innuendos but all that aside for the moment, the two posts above .. kinda makes you take a step back and realize how effed the US is ... the kind of killings in the streets of big US cities is friggin unbelievable!

re: tucker's video, is this level of violence just local to the US? other parts of the world are also standing up and at least in vancouver protests appear to be peaceful, sparking discussions on recognition and policy change at various levels of government, which i think is the entire point

and yes the US does seem pretty messed up

I know people getting triggered by the joe Rogan podcast lately, but his latest interview with Jocko brings up tones of good Points as to why defunding the police is a bad idea and likely will end in either new police forces being formed anyways. Or areas where the defunding happens being overrun with crime.

Just because a crime isn’t a violent one doesn’t mean it does not require police. Have fun with petty and property crime without police around. Vancouver itself looking like a fucking cesspool downtown these days and frankly therapists and social assistance ain’t gonna be solving that anytime soon.

1 - Scream and demand to defund the police across the world through protests.
2 - Crime rates may go up in certain areas with criminals well knowing the police are underfunded.
3 - The same people who screamed and cried to defund the police are now screaming and crying that the police because people are being killed, it takes 30 minutes for a response time, and the police not caring because of their ethnicity.
4 - Start a new protest and demand a better police force.

People will complain regardless of the outcome.

^That's exactly what we want, the forming of new forces, a complete restruturing.

"Defund" is somewhat of a misnomer here, it really means restructure.

I implore you to take a look at what Camden did with their force.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-what-n1231677

I truly believe that for many of these forces, passing reforms simply won't work, the rot is so inherently deep on all levels that an entire clean out and rehiring is required.

Since we're on a car enthusiast site, think of it as a BMW V10, with leaks out of every orifice. Sure, you can rebuild the damn thing, knowing damn well it will break down yet again after the rebuild. Or you can just junk the whole thing and start new. These "reforms" are simply rebuilds on a already broken engine (many of these forces).

Sometimes an entire clear out and restructuring is required.

I love how racist "right-wingers" love to bring up Chicago, welfare has made this argument a thousand times on this forum, and I've heard it parroted from every right-wing wack job on the internet.

How is the murder rate in Chicago a viable argument about systemic racism? If anything the murder rate in Chicago is a direct result of racist policies. Do these people who mention Chicago even know its history?

https://digitalcommons.iwu.edu/cgi/v...t=econ_honproj

""White flight" historically described the movement of white residents out of the city into the suburbs, in response to black residents moving into their neighborhoods. In Chicago, some neighborhoods, like North Lawndale on the city's West Side and Englewood on the city's South Side, flipped from mostly white to mostly black within a decade."

"Whether exacerbated by gangs or guns, though, Chicago’s killings are happening on familiar turf: Its poor, extremely segregated neighborhoods on the South and West Sides. And many say that is Chicago’s real violence issue."

Chicago has a real issue with gangs. If you know the history of gangs, they are formed generally when a community carries dangers, as a method of protecting oneself.

These communities through racist policies have created variable economic wastelands in Chicago, creating these dangerous communities where gangs have been able to flourish.

Statistically crimes are committed to those within your community, to those closest to you, hence why black kids are shooting black kids. This cycle of violence is a one that is completely disconnected to any BLM movement or topic of this discussion, I do not understand how some folks try to correlate the two.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rhovo1215_sum.pdf

During 2012-15, the rate of white-on-white violent crime (12.0 per 1,000 white persons) was about four times higher than black-on-white violent crime (3.1 per 1,000). The rate of black-on-black violent crime (16.5 per 1,000 black persons) was more than five times higher than white-on-black violent crime (2.8 per 1,000). The rate of Hispanic-on-Hispanic violent crime (8.3 per 1,000 Hispanic persons) was about double the rate of white-on-Hispanic (4.1 per 1,000) and black-on-Hispanic (4.2 per 1,000) violent crime. As with violent crime, the rates of serious violent crime and simple assault were higher for intraracial victimizations than interracial victimizations.

TLDR: We hurt those closest to us, Chicago is a by-product of an economic desert within certain suburban areas, with a cycle of violence that continues to propagate. If anything Chicago should be used as an example of how bad things have gotten, and how the government has ignored these communities for far too long.

I guarantee you if investment was made, job creation, better schools (Chicago has some of the worst public schools in the country), you would see these communities turn around. There is no doubt culpability within the community as well, there is no shortage of internal community efforts to stop the violence, but as with the police forces, an entire restructuring economically in these communities is required to fix this violence problem.

Very cool story of change. I've been to Camden and recognize some of the neighbourhoods in the video clip. When I went, it was the #1 murder capital of the US. Progress.

I'm curious, when Al Capone and the Italian mafia were killing each other in Chicago back in the early to mid 1900s, did we cry about having an issue with white on white crime? Or white culture?

Many of those same gangsters were able to end up securing lucrative jobs and no-show jobs for the city of Chicago, many of those same men's families now run the city of Chicago on a political/judicial level.

It's fascinating how crime from one race can be accepted, if not even lionized (see how many beloved mafia movies and stories we watch to this day), and yet for another group, it's that they're lesser people, "trash" people as Trump would like to call them. Suddenly its now an inherent race-wide cultural issue, because blacks "just don't respect each other". :lol

:lol
Black thug culture isn't glamorized?
And you obviously have no idea how Italian immigrants were treated during the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
The biggest lynching in US history was against Italian Americans.
They were pretty much treated as sub human.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_...eans_lynchings

LOL, no my friend the biggest lynching/massacre was actually against blacks in Tulsa, OK.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre

You don't even know your history, you fool.

I'm half Irish myself, the Irish/Italians were considered "niggers" in the 1800s early 1900s, as were the Italians.

I know very well the abuse Italians and the Irish underwent by their English white brethren. Heck, we still use the term Paddy Wagon to this day as a result of the Irish.

Guess what, those atrocities have been addressed, and we're certainly not talking about the 1800s here. Being Italian or Irish nowadays simply means you're white, heck most police and fire departments on the East Coast are predominately Irish/Italian.

I stand by my comments, I have never heard once during the inner-gang murders of the mafia in Chicago, that these killings have ever been insinuated that this is a "white culture" or "white issue" as you allege the current black gang crimes in Chicago.

Why is it when a man is killed by white officer in California, Georgia, Minnesota, Mississippi, you name it, black on black violence in Chicago is brought up as a counter-argument? Explain to me this correlation.

As I said before, that sounds just as stupid as one to insinuate a culture of white violence writ large, using the murders within the Italian mafia in Chicago.

I know it's not an apples to apples comparison, but just look at those regions/neighbourhoods in Italy where the state has retrenched. It has left a vacuum for organized crime to setup shop in an unfettered manner, and in many respects "pick up the slack" the state has left behind by doing things to curry favour with locals (food delivery during COVID, providing jobs...). I am gonna venture a guess that the state is barely engaged in many of those poor, predominantly black communities in the Chicago area. Its to be expected that crime rates rise and many adolescents and young adults turn to crime and/or gangs. And, I don't buy the argument of just putting your head down and going to school and getting good grades to eventually make it out of "the hood". The odds are stacked against many of those young people: single-parent household, parent potentially unemployed or on social assistance, parent not educated, drugs and alcohol rampant...the list goes on.

So the noose was a garage door handle that's been there for a year

https://www.bbc.com/sport/motorsport/53159686

So a noose is purely a symbol of racism? Plenty of whites have been hanged by the noose..

How many have been dragged out of there homes and been hung from a tree.

https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/uANlq...2-19919625.jpg

https://cdnph.upi.com/pv/upi/91db2af...ABCD-FILES.jpg