I think Skinny, you are interpreting social stereotyping as "privilege" from what I can read from you.

Many places, especially in Asia, they see foreigners, white caucasian especially, as a symbol of higher general world hierarchy. The general idea that people from west are better educated (not necessary academically, but the educational approach to promote critical thinking, innovative, original... etc). In HK/JP, they also see them as more advanced in term of "hip" as most major fashion, musical, creative scene in general as the leading force.

So, it's not so much as a privilege, but rather stereotyping. It's just so happen most of the stereotyping toward white are generally positive.

Now, I think racial stereotyping is fucking bullshit, HOWEVER, I must say that for the sake of human race to evolve better, y'all better fucking live up to it.

Peer pressure is a powerful thing. Yes, it can be awful when directed in the wrong direction, but positively, it can have a HUGE impact on our society.

As you said, " the goal should be to bring everyone UP to that level, not to bring anyone DOWN." couldn't have said it better myself.

Why don't we... the society as a whole, focus on what a good old white caucasian family are generally doing to have that stereotyping on EVERYONE, regardless of their race, ethnicity.. etc?

Stop funding social programs that basically encourage single mom. We encourage a simple, healthy, functional family structure... however "normal" that might seem. We encourage kids to study harder (take a lesson from the kinda positive Asian stereotyping... we aren't much smarter, we just study shit tons of more time), we encourage them to participate in sport, to develop habits... etc, etc.

Make EVERYONE "white"... or actually, let me rephrase... "majority" in this society, then I believe in 10-20yrs, we'd have a very different world.

Some nuts would complain this "gentrification", as they always do. And we'd find ways to sustain them, while very much discourage that with eliminating every possible incentive.

I see how you think that is positive. But two people are not the same, labelling them as something they are not creates more divide.
Bringing people up to white lvl worldwide doesnt work.
For example as a white guy in Japan I was assumed American, only a traveller as a foreigner, despised and insulted for apparently being american, considered inpure, held back on job interviews cuz im white and they assumed I couldnt speak the language, pulled over for drug check constantly. etc etc.
I wouldnt want blacks and indians who have it worse in Japan only raise to that level cuz its still bs. It needs to be more than a generic white lvl.
white level shouldnt be the goal. minorities need to aim higher then end up with equality. because as we all know you need to shoot higher because you never get what you originally want

I think your exp. in Japan, as Skinny said, it's the bias against foreigners, or gaijin in general rather than anything else. It would have been mostly the same even for black, white, brown... etc.

Countries with incredible socialism working such as Norway, have basically done just that. They didn't "bleached" everyone to white. They just bring up everyone's perspective and value to be inline of the majority. Their welfare program is so well designed that the gov't would basically pay you for life if you choose not to work and just want to stay home. However, their citizens are educated enough to know that there's better things to do in life and everyone contributing to a better society.

Then you have the opposite happening with the same thing, countries like Venezuela or Argentina... they promised their people with everything without making sure their people understand it's only for those in need. Socialism failed and destroyed their economy, despite the vast resources their countries have.

We are not BLEACHING... we are bringing everyone UP to the SAME in term of overall society's value. Too many in America, predominantly Black, choose to be single mom as the gov't would pay them to stay single rather than a healthy normal family. However, studies have shown that a healthy family structure helps many kids to go on and become successful in life.

Let's LEARN a thing or two about what each culture (as in ethnicity) are doing in order for them to have that positive stereotyping and hope we can generalize that same positive generalization onto other culture.

It's not a race to the bottom to see who is less fortunate. We just try to normalize the general good values in our society onto MORE people.

Where did you read anywhere that someone prefers to be a single mom staying at home? Lol

I think you’re mistaking a complete and utter lack of any choice or options surrounded by failed systems and biased employment and sociological constructs as... preference ?

Smh

LOL yeah, he makes it sound like there's a lineup of black women wanting to be single mothers. I don't even have to know any black single mothers to tell you that exactly none of them want to be in that kind of position.

And why all the emphasis on single parenthood on the cause of failure? Sheesh, I was raised in a de-facto single parent household and turned out perfectly fine (I think...probably :p). There's other factors than just that.

Its just like the rhetoric spouted on here when we have people talking about "people on welfare going and buying a brand new x5 while their parents worked 18 jobs 70 hours a minute to support their families"
People hear one stupid story and then spout it off as some fact that literally defies all logic and reality.

Don't go around saying this in the real world because it's offensive as fuck to many. You can take the liberty to reflect as to why.

It's the strongest predictor of criminality. Surpassing race, and even gender.
I think something like 85% of all inmates grew up in a single parent home.
When controlling for the factor of fatherlessness, differences in crime rates between black and white disappear.

There are a tonne of thorough articles linking fatherlessness and single parent homes to all sorts of consequential statistics.

What percentage of single-family households result in criminality? Poverty probably a significant predictor in whether or not households remain together. Remember correlation =/= causation.

Whelp I guess it's just a matter of time before I knock over a liquor store.

You can't ignore the correlation.
Here's just a random article with three dozen negative statistics.
Pretty hard to explain away.
https://lifeisbeautiful.org/statisti...herless-homes/

I bet you 100% of the people in those prisons grew up in piss poor households... that’s the actual problem

A reasonable correlation would be that I’m sure many people who grew up in single parent households were
A) poor
B) had less parental interaction
C) grew up in neighbourhoods with higher crime rates

It stems from inequality.

https://lifeisbeautiful.org/ LOL!!!!!! The sites you visit man. FailFish

wut.
gaijin is a derogatory term btw. means outside people aka not one of us. its literally telling them they arent accepted

bias against foreigner.. aka bias against people who are not the majority, those who seek equality. is that not what is being fought about in america? is it okay in an asian country but not a white controlled one?

even if you are born in japan(for example) if you have white, black, darker tan you automatically become non japanese to people similar to how it is in many western countries.

also norway put miniroties above majority. its good, but now they need equal it out as its creatjng some problems

And do you not believe that a single parent household is more likely to cause both A and B?
The ability to spread the weight of responsibility across two parents inevitably alleviates both.
That fact should be patently obvious.

With proper social programs, A can be eliminated, which in turn eliminates B.

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Uh yeah. That was the point.
The other point is that a wealthy kid growing up in a good neighbourhood in a single family household who’s parent has time for them is far less likely to have problems growing up.
Single income household is likely to cause poverty
Poverty and lack of opportunitiy is likely to cause behavioural problems than dad not being around.

I just want to say to all the guys reading this: anyone can be a father figure and role model

Even with two parents, that doesn’t mean the dad isn’t shitty or vacant for their children. I’m sure we all have friends with kids or even relatives (cousins, nieces etc). Often you’ll never even know it, but you could be the person a child looks up to. Take that role with pride and always be mindful of the impact you could have.

It amazes me how Hehe parrots every single right-wing talking point when on the topic of race. Not surprising in how he posts videos from Fox News on this very topic.

What's facinating here is that this same argument has been made going back to the 1960's and prior. Black women have always been demonized in America.

Daniel Patrick Moynihan made a similar demonization of the black family back in 1965, quoting "A community that allows a large number of young men to grow up in broken families, dominated by women, never acquiring any stable relationship to male authority . . . that community asks for and gets chaos."

Whenever this idea is expounded, there is little connection made to economic reasoning. Does Hehe understand that black women are the primary income earners in the majority of black households? That is a complete reverse on the dynamic within the white household. How that cannot be realized as a major connection as per why these single parental households exist is beyond me. That is a very clear indicator of the income disparity between black and white men, which clearly affects a family dynamic when comparing the two.

https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-marri...-fragile-today

"a majority of middle- and upper-class Americans are married, whereas only a minority of working-class Americans are married."

So we know, quite clearly the major economic deficit the black community experiences in wealth in relation to the white population in America. We also know that the poor and working-class, a major disparity in marriage.

Thus is seems like such a no brainier that the black family household has a much higher tendency of single-parent homes. Simple economics. Yet somehow, these old school eugenics based arguments continue to prevail that the black family is somehow substandard, or carries some sort of diminished morals and values as opposed to white families.

I find it very odd that this old and racist argument continues to prevail, when it can be so simply found counterfactual, and be disseminated through basic facts.

More on this subject for your reading:

https://www.city-journal.org/html/bl...ies-12872.html

Almost 70 percent of black children are born to single mothers. Those mothers are far more likely than married mothers to be poor, even after a post-welfare-reform decline in child poverty. They are also more likely to pass that poverty on to their children.

This issue is not a bug, it is a feature, made part by a history of economic genocide and distress disposed on an entire community of people.

Rather then attacking the black family household writ-large, one should look at this as a damning fact of how a community has been so severely subjugated.

The folks that express their utter certainty, understanding, conclusions, and solutions towards systemic problems that have stemmed for decades and decades (many times before they were even born)...also have a hard time dipping their foot into the water to making a change. Instead, you find many of these people sit back in front of their monitor and continue speaking from their high horse, as opposed to working with the very people they speak about. Trust me when I say it isn't as simple as what many believe it to be. We all want everyone to be fully integrated into society. We all want everyone to have a meaningful life...we only have one. But if your solution starts with "it's simple..."...put your money where your mouth is.

This is the exact reason why having a dialogue on a forum they've been posting for years comfortably is difficult when trying to insight and exploration of their thoughts/feelings. It's instinctive for humans to find a sense of comfort and crawl to it but discomfort is the optimal zone for self-development...it is the only place for development. I welcome you to sit in discomfort...actually I encourage you to sit in discomfort...only then can we have a genuine and insightful discussion.

And have you thought about WHY is the reason that poor families, regardless of skin colors, continue this trend?

What is exactly the underlying reason for them to persist in that environment without getting out?

Do we really discriminate them because of color/social status/education? I have met black immigrants from Nigeria, Blazil, Jamaica, South Africa... etc, and they all seem to do fine despite many of them coming from very poor origins. Many of them didn't even finish HS, but that never stopped them from succeeding.

It's not discrimination. It's not education. But determination. They NEVER asked and picked the EASY WAY OUT. They chose the RIGHT way out.

The problem is what are we doing, as a society, to incentivize for them to work their way out of whatever shit they are in?

What is left-wing doing? They promise welfare programs after welfare programs... if you can qualify a welfare program as a single mom but NOT as a married couple, and you are struggling with your life already. Would you not rather stay as a single mom? The welfare system is incentivizing to have a broken societal system.

But why do we do that? Because that gets votes. Poorer families in our society only care about what they can get, not about what they can be. How can they? They are struggling day in and day out to put food on the table. Some times they just don't.

How do you resolve such a problem? By admitting kids from poorer families into elite schools no question asked, by giving people jobs in elite companies regardless of their ability and credentials, all in the name of EQUALITY?

Do you know what happen when you do that? Those people would be fucking traumatized if they aren't prepared for it. Students in elite schools have the resources to go private lessons after school, participate in all sort of extra-curricular programs, and if the poorer family can't afford all that, they'd lack behind of their peers. What are they going to feel when they are already doing their best, but yet they are so far away from their peers?

Same thing with work, a family of mine is an ex-googler, and when I asked him what's like to work at Google, he said... you know when you go to work and you feel that you are working with a bunch of monkeys? Well, at Google, I feel, I'm the monkey.

It's like asking to include a regular Joe in the F1 program and ask him to compete with all the best drivers in the world without carefully planning it.

Hence, what I ask from our society is very simple. Let's NOT incentivize broken behaviors. Let's use models that we know that has been working and incentivize on that. As we discover more and more positive behaviors, we promote those too and eliminate the bad ones.

My wife is a behaviour analyst and design programs that helps struggling kids. And that very principle is also used in corporate environments which they study the ABCs (Antecedents, Behaviours and Consequences) and I'm a strong believer of that too and use that principle in my own startup.

What many of here are suggesting is that the problem is THE SOCIETY.

Fuck no... it's the SYSTEM of choices. You make bad choices, you get bad results. You continue to do bad choices, the cycle would never end. Hence, we need to address the SOURCE of the problem, to give them little to none opportunities to pick bad choices.

Don't come to me with some utopian crap like if we give them opportunity, they will be able to succeed. Fucking BULLSHIT.
In Asian society, if I get a girl pregnant, the first thing I think about is getting married. THAT's the value I grew up to believe. It's my shit... so I take the responsibility. The kid in that belly was never the problem, it's the choice that we, as a man and woman made that's the problem. Knowing that... if I'm not ready to marry the girl, I'd be extra careful when having sex.

I used to own a business and my programmers, some of them contractors I found online. I never knew what their race/ethnicity were. All I knew was their names and their abilities to do work I want them to do. If they can finish it, GREAT! If they can't, I don't care if they are white, black, brown or yellow. He can be a fucking golden unicorn but I won't keep him there as it offers me no value.

Like Terry Crews said... let's not turn Blacklivesmatter into blacklivesbetter. I don't judge a person by their colors, but I certainly won't give preference by their colors either. So, let's bring the fucked up living environment that many Black people or minorities live and work on HOW TO CHANGE THAT.

I respect anyone's choice to continue to live a fucked up live... that's their choice. But let's CHANGE that for people who didn't know they have an OPTION.

Canada is sooooo much better than the US of A
https://globalnews.ca/news/7160399/a...issauga-rally/

Who's there to tell that to the kiddo?

My dad was ALWAYS busy during my life growing up. We'd often go months and even years without seeing each other. But he'd spend his time talking to me and bring me and my brother out for sightseeing whenever he had time. I appreciated that because those conversations and trips filled my childhood memory with my dad.

Without a dad... someone has to ASSUME that role. As an underprivileged mom, who is she supposed to ask to be when most around her are suffering the same problem?

It's EASY for us to say: let's just find this kid a father figure.

It's EASY for us to say: let's just give this kid a chance at elite school

It's EASY for us to say: let's just hang out free money to those people who needs it.

But they are not the RIGHT things to do.

In fact, most of the time, the right things to do don't get done BECAUSE they are HARD to do. But they are the right thing.

For all left-leaning guys here... I support many of your ideas. We want the society to be better, we want to eradicate racism and discrimination, and we want a better world for our kids in the future. I was one before.

But you have to think HARD and REALISTICALLY how to do that in the long term. By handing out a check to someone who's hungry and homeless is the quick and easy way out. That person would go buy some food and get some shelter. But how long would that last? When the money is out, do you take MORE money from those who worked hard to get them so you can continue handing out the money or do you tell those hungry homeless "I gave you enough money to take a chance, you missed it... now fuck off"?

That's why recently I turned my political view from left to right. As I started to be a dad, an employer, and a contributing citizen, I came to realize... like many of those youtube videos surveying kids in college having those grandious visions, that all those ideas that we had when young:

Why my dad can't think like me?

Why my boss can't think like me?

Why those babyboomers can't think like me?

It's because the way we think are NOT realistic! You don't run a family trying to be nice all the time. What kids want to do things they don't want to do?

You don't run a company trying to be nice all the time. The only way for the company to pay those employees wages is that it makes money. And the only way to make money is that its employees get the jobs done in the ways that supposed to be. Because without those controls... there is no order, and there is no planning and there is no growth.

You don't run a society trying to be nice all the time. We HAVE to be hard on people who don't pay or cheat on their taxes. We HAVE to be hard on those who breaks the law, and we HAVE to be hard on our future generations because that's the only way we can maintain the quality and orders of our society.

As a dad... it breaks my heart seeing my son crying because he didn't finish all the works I asked him to do. But if I give him a pass today, he'd expect a pass too when similar things happen again tomorrow. That's not a person I want him to grow to be. He needs to be responsible for his things. No if or buts... however hard that is for him and me.

That same philosophy is what I think about society today. If I be nice to them, give them a pass today... they didn't learn anything. They'd just ask for the same or more next time. What we need is what can we do for them to learn? To have a plan... a handout or a pass because of their race/ethnicity is not a solution. It would simply lead to more hate and discrimination.