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I thought it was more of a figure head/formality with no real powers or responsibility? If that's the case, in my mind the stability and neutrality she provided was just for show? I am truly having a tough time understanding what her role was truly accountable for and what she did so well with that accountability that gets her so much love (and hate)? |
As far as the Canadian perspective is concerned, because Canada is part of the Commonwealth and recognizes the Queen as the Head of State, she -- well, the British monarch, really -- is basically woven into our Canadian constitution. In theory, all of our laws need to be approved (given Royal consent) by the Queen, although the Governor General is her representative in Canada. When news of the Queen being placed under medical supervision came out, there were already more than a few murmurs (here in Canada) whispering how she ought to take the monarchy with her (out of Canada) to her grave. In practice, that is extremely difficult to do because it would require unanimous consent from all provinces and terrorities and basically re-write the Canadian constitution. In the UK, there is of course a lot of ceremonial and official duties that the Queen needed to do. When other world leaders (or important figures for whatever event it may happen to be) attend major events in Britain, the Queen is supposed to act as the host to these guests because it is "her country" they are visiting. Remember the London Olympics, and how the Queen did a video for the opening ceremony with James Bond / Daniel Craig? But this following incident from last year is actually something I like and remember better, and it is from one such event (G7 summit, I think?): The Royal Family as a whole may share some of these duties. In particular, they are supposed to do a lot of charity / humanitarian work. You may recall that Princess Diana was especially well known (and respected) for working / lobbying to have landmines banned internationally. And then there was this really, really well-known photo of Diana shaking hands with an AIDS patient without wearing gloves. It was an absolutely remarkable gesture for the era. https://zdmkdcwjde3qmy1sxutql6lo-wpe...ds-640x461.jpg IIRC, Prince Charles have maintained a strong interest and continual support for green farming. As far as stability is concerned, I would say this one might really only apply to Queen Elizabeth because she has been the reigning monarch for so long. For a ton of people -- probably at least 60 - 70% of the world's population? -- she is the only Queen of Britan that people knew. Politicans come and go, but the Queen has always been a constant. For some people, having that stability is reassuring, esp when she has always been that benevolent leader and public face. Quote:
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Lets see what the queen did. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...private-wealth Revealed: Queen lobbied for change in law to hide her private wealth Quote:
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Unlike Princess Diana as you mentioned wbo did a ton of good with her position with charity and AIDS which in that case I get the adoration for. And also Prince Charles. I'm not curious about the monarchy or the Royal family, just the queen herself. And as for the creation of the laws, I remember that from school but then again it is still mostly a "ceremonial" position and not truly any sort of authority where the Queen herself would actually have lower to decide to make or break laws for Canada. She just kind of gave it her ceremonial blessing but doesn't actually mean anything. Still don't get what Queen Elizabeth specifically actually DID besides being the queen and just living a long time? Like without the actual authority like the PM, is the leadership she merely exemplifies simply because she was appointed the queen and people look up to her? Maybe I just don't get it, but clearly she meant a lot to a lot of people. |
If the crown is a relatively accurate representation of how the Royal family is represented in govt. matters, basically they are consulted and kind of told how things are going to go but don’t have much say in any actual chance or legislation. I know it’s a fictional show but I wouldn’t doubt how they are dealt with there likely isn’t far off from actuality |
We are a constitutional monarchy, so formally, the Queen/King of England gives Royal Assent (final signature/approval) to all laws passed by provincial and federal legislatures. In practice, the monarchy is represented by the Governor General or the Lieutenant-Governor (provinces) and those figures technically represent the British monarch's interests in Canada. Of course in reality, the British monarchy has no real authority over the governance of Canada, particularly once we received our own Constitution in 1982. Nevertheless, that's why the Queen is on our money and that is why we swear allegiance to the Queen/King of England. |
I’d be all for cutting ties with the monarchy if it did nothing more than removing the governor general. |
Cutting ties with the monarchy is a non-starter because that would require an amendment to the Constitution. Who would replace a Governor General with? Unless you're talking a full blown transition from Westminister style of government to a Presidential system, which would require a complete amendment to the Constitution. Amending the Constitution is virtually impossible politically in Canada given the lack of unanimity of the provinces. We tried it twice in the 80s and 90s when there was greater respect among the public for politicians across the country and amongst politicians themselves for institutions. What makes one think it could work today? |
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I wouldn't say the GG / LG are completely useless or powerless. In recent memory, some of the incidents when the GG / LG mattered were the time when Harper asked Michaelle Jean to prorogue government, as well as the feeble attempt that Christy Clark tried to ask the LG to dissolve the government or something so that voters can go to the polls again (bcos Clark / BC Liberals lost). IIRC, I disagreed with Michaelle Jean's decision to grant Harper's wish of proroguing government, and the Christy Clark incident was much easier find a side to support. Bear in mind that the GG / LG are the representative of the Queen here in Canada, but clearly, they don't enjoy the level of respect and admiration that the Queen commands. To try and answer Sonick's question again of why the Queen commands so much admiration and respect from people, I would say her unrelenting dedication to her country is definitely one of the reasons why people admire her. To be actively involved in nothing but public service for nearly 365 days a year for 70 years, and not reveal one ounce of her personal dissatisfaction about any of that work, at least not directly -- even if the things she does are only ceremonial, it deserves a tremendous amount of respect. Not to pick on Harry or anything, but if you look at the grumblings and complaints he has had about being a Royal, and compare that against what the Queen has said, the sense of duty just isn't that same. |
Of course the Governor General doesn't enjoy the same level of respect - they're appointed by prime ministers, whereas the Queen/King serves indefinitely until death or the day they abdicate the throne. The Governor General still retains an important role in our parliamentary system. People accuse the prime minister for having too much power; well, as we have seen at various times in Candian history, the GG has stepped in to curb political actions that are too cynical and manipulative. Take that away and you have a PM who would be completely unchecked. But hey, as long as that PM is not someone named Trudeau, it's all good, right? /s |
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This little Jamaican is 100% right. https://i.cbc.ca/1.6397481.164822336...on-jamaica.jpg https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/nothin...ions-1.6403882 Quote:
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Which province would vote no to removing the monarch from our constitution? I cannot think of a reason why any would ... one of the Atlantic ones? |
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They could sell the queen's crown, and basically give every single person who lives in a former colony $1 million in reparations. |
Yah and Canada should sell all crown lands, every Canadian should sell their house and reparation payment all the first settlers here. Manic’s uncle is gonna have to dig deep, but at least he can collect on the Crown Jewels sale after. Then that harlet Eve, bit the damn Apple and put us all on this infernal rock in the first place… you better believe she’s gonna make reparations… And don’t even get me started on the case the dinosaurs have against unabated climate change and Darwin. Nevermind the plundering of their graves for oil. Trillions! Throw in compound interest and inflation… zillions even! |
^hahahah love it. Can i get some head tax money too?? :awwyeah: |
And America can give California back to the Mexicans... FFS, hang on to the past and you get left behind... you'll never move forward. It's not healthy... |
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https://i.postimg.cc/8k0JMzpt/20220910-215059.jpg Went to my cousin's house to watch the UFC. Brought a bottle of something Irish to celebrate the Queen's death. |
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