SUV drives through Lapu Lapu Day Festival - Fraser & 41st - Multiple Casualties

[Mikoyan]

The barriers at these events are usually the light plastic sawhorse style ones. If someone was serious about ramming it, it would have put up barely any resistance.

Looks like they're going to put up real anti vehicle barriers up now. With 16, you can block off 8 blocks? One on each side street entry? Cov dump trucks and rifle armed cops at other entry points? How are 16 going to be enough for bigger events like Main street's car free day?

[bcrdukes]

I would feel safer if they brought in VPD SWAT to the event and snipers set up around the perimeter. The cherry on top is they should have brain scanners to see who is mentally ill and any triggers that go off, you throw them in jail to make sure they don't offend Hondaracer. Without that, who knows when dark0821 is going to smash your family and friends with his Tesla. These new barriers are ineffective and we need new federal leadership to solve this national crisis.

[pastarocket]

These are the mobile barriers which weigh 320kg each:




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[Badhobz]

Omfg. This isn’t the fucking solution.

The solution is to take away this idiots driver license. Anyone who’s retarded needs to have their driver license taken away, and given a mandatory bright colored football helmet with the word retard on the side of it in big yellow letters and then sent on the number 20 bus.

1) it’ll make all of us laugh
2) they are retarded anyways so they don’t have feelings and aren’t a valid human being anyways
3) save money on pointless barriers

[Qmx323]

but how do you know they're a retarded car murderer, until they demonstrate their retardedness by murdering people with their car?

[Mikoyan]

Originally Posted by pastarocket

These are the mobile barriers which weigh 320kg each:




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So you still don't have enough to block off side streets.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by bcrdukes

I would feel safer if they brought in VPD SWAT to the event and snipers set up around the perimeter. The cherry on top is they should have brain scanners to see who is mentally ill and any triggers that go off, you throw them in jail to make sure they don't offend Hondaracer. Without that, who knows when dark0821 is going to smash your family and friends with his Tesla. These new barriers are ineffective and we need new federal leadership to solve this national crisis.

Finally someone understands crime prevention.

[westopher]

Now that they will do this what's preventing from someone plowing onto the sidewalk after a Canucks game and running over just as many people?
They're solving a problem that wasn't the problem.
Should have spent that money hiring more psychiatric nurses.

[bobbinka]

Where's the pre-crime team when you need it

[Hondaracer]

I have a family member in private security, has been for 30+ years doing stuff for mining, forestry, etc.

He will not go to even the PNE because he figures and has figured basically over the last 20 years that security is insanely lacking at public events in Vancouver/Canada. He also said that that’s the general sense within the “security community” regarding staffing of events.

Not really hard to argue with it when you see the way events are handled. I bought some tickets to the snoop dog lions openers and last opener with 50 cent was a fucking shit show. Like 20,000 people within a hundred yards? It’s just asking for something to happen.

[bcrdukes]

Originally Posted by Qmx323

but how do you know they're a retarded car murderer, until they demonstrate their retardedness by murdering people with their car?

You just look at their face.

[westopher]

Welcome to events anywhere on the planet.
We live in a society. That comes with an expectation that someone isn't going to bomb every event. People are going to not speed up and run you over when you're in a crosswalk. Literally every single day you could be killed by anyone you meet, but the likelihood of that happening is pretty fucking low.

[Hondaracer]

Well.. look at events like the olympics etc that are actually structured. Even Canucks games are infinitely more organized than anything that happens at B.C. place.

With B.C. place you’re handcuffed to the venue but I think having 1-2 access points for huge events comes with inherent risk, and typically that’s due to poor planning or people being cheap on their event

[Mikoyan]

Comes down to cost and convenience at the end of the day.. Did your family member talk about what would be needed to make those venues and events safe and why one event would spend the time and money to secure the venue vs the other? You'd also need to space to push out the security perimeter. We've never built that into venues here either.

The risk Tolerance and profile for each of those events are significantly different. A 3 week high profile world sporting event vs a local sports teams season game.

That said, your family member is right. What good is security screening when everyone is all jammed up prior to the checkpoint. You're just moving the targets to a different area.

[Hondaracer]

They never elaborated but I’m sure it’s mostly what you said in terms of breaking up entry points, having pre-screening and checkpoints prior to entry etc.

Things like car free days on main, the drive, hats off in Burnaby will undoubtedly look very different going forward

[whitev70r]

If you break it down in this case, from what was revealed, it really does appear like the security guard who let the guy into the area was the 'fault'. On the one hand, it'd be easy for anyone to make up something and say, "I have a food truck and am going to take it down." but it is obvious that the perpetrator should not have been let inside the barricaded area. I don't know if concrete barriers would have prevented the incident if this was the break down. Better security, badges with security code to each food truck vender to get in and out for set up and clean up might?

[westopher]

It was a wood barricade. That was not the catalyst to this. The only person at fault was the driver. How could anyone possibly assign blame on the person who's job it was to move the barricades (that had probably done so, as they were supposed to for 20 other cars going in to unload or load supplies for the various vendors) when they were instructed to do so by organizers.
If that wasn't the case, organizers are far more to blame, but still it's not like this was something to plan for.
If organizers made credentials or badges mandatory for the vendors then maybe but I doubt that was the case as I don't think this guy had a plan to sneak by the barricade. He could have just plowed through easily.

[Mikoyan]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

They never elaborated but I’m sure it’s mostly what you said in terms of breaking up entry points, having pre-screening and checkpoints prior to entry etc.

Things like car free days on main, the drive, hats off in Burnaby will undoubtedly look very different going forward

Yeah, they already changed last year after the ramming attacks elsewhere. The car free day on Commercial had the COV Dump trucks along with the VPD officers with the rifles. Going to see a lot more officers for the big events.

We're going to see some of the smaller events fold, and not happen, as they're not going to be able to afford the money needed for upgraded security.

[whitev70r]

Originally Posted by westopher

It was a wood barricade. That was not the catalyst to this. The only person at fault was the driver. How could anyone possibly assign blame on the person who's job it was to move the barricades (that had probably done so, as they were supposed to for 20 other cars going in to unload or load supplies for the various vendors) when they were instructed to do so by organizers.
If that wasn't the case, organizers are far more to blame, but still it's not like this was something to plan for.
If organizers made credentials or badges mandatory for the vendors then maybe but I doubt that was the case as I don't think this guy had a plan to sneak by the barricade. He could have just plowed through easily.

So let's say they had dump trucks, concrete barricades set up and some guy drives up to check point to get into the restricted area, says he is there to take down food truck and the security guard lets him through. Who is to blame? Of course, it goes without saying, the perpetrator is 100% guilty and holds all the fault. But system wise, organization wise, security wise, who carries some of the fault. Read my post.

[Hondaracer]

Well they should force the food trucks to carry their shit in on carts or whatever. No reason to allow a vehicle into the area period

[westopher]

Well that's completely different because none of that was the case.
Your post was clear, I disagree with it. That's also clear.
Everyone's got all the answers AFTER something unexpected happens.

[68style]

Just stay at home with bubble wrap for clothes

[6793026]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

I have a family member in private security, has been for 30+ years doing stuff for mining, forestry, etc.

He will not go to even the PNE because he figures and has figured basically over the last 20 years that security is insanely lacking at public events in Vancouver/Canada. He also said that that’s the general sense within the “security community” regarding staffing of events.

Not really hard to argue with it when you see the way events are handled. I bought some tickets to the snoop dog lions openers and last opener with 50 cent was a fucking shit show. Like 20,000 people within a hundred yards? It’s just asking for something to happen.

we all go thru this in our industry.. imagine you're in food and safety scene...
you would never end up go eating out cause everything bathroom you go to / every kitchen woudl be deemed suitable.

[Qmx323]

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[Jason00S2000]

Originally Posted by 6793026

we all go thru this in our industry.. imagine you're in food and safety scene...
you would never end up go eating out cause everything bathroom you go to / every kitchen woudl be deemed suitable.

Years ago, there was a certain institutional brand restaurant that accidentally served a deep-fried mouse to a customer, and instead of going to the news or health inspectors, the owner quietly paid out the customer 10k and negotiated that within a minute of the fried mouse being discovered.

Kitchens are all filthy as fuck and every single last one of them has mice. There is another really, really well-known restaurant in Gastown that I've been in after hours on multiple occasions, and the mouse problem they have was off the charts. The kitchen, which opens out to the nastiest alley you've ever seen, was basically like a mouse rave at night.

Kitchen staff are almost all high and some of them have sex at work. Hospitality industry people are dirty and on drugs and kinky, often because the work is so stressful itself, like being a chef in a 40c+ kitchen working 12 hours sweating everywhere, so they drink and do some bumps on the busiest days.