remember the wheel can only do 1 thing well, accelerate, brake or turn. Not 2 things. RWD ftw!

but if u want a daily driver thats reliable, go for the civic.

Is a 13.8s pass supposed to be fast?

i'd go for the genesis, don't agree with how it looks but, the civic isn't that pretty.

anyhow i'd do it just cause of the ease for more power from the genesis. boost controller. downpipe. some new piping.

should be a nice bump in power.

shittt you're right. haha! i bet i was thinking TECH...rofl my bad...let me correct that in this post...!!

BUT IT'S AN SI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



VTECCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

Screw this V-TECKKK crap, whether the civic is loaded with v-teckkkkkk or not, not like it's that insane of a sports performance vehicle. If you want performance, genesis has what you need for a decent affordable price-tag.

Why the hell would anyone pay over $30,000 for a civic and for a car that barely even has 200hp. There are other cars that get better bang for bucks to performance ratio, I'd say.

genesis so if you actually do it up, you wouldn't feel stupid driving around with your monstrous whp in a fwd car. =]

this was not a fair fight.. automatic vs manual..

and they didnt use the genesis turbo GT ( track )

does the civic si have bluetooth??? and i heard it doesnt even heated seats .

show me a fucking 4 banger with bolt on that does 13.5 than

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

what u gonna say now? mazdaspeed 3? STi? EVo? fuck anything u slap on a turbo /sc/ nitrous is fast ok
Any engine can make a gazillion hp when u slap on the turbo and make one pass so u can claim YUP i run 11s baby, than KABOOM on ur next run



350z/370z with 300hp + does 14.0 to 14.3 in 1/4 mile, and thats a fucking V6

I'd go for the Civic SI sedan.

Drive both and decide from there. before asking what random people on the internet who may or may not have driven both, try them out.

I had driven an SI and while it was alright, it was FWD and you could feel it. VTEC was pure awesome, but it's not boost. and with no money invested at all you can safely run 18PSI in the Genesis.
18psi > vtec
RWD > fwd

The genesis will run you just over 30k when you're done with financing and taxes, find out what an SI will be afterwards. As for insurance, I pay $150/month for full coverage with the genesis. I imagine I'd pay more for the civic. Any insurance place should be able to give you a rate for each vehicle, seeing as how no ones crashed or stolen a genesis yet, it should be cheaper.


Go out and drive both, today. Let us know what you think. (make sure traction control is off in the genesis ;) )

^

well said, test drive it is probably the best way.


Dont get me wrong, hyundai has fucking huge over the past decade. More than the americans i must admite. Back in 90s the electronic part was never able to introduced into N.A, even if it was no one would wonna buy them.


My philosophy is JDM over korean made if it was the same price.
Goes for car and electronics, hell even cell phone. But if it was cheaper i'd definitely consider it



genesis insurance definitely a lot cheaper tho

RWD VS FWD. It's that simple. Drive both, see what you prefer.

30k for a Civic is crazy and is notorious for high insurance costs. An ITR with bolt ons will run high 13's as well. Check the honda-tech thread.

i said nearly 400whp
but anyways
heres a 363whp one
http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1880928
and i dont know what im talking about? thats why i have a 4cyl NA that runs 13.1 in a 2700lbs car right?
will be 12.9 this friday if its nice out.

heres another simple build
http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1718890

both these threads are OLD...2-3 years ago....sooo, yeah.

and btw, that is tuned on kpro, not flashpro :thumbsup:

This looks like fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UN0cvXr7g

have you thought of getting a bmw 323i (without any option)?

or a 128i (without any option).

don't be scared with the online prices, you can easily bargain your way down to somewhere 30k or even 28k, 29k before taxes and PDI.

Maybe some ppl forgot to mention that the genesis warranty might be better as well?

Personal preference really....I would like to see what happen a few years later. Whether I see more Genesis/Civics in the used car lot/wreck yard instead of the street.

The fact is, almost every car competing with the current Si is boosted from the factory - ms3, wrx, ralliart, cooperS and what do you know? they're all faster than the k20 powered Si. The k20 may respond well to bolt-ons for what it is, but an ms3 gains 15whp and 20ft/lb of torque from just an intake. And you know what? nobody gives a shit if one is n/a and the other is turbo; results are what matter.

genesis is more mod friendly imo. we just have to wait for the shit load of aftermarket parts for it to make a true performer.



but then again, if u want a daily driver, that u wont mod, and dont mind getting ur ass kicked with, the civic SEDAN is a good choice. i still think the sedan looks better than the coupe! (and at least it doesnt have that huge C pillar blind spot.. ugh)



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actually... if you want a fast 4cyl rwd turbo car... go pick up urself a good condition 944 turbo for about 12k or less! smoke both of those cars out of the box, and it responds very well to mods. that and you'd be storming through the highway @ 270km/h easily. but hey, thats just me ;)

If I have a Si, I would put in a set of camber bolts up front & probably go get about -1.8 camber & a bit of toe out up front right away. Cheap mod that works well with a cost under $200. Btw doesn't the genesis understeer quite a bit in the test drive video too?

Anyway I would enjoy driving a civic sedan than a civic/genesis coupe. Not because of the JDM FD2R or whatever reason, just because I'm getting sick of the 2dr idea in some ways.

i have an Si - nice car, would i buy another? no

then again, my first car cost me $3,000

as a first car - buy used (unless you're spoilt and have parents buying it for you - yes, hate on me all you want, but we should all grow some balls and buy our own shit and not live in our parent's cunts our whole lives)

personally, for $30K, i'd pick up a used boxster S from the states

OP you can buy my 07 Si!

when is the next gen for civics?
This model has been around since the last gen corolla.

I guess Honda needs to develope new (gutless I4) engines before it can release another model for the civics.

I heard that the 2.0T in the Genesis is just a slight modification of the one from the Evo, the block comes from the Lancer Ralliart, and a few of the internals are different.