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ericthehalfbee 04-27-2010 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ecchiecchi (Post 6927130)
I don't own an iPhone but when I borrowed my sibling's to use eBuddy, I found it annoying that I would have to close ebuddy to do anything else.

You don't need to be specific- Just the fact that you have to trade off of having to turn something off to do something else. If you have a hard time seeing the benefits of multitask, something's wrong with you =/

And plus, there will always be people who complain. If you're happy with the product, then that's good. I don't see why you have the need to convince everyone else that the product is awesome.

I don't see myself convincing anybody Apple is awesome. It's just fun to tease the Apple haters and some of the ridiculous things they complain about.

Case in point, Apple OS 4.0 isn't true multitasking - it allows for multiple Apps to remain open and they can be resumed exactly where you left off. But since it's not multitasking like Windows 7 is, all the haters are bitching about how "useless" OS 4.0 is when it comes to multitasking.

Bottom line is true multitasking is a useless feature to have on a phone. I mean, it's just a damn phone. It's not a laptop/desktop so why are people whining about lacking a feature that a desktop would have? Apples approach to "multitasking" makes far more sense on a phone than "true" multitasking.

Manic! 04-27-2010 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ericthehalfbee (Post 6928193)
No you're not, because if the programs are waiting for input (Word, Excel as an example) then they are doing virtually nothing (look at Task Manager in Windows and see the % of usage a program like Word has when the window doesn't have focus).

You have the ability to multitask and have several programs doing work at the same time, but for many users they never really multitask in the true sense of the word - they task switch. Most likely the only multitasking they've done is have files downloading while continuing to browse the web.

But the program is still using system resources. What people mean by multitasking on the Iphone/Ipad is being able to have 2 programs at once.

Iceman_2K 04-28-2010 11:11 AM

Having two programs open at once isn't really multitasking - you aren't doing anything with both programs, you just have them open sitting there. If the definition of multitasking were just to have two or more programs open at once sitting there, it wouldn't be hard to implement.
And the point about ebuddy - I use ebuddy all the time. The app allows for push data and messages to be sent to my iphone from the IM contacts, even if I'm in the middle of a game or watching a video. At that point, i have the option to respond or continue with whatever I'm doing, but I'm still getting messages, and my status is whatever I've set my status to be: online, away or whatever. Just because ebuddy isn't running in the background doesn't mean I'm not getting messages, or not able to respond to messages, or that it kicks me out of MSN or whatever IM i'm logged into.

Ronin 04-30-2010 08:16 PM

LOL HP Slate. First no one cares about the sneak peek. Now it might not even get made.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/30/h...mill-says-yes/

Seriously, running Windows 7 on hardware that fits in a picture frame?

Ronin 05-01-2010 04:04 AM

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

http://www.ededition.com/blogpics/bchowipad.jpg

Sky_2000 05-02-2010 08:10 PM

Jailbreak is finally out for the ipad.

http://modmyi.com/forums/ipad-news/7...en-spirit.html

Jailbreaks works for All Iphones and Ipod touches.

ericthehalfbee 05-03-2010 01:58 PM

No kidding HP dropped the idea of a Windows 7 tablet. Just wait until the first reviewrs got one and commented on how "slow" it seemed compared to the snappy iPad.

Manic! 05-03-2010 03:39 PM

Report: U.S. Government to Launch Apple Antitrust Probe Over iPhone Flash Lockout

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=18287




:):):):):):):) :haha::haha::haha::haha::haha: :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

ericthehalfbee 05-03-2010 05:20 PM

^ Never gonna happen.

If Apple had over 90% of the market (like Windows does on PC's) then maybe you could file antitrust, but with so many players in the smart phone market I just don't see anything coming of this.

Don't like lack of Flash on iPhone - buy another phone that supports it. Pretty simple. It's only when there's no choice available to the consumer that this comes into play. For example, Explorer coming pre-loaded on Windows machines.

Manic! 05-03-2010 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ericthehalfbee (Post 6936158)
^ Never gonna happen.

If Apple had over 90% of the market (like Windows does on PC's) then maybe you could file antitrust, but with so many players in the smart phone market I just don't see anything coming of this.

Don't like lack of Flash on iPhone - buy another phone that supports it. Pretty simple. It's only when there's no choice available to the consumer that this comes into play. For example, Explorer coming pre-loaded on Windows machines.

But unlike Microsoft Apple controls both the hardware and the software and the lawsuit is not about Apple having a monopoly.

ericthehalfbee 05-04-2010 06:49 AM

^ There are countless industries where a company controls the "hardware & software". You don't hear about them being involved in antitrust cases.

In fact, the vast majority of electronic devices sold in Best Buy or Future Shop have proprietary hardware/software. TV's, stereos, MP3 players, digital cameras - how come they aren't being forced to allow you to run third party software on them?

What about gaming consoles? If they can go after Apple then for sure they can go After Sony for the PS3 and MS for the XBOX. And so on.

BTW, there's no antitrust suit against Apple. They haven't even decided if they're going to do an investigation. After the investigation, then they decide if a suit is warranted. This shouldn't even be a news story yet. Must be some Apple haters publishing this info, 'cuz it means squat at this point in time.


Like I said, nothing is going to happen over this.

Manic! 05-04-2010 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ericthehalfbee (Post 6937139)
^ There are countless industries where a company controls the "hardware & software". You don't hear about them being involved in antitrust cases.

In fact, the vast majority of electronic devices sold in Best Buy or Future Shop have proprietary hardware/software. TV's, stereos, MP3 players, digital cameras - how come they aren't being forced to allow you to run third party software on them?

What about gaming consoles? If they can go after Apple then for sure they can go After Sony for the PS3 and MS for the XBOX. And so on.


Tv's MP3 players cameras and video game systems don't control 100% of the software and hardware. With Camera's I can use memory and accessories from many different companies. MP3 players I can get songs from anywhere. TV's, just because you own a Sony TV doesn't mean you have to use a Sony Blu-ray player or special Sony cables. when is the last time you heard Microsoft or Nintendo ban a game from there system. Most industry's have gone to standard cables like HDMI for video and Micro USB for charging cellphones but Apple continues to use proprietary cables.

$19 for this?
http://storeimages.apple.com/1690/as...d=0&layer=comp

and $35 for this?
http://storeimages.apple.com/1690/as...d=0&layer=comp
$54 just to charge an MP3 player or a phone.

You can buy knock off that look and perform exactly the same for under $5 shipped for both.

ericthehalfbee 05-04-2010 04:40 PM

^ You've got to be kidding me. Way to completely miss the boat.


Why don't you try to develop games for the PS3 and then tell Sony "hey, I can't use xxx development tool or yyy software" and see how far you'll get. Or complain about the lack of support for a certain rendering technology.

Or call up Nikon and say you want to be able to save pictures in both Nikon and Canon RAW formats so you have a "choice".


"Software" is not the content like music and videos - it's the actual software used by the computer processor in the (TV/MP3 player/Blu_ray player/Refrigerator) to operate it.

LiquidTurbo 05-04-2010 04:47 PM

So anyone who owns this thing.. can they give their thoughts on the ownership so far? How often do you use it.. what you use it for.. where you use it? What do you like about it.. what don't you like about it.. etc.?

Manic! 05-04-2010 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericthehalfbee (Post 6937855)
^ You've got to be kidding me. Way to completely miss the boat.


Why don't you try to develop games for the PS3 and then tell Sony "hey, I can't use xxx development tool or yyy software" and see how far you'll get. Or complain about the lack of support for a certain rendering technology.

Or call up Nikon and say you want to be able to save pictures in both Nikon and Canon RAW formats so you have a "choice".


"Software" is not the content like music and videos - it's the actual software used by the computer processor in the (TV/MP3 player/Blu_ray player/Refrigerator) to operate it.

I can buy a Intel CPU and use non Intel motherboards and chip sets. I can buy a Windows OS and install it on any make or model computer including Apple. I can't legally by OSX and install it on a non Apple computer.

Apple also banned the use of automatic translation tools so you have to make 2 different versions of the software.

.Renn.Sport 05-04-2010 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 6937878)
I can buy a Intel CPU and use non Intel motherboards and chip sets. I can buy a Windows OS and install it on any make or model computer including Apple. I can't legally by OSX and install it on a non Apple computer.

Apple also banned the use of automatic translation tools so you have to make 2 different versions of the software.

I can't play PS3 games on a XBOX 360 either
so what?

.Renn.Sport 05-04-2010 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 6937588)
$19 for this?
http://storeimages.apple.com/1690/as...d=0&layer=comp

and $35 for this?
http://storeimages.apple.com/1690/as...d=0&layer=comp
$54 just to charge an MP3 player or a phone.

You can buy knock off that look and perform exactly the same for under $5 shipped for both.

these comes with every ipod/iphone/ipad

if you lose your Nokia wall charger, its gonna cost around the same. you can get a knock off nokia wall charger for under $5 as well
:rolleyes:

Manic! 05-04-2010 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .Renn.Sport (Post 6937890)
I can't play PS3 games on a XBOX 360 either
so what?

That's because of hardware incompatibility and has nothing to do with Microsoft stopping game developers. I can get Madden 2010 for every gaming platform. Flash can run on the ipad and phone but Apple has banned it hurting Abode's business.

Manic! 05-04-2010 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .Renn.Sport (Post 6937897)
these comes with every ipod/iphone/ipad

if you lose your Nokia wall charger, its gonna cost around the same. you can get a knock off nokia wall charger for under $5 as well
:rolleyes:

And people lose things all the time.

Nokia charger from Rogers cost $19 also many phones are now using Mico USB cables. The cell phone industry is going for a standard charging solution were as Apple still wants to stay proprietary.

ericthehalfbee 05-04-2010 06:59 PM

^ You have clearly no idea how the tech industry works. There are thousands of closed systems where the hardware/software is controlled by the company selling the product. This is done so the company can maintain very tight control over how the end product works and what the user experience is like. This is not illegal.

As I said before, the solution is simple. Don't like the iPhone/iPad and what's happening with Adobe? Then don't buy one.

Personally, the sooner Flash dies the better. There's no need to rely on a third party plug-in (that's controlled by a private company) in order to browse the web when open, industry standards like HTML5 are coming in. Even Microsoft is getting behind HTML5.


Maybe they should file an antitrust suit against Adobe. By forcing people to have to download and install Flash just so they can browse the web, Adobe is forming a monopoly. The web is supposed to be open to anyone, but apparently if you don't own the right software (Flash) then you don't get the full benefit.


Funny how the EU could force Microsoft to let users pick between several browsers so they "have a choice in how they want to acces the internet", yet they haven't allowed users the ability to access the internet without using Flash.

Manic! 05-04-2010 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericthehalfbee (Post 6938038)
browse the web when open, industry standards like HTML5 are coming in. Even Microsoft is getting behind HTML5.


Maybe they should file an antitrust suit against Adobe. By forcing people to have to download and install Flash just so they can browse the web, Adobe is forming a monopoly. The web is supposed to be open to anyone, but apparently if you don't own the right software (Flash) then you don't get the full benefit.


Funny how the EU could force Microsoft to let users pick between several browsers so they "have a choice in how they want to acces the internet", yet they haven't allowed users the ability to access the internet without using Flash.

Microsoft is also promoting silverlight something simular to flash.

Adobe isn't forcing anyone to use Flash but it is an option for developers. Apple is putting a gun to developers heads. Closed systems are a thing of the past.

L-Dawg 05-04-2010 09:36 PM

Officially JAILBROKEN!!!

ericthehalfbee 05-04-2010 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 6938086)
Microsoft is also promoting silverlight something simular to flash.

Adobe isn't forcing anyone to use Flash but it is an option for developers. Apple is putting a gun to developers heads. Closed systems are a thing of the past.

Silverlight will be about as useless as Flash when HTML5 goes mainstream.

I don't see how you can say Apple is "putting a gun to developers heads". As I said, you have no idea how the tech industry or software industry works. A lot of companies and systems have very strict rules for developers to follow. Don't like the rules? Develop for someone else.

Considering the large number of developers that are writing apps for the App Store, it seems a lot of people are deciding to work within Apple's "rules". And considering how much money many of them make, I bet they are quite happy. Flash what? Adobe who?


Closed systems will never go away. There are too many industries that need tight control of their systems (for example, to maintain reliability & security) to allow developers to simply "roam free". This has been going on since the birth of the computer in some way or another, and is never going to change.

Mr.HappySilp 05-05-2010 07:12 AM

^^ Apply fan boy.

ericthehalfbee 05-05-2010 08:11 AM

^ Hardly. Only thing Apple I own is an iPhone, and that's because I needed a new phone and wanted an MP3 player and was eligible for an upgrade from Rogers. I kept my last cell phone for 3 years beore it crapped out.

I run an i7 920, dual 80GB Intel SSD's, dual 5870's (watercooled) and I built it myself as I've been doing for years.

I just hate the haters, and Apple haters are some of the most ridiculous. Just like Apple fanboys.


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