Originally Posted by Eff-1 (Post 9189599)

Except it would SUCK to see 60,000 people out of work, many of them probably won't be able to find replacement jobs with the same income or benefits.

I always think about what if my dad/uncle/aunt whomever was a postal worker. Obviously you dont' want to see people lose their jobs who are older and will be impacted more negatively than others who can easily retrain.

But then again, 5 day a week door-to-door delivery is totally unnecessary right now. And if my dad had to work Saturdays in order to keep his job, i'm pretty sure he'd have no problem with that.

Also if my dad had to work for a full 8 hours and lose the perk finishing early and heading home but still being paid a full shift, I'm sure he'd be ok with that too. Yeah it sucks, but we all have to adapt.

Originally Posted by MG1 (Post 9189602)

Then I get a glitter of hope from dukes............... arghhhhhhh.

Originally Posted by Traum (Post 9189595)

The postal worker union is another example that readily comes to mind. At this point, if they continue to refuse to accept the reality that Canada Post's current business model is completely unsustainable, the whole corporation is just gonna collaspe.

In fact, at this point, I think it is far better for the federal gov to just let Canada Post collaspe and file for bankrupty, with no further gov funding injections. Then once CP goes into receivership, the federal gov can form a new dept / crown corp to buy up CP's assets at bankruptcy price and start all over again -- except this time, the CBA will actually reflect the realities of a viable business model in today's mail and parcel delivery sector.

Originally Posted by Eff-1 (Post 9189599)

Except it would SUCK to see 60,000 people out of work, many of them probably won't be able to find replacement jobs with the same income or benefits.

Originally Posted by westopher (Post 9189607)

things for sure can be adjusted based on how the model is, but trying to start from scratch will be HILARIOUSLY ineffective. Can you imagine how many hundreds of millions will be spent on the logistics of creating something? The government doesn’t have a good track record of making new things lately. They’d just contract some fucking consultants to do it for 4000x what it should cost.

Originally Posted by CivicBlues (Post 9189637)

Lol who are we kidding? A reconstituted Canada Post is just going to be TFWs from India making $17.85/hr with no benefits leaving your mail on your front porch/common area like how every other delivery company operates today.

Get used to seeing this:
https://media1.tenor.com/m/pku8UKyg0...ery-postal.gif

Originally Posted by Traum (Post 9189630)

I agree it sucks to see all 60k CP employees be out of work. On the other hand, businesses and employment come and go. It's all part of the ever present business and labour churn. What we have right now is a totally non-viable business model that does not serve the needs of the public, and require recurring injections of large sums of public funding to keep the crown corp afloat. In the normal private sector, the company would have been bankrupt many times already.

EI lasts for up to 45 weeks, and I'm sure federal labour laws would require additional severence benefits on top of EI. So those people getting laid off aren't just being left out in the cold to rot and die.

In the end, somebody is gonna foot the bill when a business model falls apart. I am vehemently against the public being the one to foot the bill when it is so blantantly obvious that the business model no longer works, but the @#(*$)@# union just refuses to accept that reality, and forces the federal gov to keep throwing good tax dollars after the bad to keep this failed business afloat.


Would CP really be starting from scratch again? In my mind, the plan would unfold more like a new investor / new management buying out a struggling business, fire all the highly paid / redundant / obsolete staff as much as it can, and then rebuild / restructure the whole company again while using as much (or as little) of the existing logistics and infrastructures as it is reasonable to do so.

You do have a point about the Turdeau Liberals being extremely wasteful on hiring consultants at 1000x of what they are worth. I'd hope the Carney Liberals being far more stingy on loosening the purse strings, but Carney alone can't control all these frontline details.

Originally Posted by noclue (Post 9189649)

The inherent flaw in seniority based employment, "I paid my dues" is that the company will offer enough for the seniors to sell out the juniors like all collective agreements, while they chant unity and solidarity.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9189650)

Just means the poors wont be able to send mail or get on planes anymore

This is such a prime example of how unions just fuck things up:

https://i.imgur.com/kZWLSAX.jpg

Tell me, is there ONE uber driver in this picture?

Originally Posted by Eff-1 (Post 9189654)

Give this a read. It's a sad read, but is relevant to this discussion.

https://thetyee.ca/News/2025/08/13/Janitor-Died-SFU/

TLDR: Punjabi janitor lady in her 60s died during a shift at SFU. Brings up the question of whether she was overworked and what role did that play in her death.

SFU says the working environment had nothing to do with it.

Contractor doesn't respond to requests for comment.

The union says yeah we knew it was bad, and oops, we should have done something sooner, but blames the language barrier with the employees.

All those union dues, and you can't hire a translator??

Originally Posted by 68style (Post 9189571)

My sister and my mom and dad and my niece and nephew are all supposed to go to Ireland today on AC… planning for years kids being old enough and parents healthy enough… sister fighting with ex about days she’s allowed to take the kids it’s been such a stressful thing for her to organize and now they don’t know if they’re going or not.

Still have a boarding pass and supposed to leave at 3pm but apparently even for scheduled flights a lot of FA’s are calling in sick to ground the planes. Such a bunch of bullshit.

Originally Posted by 68style (Post 9189657)

They got so lucky, their flight just took off… lots of people stranded and sleeping at the airport.

Originally Posted by 68style (Post 9189657)

They got so lucky, their flight just took off… lots of people stranded and sleeping at the airport.

Originally Posted by Razor Ramon HG (Post 9189665)

Sounds like a bit of everyone's fault.

Victim for doing such a labourous job at her age and with chronic health issues.

Union for not listening to their members about the complaints.

Employer for not hiring more workers and giving increased workloads.

SFU is probably the least to blame IMO.

Originally Posted by winson604 (Post 9189681)

I just flew back 2 days ago from Tokyo via AC glad I missed the shit show. How is your sister navigating the flight coming back?