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We had a farm that was causing enormous amounts of contention in our family, thankfully it did double in value over 10 years that there were issue with it so that was great, but we finally sold it just to stop the infighting and bad vibes and honestly even though holding onto it forever would be probably the financially prudent thing to do, it's been such a weight off our shoulders -- everyone is so much happier and nicer to each other now and the proceeds of the sale made everyone's life so much easier NOW instead of holding onto whatever it might be worth into the future.
Lol besides pushing up land prices I didn't see this plan working out. No one can afford the build cost + red tape risk. Even if you own the land it's still like a $2m+ build cost.
Here’s something no one is reporting that is a HUGE issue with this stupid CoV multiplex proposal
Any build over a duplex MUST go underground with their 3rd party services, this is hydro, cable, etc. going underground right now with your hydro service takes a year of design and $100k+
When you’ve gotta spend 100k to get power to your build, how much does that cut into your profit? There was such little planning by CoV with this proposal it’s comical.
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I was just quoted $150k to get 300amp service to our build with a hydro pole in the front yard. Everything is nonsense. No more natural gas… electrics cars… 200amp ain’t gonna cut it.
Saying that, is this multiplex thing even a thing anymore considering the entire province’s new grand slam automatic zoning changes?
I was just quoted $150k to get 300amp service to our build with a hydro pole in the front yard. Everything is nonsense. No more natural gas… electrics cars… 200amp ain’t gonna cut it.
Saying that, is this multiplex thing even a thing anymore considering the entire province’s new grand slam automatic zoning changes?
are you paying hydro to provide 300amp service to the pole? or is there 300 amp service already at the lines?
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Mechanical contractors are so busy right now, with weeks and months of backlogs, that every 2nd or 3rd quote you get, are "fuck you" pricing.
In other words, they dont care if you approve their work or not.
No approval? = Dont care, i have months of work without you.
Approved? = Perfect, il take that extra 10-20-30% profit over my other regular jobs.
I would be curious to see hud91gt's contractors break down tho. I dont know anything about service line costs/permits/etc. seems wild that its 150k, but could just be todays normal price
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I lied, it was actually $169k. Hahaha. But quotes are stupid on the west side. A majority of
Our quotes are $2-3m for a “remodel” of a 3300 sq/f home and a new garage. People out here clearly have too much money to care. That’s 2-3x what it costs elsewhere.
I was just quoted $150k to get 300amp service to our build with a hydro pole in the front yard. Everything is nonsense. No more natural gas… electrics cars… 200amp ain’t gonna cut it.
Saying that, is this multiplex thing even a thing anymore considering the entire province’s new grand slam automatic zoning changes?
Tell BC Hydro that you need to expand the service to accommodate EV Chargers.
They would bring one additional line and add another meter then merge it on their end onto a single account.
This way, you only pay the service upgrade fee (I think it was less than 2k) plus installation. The installation is much cheaper as well because you can get 2x200amp services. No need for fancy equipment for 400amp services.
This is what I got after I moved into my new place. So now I have 2x200amp panels and really I can do whatever the heck out of them.
It should be nowhere near 160k. Everything said and done... I think I spent a tad over 10k and that was including some electrical works at my place.
^ that’s not how it works. 2x200 is still 400 amps. Doesn’t matter if it’s an EV load or not the only cost difference is the meter base. You just got lucky with the infrastructure in place around your home
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Not sure if this is the same thing but I did 2 200amp to my shop last year around 10K. Hydro was approx $1200 each to my pole and then excavator/conduit/panels was another $7500.
Not sure if this is the same thing but I did 2 200amp to my shop last year around 10K. Hydro was approx $1200 each to my pole and then excavator/conduit/panels was another $7500.
In general this and HEHE’s situation are extremely rare. Generally 400A overhead services are going for about 25-30k 80%+ of the time these days, especially in Vancouver and Burnaby. Can’t speak to much to elsewhere
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^ that’s not how it works. 2x200 is still 400 amps. Doesn’t matter if it’s an EV load or not the only cost difference is the meter base. You just got lucky with the infrastructure in place around your home
The idea is that if you need to upgrade service for everything else, like a pool, jacuzzi, and whatnot, BC Hydro and electrician are going to rape you. They wouldn't even do the meter merging thing. It's not a full 400amp services, which is $$$. But rather 2 lines with each having 200amp capacity. But even then, it's nowhere near 160k. In my case, before I went the split line route, I was quoting something around 22k to have a 400amp services (so, 1 line, 1x400amp panel, 1 meter)
But this is a program that BC Hydro set up specifically for people upgrading services because their existing service cannot accommodate EV chargers. As it's a simpler and more straightforward approach. Going anything beyond 200amp requires IIRC a new transformer or something on location to handle the service. But if it's just 2x200amp, where they bring another line coming in, no fancy equipment is needed.
Not sure now, but back then when I was doing the upgrade, not everyone at BC Hydro was aware of such a program. It was when I was calling BC Hydro for some specific questions that the agent told me "oh, we have this program now that might be in your interest". And after I thought that was a good idea, I went back to my electrician, he agreed and I called BC Hydro again... the agent had no idea what I was talking about and had to consult his colleague.
Lol besides pushing up land prices I didn't see this plan working out. No one can afford the build cost + red tape risk. Even if you own the land it's still like a $2m+ build cost.
The Vancouver plan was mostly lambasted by housing advocates b/c it was far too conservative in terms of floor space. Land simply costs too much (even without land lift) to to build new housing in most cases and the city has inserted a lot of poison pills into the zoning.
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I was just quoted $150k to get 300amp service to our build with a hydro pole in the front yard. Everything is nonsense. No more natural gas… electrics cars… 200amp ain’t gonna cut it.
Saying that, is this multiplex thing even a thing anymore considering the entire province’s new grand slam automatic zoning changes?
Vancouver has a separate charter so not all of the province's new rules apply to them - the zoning around transit hubs does apply but the multiplex one does not (yet). For the latter the province is playing nice with Vancouver for now as the province has the power to override the Vancouver charter if they want.
If the province overrides the city the economics will work a lot better as it's expected they'll allow 1.5FSR vs 1.0FSR.
This video does a nice job explaining all the red tape that exists like ridiculous parking requirements:
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The idea is that if you need to upgrade service for everything else, like a pool, jacuzzi, and whatnot, BC Hydro and electrician are going to rape you. They wouldn't even do the meter merging thing. It's not a full 400amp services, which is $$$. But rather 2 lines with each having 200amp capacity. But even then, it's nowhere near 160k. In my case, before I went the split line route, I was quoting something around 22k to have a 400amp services (so, 1 line, 1x400amp panel, 1 meter)
But this is a program that BC Hydro set up specifically for people upgrading services because their existing service cannot accommodate EV chargers. As it's a simpler and more straightforward approach. Going anything beyond 200amp requires IIRC a new transformer or something on location to handle the service. But if it's just 2x200amp, where they bring another line coming in, no fancy equipment is needed.
Not sure now, but back then when I was doing the upgrade, not everyone at BC Hydro was aware of such a program. It was when I was calling BC Hydro for some specific questions that the agent told me "oh, we have this program now that might be in your interest". And after I thought that was a good idea, I went back to my electrician, he agreed and I called BC Hydro again... the agent had no idea what I was talking about and had to consult his colleague.
That makes sense that BC Hydro is trying to figure that out. With the ongoing electrification of everything, there needs to be an affordable way to get increased service. I'm in a house that was built in the 50's. If I switch to an EV and a Heat pump etc, I need to add to and redo my electrical panel.
If i was told it's going to be $50k plus to get just the electrical done, that'd be a non starter.
200a service upgrades aren't too expensive but there may be unexpected costs involved such as:
- adding new utility pole if the distance of overhead wires is too long or sags too much
- adding underground conduit from the BC hydro electrical pull pit to theocation of your meter (tenching, digging, concrete etc..)
- renovation costs (drywall repair, paint, etc)
Everyone's electrical situation is different. I've had customers compromise and install heat pumps and EV chargers on 100a services by removing baseboard heating circuits and lowering charging ampacity in order to pass load calculations.
I like the guy who makes those videos above, he seems to have common sense and workable solutions. On Youtube, they are called, About Us. Here is another about how to create affordable rental or non-housing market:
200a service upgrades aren't too expensive but there may be unexpected costs involved such as:
- adding new utility pole if the distance of overhead wires is too long or sags too much
- adding underground conduit from the BC hydro electrical pull pit to theocation of your meter (tenching, digging, concrete etc..)
- renovation costs (drywall repair, paint, etc)
Everyone's electrical situation is different. I've had customers compromise and install heat pumps and EV chargers on 100a services by removing baseboard heating circuits and lowering charging ampacity in order to pass load calculations.
They also have those smart switches now for EV chargers, so really, people get their head in the clouds that they NEED a 400a service, when generally a 200a is more than adequate
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Our old house had a separate 200A panel on garage.
We have 2 teslas. Our new home only has a 200a in the home and to add service to garage was going to be expensive and take time.
Electrician put in a 40a breaker and did a surface run to garage from our breaker(not the prettiest but pretty much out of sight for the most part)
Can only charge at 32A vs 48A but enough for us.
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