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How many claims you made here you can back up with proof or statistics?
If you're going to counter someone by asking them for actual data, nothing you said in your post comprises actual data either. Just anectodal assumptions. Just sayin.
How many claims you made here you can back up with proof or statistics? We discussed this long long time ago, the majority of west van, van west house owners are not chinese, home or 2nd home investors are not majority chinese either, so chinese did not make it impossible for locals to buy real estate.
Do you think rich indians won't claim low income when they don't work here and also live in multi million mansions? If you wanna talk about leeching off free services, check how many indians are doing false WCB claims, check how many have leeched off the old ICBC system by claiming they are in pain and how they can't work whenever involved in a MVA. Check how many take fake sick days off at each workplace.
There are tons of proof for what I said in my original post in the news, I'm sure Chinese isn't as heavily involved in gangs and shooting obviously.. lol, The medal counts and how many athletes represent their countries in each olympics speak for themselves. how about the majority of serious and fatal car accidents that are reported in the news that are results from reckless driving? Drive on Hwy 91, 99, 17, and look who the left lane hoggers and blatant cut-offs are from.
Running foreign interference in every election and university? If anything, CCP and the ppl there focus on building their own society and not get involved in other countries' issues unless other countries get involved in their own diplomatic matters. If you believe in western propaganda, and you can't use own brain, that's your own fault
Too lazy to respond, so here’s an AI fact check. Regarding Olympic medals, this is a bizarre comment because the reason for India’s lack of medals is that it doesn’t invest billions like China does to train athletes.
Spoiler!
1. Academic Research (UBC / Andy Yan)
Andy Yan (Simon Fraser University, later UBC adjunct) published a landmark 2015 study on Vancouver’s West Side showing that a high percentage of detached home purchases were made with foreign money, often linked to buyers from China.
His study found that two-thirds of those purchases were tied to Chinese names and capital, many through family connections and offshore funds. This study got a lot of media attention because it was the first to quantify the issue.
2. Government Data
B.C. Ministry of Finance (2016) released data showing that in the first month of tracking, over 10% of all Metro Vancouver property transactions involved foreign nationals — with China being by far the largest source country.
That was the trigger for the 15% foreign buyers’ tax (later raised to 20%). After it was introduced, the foreign-buyer share fell sharply. If Chinese money wasn’t a factor, the tax wouldn’t have had such an immediate effect.
3. The “Vancouver Model” & Money Laundering
The Cullen Commission (2022) into money laundering in B.C. heard extensive evidence that billions of dollars — much of it traced back to China — was funneled through casinos, shell companies, and real estate.
This “Vancouver Model” laundered dirty money into local housing, driving up prices and distorting the market.
4. Market Analyses
Studies by UBC Sauder School of Business and international think tanks confirmed that foreign capital inflows (especially from China) were a major driver of luxury real estate pricing in Vancouver and Toronto.
Even the Bank of Canada acknowledged that foreign money was one of several key drivers of price escalation.
So yes — there is credible evidence that illegal or laundered money linked to Chinese immigration has had a measurable negative impact on Canada, especially on real estate in B.C
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China and Chinese linked criminal networks have also played a major role in the fentanyl crisis in Canada. There is documented evidence that some of the money from illegal activities, including fentanyl trafficking, has been funnelled through Canada.
1. China was the main source of fentanyl imports into North America
Before 2019, finished fentanyl and analogues were being shipped directly from China to Canada and the U.S. through the mail.
Both U.S. DEA and Canadian CBSA reports confirmed that China was the primary source country for illicit fentanyl reaching North America.
2. Shift after 2019 crackdown
In May 2019, Beijing classified all fentanyl-related substances as controlled. After that, shipments of finished fentanyl from China dropped.
But production didn’t stop — instead, Chinese suppliers began exporting precursor chemicals (the raw ingredients used to make fentanyl).
3. Current situation
According to Canada’s Fentanyl Czar report (2025) and U.S. indictments, China remains a major source of precursors that Canadian and Mexican criminal networks use to make fentanyl locally.
Criminal groups like the Big Circle Boys (with roots in China) have been named in Canadian media and investigations as playing a role in importing and distributing fentanyl precursors.
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1. Influence, Not Direct Control
Reports from CSIS, RCMP, and Parliamentary committees confirm that China engages in influence operations in Canada.
This includes:
Lobbying politicians and political parties
Targeting universities and research institutions
Running disinformation campaigns on social media
Monitoring Chinese diaspora communities
Crucial distinction: These actions are meant to shape policy and public opinion, not to directly cast votes or run Canadian elections. There’s no evidence CCP literally controls ballots or election outcomes.
2. Public Acknowledgment
The Parliamentary Committee on Canada-China Relations (2021) explicitly warned of CCP attempts to interfere in Canadian politics.
Elections Canada has also confirmed it monitors for foreign influence, including from China.
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Richmond vs. Surrey from ICBC data:
Richmond has a higher crash rate per capita compared to Surrey. Richmond’s rate is approximately 66.4 crashes per 10,000 people, while Surrey’s per-capita crash rate is lower (exact per-capita figures for Surrey aren’t widely published). Surrey, however, has a higher total number of crashes due to its larger population.
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can we stop shitting on indians. pointless arguments.
the enemy is clearly whitev70r. Hes the one who fucked us over with opium and partitioned up india! hes the one directly responsible for all your beef with pakistan
GET'em!!!!!!!
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Too lazy to respond, so here’s an AI fact check. Regarding Olympic medals, this is a bizarre comment because the reason for India’s lack of medals is that it doesn’t invest billions like China does to train athletes.
Spoiler!
1. Academic Research (UBC / Andy Yan)
Andy Yan (Simon Fraser University, later UBC adjunct) published a landmark 2015 study on Vancouver’s West Side showing that a high percentage of detached home purchases were made with foreign money, often linked to buyers from China.
His study found that two-thirds of those purchases were tied to Chinese names and capital, many through family connections and offshore funds. This study got a lot of media attention because it was the first to quantify the issue.
2. Government Data
B.C. Ministry of Finance (2016) released data showing that in the first month of tracking, over 10% of all Metro Vancouver property transactions involved foreign nationals — with China being by far the largest source country.
That was the trigger for the 15% foreign buyers’ tax (later raised to 20%). After it was introduced, the foreign-buyer share fell sharply. If Chinese money wasn’t a factor, the tax wouldn’t have had such an immediate effect.
3. The “Vancouver Model” & Money Laundering
The Cullen Commission (2022) into money laundering in B.C. heard extensive evidence that billions of dollars — much of it traced back to China — was funneled through casinos, shell companies, and real estate.
This “Vancouver Model” laundered dirty money into local housing, driving up prices and distorting the market.
4. Market Analyses
Studies by UBC Sauder School of Business and international think tanks confirmed that foreign capital inflows (especially from China) were a major driver of luxury real estate pricing in Vancouver and Toronto.
Even the Bank of Canada acknowledged that foreign money was one of several key drivers of price escalation.
So yes — there is credible evidence that illegal or laundered money linked to Chinese immigration has had a measurable negative impact on Canada, especially on real estate in B.C
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China and Chinese linked criminal networks have also played a major role in the fentanyl crisis in Canada. There is documented evidence that some of the money from illegal activities, including fentanyl trafficking, has been funnelled through Canada.
1. China was the main source of fentanyl imports into North America
Before 2019, finished fentanyl and analogues were being shipped directly from China to Canada and the U.S. through the mail.
Both U.S. DEA and Canadian CBSA reports confirmed that China was the primary source country for illicit fentanyl reaching North America.
2. Shift after 2019 crackdown
In May 2019, Beijing classified all fentanyl-related substances as controlled. After that, shipments of finished fentanyl from China dropped.
But production didn’t stop — instead, Chinese suppliers began exporting precursor chemicals (the raw ingredients used to make fentanyl).
3. Current situation
According to Canada’s Fentanyl Czar report (2025) and U.S. indictments, China remains a major source of precursors that Canadian and Mexican criminal networks use to make fentanyl locally.
Criminal groups like the Big Circle Boys (with roots in China) have been named in Canadian media and investigations as playing a role in importing and distributing fentanyl precursors.
-------------
1. Influence, Not Direct Control
Reports from CSIS, RCMP, and Parliamentary committees confirm that China engages in influence operations in Canada.
This includes:
Lobbying politicians and political parties
Targeting universities and research institutions
Running disinformation campaigns on social media
Monitoring Chinese diaspora communities
Crucial distinction: These actions are meant to shape policy and public opinion, not to directly cast votes or run Canadian elections. There’s no evidence CCP literally controls ballots or election outcomes.
2. Public Acknowledgment
The Parliamentary Committee on Canada-China Relations (2021) explicitly warned of CCP attempts to interfere in Canadian politics.
Elections Canada has also confirmed it monitors for foreign influence, including from China.
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Richmond vs. Surrey from ICBC data:
Richmond has a higher crash rate per capita compared to Surrey. Richmond’s rate is approximately 66.4 crashes per 10,000 people, while Surrey’s per-capita crash rate is lower (exact per-capita figures for Surrey aren’t widely published). Surrey, however, has a higher total number of crashes due to its larger population.
Why do you have to twist your words to defend your own kind?
Chinese can invest lots of $$$ to train athletes because they can since they are not poor. Indian government doesn't do the same because they don't have the funds to do so... it's not because they don't, it's because they can't. Not only can they not do that, lots of your own ppl are still suffering in hunger on the street
I talked about reckless driving, serious and fatal MVA that occurs more frequently among indians than any other ethnicities, not # of crashes per capita. Sure, richmond chinese drivers have more crashes, they are all non serious fender benders. If you don't agree Indians are more of a public safety threat to local communities due to reckless driving, gangs, robberies and shooting, then you are living in a delusion.
Was just going to say the same! And there seems to be a lot more new Indian-Style Chinese restaurants these days.
The old-school Chindian places like Chili Pepper and Green Lettuce seem to be run by Indian people of Chinese Descent and serve Chinese looking dishes with an Indian kick. The newer places, I think they're called "Hakka Restaurants" seem to mostly be run by Indian looking folks and serve things like Manchurian Chicken, Momos, dumplings, etc.
You're getting into some actual racist words here.
Also you are spewing a bunch of claims with no evidence.
We are all friends here. Knock if off, or go find another message board.
buddy what are you? It's a public forum and last time I checked, there is freedom of speech in Canada, plus I wasn't being racist. if you want me to shut up, be nice about it like the others. My claims with no evidence? Do you watch the news ever? All of a sudden it's taboo for me to talk about what other ethnicity has done bad to the local community While it's endangering my family and other families' safety? STFU
Anytime you generalize about an entire community based on some “experiences” or “news stories” it’s not even just racist it’s actually kinda stupid and you lose the plot discussing it with anyone your arguments immediately become nothing but ranting generalizations. Treat people like individuals not groups painted all with the same brush.
Some guy named Gurpreet drives a truck into an overpass, okay fine that Gurpreet is an asshat or his company is, source out the root cause and address it… but try not to forget 1,000 other Gurpreets and whoever else drive under that overpass the same day and didn’t hit it. Deal with the problem person or situation instead of firing off blame and assumptions on everyone who looks or talks the same.
Every culture has their bad people just like every workplace has its bad workers.
Anytime you generalize about an entire community based on some “experiences” or “news stories” it’s not even just racist it’s actually kinda stupid and you lose the plot discussing it with anyone your arguments immediately become nothing but ranting generalizations. Treat people like individuals not groups painted all with the same brush.
Some guy named Gurpreet drives a truck into an overpass, okay fine that Gurpreet is an asshat or his company is, source out the root cause and address it… but try not to forget 1,000 other Gurpreets and whoever else drive under that overpass the same day and didn’t hit it. Deal with the problem person or situation instead of firing off blame and assumptions on everyone who looks or talks the same.
Every culture has their bad people just like every workplace has its bad workers.
It's not generalization anymore if it's happening again and again via my personal experience on my commute over the past 10 plus years, it's also not generalization when you see fatal car accidents on the news repeatedly over the years. Remember the driver that ran a stop sign and t-boned a bus full of hockey players? How about the driver that made a illegal u-turn on the hwy in Florida recently? What about that car that sped on the patullo, slid and headed on with a semi, how many have died there? That's just a few that I can remember without even googling, that's not generalization....
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you gotta ask yourself brother, if you truly hate these people as a group, then there's something wrong there. You shouldn't carry that kind of hatred... nay, generalization for an entire group of people. Hatred is probably a bit too strong, i dont think you hate them, you might just disapprove of the way they do things. A lot of that is cultural, for better or worse. Its like me with the japanese, i really really like modern day japanese, but i still carry some hatred for their war crimes in the past. Much like the bloody mon-grow-re-ains. Meh what can you do...
Like 69stylez said, you treat them individually on a case-by-case basis. There's a billion and a half of them, they can't all be bad. Just proportionally, you might experience a lot of them, especially if you live in Surrey. Come to richmond friend, come be with your own kind.
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Can we agree the Chinese and Indians both affected Canada, but in varying different ways and degrees?
I don't think anyone who has grown up here won't attest that the Mainland Chinese influx of the 2000s/2010s had a major impact on the cost of housing and infrastructure, that's undeniable. They've also had a cultural impact, I firmly believe the lack of friendliness in this city does stem from the longer Chinese cultural influence of keeping to oneself, avoiding eye contact and engagement. I don't think anyone forgets the Richmond anchor baby issue that's been going on for quite some time now, either.
The Indians are the new public enemy nowadays, but to act like the Chinese are innocent of the same ire is like throwing stones when you live in a glass house.
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i wouldn't say the lack of friendliness is attributable to the Chinese, thats the same in every major city. Plus thats an asian thing, japs do it, same as koreans. You can also blame the internet for that. These kids cant even hold a conversation half the time, you think they'll reach out and be your friend? hell nah.
Housing prices for sure, anchor babies maybe... but with our population decline, it doesnt seem to even cover the replacement number. Out all my friends maybe 1-2 couples have kids? even then its 1-2 kids max so we are still at a huge deficit of children.
Plus, before we came along honkeys were pissing on chugs, wops, micks, and anyone else they labelled as "non white". Everyone's got beef with everyone... racism isnt gonna go away. you just need to know whats what and deal with it accordingly.
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It's not generalization anymore if it's happening again and again via my personal experience on my commute over the past 10 plus years, it's also not generalization when you see fatal car accidents on the news repeatedly over the years. Remember the driver that ran a stop sign and t-boned a bus full of hockey players? How about the driver that made a illegal u-turn on the hwy in Florida recently? What about that car that sped on the patullo, slid and headed on with a semi, how many have died there? That's just a few that I can remember without even googling, that's not generalization....
Well most of the truck drivers in Canada are brown dude, what you think is gonna happen? Humboldt Broncos was what 10 years ago? One stupid truck out of literally millions?
Who causes all the deadly accidents in China? Chinese people? Wow what a revelation!
I used to drive in the lower mainland every day too, Richmond to deep into Surrey… you know what MY experience was? In Richmond it was retard Chinese people and the odd white person… then transition to Surrey and it was a mix of retarded brown guys and white guys. I wonder why? Maybe the demographics of the area?
Such a stupid low-class way to think of the world and people around you.
I am pretty sure some chinaman came by before the British.
you think china just sailed west and not east
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