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Old 02-12-2013, 02:54 PM   #126
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You havent watched the testimony, thats not all that happened... spam.
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Show us the facts, Chuck. Other than this man's testimony, what facts do you have?
Witnesses to a crime. How about you.
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That illuminati crap in the media just made me fucking facepalm big time.

Is that how low conspiracy theorists get? Ha priceless.
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Now we're getting somewhere.
You're saying he and a group of other survivors are lying then! So the man who may have saved over a thousand people was in cahoots with Binladin all along right?
Even if you might think something blew up after the plane crash, what would cause it? show me facts rather then saying something like... electric gas lines.
You're an idiot.

Another logical fallacy added to the list:

"was in cahoots with Bin Laden all along"

WTF are you talking about? Why does someone lying automatically mean they are "in cahoots" with anyone, let alone Bin Laden? Or why does it have to be that he's either lying or telling the truth (perhaps he's just confused about the sequence of events)? You keep doing the same thing I mentioned previously - tell people there's A and B, and is A is wrong then B must be true.

You know, for any situation there's usually a lot more than only two possibilities. Something truthers have never seemed to grasp yet.
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Old 02-12-2013, 04:06 PM   #129
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More spam... you left Lomac no help in answering my questions.
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That illuminati crap in the media just made me fucking facepalm big time.

Is that how low conspiracy theorists get? Ha priceless.
Not to side track... yes... but really there was also revelations with the $20 dollar bill trick, the X-files show, and the Matrix movie that by no chance would've been there
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That illuminati crap in the media just made me fucking facepalm big time.
How so? Is illuminati fantasy land conspiracy to you?
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No but I believe you live in a fantasy world.
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Now we're getting somewhere.
You're saying he and a group of other survivors are lying then! So the man who may have saved over a thousand people was in cahoots with Binladin all along right?
Even if you might think something blew up after the plane crash, what would cause it? show me facts rather then saying something like... electric gas lines.
I never said the guy was lying. I'm saying he may have gotten his timeline mixed up, or was mistaking one action for something different. Like as Jason said:

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If an elevator cable broke and it fell 50+ floors and crashed at the bottom of the elevator shaft, it would absolutely sound like a bomb. It would probably blow the doors off like a muthafucka!
Contrary to what many truthers say, the twin towers had express and cargo elevators running from the basement floors straight up to the 100th floor or so. How do I know? I used to visit the towers all the time when I was a kid because we had a close family friend who worked there.

Perhaps it severed a gas main. Yes, the WTC buildings still had gas pumping into them, even if they weren't used to power the stoves. The point I'm trying to make, and no one is saying boo too, is if there was a bombing in the basement levels, why didn't the government say it was a terrorist attack coinciding with the main attacks? Why force media blackouts and tell these "witnesses" to shut up, lest you end up in Gitmo? Tell me which one is easier to handle and less likely to blow back on you at a future date?

And for the record, yes, that family friend of ours died in that incident. So trust me when I say I probably have more than you invested in determining what the truth is.
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No but I believe you live in a fantasy world.
belief doesn't affect truth, you can live your whole life thinking you live in truth when in fact the majority of sources are nothing but lies and half truths. so if all you know is lies then how can you distinguish truth?
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Lomac we'll wait for you to post your facts on how the basement blew... even if it was after a plane hitting the building.


Tell me which one is easier to handle and less likely to blow back on you at a future date?
Obviously the blow back has happened, many people question the official story.
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^ No, we're all waiting for you to tell us what happened. You claim to have this "hero of 9/11" present and many witnesses to go along with him. How come you can't take all their testimony and propose a theory? How come the only thing you can do is question other people's possible explanations?
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Old 02-12-2013, 06:51 PM   #136
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I posted Rodriguez's two testimonies to question this part of 911. You want me to easier simplify his statements? You can nitpick this witness and show us your inconsistencies.
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belief doesn't affect truth, you can live your whole life thinking you live in truth when in fact the majority of sources are nothing but lies and half truths. so if all you know is lies then how can you distinguish truth?
so youre saying we live in lies, what if you are living a lie believing that the world is a lie when its actually truth?
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^ I don't care about his very limited testimony. I want you to put together a list of events in point form with a timeline that fully explains how WTC 1 & 2 fell.

Bringing in the testimony of a witness who claims events happened in a different order means nothing. In any police investigation with multiple witnesses it's very common to hear a different version of events from everyone involved. The police will sort through all this testimony to put together an accurate account of what happened.

This is contrary to what you're doing. You post up an account of a witness who says something happened out of order and then try to hang the hopes of your entire conspiracy on one flimsy piece of evidence.

So again I ask you: what brought down the towers?
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Here's an interesting series looking at Truthers and their theories:

Part 1 - Free fall and how the towers collapsed;

Part 2 - Nano-thermite found in the WTC dust;

Part 3 - Thermite, Thermate, and glowing Aluminium;

Part 4 - How did WTC7 collapse?;

Part 5 - The BBC, and the Pentagon

Part 6 - The psychology behind a 9/11 truther;

Part 7 - Flight 93 and my final thoughts;
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If you guys are going to keep spamming, why not truly challenge a real truther?

Richard Gage, Founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth
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Are you serious about knowing the truth or are you going to keep clowning around like elementary kids.
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If you guys are going to keep spamming, why not truly challenge a real truther?

Richard Gage, Founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth
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Are you serious about knowing the truth or are you going to keep clowning around like elementary kids.
If you care about proving your view of the event, you should start challenging some of the science behind the theories you are espousing.
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Your OP has been addressed by myself and others as early as the first page. Your star witness is no expert and has no credentials to show he can identify explosives. No one is accusing him of lying. People under stress and danger experience things they truly believe happened when in reality events occurred differently. There is a reason witness testimony is considered the least reliable form of evidence. Two people can experience the same event, yet remember specifics very differently.

As I've said, Richard Gage doesn't believe the lies he spews. He's in it for the money, has admitted as much, and has his happy religious followers to pay to affirm their beliefs at speaking events and buy his books. He, nor the majority of the nuts at Architect and Engineers, have the experience or credentials to speak on the events of 9/11. When terrorists blow up a playground or a big box store, I'm sure they will be the first called to the scene.
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If you care about proving your view of the event, you should start challenging some of the science behind the theories you are espousing.
I produced a real 911 hero who probably saved over a thousand lives as a witness. I dont need science for that... unless you think there are dozens and dozens conspirators planted to work in the towers and make up stories.

For the building collapse I provide Richard Gage's points but Im not doing to debate about that in this thread. I would still like to see what level of intelligence you guys actually have though by challenging a professional truth-er.
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Why do you keep bringing up the "hero". Answer some of their questions.
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I produced a real 911 hero who probably saved over a thousand lives as a witness. I dont need science for that... unless you think there are dozens and dozens conspirators planted to work in the towers and make up stories.
So no hero in history has ever lied, or been wrong before?

Shit man if you believe everything a hero says you are one gullible SOB.
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so youre saying we live in lies, what if you are living a lie believing that the world is a lie when its actually truth?
if i make a statement like this it's not based on my belief, it's based on my knowing already.. you humans can't comprehend a lot..
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Why do you keep bringing up the "hero". Answer some of their questions.
You answer my questions, I started this thread.
Im putting your intelligence on the clock too... need links to the videos or do you think you can find them in this thread?

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So no hero in history has ever lied, or been wrong before?

Shit man if you believe everything a hero says you are one gullible SOB.
I dont care for your "to be or not to be" life scenario analyst.
I provided a credible (hero) witness... dont spam without watching the testimony.

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You answer my questions, I started this thread.
Im putting your intelligence on the clock too... need links to the videos or do you think you can find them in this thread?

I dont care for your "to be or not to be" life scenario analyst.
I provided a credible (hero) witness... dont spam without watching the testimony.

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What makes him "credible"? I don't believe he has a background in what explosives look like or anything of that nature. Saying "hero" means dick all in the reality of things.
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if i make a statement like this it's not based on my belief, it's based on my knowing already.. you humans can't comprehend a lot..
us humans? are you an alien now or something? k, what if ur knowing is full of lies, what you believe they are true, when in matter of facts, the world you claim is false, is actually true and ive been living in a true world the whole time?
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