"Resisting" Arrest

[freakshow]

LOL.. can't believe any of you actually think that punch was remotely necessary to 'control the situation'.

The guy is a douche, and deserves as many tickets as can be legally given. But the cop is guilty of using excessive force. No question. No one in their right mind could say that, given the cyclists actions, a single punch to the jaw was necessary for his cooperation. The officer couldn't handle the situation and resorted to violence, plain and simple.

If anything, a single punch to the jaw would make things more difficult, since most people are going to get instantly aggressive when punched in the face.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by freakshow

LOL.. can't believe any of you actually think that punch was remotely necessary to 'control the situation'.

The guy is a douche, and deserves as many tickets as can be legally given. But the cop is guilty of using excessive force. No question. No one in their right mind could say that, given the cyclists actions, a single punch to the jaw was necessary for his cooperation. The officer couldn't handle the situation and resorted to violence, plain and simple.

If anything, a single punch to the jaw would make things more difficult, since most people are going to get instantly aggressive when punched in the face.

If youd o what the COPS as 90% of the time they let you off the hook easy or you won't get handed down to you. Act like you are a downtown yppie and and asshole and you get treated like one.

[freakshow]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

If youd o what the COPS as 90% of the time they let you off the hook easy or you won't get handed down to you. Act like you are a downtown yppie and and asshole and you get treated like one.

Please don't confuse what you wish the law to be with how it actually is.

[7seven]

Originally Posted by freakshow

LOL.. can't believe any of you actually think that punch was remotely necessary to 'control the situation'.

Necessary? Maybe not, as an empty hand use of force method of a take down technique could have also been used in this situation as well. But is it allowable, IMO yes, a punch or kick (which is also classified on the same level as a hard empty hand method same as a take down) would be available for an officer to use in situations of active resistance.

[snails]

Originally Posted by 7seven

Necessary? Maybe not, as an empty hand use of force method of a take down technique could have also been used in this situation as well. But is it allowable, IMO yes, a punch or kick (which is also classified on the same level as a hard empty hand method same as a take down) would be available for an officer to use in situations of active resistance.

so who gets the dental bill or medical bill when this person suffers an injury that a cop thought was justified cuz he had a bad day? i boxed for a couple years and 1 shot to the jaw can do more damage than most would assume, not always but there is always the chance, someone punched me in the face i would punch back, this was not a way to calm a situation at all, he was not running around threatening people with a sword or trying to break free by any means, give the fucker tickets, but assault is something else

[MG1]

What some people will do to get on the news, or on Youtube. Camera at the ready and giving reason for cops to handcuff/rough you up.

BTW, what does this have to do with ruthless? I thought he just posted something from Facebook.

[pastarocket]

There definitely is more to this story than the video of the cop punching the cyclist.


I do agree with some of the comments on this thread about the cyclist. The dude is not a saint.

If he obeyed traffic rules, like stopping at a red light, and wearing a bike helmet that night, maybe, just maybe, the cops would not arrest him.

The dude gave the VPD a reason to arrest him.

[ruthless]

Originally Posted by MG1

What some people will do to get on the news, or on Youtube. Camera at the ready and giving reason for cops to handcuff/rough you up.

BTW, what does this have to do with ruthless? I thought he just posted something from Facebook.

Exactly
Not my video or friend

[ruthless]

I find it funny that people are saying he deserved it because he was acting like a douche or that he broke the law. Nobody is arguing that he didn't break the law or wasn't giving the officers lip.

The punch was unwarranted and I disagree that it is "reasonable" force in order to gain compliance from an individual. Punching someone under reasonable force would be if the individual was charging at or attacking the officer. The only thing they had to do was put the guy in an armlock, which they did right after the assault, to gain compliance.
something like this:

[gdoh]

Originally Posted by snails

so who gets the dental bill or medical bill when this person suffers an injury that a cop thought was justified cuz he had a bad day? i boxed for a couple years and 1 shot to the jaw can do more damage than most would assume, not always but there is always the chance, someone punched me in the face i would punch back, this was not a way to calm a situation at all, he was not running around threatening people with a sword or trying to break free by any means, give the fucker tickets, but assault is something else

he can pay his own medical bill fuck him, if he would have just cooperated with the police to begin with instead of trying to like the youtubers not giving ID and what not, he could have just got his ticket and be on his way. It was not the best way for the cop to react but nothing so shocking and out of line.

[dhari]

lol blame this on Ruthless!!

Honestly, some of yall mentioning that he shouldn't have been biking without a helmet and talking back but what does that have to do with a cop punching a dude in the jaw when he is trying to arrest him? Isn't a cop supposed to be the voice of reason and calm down a situation? He is paid to keep the peace not get violent with someone who has been lippy. I've talked to many cops in many situations and most of them are pretty cool and understand ppl are dumbasses and they let shit slide. This cop straight up has some issues because as soon as shit got a tad bit difficult he clocked the dude. Also, the video shows enough to see that it was unnecessary to punch the dude.

[RRxtar]

2 years ago the cop woulda tazered him and everyone would be screaming "you dont need to use the tazer you are a cop and can handle him by hand"

2 years from now people will say "you dont need to put him in hand cuffs you can just ask him politely"

[Brad Fuel]

No one can deny the fact that the punch was effective. One punch, immediate compliance, handcuff on.

Everyone likes to armchair quarterback after the fact and say he could have done this or could have done that which may have worked or may not have worked. He chose a level of force that he thought would get the proper response and it worked!

I will be honest and say if I was blind side punched in the jaw by the cop of his size I would probably be out cold. Watch the punch again, it's obviously not full force. Probably more of a distraction or stun.

[MarkyMark]

I think tackling him to the ground would have been more justified. If you were that concerned for your personal safety you'd want him on the floor rendered defenseless, not reaching around and punch him in the face. I'm not defending the asshole on the bike but I bet the cop punched him out of anger more than because he felt he was in danger.
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[bbbj]

Originally Posted by gdoh

he can pay his own medical bill fuck him, if he would have just cooperated with the police to begin with instead of trying to like the youtubers not giving ID and what not, he could have just got his ticket and be on his way. It was not the best way for the cop to react but nothing so shocking and out of line.

The whole I.D. part before the time of handcuffing is irrelevant in relation to why the cop punched him. Not giving I.D is a separate issue from resisting arrest. He had already submitted to being handcuffed so the only part thing that prompted the cop to punch him was the movement of his left arm. Like i said before, if you watch how his arm moves it clearly isnt any attempt to escape from the cuffs at all, just a simple readjustment most likely cause his whole arm was bent in an awkward fashion. And this whole thing about him doing it for youtube is fucking stupid. He clearly stated in the article that his buddy had literally just drove by and parked his car and it was less than 4 seconds from the time buddy whipped out thephone to record and when he got punched.
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[gdoh]

Originally Posted by bbbj

The whole I.D. part before the time of handcuffing is irrelevant in relation to why the cop punched him. Not giving I.D is a separate issue from resisting arrest. He had already submitted to being handcuffed so the only part thing that prompted the cop to punch him was the movement of his left arm. Like i said before, if you watch how his arm moves it clearly isnt any attempt to escape from the cuffs at all, just a simple readjustment most likely cause his whole arm was bent in an awkward fashion. And this whole thing about him doing it for youtube is fucking stupid. He clearly stated in the article that his buddy had literally just drove by and parked his car and it was less than 4 seconds from the time buddy whipped out thephone to record and when he got punched.
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how is not giving ID irrelevant? if he did it in the first place then he would just get a ticket and be gone, and playing around with your arms like that could mean anything to a cop. He doesn't know what your thinking and thing can escalate very quickly, from him slowly moving his arm to him all of a sudden fighting.

[bballguy]

Originally Posted by gdoh

how is not giving ID irrelevant? if he did it in the first place then he would just get a ticket and be gone, and playing around with your arms like that could mean anything to a cop. He doesn't know what your thinking and thing can escalate very quickly, from him slowly moving his arm to him all of a sudden fighting.

Right, and, more often than not, clocking the guy in the side of the head is going to de-escalate things....right....

[GLOW]

Originally Posted by GLOW

my friend had handcuff training and IIRC if there's resistance they try to force you to bend over and eventually to the ground where it's easier to control and cuff you.

Originally Posted by ruthless

The only thing they had to do was put the guy in an armlock, which they did right after the assault, to gain compliance.
something like this:

that's pretty much what my friend learned. i think kick/step on the back of the knee to get them to kneel and get them on their stomache.

but i think part of his training was also is to instruct them to be loose and not stiff or resist, if they do not comply you're supposed to administer escalating use of physical force.

[BrRsn]

My question is if the guy is still so talkative/cocky after getting clocked in the face, was the punch really unreasonably forceful?

He's not bleeding, he's talking perfectly fine, i doubt he even has a bruise LOL
Cop shouldn't have punched him to begin with ... but it's not like the guy's laying there bleeding with a broken jaw

Guys like this guy try way too hard to make a mountain out of a mole and get some fame. Scum of the first world. They know at the end of the day they will be protected by their rights/freedoms so they try as hard as they can to stretch them in order to get a rise out of police officers. Why not just be compliant and reasonable?

I've been drunk off my ass and had encounters with cops, I don't recall ever being cuffed or punched .. it's about how you handle yourself. Act like a dumbass and get the only thing dumbasses understand in return, force.

[jonwon]

this whole time i thought by riding his "bike" they meant motorcycle lol

[GLOW]

he had a cut lip. saw a pic of him in the province at lunch.

[bballguy]

Originally Posted by GLOW

he had a cut lip. saw a pic of him in the province at lunch.

Oh you saw it at lunch eh? What'd you eat?

[GLOW]

food, was quite filling

[BrRsn]

oh my god, if you google it, they actually wasted the time of EMT's to come and give this waste of life first aid.

There's a pic of him on a air supply, are you fucking kidding me? So not only is this douche wasting the time of cops, but EMT's too? This kind of shit really pisses me off, when people unnecessarily go against the system and act like badasses, when they themselves know they are entirely dependant on it.

[stewie]

Originally Posted by bbbj

The whole I.D. part before the time of handcuffing is irrelevant in relation to why the cop punched him. Not giving I.D is a separate issue from resisting arrest. He had already submitted to being handcuffed so the only part thing that prompted the cop to punch him was the movement of his left arm. Like i said before, if you watch how his arm moves it clearly isnt any attempt to escape from the cuffs at all, just a simple readjustment most likely cause his whole arm was bent in an awkward fashion. And this whole thing about him doing it for youtube is fucking stupid. He clearly stated in the article that his buddy had literally just drove by and parked his car and it was less than 4 seconds from the time buddy whipped out thephone to record and when he got punched.
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go watch all those reality tv cop shows

dont you know...everytime someone tries to fight or run from the cops is right after the first hand is cuffed and before the 2nd cuff goes on