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Have there ever been reports of people being banned permanently for no good reason? The only ones I know of were from people sharing accounts or stealing from the MS store using exploits, doing excessive chargebacks on their credit cards, etc... and fuck those guys
Steam is the same way, PSN probably is too. But let's all get mad at Microsoft because that's the cool thing to do
Have there ever been reports of people being banned permanently for no good reason? The only ones I know of were from people sharing accounts or stealing from the MS store using exploits, doing excessive chargebacks on their credit cards, etc... and fuck those guys
Steam is the same way, PSN probably is too. But let's all get mad at Microsoft because that's the cool thing to do
well, with disc based games, you still get to own the games and start another account.
My Diablo 3 account for banned when I didn't even played for a month for no reason. So much for buying that stupid game.
lol ya pretty pointless post. the first console ever that will ban u from playing the the disc based games u own. yup, pretty sure every gamer feels this is pretty pointless
Have there ever been reports of people being banned permanently for no good reason? The only ones I know of were from people sharing accounts or stealing from the MS store using exploits, doing excessive chargebacks on their credit cards, etc... and fuck those guys
Steam is the same way, PSN probably is too. But let's all get mad at Microsoft because that's the cool thing to do
good job pointing out how pointless "my post" of what Microsoft tweeted
games purchased from Steam are still able to be used to play single player games/unsecured servers. xbox live users who get reported by a bunch of 9 yr olds and get banned won't even be able to play their own game at all. but i guess that's pretty pointless because "let's all defend Microsoft"
If you get banned from steam, you can't play your games
If you get banned from xbox live, you can't play your xbox live games on 360
If you get banned from PSN, you can't play your PSN games on PS3
As for XB1 and PS4, we don't know yet - they haven't said anything about their banning policies.
I know it's the "cool" thing to bash Microsoft for everything these days, but pointing out that tweet is just irrelevant. Especially posting it in the PS4 thread.
And BTW that tweet wasn't even about the Xbox 1, it was referring to 360 accounts. So even more pointless. They haven't even said what their XB1 policy will be.
So yeah keep on with the pointless bashing of every little negative thing you can find, it is so cool!
If you get banned from steam, you can't play your games
If you get banned from xbox live, you can't play your xbox live games on 360
Your account may still be used to play single-player games and multiplayer games on unsecured servers
Your account may still be used to play single-player games or to connect to non-secure game servers and for games played over a LAN. To find non-secure servers, please change your filter settings in the server browser list to show servers which are not VAC-secured (from the Steam main menu go to the View option, select Servers and then select "Not secure" in the Anti-Cheat drop-down).
if u get banned from xbox live u can still play ur disc based games offline
Im pretty sure you can still play single player on the xbox if your banned from xbox live. Xbox live gold (paid subscription) is used for online multiplayer.
If you get banned from xbox live wouldn't it be just as if you never subscribed to xbox live gold in the first place.
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couple days old now and not sure how significant this is but the xbox1 games at e3 werent run on xbox hardware but rather a win7 desktop using nvidia 700 cards
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You know how EA's COO Peter Moore told Geoff Keighley during the post-conference interview at E3 that the games they were showing off on stage were running on comparable dev kit specs to the actual home consoles? Well...that's not really true. What is true, however, is that to get the best performance on home console games, Microsoft made sure that they were running on the most stable system specs available on the market and that happened to be an HP powered, Windows 7 system with Nvidia's 700 series GTX GPU.
For those who are interested enough, definitely read this article. As much of a shit storm as this has become because of Microsoft's PR, the DRM approach behind Xbox One is totally justified, even if it's too complicated at the moment.
Another thing is, while the pricing for the Xbox One at launch is 100 dollars higher than that of the PS4, keep in mind that there's is a reason that they want more integration into TV. Did anyone remember when new Telus subscribers were able to get a free Xbox 360 to use as their set top box? While Sony isn't concentrating on that market anymore, Microsoft is. So don't be surprised a year or two down the road, when all of the IPTV providers are giving away Xbox One and expanding their market share that way.
With that said, it's certainly true that Microsoft really dropped the ball with their PR and Sony had an unbelievable showing at this year's E3. Either way, I'll buy both at some point.
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Get out your salt shakers but an anonymous engineer on the Xbox One team has taken to Pastebin to help clear up a few misunderstandings about Xbox One's DRM. In short, Microsoft wanted to bring the concept of Steam to the Xbox.
The DRM around the Xbox One has certainly caused a bit of controversy since its announcement but if the Pastebin post is to be believed, Microsoft actually has gamers' best interests at heart. The post talks about Steam's beginnings and how many didn't actually like the service at first, adding that it wasn't until Steam started offering insane deals on games that consumers adopted the platform.
Microsoft is apparently trying to bring that same model to the console with the Xbox One that is dramatically different to what the consumer is accustomed too. It's a lofty bet, but one that Microsoft is willing to take to help spur on digital distribution of console games. Posted below is the entire post:
>The thing is we suck at telling the story. The whole point of the DRM switch from disc based to cloud based is to kill disc swapping, scratched discs, bringing discs to friends house, trade-ins for shit value with nothign going back to developers, and high game costs. If you want games cheaper then 59.99, you have to limit used games somehow. Steam's model requires a limited used game model.
>The thing is, the DRM is really really similar to steam... You can login anywhere and play your games, anyone in your house can play with the family xbox. The only diff is steam you have to sign in before playing, and Xbox does it automatically at night for you (once per 24 hours)
>It's a long tail strategy, just like steam. Steam had it's growing pains at the beginning with all it's drm shit as well. [...] For digital downloads steam had no real competition at the time, they were competing against boxed sales. At the time people were pretty irate about steam, (on 4chan too...) It was only once they had a digital marketplace with DRM that was locked down to prevent sharing that they could do super discounted shit.
>Think about it, on steam you get a game for the true cost of the game, 5$-30$. On a console you have to pay for that PLUS any additional licenses for when you sell / trade / borrow / etc. If the developer / publisher can't get it on additional licenses (like steam), then they charge the first person more. [...] If we say "Hey publishers, you limit game to 39.99, we ensure every license transfer you get 10$, gamestop gets 20$" that is a decent model... Microsoft gets a license fee on first and subsequent game purchases, compared to just first now? That's a revenue increase.
>Competition is the best man, it helps drive both to new heights. See technology from the Cold War. If we had no USSR, we'd be way worse off today. TLDR: Bring it on Steam
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>Yeah we passed that around the office at Xbox. Most of us were like "Well played Sony, Well played". That being said they are just riding the hype train of ZOMG THEY ARE TRYING TO FUCK US FOR NO REASON. Without actually thinking about how convienent it would be for the majority of the time to not find that disc your brother didn't put back... [...] just simpleminded people not seeing the bigger picture. Some PS4 viral team made them all "U TOOK R DISCS" and they hiveminded.
>Everyone and their mother complains about how gamestop fucks them on their trade ins, getting 5$ for their used games. We come in trying to find a way to take money out of gamestop, and put some in developers and get you possibly cheaper games and everyone bitches at MS. Well, if you want the @#$@ing from Gamestop, go play PS4.
>The goal is to move to digital downloads, but Gamestop, Walmart, Target, Amazon are KIND OF FUCKING ENTRENCHED in the industry. They have a lot of power, and the shift has to be gradual. Long term goal is steam for consoles. [...] If you always want to stay with what you have, then keep current consoles, or a PS4. We're TRYING to move the industry forwards towards digital distribution... it'sa bumpy road
>Publishers have enourmous power. Microsoft is trying to balance between consumer delight, and publisher wishes. If we cave to far in either direction you have a non-starting product. WiiU goes too far to consumer, you have no 3rd party support to shake a stick at. PS4 is status-quo. XB1 is trying to push some things, at the expense of others. We have a vision, we'll see if it works in the coming years
>Living room transformation. We want to own the living room. Every living room TV with an XBox on input one. It's the thing that gives the signal to your TV, everything is secondary. The future, where games, TV, internet telephony, all that shit happens magically on some huge ass screen with hand / voice gestures... That's our goal.
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>Google TV + PS4 + Minority report level gestures, that combined with a sick second screen experience (which is really hot for TV, I know I know.. tv tv tv tv tv... but it's fucking sick when you have it). Games will be the same, there are more exclusives to MS then PS atm, and Kinect 2 makes Kinect 1 look like a childs toy.
>By default it's on, listening for "Xbox On". You can turn it off tho, and turn the console like OFF off. OFF off is required for Germany / other countries that require it (no vampire appliances) [...] It has to be plugged in for the console to post. You can turn off everything it does from the settings. Think of it like airplane mode for the iPhone. You can't just unplug the cellular radio, but you can turn it off.
>Instead of 10mins, is 24hrs for your console, and 1 or 2 at a friends house. Really the majority of people have a speck of internet at least once a day. And if you don't. Don't buy an Xbox 1. Just like if you didn't have a broadband connection don't get Live, and if you don't have an HDTV the 360 isn't that great for you either. New tech, new req. This allows us to do cool shit when we can assume things like you have a kinect, you have internet, etc.
>Current plan is basically you're fucked after 24 hours. Yeah... I know. Kind of sucks. I believe they will probably revist the time period and / or find a diff way to "call in" to ensure you haven't sold your license to gamestop or something... but there is no plan YET. I'm hoping the change it, but I don't work on that so I don't have much influence there /sigh
>If the power goes out you ain't playing shit. I'm assuming you mean the internet goes out but you have power for TV and Xbox. Yes, You're fucked for single player games. Again, that's the PoR (Plan of record), but I expect it to change after the e3 clusterfuck
>What fee? There is no fee to play your games at your friends house. Never has, never will. Even x360 digital downloads could do that.
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>The cloud capabilities is the shit they like the most. We basically made a huge cloud compute shit and made it free. What people are doing with it is kind of cool. THe original intention was to get all the Multiplayer servers not requiring 3rd party costs (Like EA shutting down game servers to cut costs), as well as taking all the games that servers hosted by the clients (Halo, etc), and have all that compute done in the cloud allowing more CPU cycles for gameplay. That will really expand what developers can do. Anything that doesn't need per frame calculation and can handle 100ms delays can be shifted to the cloud. That's huge.
>SmartGlass + IE is going to be pretty freaking sweet. 1 finger cursor, 2 finger direct manip. Basically if you think of a laptop trackpad where your phone/ slate is the trackpad and the monitor is your TV... it's that. The tech is there, just needs to be applied. There is some really cool shit going on with Petra + controllers that pairs people with controllers. So if person with controller two trades controlers with controller 1, their profiles magically switch. It's sick. What does this matter? Now if you lean left/right it knows which person is leaning, even if 4 people are all int he same room. It's awesome.
>New service using Azure for cloud compute. Allows developers to not use clients for hosting multiplayer servers, or other tasks that do not require per frame calcuations. It's pretty sweet.
>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.
This was all from the Microsoft engineer that was on /b/ last night.
>It's not worth my time to prove it, or risk my Job. I work in Studio A, 40th ave in Redmond, Wa. The thai place in the studio cafeteria has double punch wednesdays. Go ahead and call them and verify if you want.
once when one of the killer games like Halo or Mass Effect,Gears of War releases on the system,i'm pretty sure everybody will be running to purchase a Xbox one for it,
I had all 3 consoles this generation and I vow not to do that again. My 360 collected dust, the wii was pretty much the same, and I used the PS3 the most. It's honestly not really worth having both when there's only a handful of big games you'll miss out on. Posted via RS Mobile
couple days old now and not sure how significant this is but the xbox1 games at e3 werent run on xbox hardware but rather a win7 desktop using nvidia 700 cards
dont' see the big deal.
dev kits are essentially PCs anyways.
even if all 3 consoles are based on AMD hardware these games have probably been in developement for a while so it would make sense to use the fastest GPU available right now to demo it (GTX 780 or Titan)
it's only interesting because it's running win7 instead of win8.
For those who are interested enough, definitely read this article. As much of a shit storm as this has become because of Microsoft's PR, the DRM approach behind Xbox One is totally justified, even if it's too complicated at the moment.
Another thing is, while the pricing for the Xbox One at launch is 100 dollars higher than that of the PS4, keep in mind that there's is a reason that they want more integration into TV. Did anyone remember when new Telus subscribers were able to get a free Xbox 360 to use as their set top box? While Sony isn't concentrating on that market anymore, Microsoft is. So don't be surprised a year or two down the road, when all of the IPTV providers are giving away Xbox One and expanding their market share that way.
With that said, it's certainly true that Microsoft really dropped the ball with their PR and Sony had an unbelievable showing at this year's E3. Either way, I'll buy both at some point.
The way I see it, Microsoft and Sony completely switched roles. Sony got cocky coming off the heels of the PS1 & PS2 and made a PS3 a premium product and a loss leader. They made it an entertainment media hub rather than purely focusing on what it should be, a gaming console. Well they fell flat on their face for the first few years and going into next-gen they aren't gonna make that mistake.
Meanwhile MS didn't have the best start with XBox but built upon the XBL to make the 360 the success that it is...not to mention it sported the cheaper price tag and if you wanted media capabilities (HDDVD drive, bigger HDD) it's extra. It gave consumers a choice like how Sony is making the Eye optional. It's almost like they are trying to attempt what Sony did with the PS3 and make the XB1 an entertainment system rather than just a console because they want to also fight the AppleTV/GoogleTV/HTPC/Rasberry Pi etc.
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I had all 3 consoles this generation and I vow not to do that again. My 360 collected dust, the wii was pretty much the same, and I used the PS3 the most. It's honestly not really worth having both when there's only a handful of big games you'll miss out on. Posted via RS Mobile
In the end, it should come down to what big exclusives you ultimately want to play.
and get a PC for all the multiplats
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For those who are interested enough, definitely read this article. As much of a shit storm as this has become because of Microsoft's PR, the DRM approach behind Xbox One is totally justified, even if it's too complicated at the moment.
Another thing is, while the pricing for the Xbox One at launch is 100 dollars higher than that of the PS4, keep in mind that there's is a reason that they want more integration into TV. Did anyone remember when new Telus subscribers were able to get a free Xbox 360 to use as their set top box? While Sony isn't concentrating on that market anymore, Microsoft is. So don't be surprised a year or two down the road, when all of the IPTV providers are giving away Xbox One and expanding their market share that way.
With that said, it's certainly true that Microsoft really dropped the ball with their PR and Sony had an unbelievable showing at this year's E3. Either way, I'll buy both at some point.
Like I said in a previse post, my Ps4 is on pre order, the Xbox is a “wait and see”.
Too many issues I have with them. Media behind the “gold” account, the PRISM scandal, scary uses for the new Kinect and direct advertising, and just the constant issues Microsoft as a company seems to have with software. This box running on windows 8 scares me.
However if the long term goal from Microsoft is “steam for consoles”, and they manage to pull it off with cheaper games and great sales, I would have a hard time not jumping in. I find it hard to believe that one console could offer digital versions of games at a deep discount without the other doing it too though.
In the end we will have to wait and see. Too much up in the air right now.
Like I said in a previse post, my Ps4 is on pre order, the Xbox is a “wait and see”.
Too many issues I have with them. Media behind the “gold” account, the PRISM scandal, scary uses for the new Kinect and direct advertising, and just the constant issues Microsoft as a company seems to have with software. This box running on windows 8 scares me.
However if the long term goal from Microsoft is “steam for consoles”, and they manage to pull it off with cheaper games and great sales, I would have a hard time not jumping in. I find it hard to believe that one console could offer digital versions of games at a deep discount without the other doing it too though.
In the end we will have to wait and see. Too much up in the air right now.
I REALLY want to play Dead Rising 3 though!
wtf does PRISM have to do with Xbox?
And what "scary new uses for Kinect" are you talking about? It scares you that Kinect is more accurate and can work in small rooms with low lighting?
And what about Windows 8 "scares" you? That it's a modern OS built to be used with modern hardware such as Xbox one?
I totally understand picking one over the other for whatever reasons you want to choose... Gold paywall, higher price, DRM, but your reasons are the most illogical unfounded reasons one could possible come up with
I personally could care less about exclusives as most of the games I play are multi-platform. I only really care about the comfort of the controller and which console most of the people I play online games own.
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