Official XBOX One Thread

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by G-spec

It should be pretty obvious to everyone why they're pushing this always online connectivity bullshit, it's just a massive window into more ad revenue for companies like Microsoft and Sony, they do it under the guise of "it's cool to be connected to everything everyone all teh time" THATS why a lot of people have a PROBLEM with it, it's an insult to your intelligence first of all, and secondly it just doesn't follow the guidelines of common sense that is you own something when you pay for it, it's yours in full...... on the other relevant subject the resale shit, Steam for example, all you're doing is renting basically, you don't even own the shit you buy on Steam and Origin and all these other services, this is the world of gaming now, makes me glad I'm not a gamer anymore. And if you wanna be convinced it's ok because it's the "future" then......

on that subject, this vid cracked me up

The Xbox One Experience (VideoGamer.com) - YouTube

No, it's the future. Do you still buy CD's? Does anyone? Do you buy games on Steam? Guess what, those games and that music all need to be authenticated before you can play them too.

[JesseBlue]

xbox trying to be like the boxee box...hehe...

[G-spec]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

No, it's the future. Do you still buy CD's? Does anyone? Do you buy games on Steam? Guess what, those games and that music all need to be authenticated before you can play them too.

You're insinuating that a majority of people don't have a problem with making purchases like this, because what ? because you're basing this off some numbers you see put out there by companies, Steam coming out saying hey we got a 100 million users or whatever, iTunes sold this many albums this year, etc.... so it's legit to you ?
I have a problem with paying full price for something and not owning it at the end of the day, whether it's a game or a system, I hardly think I'm the odd person out.

Originally Posted by A-Dev

Lol you make it sound like a conspiracy theory.

So what if it's a window for advertising, how is that an insult to our intelligence?
Television has been doing it for decades.

I wasn't theorizing up in here, everyone out there with half a brain knows what's taking place in Silicon Valley with big companies like Microsoft, Google, etc..... as far as information gathering, it's not some conspiracy thread, it's general knowledge already out there for those who want to look at it.
And I used a common example of adverts trying to bring up ties to some of this tracking software being utilized by tech companies, but I didn't really feel like writing a lengthy paragraph on the whole subject, I assumed people would get the point.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by G-spec

You're insinuating that a majority of people don't have a problem with making purchases like this, because what ? because you're basing this off some numbers you see put out there by companies, Steam coming out saying hey we got a 100 million users or whatever, iTunes sold this many albums this year, etc.... so it's legit to you ?
I have a problem with paying full price for something and not owning it at the end of the day, whether it's a game or a system, I hardly think I'm the odd person out.

The numbers they give ARE "legit to me". Your personal anecdotes are NOT. One refers to actual real results and numbers, the other refers to your personal opinion. Maybe you are the "odd man out" maybe you're not. What you have to do is look at the actual numbers. Don't ignore them just because you don't personally agree with millions of others.

[G-spec]

that's fine, but there's not one single, solid common sense of a reason that you or anyone else can come up with to convince me of why I should pay to basically rent something and have it held in cyber space or some "magical" cloud.

I mean for real.... a company telling you something is obsolete because it really is, or because they really have the most to benefit from fooling you into thinking it is

[SkinnyPupp]

I am trying to think of the last PC game I bought that was on a physical disk... Crysis maybe?

And I know the last music CD I bought was the latest Guns N Roses album, and even that was more for nostalgia than anything.

I do find it more convenient to have everything there for me when I need to move it across different platforms. If I buy a game on Steam, it's there for me, no matter what computer I'm on. I have been traveling in the last 2 months on a laptop.. I couldn't possibly bring all my games with me, especially since most of them would be unplayable on it. But I did install Steam on it, and can play less intensive games that I bought. I was really hooked on FTL for a while there.

And music, no matter where you buy it, it's nice to be able to grab it whenever you need it. It would be even better to be in the states, where you can subscribe to streaming services. Don't even need to buy music, just stream it based on preferences.

When I did buy music, DVDs and PC games on disc, I NEVER sold them. So now I have this huge collection of discs, some are basically archives of what I have.. I guess I could sell them for $2 or $3 a pop but why bother?

So yes, I think it IS obsolete to deal with physical media. Not because a company told me, but because it makes media consumption better.

I find that for most people who are complaining about this stuff, it all boils down to one thing - they want to be able to pirate their shit.

[SkinnyPupp]

I wrote an opinion piece on the promised features of the new consoles

Xbox One and Playstation 4: Which Promises Will be Broken?

[G-spec]

Yea I easily see your point about convenience aspect of it, I myself would rather have an external hard drive hooked up to my PC with all my media on it as opposed to a collection of DVD's and Games, etc... now. But just a few years ago I would have thought a shelf of a bunch of cool media was just way cooler, I still do, but it is just more useful storing it.... I'm in the middle somewhere personally, not buying fully what the companies are selling but I'm not in the past with both feet either

Bu the other thing that's freaky too is the Kinect having to be connected at all times, there was some talk of that too, like how fcked up is having a camera pointed at you at all times 24/7.... most likely that shit will not fly, as that's going too far, but what's even more fcked up is that these companies would actually love to be able to do that, they would love to have a camera pointed at you in that manner.
So that's the type of trend they're putting forth these days and it's exactly why I am out and so are many others.

[Razor Ramon HG]

Since we're on the topic, I'm just going to say something that's probably ignorant.

I honestly don't get why people have HTPCs.. Most people have laptops nowadays. Just hook that shit up to your television and save some cash.

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

And music, no matter where you buy it, it's nice to be able to grab it whenever you need it. It would be even better to be in the states, where you can subscribe to streaming services. Don't even need to buy music, just stream it based on preferences.

Korea has this service by Melon where you can pay $4 a month for unlimited streaming and music videos via PC and mobile platforms. It has both domestic Korean and international songs. It works well here because almost everyone has an unlimited data plan on their smartphones.

Meanwhile in the States, you have Google All Access. Pretty much the same concept as far as I know, but much more expensive ($10) and data plans are capped. I'm waiting to see if Apple will release their own version as iTunes is a much better platform than both of the aforementioned.

[.Renn.Sport]

Originally Posted by Razor Ramon HG

Since we're on the topic, I'm just going to say something that's probably ignorant.

I honestly don't get why people have HTPCs.. Most people have laptops nowadays. Just hook that shit up to your television and save some cash.

Because people don't wanna hook that shit up every single time to watch something.

btw, I just use my Apple TV and Airplay stuff off video streaming apps or Plex with any of my iOS devices. Not to mention my friends can watch whatever they want on any of my tv just using their iphone since I got an Apple TV connected to almost every tv in the house.


I also don't really care if the system has to be online. None of my consoles has been "offline" since I got the xbox 360 in 2005. What I really like about the new XBOX is that all games will be tied to my Xbox live account. Now I could have multiple xbox with my library of games in different places and pick up and play the game exactly where I left off with cloud saves. Its just a pity now that the disc I buy will never be used after the initial install and authentication.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by G-spec

that's fine, but there's not one single, solid common sense of a reason that you or anyone else can come up with to convince me of why I should pay to basically rent something and have it held in cyber space or some "magical" cloud.

I mean for real.... a company telling you something is obsolete because it really is, or because they really have the most to benefit from fooling you into thinking it is

So you like to own a hard copy of games, then let me ask you this, do you own a smart phone? Do you not use apps/games that you download onto your smart and use? Do you actually have a hard copy of all the apps/games you have on your smart phone?

Simply put every app you have on your smart phone is store on some cyper 'cloud' . If you dislike the system don't use a smart phone.

[twitchyzero]

I built an HTPC few years back but these days media streamers are capable enough to replace them. I agree hooking up a laptop each time seems like a hassle.

If people are concerned about their privacy and Kinect on 24/7...why not just turn off your XBOX when you aren't using it?

I get the argument of why someone would want physical media over digital download and see it as actual ownership of a product...and you can have 'smaller' companies like Ubisoft's uPlay going bankrupt and then their servers going offline = losing your game collection...but it's not really a concern for Steam or even Origin. Regardless, digital download is the future and those buying PC physical formats are definitely in the minority.

[G-spec]

Happy what are you talking about ? we have absolutely no choice when it comes to smart phones in regards to what they offer... the app thing you bring up, that's even a worse analogy than the guy last page about Television commercials


I don't think I'm making myself clear, I don't have a problem with always online on consoles for the basics like updates and things of that nature... but when it turns to invasion of privacy type of issues, that's what me and most other people have issues with.

[SkinnyPupp]

Your phone invades your privacy WAY more than Xbox One ever will. Not only is it reading everything you do, including your emails, it knows where you go every day.

I don't really get the paranoia people have said they had with kinect always being on. It's not like MS will be using it to spy on people. These same people complianing probably use gmail or hotmail and smartphones with apps which really ARE 'spying' on them in certain ways. And complaining of it on Facebook is the most hilarious thing of al!

[G-spec]

^ oh I know, read about all that tracking mess that Apple had not too long ago, and I shit my pants the first time I switched to Android and downloaded an app then the popup came up saying exactly what that app was asking permissions for.... like the ability to look through my contact lists, browsing history, texts, etc.....
then I had it rooted and got a firewall up there and all that....

I understand it's a no win for the consumer at the end of the day, we buy their products we are gonna end up using it the way they want us to use it one way or another eventually.

[JesseBlue]

Originally Posted by Razor Ramon HG

Since we're on the topic, I'm just going to say something that's probably ignorant.

I honestly don't get why people have HTPCs.. Most people have laptops nowadays. Just hook that shit up to your television and save some cash.

i have a boxee box and no laptop...it cost around 200 bux and is always connected to my tv...cheaper than a laptop...better GUI...

[A-Dev]

regarding privacy on smartphones, consoles, programs, apps, etc. Isn't that the reason they created privacy policies? Not that anyone reads them but they will have all the information in there regarding what they will and will not do with your information.

If that policy is broken in anyway that's where legal action comes into play.

If you read the privacy policy and you don't agree with how they will use your information the simple solution would be to not use/download said product.

Edit:

Regarding the Kinect being on all the time, I have not seen any information showing that the camera is active when the console is turned off. For all we know it's just the microphone array waiting for the "xbox on" command which in turn then activates the camera/console to discover and identify the user.

Having the Kinect camera up and running 24/7 would be extremely inefficient don't you think.

then again I could be very wrong

[jaguar604]

TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One, RUMOR: downclocking GPU - NeoGAF

I have just read some of the information on this neograf forum and it sounds like MS got trolled by Sony big time.

Back in January, Sony announced to 3rd party developers that the PS4 would have 4GB of RAM, which sounded awesome for MS because they planned to have 4GB of RAM as well in the Xbox One. February comes around and Sony announces the PS4 will have 8GB DDR5 RAM which causes MS to lose their shit and panic, delaying the reveal to May because they have to update the specs.

Now the rumour is, because it was revealed that the Xbox One only has 8GB DDR3 ram that they have been forced to incorporate eSRAM on the CPU/GPU to match the PS4. Apparently MS is having huge reliability issues manufacturing these chips because of how complex they are, forcing them to downgrade the clock speed and ultimately making the Xbox One the inferior console.

[ScizzMoney]

^
You probably also believe Square-Enix shortened FF13 because it wanted to make it for Xbox too.

[SkinnyPupp]

Uh oh Neo GAF says it's a "TRUTHFACT" so it must be true!

[SkinnyPupp]

Just to throw some logic into the fanboy fire that is bound to ignite:

Using side loaded RAM direct to the GPU is nothing new. When the system ram is normally slow, it's the best solution in terms of cost without trading away too much in performance. You'll see when you find out how much the PS4 costs

Intel does it with their high end Haswell CPUs now too... Not the desktop kind, but the laptop or all-in-one desktops.

And BTW the reason Sony told developers they would be using 4GB wasn't to "troll" Microsoft - that was the plan. GDDR5 is really expensive, and 8GB would have been prohibitively expensive (the console would probably cost over $1000 USD each). However a recent die shrink made it possible to use 8GB at a 'reasonable' cost (we'll find out what that is when they announce the price).

So Sony isn't "trolling" Microsoft by originally using 4GB. They had no choice based on the type of ram they chose - they just fluked out when the price went down right before they started manufacturing consoles.

Also Durango has always had 8GB in its design. It wasn't in reaction to Sony, and they didn't delay any announcement. It was going to be Sony with 4GB of fast ram, and MS with 8GB of slow ram with 32MB SRAM cache to mitigate the slowness. Like I said, Sony got lucky and ended up being able to match Microsoft's 8GB system ram. However it all comes down to price for a lot of people, and we still have to wait for that to be announced. Don't expect that to happen at E3 though

And yes, the PS4 will have better graphics capability than the Xbox One. What does that mean for the actual games? We don't know, and there is no telling yet. The most likely scenario is that multi platform games will be developed to the lowest common denominator, and maybe have some extra non-gameplay changing eye candy for the PS4 version. things like slightly better textures or better AA. But it's not like it will run at a higher res, or a higher framerate. Framerates will be locked at 30 or 60 (most likely 30) on both consoles. I doubt there will ever be a situation where one is 30 and the other is 60, although it is possible that one will have tearing issues while the other does not (and btw this could actually be the faster console with these problems)

First party titles on the other hand, will be able to really push the console to the limits, and this is where the PS4 will be able to flex its muscle.

[mr_chin]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

that's what i do...if i see a patch >30mb hit cancel
then again i do see see his point...it'll take like a good few minutes from the time you boot up the PS3 until you are in-game GT5 racing.

What???

I turned on my PS3 today after 3 months to play RE: Revelations and there was an update that is 90mb. Took 4 minutes to download and about a minute to install.

Then there was a 30 mb update for the actual game that took 30 seconds to download AND install.

Pro tip: Wire connect your ps3.

Anyways, if PS4 really has shared features where you can record your game play and share it... XBox is done.

[TOPEC]

Originally Posted by Razor Ramon HG

Since we're on the topic, I'm just going to say something that's probably ignorant.

I honestly don't get why people have HTPCs.. Most people have laptops nowadays. Just hook that shit up to your television and save some cash

if u hook ur laptop up to the tv, it kinda defeats the portability of a laptop since itll be wired to the tv, which means most likely desk bound, so u wont be able to sit back on a couch, play movies from ur laptop and use ur laptop at the same time.

first world problems i know

[A-Dev]

Originally Posted by mr_chin

Anyways, if PS4 really has shared features where you can record your game play and share it... XBox is done.

FYI: Xbox has this feature as well.

[SkinnyPupp]

MS has cleared up some of their policies:

-There is no fee to sell a game, unless a publisher specifically creates one. They cal also prevent games from being sold or traded at all.
-One account's library can be used by op to 10 "family members". Not sure how they are determining this
-No more renting games on disc
-Console must connect at least once a day to be able to play games (this is probably the smallest issue)

NOTE: Don't assume that Sony's lack of announcements of similar policies means that they won't be doing the same or worse. This is the direction media is going. In fact PC has been this way for a long time... Most people use Steam, which does not let you give your games to people, or even sell them or trade them in, and you can't rent games either.

I personally see no reason to get an Xbox One or PS4 instead of a good PC though. Unless you REALLY like the exclusives they have to offer.