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Without intervention Syria will be a never ending civil war, Assad will never step down, he has made that quite clear.
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According to research by Reuters, Sunni Muslims make up 74 percent of Syria's 22 million population, Alawites 12 percent, Christians 10 percent and Druze 3 percent. However, many in the highest levels of government and military are Alawites, with Sunni Muslims in civilian work or lower military ranks. Although the Alawites make up only 12% of the population, they control an outsized amount of power in the country both in the economy and the military. Alawites are a minority sect of Islam that broke off from Shia Islam 1000 years ago. Their beliefs include the notion that there are many manifestations of God, including Jesus, Mohammed, Socrates, and some ancient Persian sages. The tension between Alawites and Sunni Muslims according to Reuters stems fromt that fact that, "to orthodox Muslims, this eclectic synthesis of Christian, Gnostic, Neoplatonic and Zoroastrian thought violates Islam's key tenet that "there is no God but God."
So you have 12% of the population getting "preferential" treatment, and 74% being treated like second rate citizens - or worse.
If Assad was even willing to consider doing "the right thing", he would start talking with the UN and working towards a resolution aka democratic election.
I feel for the people who just want to live a normal life, not worry about their kids being shot in the street or killed by a random bomb blast etc.. consider the rebels are just normal people, so sick of the status of the nation that they are willing to give up their lives in the interest of improving the country.
I hope the US brings the pain so Syria can get out of limbo and start working towards a functional society.
I 'Murica, so long as they keep the Christians under control.
#&$^%#^ religion...
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with intervention their will be a never ending civil war anyways, look at iraq and afghanistan
people who advocate military action are thinking in the short term. nation building is one of the most difficult things in the universe, and the US doesn't exactly have a good track record with it.
what's the strategy for the long term? elections? what will you do with the syrian military? what happens to the rebels who probably committed atrocities in the same vein as the gov't? how will russia and china respond?
beginning of rant;
You see when I was in high school I knew someone that was accepted into Harvard because she was very smart. If you can imagine, smart people from north America (a population of over 300 million) are generally transported to Harvard where they become even smarter!
The U.S. government, what I like to call the ZioAmerican empire, selects the cream of the crop of these students and hires them to work in what is called "think tanks". They sit around and combine their brain power for various needs of the government.
What are think tanks exactly?
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Over the past half-century, think tanks have become fixtures of American politics, supplying advice to presidents and policymakers, expert testimony on Capitol Hill, and convenient facts and figures to journalists and media specialists. But what are think tanks? Who funds them? What kind of "research" do they produce? Where does their authority come from? And how did they become influential?
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I think you have been greatly mislead into thinking that this rebellion is an internal issue but actually 80-90% of these rebels are none Syrians.
So when you say something to this effect.
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I feel for the people who just want to live a normal life, not worry about their kids being shot in the street or killed by a random bomb blast etc.. consider the rebels are just normal people, so sick of the status of the nation that they are willing to give up their lives in the interest of improving the country.
I hope the US brings the pain so Syria can get out of limbo and start working towards a functional society.
And obviously cant answer what percentage of the rebels are Syrian, Im interested in knowing what news outlets, via think tanks, are misleading you.
Yet more confirmation that the Syrian conflict is an external invasion of the country and not a civil war.
It’s been widely reported that some of the countries supplying funding, weapons, and apparently troops, are Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey. Note, all these countries have British controlled governments.
Syrian Support Group Inc. (SSG) Director Of Government Relations (ie, terrorism lobbyist) Brian Sayers admitted in his BBC interview that their group is supplying NATO’s Free Syrian Army (FSA) terrorists with money and weapons, and that they would like to be the “single source” conduit for all support (ie, so they can direct arms elsewhere to spread the conflict, and take some money off the top for themselves). Sayers even mentions Qatar and Saudi Arabia as funding the rebels, so this is no secret.
I would second the notion given by Daoud Khairallah in the video below… this is economic warfare.
2012.10.2 95% Of Syrian Rebels Not Syrians, Report (RT, youtube.com):
There are a lot of non syrians in the rebel forces. But as far as intervention, who the hell gives the right for any nation to break up a civil war. Let them sort it out. I'm a huge fan of the prime directive.
Isn't it funny, that Chuckles would be the first in line to throw spitwads at cops, border guards, etc. for engaging in "racial profiling" based on appearances, but he's more than happy to accept it when it supports his own, like in that picture?
I'm amazed at how one can identify a Chechen by his beard, a Libyan by his hat, and an African by... WTF, "African" isn't a nationality; Africa is a fucking CONTINENT. Egyptians and Libyans are both also Africans, fucktard.
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@Soundy
The "Syrian" rebel army graphic is meant to conveys the real situation on the ground aside from the obvious Chechen and yes African (was the person supposed to choose a random black African country like Sawazeele land?), no doubt you are blinded by that because youve been such an Isreali apologist in the Zionist thread.
@rsx do you believe the majority of the rebels are Syrian to call it a civil war? Cite your sources, I doubt even the ZioAmerican news presses even address the obvious foreign numbers in the country.
@Anjew every other news source, except for PressTV has lied about slaughter of 3000 people in the World Trade Centers. Unless you believe the Al qaeda fairytale and are supporting, bringing them to power in Syria? Is that what you want to do, give them a country?
@Soundy
The "Syrian" rebel army graphic is meant to conveys the real situation on the ground aside from the obvious Chechen and yes African (was the person supposed to choose a random black African country like Sawazeele land?),
As opposed to Egypt and Libya?
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Not a sebberry post goes by where I don't frown and think to myself "so..?"
What does it matter. Your tax money is funding the empire that is responsible for gassing women and children, you sound like you're defending that.
Dirt poor Arabs from around the planet are flooding Syria and risking their lives for money, not to free Syrian people as their standard of living is probably 5 times better then the way we currently treat the first nations of this land.
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The Libyan people even lived better then you!
beginning of rant;
You see when I was in high school I knew someone that was accepted into Harvard because she was very smart. If you can imagine, smart people from north America (a population of over 300 million) are generally transported to Harvard where they become even smarter!
The U.S. government, what I like to call the ZioAmerican empire, selects the cream of the crop of these students and hires them to work in what is called "think tanks". They sit around and combine their brain power for various needs of the government.
What are think tanks exactly?
/end of rant
I think you have been greatly mislead into thinking that this rebellion is an internal issue but actually 80-90% of these rebels are none Syrians.
So when you say something to this effect.
And obviously cant answer what percentage of the rebels are Syrian, Im interested in knowing what news outlets, via think tanks, are misleading you.
Okay, I'm confused now. Serious question: Do you support the rebels or the government? Seems to me that if the majority of rebels are non-Syrian, what makes their attack more "correct" than, say, America swooping in with their rockets and stealth bombers?
Not that I would agree with the USA entering yet another war, mind you.
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@Anjew every other news source, except for PressTV has lied about slaughter of 3000 people in the World Trade Centers. Unless you believe the Al qaeda fairytale and are supporting, bringing them to power in Syria? Is that what you want to do, give them a country?
i just said they were biased and because of that you accuse me of supporting al qaeda's views?
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just a note about CICs post about foreign fighters those same details was just reported on CBC news, the photos are a part of a Channel4 documentary and apparently there are a lot of Canadians joined with extremist rebels
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beginning of rant;
You see when I was in high school I knew someone that was accepted into Harvard because she was very smart. If you can imagine, smart people from north America (a population of over 300 million) are generally transported to Harvard where they become even smarter!
The U.S. government, what I like to call the ZioAmerican empire, selects the cream of the crop of these students and hires them to work in what is called "think tanks". They sit around and combine their brain power for various needs of the government.
What are think tanks exactly?
/end of rant
I think you have been greatly mislead into thinking that this rebellion is an internal issue but actually 80-90% of these rebels are none Syrians.
So when you say something to this effect.
And obviously cant answer what percentage of the rebels are Syrian, Im interested in knowing what news outlets, via think tanks, are misleading you.
Syria conflict attracts Canadians to fight on front line
Estimates of Canadian jihadi fighters in Syria range from a few dozen to as many as 100
The mother of a young Canadian man currently in Syria has been asking for months how and why her son ended up there among a group of extremist fighters.
"How do you sit there and admit to somebody, my son has gone off to fight in a war where I don't know if he's a terrorist or not?" the mother said to CBC's Adrienne Arsenault.
"Are you going to openly admit that? Probably not. ‘Cause the first thing a mother says is, 'What did I do wrong? How could this be my son? What did I do?"
As she worries about her son, the mother is too scared to reveal her identity.
The situation in Syria threatens to escalate, as a panel of U.S. senators on Wednesday voted to give President Barack Obama the authority to use military action against the Syrian government after the White House said the regime carried out a chemical weapons attack.
Neil Macdonald: Obama’s indecision on Syria strains U.S. credibility
Nahlah Ayed: Syria's been expecting U.S. attack for years
Why there are no good options and so many 'known unknowns' in Syria's civil war
Estimates vary as to how many Canadians are jihadi fighters in Syria. Government estimates and others who track jihadi fighters put the figure at a range of a few dozen to as many as 100 fighting in Syria against the government, a figure that should cause alarm, given that the public number of Americans fighting there is much smaller, meaning Canada may be overrepresented.
"When you look at it in context, it is certainly disproportionate," said John Amble, who researches regional militant Islamic groups.
"The community of which foreign fighters tend to originate is also much smaller in Canada, there are just fewer Muslims," he said.
A Canadian named Abu Muslim was part of a raid on a Syrian airport a few weeks ago, said Bilal Abdul Kareen, an American filmmaker who has lived among an Islamist group for a year.
"He was a part of that process," Kareen said.
A social media report from a jihadi group claims a Canadian was killed in the airport raid, but CBC could not confirm that or track down Abu Muslim's family.
Speaking from Aleppo province, Kareen said he has encountered 20 to 30 Canadians.
CBC News has anecdotal evidence of at least three Canadian deaths in Syria, but the Department of Foreign Affairs has not answered requests for official numbers.
Linked up with extremist group
The young man whose mother spoke with Arsenault had a hard time during his teenage years. There was a suicide attempt, a bipolar diagnosis, isolation, but then apparent salvation. He converted to Islam and calmed down.
"He had found somewhere where he belonged," she said.
But happiness was fleeting. Just before he turned 20, he moved into a boarding house and became secretive, angry and political.
He eventually told his mother he was leaving the country to go to Egypt to study to become an imam.
In November, he left, but didn't go to Egypt. Instead, he went to Istanbul and then Syria, where he joined up with an extremist group.
His mother would get an occasional text, but as the fighting in Syria worsened, his contact became limited and his anger grew.
"When I last talked to him he was so cold, his biggest thing was, 'Canadians are scum, we're all sinners, we're evil, we don't deserve to be on this Earth.' Where did he get that from?" asked the mother.
"Where do you get that from? My son wasn't like that. My son is gone."
CSIS, which had been tracking the young man, and others like him, has no new information on him, she said.
as mentioned its not the exact story I saw this morning at the gym as this one speaks specifically about canadians but maybe its in the video (thats in the link)
Syria rebels linked to al-Qaeda target Christian village
Syria's civil war expected to be discussed at G20 summit in Russia today
Syrian government troops battled al-Qaeda-linked rebels over a regime-held Christian village in western Syria for the second day Thursday, as world leaders gathered in Russia for an economic summit expected to be overshadowed by the prospect of U.S.-led strikes against the Damascus regime.
Residents of Maaloula said the militants entered the village late Wednesday. Rami Abdul-Rahman, director of the Britain-based Observatory for Human Rights, alleged the fighters included members of the al-Qaeda-affiliated Jabhat al-Nusra group.
Neil Macdonald: Obama’s indecision on Syria strains U.S. credibility
Despite heavy army presence in the village, Abdul-Rahman said the rebels patrolled its streets on foot and in vehicles, briefly surrounding a church and a mosque before leaving early Thursday.
(more to the story in the link copying and pasting got annoying)
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