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According to my news sources Syria has not said anything close to agreeing to hand over their chemical weapons. They barely admit to having them even though the whole world knows they do.
Kerry didn't agree either, he said they might avoid an attack by putting their chemical weapons under international control and later having them destroyed.
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VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) – Syria has accepted a Russian proposal to give up its chemical weapons to the international community in an attempt to avoid a military strike from the United States.
Syria’s foreign minister announced the decision today after meeting with the speaker of Russia’s parliament.
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he doesn't really say much, most of which people know, Russia and China are headed(are there) to be world superpowers (stomping the west) and the fight for resources/allies is going on in Africa/Mid East
All he really adds are those bankers that he claims are pulling Obamas puppet strings and well we all know there are bankers behind presidents trying to pull strings but is he right about which bankers in particular? who knows who cares? as mentioned its expected that there will be wealthy/powerful people/corporations trying to get what they want out of policy makers
Obama has put off the US senate vote too but CNN is saying it's not because of this news but rather Obama didn't have the votes anyways
I can't find it at the moment, but BBC had a pretty good graph showing all the different members who were either for or against it, along with those who were likely to vote in either direction. It may not have been entirely accurate but it definitely painted a picture showing that maybe only 1/3 of the senate would have been for a "limited" attack, while the other 2/3's were against it.
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^^ yeah i saw something similar, I'm quite surprised though I thought it was going to end up a media hype as the senate not wanting to vote Obamas way but in the end the vote would turn out overwhelmingly in Obamas favour
This has about as much to do with the people of Syria as it was the people of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Syria sits next to Israel. So therefore, they would want a government that is either friendly to their interests(preferred) or too busy/bloody to care. A good insurrection does keep them focused on the home front.
Russia lacks allies in the region. Syria happens to be one of them. Therefore, Russia will support Syria to a) keep an ally and b) that ally is making things bad for a competitor-Russia.
Of course, there are oil politics involved. There is a matter of a competing pipelines to think about involving different countries within the region.
In fact, several Arab countries are willing to pay for the US to overthrow the Syrian government.
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Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., asked for an estimated amount the Arabs might contribute. Kerry replied that they offered to pay for a full invasion.
“In fact, some of them have said that if the United States is prepared to go do the whole thing the way we’ve done it previously in other places, they’ll carry that cost,” Kerry said. “That’s how dedicated they are at this. That’s not in the cards, and nobody’s talking about it, but they’re talking in serious ways about getting this done.”
So you tell me, does that sound at all like a war about saving the kittens? Nope.
That to me is "get rid of someone not playing ball like you have done so many times before. And! As an added bonus, seeing as the new Iraq isn't paying off yet-we'll fund it."
So why won't congress sign off on this? Because no one wants to actually be the guy that says yes to sending more troops to some middle eastern country to make yet another mess that is going to blow up in their faces in 20 years.
This has about as much to do with the people of Syria as it was the people of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Syria sits next to Israel.
If anything, this shows that the Syrian people, or people in Syria for that matter, can't live peacefully without lobbing exploding things at each other. If they can't start acting like adults, it's time for someone to step in and quiet the children.
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If anything, this shows that the Syrian people, or people in Syria for that matter, can't live peacefully without lobbing exploding things at each other. If they can't start acting like adults, it's time for someone to step in and quiet the children.
except its the outsiders that are instigating the fighting like saudi arabia
So to just get this straight, the US will not bomb Syria as Obama wants congress to hold off voting until Syria gives up their chemical weapons to be destroyed?
And if Syria gives up their chemical weapons there will be no attack?
On another note, I found it interesting how he concluded his speech with, "God bless you and God bless the United States of America".
I'm sorry, but you don't put out an invitation if you don't want people to come to the party.
Obama said publicly that Syria using chemical weapons would change the way that they viewed the situation in Syria in regards to intervention.
Well no shit Syria used chemical weapons. And no shit Russia brokers a truce that asks them to give them up. Killing 1000 people, sadly, is not a big thing to accomplish for a government. Even easier if its people you don't like.
It embarasses the Americans. What can they do now? Sit there and say, "well shit yeah...I guess we'll wait, and see...but if you screw up again, why I'll such and such and so and so."
A Plea for Caution From Russia What Putin Has to Say to Americans About Syria
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MOSCOW — RECENT events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.
Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.
The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.
No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.
So to just get this straight, the US will not bomb Syria as Obama wants congress to hold off voting until Syria gives up their chemical weapons to be destroyed?
And if Syria gives up their chemical weapons there will be no attack?
On another note, I found it interesting how he concluded his speech with, "God bless you and God bless the United States of America".
That whole fucking speech was creepy... The way it was so rehearsed to get the public on their side to support war.. showing all these pictures of people, etc...
Yet they bomb innocent people and children every day with drones...
U.S. 'backed plan to launch chemical weapon attack on Syria and blame it on Assad's regime'
Leaked emails from defense contractor refers to chemical weapons saying 'the idea is approved by Washington'
Obama issued warning to Syrian president Bashar al-Assad last month that use of chemical warfare was 'totally unacceptable'
By Louise Boyle
PUBLISHED: 14:16 EST, 29 January 2013 | UPDATED: 14:16 EST, 29 January 2013
Leaked emails have allegedly proved that the White House gave the green light to a chemical weapons attack in Syria that could be blamed on Assad's regime and in turn, spur international military action in the devastated country.
A report released on Monday contains an email exchange between two senior officials at British-based contractor Britam Defence where a scheme 'approved by Washington' is outlined explaining that Qatar would fund rebel forces in Syria to use chemical weapons.
Barack Obama made it clear to Syrian president Bashar al-Assad last month that the U.S. would not tolerate Syria using chemical weapons against its own people.
According to Infowars.com, the December 25 email was sent from Britam's Business Development Director David Goulding to company founder Philip Doughty.
It reads: 'Phil... We’ve got a new offer. It’s about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.
'We’ll have to deliver a CW to Homs, a Soviet origin g-shell from Libya similar to those that Assad should have.
'They want us to deploy our Ukrainian personnel that should speak Russian and make a video record.
'Frankly, I don’t think it’s a good idea but the sums proposed are enormous. Your opinion?
'Kind regards, David.'
Britam Defence had not yet returned a request for comment to MailOnline.
The emails were released by a Malaysian hacker who also obtained senior executives resumés and copies of passports via an unprotected company server, according to Cyber War News.
Dave Goulding's Linkedin profile lists him as Business Development Director at Britam Defence Ltd in Security and Investigations. A business networking profile for Phil Doughty lists him as Chief Operationg Officer for Britam, United Arab Emirates, Security and Investigations.
The U.S. State Department had not returned a request for comment on the alleged emails to MailOnline today at time of publication.
However the use of chemical warfare was raised at a press briefing in D.C. on January 28.
A spokesman said that the U.S. joined the international community in 'setting common redlines about the consequences of using chemical weapons'.
A leaked U.S. government cable revealed that the Syrian army more than likely had used chemical weapons during an attack in the city of Homs in December.
The document, revealed in The Cable, revealed the findings of an investigation by Scott Frederic Kilner, the U.S. consul general in Istanbul, into accusations that the Syrian army used chemical weapons in the December 23 attack.
An Obama administration official who had access to the document was reported as saying: 'We can't definitely say 100 per cent, but Syrian contacts made a compelling case that Agent 15 was used in Homs on Dec. 23.'
Mr Kilner's investigation included interviews with civilians, doctors, and rebels present during the attack, as well as the former general and head of the Syrian WMD program, Mustafa al-Sheikh.
Dr. Nashwan Abu Abdo, a neurologist in Homs, is certain chemical weapons were used. He told The Cable: 'It was a chemical weapon, we are sure of that, because tear gas can't cause the death of people.'
Eye witness accounts from the investigation revealed that a tank launched chemical weapons and caused people exposed to them to suffer nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, delirium, seizures, and respiratory distress.
The symptoms suggest that the weaponized compound Agent-15 was responsible. Syria denied using chemical weapons and said it would never use them against citizens.
Speaking to Pentagon reporters at the time, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said his biggest concern was how the U.S. and allies would secure the chemical and biological weapons sites scattered across Syria and ensure the components don't end up in the wrong hands if the regime falls, particularly under violent conditions.
Government forces and rebels in Syria have both been accused by human rights groups of carrying out brutal warfare in the 22-month-old conflict, which has claimed more than 60,000 lives.
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